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[bros402]

1 hour ago, TWP said:

I'm pretty sure the audience for cop shows is going to be at least a little bit pro-cop and isn't going to enjoy the anti-cop stories that Hawley appears to be planning.  They won't stay for more than an episode. Maybe the story lines will bring in viewers who don't normally watch cop shows?  But why would they watch either if this isn't their genre.  Maybe I'm naïve and really don't understand the market for cop-hating cop shows.  Maybe it's huge? It seems a little too ironic by half.  Realistically, I think The Rookie is gone after this season.  I always thought Fillion was stupid to take a cop show because it might remind people of the Castle angst.  Now I KNOW he was, but because the writers completely don't understand their audience.  But that's normal for Hawley, given that he used to call Castle viewers names if they complained about the story lines.

I'm anti-cop and I enjoy the show, mostly because Fillion is enjoyable. Hopefully he gets a better show next season when this is cancelled.

Maybe he'll get a role on season 3 of Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist (Hopefully it does well this season and gets renewed) 😄

[chaifan]

On 1/3/2021 at 12:14 AM, TWP said:

I'm pretty sure the audience for cop shows is going to be at least a little bit pro-cop and isn't going to enjoy the anti-cop stories that Hawley appears to be planning.  They won't stay for more than an episode. Maybe the story lines will bring in viewers who don't normally watch cop shows?  But why would they watch either if this isn't their genre.  Maybe I'm naïve and really don't understand the market for cop-hating cop shows.  Maybe it's huge? It seems a little too ironic by half.  Realistically, I think The Rookie is gone after this season.  I always thought Fillion was stupid to take a cop show because it might remind people of the Castle angst.  Now I KNOW he was, but because the writers completely don't understand their audience.  But that's normal for Hawley, given that he used to call Castle viewers names if they complained about the story lines.

I don't know why you automatically assume that incorporating realistic story lines about racism will be "anti-cop" or turn this into a "cop hating" show. 

Here's a summary of Hawley's season 3 plans, from the article:  "producers insist it will still be the levity-filled drama about a middle-aged man starting a career as a beat cop.  But it also addresses racism on the force, the over-policing of Black communities, the question of alternative solutions to traditional law enforcement and, just as importantly to Marston, lots of small things procedurals tend to overlook."  Thats not anti-cop, it's anti racism.  Was Armstrong's plot line about being a dirty cop "anti-cop"?  No, it's anti-dirty cop. 

How you get "anti-cop" and "cop hating" out of that description is a mystery to me. 

[WendyCR72]

Things are getting perilously close to politics. As you are all aware, that is not allowed. Please keep the "pro/anti-cop" sentiments to what airs on this show only, which means commenting on episode content, not real-life/outside attitudes. Thank you.

[femmefan1946]

Do Americans do "sentencing circles"? This is a big thing with aboriginal Canadians who run afoul of the law. Basically the community (or just the elders, who are not necessarily old) sit the perpetrator down and discuss what he did wrong, why it was wrong, and how he plans to make it right.

It's been happening for a long time. One of my many BILs was a judge in the NorthWestTerritories when it was still plural, and he incorporated circles into his judgements and sentencing, which could range from community service to flying South to the penitentiary. The sort of thing that Nolan would love.

[femmefan1946]

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Spoiler

 

I've been a Browncoat for many years and here is  a crossover between The Rookie and Serenity (or as we in the fandom call it, the Big Damn Movie).
This is what happens when River is triggered by a commercial for cookies.

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by femmefan1946
won't take

[Netfoot]

14 hours ago, femmefan1946 said:

This is what happens when River is triggered by a commercial for cookies.

Summer Glau is awesome, as are all the cast of your "Big Damn Movie", as is the movie itself. 

Funny how well The Rookie theme fits those sequences.

Maybe Glau can do a cameo role? On The Rookie, I mean.

Edited January 20, 2021 by Netfoot

[paigow]

On 1/7/2021 at 8:26 PM, femmefan1946 said:

Do Americans do "sentencing circles"?

Only if Grammarly is involved...

[Loandbehold]

On 1/20/2021 at 3:00 PM, Netfoot said:

Maybe Glau can do a cameo role? On The Rookie, I mean.

Why not. She did an episode of Chuck with Adam Baldwin.

[shapeshifter]

On 1/7/2021 at 8:26 PM, femmefan1946 said:

Do Americans do "sentencing circles"? This is a big thing with aboriginal Canadians who run afoul of the law. Basically the community (or just the elders, who are not necessarily old) sit the perpetrator down and discuss what he did wrong, why it was wrong, and how he plans to make it right.

It's been happening for a long time. One of my many BILs was a judge in the NorthWestTerritories when it was still plural, and he incorporated circles into his judgements and sentencing, which could range from community service to flying South to the penitentiary. The sort of thing that Nolan would love.

The college where I was employed did something similar, but it can mean serial offenders get off with no real consequences while victims can feel humiliated or like they are betraying the group. I imagine it works better when those involved are part of a permanent community. 

[femmefan1946]

Yes, these are done in permanent communities. Many reserves are very small and isolated. It is healthier for the whole community to find the right treatment for an offender (and victim) than to banish someone to jail or the streets of Vancouver or Thunder Bay.

[Moose135]

Did I miss something? Looks like four episodes in, and they are already running a repeat...

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Moose135 said:

Did I miss something? Looks like four episodes in, and they are already running a repeat...

That is going on with many shows along with nontraditional spots for hiatus placement. Just another victim of the pandemic and humanity's countermeasures 

[paigow]

7 hours ago, Raja said:

That is going on with many shows along with nontraditional spots for hiatus placement. Just another victim of the pandemic and humanity's countermeasures 

CBS Super Bowl next week followed by Queen Latifah Equalizer reboot... Nolan gets next week off too?

[Raja]

9 minutes ago, paigow said:

CBS Super Bowl next week followed by Queen Latifah Equalizer reboot... Nolan gets next week off too?

Sometimes they stay with the normal programming other times non game covering networks don't waste a new; episode on holiday which the Super Bowl is a quasi holiday weekends.

[BlakesMomma]

1 hour ago, paigow said:

CBS Super Bowl next week followed by Queen Latifah Equalizer reboot... Nolan gets next week off too?

Yes next week off also, then returns February 14 after the season premiere of American Idol. Last season the lead-in change to Idol really helped TR's ratings.

[Loandbehold]

It is weird that they didn't show a new episode last night since there was no football and really, not much of anything on. It's tough to keep an audience when you have two or three episodes followed by a three or four week hiatus. 

[Raja]

13 minutes ago, Loandbehold said:

It is weird that they didn't show a new episode last night since there was no football and really, not much of anything on. It's tough to keep an audience when you have two or three episodes followed by a three or four week hiatus. 

Remember their crew had many COVID cases from September forward. And thus they slowed down the production of new episodes.

[bros402]

9 hours ago, Loandbehold said:

It is weird that they didn't show a new episode last night since there was no football and really, not much of anything on. It's tough to keep an audience when you have two or three episodes followed by a three or four week hiatus. 

I'm guessing it's because of the COVID on set that they didn't have an episode last night

[BlakesMomma]

18 hours ago, Raja said:

Remember their crew had many COVID cases from September forward. And thus they slowed down the production of new episodes.

They also started production late in September instead of mid-July and it is taking longer than the normal 8 days to film each episode because of Covid measures. They also shut down for a couple weeks in December due to a couple crew with positive Covid tests. So they need time to keep episode production ahead of weekly airing dates. 

[devilhalo]

On 2/1/2021 at 8:57 AM, Moose135 said:

Did I miss something? Looks like four episodes in, and they are already running a repeat...

Because of Covid. They shut down production in December and also in January. They started filming again only from the 3rd week of January. 

[paigow]

Fillion is a Whedon Icon... Wonder what he has to say about toxic workplace???

[madmax]

3 hours ago, paigow said:

Fillion is a Whedon Icon... Wonder what he has to say about toxic workplace???

I was wondering if we'd hear anything from the Firefly cast.  There were enough females in that cast, mostly unknowns.  However, I think all but Summer Glau were a little older and more established and from what I've read, Whedon seemed to mostly harass the younger females.

[WendyCR72]

Nathan Fillion joins Jon Hamm, Whoopi Goldberg, and Bill Hader as a guest star [as the others are] in a new Marvel stop-motion animation series for Hulu.

[SnarkySheep]

Emily Deschanel to play Nolan's ex-wife

[DanaK]

Season finale May 16 http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20210426abc21/&date=05/16/2021&filter=premieres

[DanaK]

Renewed! https://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2021/05/14/abc-renews-the-rookie-a-million-little-things-the-goldbergs-and-more/

[Thomas Crown]

2 hours ago, DanaK said:

Renewed! https://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2021/05/14/abc-renews-the-rookie-a-million-little-things-the-goldbergs-and-more/

Thank you ABC for the renewal.  But I'm still mad about you cancelling "Forever" and "Whisky Cavalier" but this renewal helps 😜.   Honestly, I could easily see the Rookie going into a 5th season the way the ratings have been consistent for 2 years now since moving to Sunday nights. The ratings on Sunday night for the key demo are very good overall considering the time slot.  

[bros402]

8 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

Thank you ABC for the renewal.  But I'm still mad about you cancelling "Forever" and "Whisky Cavalier" but this renewal helps 😜.   Honestly, I could easily see the Rookie going into a 5th season the way the ratings have been consistent for 2 years now since moving to Sunday nights. The ratings on Sunday night for the key demo are very good overall considering the time slot.  

also still mad about those two being canned

[Diana Berry]

Watch this show off and on.  I like it. Glad it got renewed.

[DanaK]

ABC has announced its Fall schedule and The Rookie remains in its Sunday 10pm timeslot http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2021/05/17/fox-announces-new-primetime-schedule-for-2021-2022-season-871013/20210517fox02/

[Thomas Crown]

6 hours ago, DanaK said:

ABC has announced its Fall schedule and The Rookie remains in its Sunday 10pm timeslot http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2021/05/17/fox-announces-new-primetime-schedule-for-2021-2022-season-871013/20210517fox02/

Yikes. Not the best lead in for the Rookie come this fall.  

[WendyCR72]

6 minutes ago, Thomas Crown said:

Yikes. Not the best lead in for the Rookie come this fall.  

Four seasons in, the show should be able to withstand a subpar lead in.

[BlakesMomma]

The Rookie writers are back at work, the transportation department goes back to work next week and S4 filming begins mid-July according to Rupert Cole, TR Transportation Dispatcher.

 

Rupert Cole @therupert

Replying to @therookiefan

I start back to work next week. We start filming in July.

 

 

 

[devilhalo]

They have started filming

https://www.instagram.com/p/CREhPz1DLCO/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

 

 

[DanaK]

New season premieres September 26 https://tvline.com/2021/07/15/abc-premiere-dates-fall-2021-list-greys-anatomy-season-18/

[Thomas Crown]

Promo is up for the season premiere which is only 3 weeks away.  Lots of interesting speculation based on that promo.  Episode is titled "Life and Death".  

Season 4 Promo

[bros402]

9 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

Promo is up for the season premiere which is only 3 weeks away.  Lots of interesting speculation based on that promo.  Episode is titled "Life and Death".  

Season 4 Promo

um so after last season being about police accountability... in this one they travel to a foreign country and commit a slew of crimes?

[Moose135]

1 hour ago, bros402 said:

um so after last season being about police accountability... in this one they travel to a foreign country and commit a slew of crimes?

Yes, because it doesn’t count when you do it in another country… 😉

[chaifan]

Ugh.  If they don't resolve that plot line in 2 episodes, I'm out.  I watch The Rookie because it is mostly light hearted, a fun vehicle for Nathan Fillion's one liners, self depreciating humor and pratfalls.  This looks way too serious for me.

[Thomas Crown]

17 hours ago, bros402 said:

um so after last season being about police accountability... in this one they travel to a foreign country and commit a slew of crimes?

So true.  Also, the action scenes in Guatemala look like they recycled some sets from an old A-team episode.  Soldiers of fortune living in the Los Angeles underground on a dangerous mission they are not. Still it looks like a fun intense season premiere. 

Speculation based on an important cast member not in the Promo

Spoiler

So where is Smitty ? 😀  He better not be dead. 

Seriously though, it appears that Jackson does not make it.  Might also explain the episode title "Life and Death" meaning life for Angela's new baby and death for Jackson. Also gives a purpose to the scene with Bradford comforting Lucy.

 

[shapeshifter]

Some good to come of the tragedy:
"ABC’s ‘The Rookie’ Bans 'Live' Guns on Set: The change, effective Friday, comes in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of Alec Baldwin's 'Rust.'"
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/rookie-bans-live-guns-on-set-1235035568/

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...The series has, over the past two seasons, primarily used CGI to portray muzzle flashes but occasionally used “live” weapons on “big, outside set pieces.” That policy ended Friday as Hawley sent a memo to staff...

BTW, "blanks" are also considered to be "live ammunition."

[Thomas Crown]

On 10/23/2021 at 11:39 AM, shapeshifter said:

Some good to come of the tragedy:
"ABC’s ‘The Rookie’ Bans 'Live' Guns on Set: The change, effective Friday, comes in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of Alec Baldwin's 'Rust.'"
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/rookie-bans-live-guns-on-set-1235035568/

BTW, "blanks" are also considered to be "live ammunition."

Good call by those in charge.  Any risk is too much risk and there really is no need to have real guns on set.  I really don't think it will make too much difference for the viewing audience if the scenes are played out with fake guns. 

 

[shapeshifter]

31 minutes ago, Thomas Crown said:

Good call by those in charge.  Any risk is too much risk and there really is no need to have real guns on set.  I really don't think it will make too much difference for the viewing audience if the scenes are played out with fake guns.

A lot has been written elsewhere about the high cost of substituting CGI for the explosion of blanks. I wonder if NF offered to offset? 

The Industry could higher some coders to create a CGI script that produced believable effects,* and then make it open source in the interest of saving lives and honoring those lost. 
But will they?

____________

*I'm thinking of the countless legion of names of coders that have scrolled past my eyes on my screen when PhotoShop loads its impossibly complex and seemingly endless array of features--names that have cycled in and then out for 20+ years
--and thinking it would be a pittance to the Hollywood wealthy to hire a few starving coders to make believable CGI for muzzle flash and even kickback. 

[bros402]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

A lot has been written elsewhere about the high cost of substituting CGI for the explosion of blanks. I wonder if NF offered to offset? 

The Industry could higher some coders to create a CGI script that produced believable effects,* and then make it open source in the interest of saving lives and honoring those lost. 
But will they?

____________

*I'm thinking of the countless legion of names of coders that have scrolled past my eyes on my screen when PhotoShop loads its impossibly complex and seemingly endless array of features--names that have cycled in and then out for 20+ years
--and thinking it would be a pittance to the Hollywood wealthy to hire a few starving coders to make believable CGI for muzzle flash and even kickback. 

From something I was reading the other day, a muzzle flash is one of the basic CG effects people learn when learning how to do CG - they'd just need to make one that is a bit more realistic looking

[Brian Cronin]

5 hours ago, bros402 said:

From something I was reading the other day, a muzzle flash is one of the basic CG effects people learn when learning how to do CG - they'd just need to make one that is a bit more realistic looking

I read one FX guy claim that real muzzle flashes actually look weird on film, so the CGI is actually BETTER looking! 

[Netfoot]

5 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

I read one FX guy claim that real muzzle flashes actually look weird on film, so the CGI is actually BETTER looking! 

It depends to some extent on the cartridge being used, with more powerful loads producing more muzzle-flash. I wouldn't think the standard police load would be particularly flashy. 

But the mose most significant factor would be lighting. In strong light you probably won't see a flash at all. At night or in a dimly lit space, the flash will manifest itself more. 

Bear in mind that unless the round has been designed specifically to produce a flash (like the famous "Dragon's Breath" shotgun shells), it will will most likely have been designed not to produce a flash or smoke.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Netfoot

[Netfoot]

By the way, here is a YT video showing the "Dragon's breath" cartridges in use:

These are a less-lethal round intended to intimidate and scare off intruders and prowlers who may attempt mischief at night.

These give new meaning to the term muzzle-flash!

By comparison, there are plenty of YT videos reviewing firearms of all type, mostly in daylight at the range (too many for me to pick one; search for yourself). Few, if any, show muzzle-flash to any degree, if at all.

[shapeshifter]

@Netfoot, too bad you’re not consulting on this stuff! It seems the safer stuff has more visual pizzazz. 

[Megras]

I have read elsewhere also that not having a live round, even if its a blank, changes the feel of firing and it ends up looking wrong as the actors can't quite get the recoil etc right. So its not just to do with the muzzle flash. Although I am just repeating things read elsewhere and don't have firsthand experience.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Megras said:

I have read elsewhere also that not having a live round, even if its a blank, changes the feel of firing and it ends up looking wrong as the actors can't quite get the recoil etc right. So its not just to do with the muzzle flash. Although I am just repeating things read elsewhere and don't have firsthand experience.

I've read that too and have no experience either, but I BELIEVE that CGI could be written to simulate a person recoiling.