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[Netfoot]

I  Don't claim any particular expertise in movie gun-play, but I believe that simple mechanical alterations could be used to good effect, On the set of The Rookie. An automatic can be made to cycle the slide with a very low-powered blank cartridge, perhaps one with no powder in it at all - only the primer. 

A gas-operated action can be stimulated by adding a restrictor to the barrel. This is basically a plug with a hole in it much smaller than the muzzle, restricting the flow of gas out of the muzzle enough that the action will cycle. Or better, a replacement barrel with the restrictor as an integral part of the barrel instead if a plug which could conceivably come loose to become a lethal projectile in its own right. (Post-WWI barnstormers used this technique to get the machine guns on their old war-planes to cycle during their flying displays.)

Recoil operated weapons could be fitted with lighter recoil springs so the reduced recoil of a watered down blank cartridge will still cycle the action. Shooters do the opposite when trying extra powerful loads; they fit stronger recoil springs.

And of course, a revolver typically needs no changes to be made whatsoever.

Weapon selection might be made for police and baddies on The Rookie based on ease of conversion to operate with lightly loaded blanks, unless some historically accurate firearm needed to be used to facilitate the storytelling.

As for the visible effect on the actor firing the weapon, what is needed here is a looser grip. A small pistol like a .22 will still recoil, if you hold it less tightly than a heavier caliber. The same would be true for a tame blank cartridge 

In the recent case we've all no doubt heard of, it seems to me that the weapon itself was not directly the issue (but see on). It would appear that several common-sense safety procedures/protocols were simply ignored for reasons unknown (convenience? Stupidity?) with tragic results. I see the fact that the revolver in question had already misfired or malfunctioned two or three times before the incident and was still in use, as lethal stupidity at work. Just one of at least five dumb-assed moves I can think of, that lead to a fatality.

But I've probably said too much. They love to beat up on me, so I'll say no more.

 

[shapeshifter]

29 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

It would appear that several common-sense safety procedures/protocols were simply ignored for reasons unknown (convenience? Stupidity?) with tragic results.

--also possibly rampant sleep deprivation (even among the major players) which can lead to many failures to follow safety protocols--whether organizational or personal.

--and likely a creeping group think of "the other guys probably already checked this."

[Raja]

11 hours ago, Megras said:

I have read elsewhere also that not having a live round, even if its a blank, changes the feel of firing and it ends up looking wrong as the actors can't quite get the recoil etc right. So its not just to do with the muzzle flash. Although I am just repeating things read elsewhere and don't have firsthand experience.

So in theory without a pronounced bang a a shell casing kicking out the actor will act like a Terminator, a super robot not effected by the recoil of a puny weapon. Or a Starfleet officer on TNG where their primary  sidearm was designed not to look like a pistol. Since presumably a phaser does not recoil so the tactical shooting stances seen since Starsky and Hutch are not needed.

 

I just happened to be in a Stargate SG-1 watch and season 7 happened during the run up to Iraq. It was said by podcasters commenting on those episodes that the brass needed for their signature weapon was no longer available as military special forces grabbed it all for training and combat.  So they made a special weapon for Amanda Tapping's Major Carter but it only fired one round at a time and they then CGI'd the rest of the firing in like they did for the alien staff ray weapons.  As soon as blank ammunition again became available they went back to firing hundreds of blanks as I guess 20 years ago that was still the cheaper and better way.

[Msample]

https://deadline.com/2021/11/the-rookie-jenna-dewan-promoted-series-regular-bailey-nune-abc-1234865930/

[Surrealist]

14 minutes ago, Msample said:

https://deadline.com/2021/11/the-rookie-jenna-dewan-promoted-series-regular-bailey-nune-abc-1234865930/

So, basically, another version of Castle.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Am guessing Bailey is/will be one of the MVP for the killer/arsonist story. Will she be killed in the season finale? Nolan needs continuous dramas in his life.🤔

[Surrealist]

12 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Am guessing Bailey is/will be one of the MVP for the killer/arsonist story. Will she be killed in the season finale? Nolan needs continuous dramas in his life.🤔

Nolan's girlfriend picker is total shit, so I can buy this scenario.

[BlakesMomma]

18 hours ago, Surrealist said:

So, basically, another version of Castle.

Castle was all about the will they/won't they. That doesn't exist here. The only thing the same is that they interact on their jobs. And in TR they don't work together every day in the all day like Castle. The Nolan/Bailey relationship is nothing like Castle in my opinion.

And note this comment from the article:

"Nolan having a love interest with whom he also interacts professionally echoes the successful formula of Fillion’s former hit ABC series Castle." 

This comment is Nellie, the article author's comment, not Hawley's. Author has no idea whether it will echo Castle or not.

I like Bailey. I think they play off each other well.

Edited November 2, 2021 by BlakesMomma

[milkyaqua]

Eh, I don't know about Castle.  The whole conceit of the show was that eventually the two main leads would wind up together simply based on the concept.

As for Nolan and Bailey, I can tolerate it if they aren't constantly finding ways to put them in each others work lives.  I didn't mind it when he was seeing the doctor but between he and Bailey's, whose job is more dangerous, that will get pretty old and fast.  If they are setting this up to tie in to the serial killer storyline somehow, who knows?  Is she the killer or possible victim?

I don't have much faith in TPTB that they will be able to write this and not screw it up.  Based on another blog and even here Jenna's character either seems to be liked or really not liked with no in-between.

Edited November 2, 2021 by milkyaqua

[CooperTV]

2 hours ago, BlakesMomma said:

Castle was all about the will they/won't they. That doesn't exist here. The only thing the same is that they interact on their jobs. And in TR they don't work together every day in the all day like Castle. The Nolan/Bailey relationship is nothing like Castle in my opinion.

It'd be like Castle (or any other kind of show with male/female partnership went romantic after years of slow-build, like Bradford/Chen), if it was Nolan/Bishop, Nolan/Nyla or even Nolan/Chen. As it stands, Nolan's love life on the show is basically an "instant puppy love" with a guest star, and Nolan/Bailey is not exception to this.

[milkyaqua]

The Rookie Casts Peyton List as Tim's Sister, James Remar as Their Father

TVLine can exclusively report that Peyton List (The Tomorrow People, The Flash) has landed the role of Gennifer “Genny” Bradford, who — just like her “baby brother” — is not someone to be trifled with. First appearing in this season’s eighth episode, Genny shows up in L.A. unannounced to try and convince her brother to repair and sell their father’s house.

Speaking of dear ol’ dad (aka Tom Bradford), TVLine has also learned that James Remar (Dexter, Black Lightning) will fill that plum role, appearing alongside List and Winter in Episode 9, which is penciled in to air Dec. 12.

[devilhalo]

21 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

Eh, I don't know about Castle.  The whole conceit of the show was that eventually the two main leads would wind up together simply based on the concept.

As for Nolan and Bailey, I can tolerate it if they aren't constantly finding ways to put them in each others work lives.  I didn't mind it when he was seeing the doctor but between he and Bailey's, whose job is more dangerous, that will get pretty old and fast.  If they are setting this up to tie in to the serial killer storyline somehow, who knows?  Is she the killer or possible victim?

I don't have much faith in TPTB that they will be able to write this and not screw it up.  Based on another blog and even here Jenna's character either seems to be liked or really not liked with no in-between.

I think it’s less about the character and more about people not interested in Nolan’s relationships. The response is overtly negative in various social media platforms. Jenna as an actress is immensely liked so fans may be happy about that. But I have barely seen anyone shipping them or loving them together. 

 

[Cheetara1986]

Yeah, I think fans are just over the show being basically a platform for Nolans revolving doors of love interest and him always being the savior.

[BlakesMomma]

8 hours ago, devilhalo said:

I think it’s less about the character and more about people not interested in Nolan’s relationships. The response is overtly negative in various social media platforms. Jenna as an actress is immensely liked so fans may be happy about that. But I have barely seen anyone shipping them or loving them together. 

 

I’ve seen many people happy about their relationship. Most of the vocal Chenford fans don’t like it because they’re worried it steals time from their potential Chenford scenes. 
 

I think Nolan’s relationships are portrayed very realistically for a recently divorced person. They date people. You rarely find a new relationship right away that works and lasts. You date several people until you find someone that’s right. It’s not like Nolan dates someone new every couple episodes, as indicated with by “revolving door” analogy. In 4 seasons he’s dated 3 women with long stretches in between. That’s real life. 

[WendyCR72]

Since Nolan's love life is not the premise and is not integral, I don't care if he NEVER gets a "steady" romance. Some people are happy/fulfilled enough to live alone. And if a character from almost 50 years ago as an example, like Hawkeye Pierce could do it, serial dating can still work today, is the way I see it.

IMO, not every show needs a romance. Stick with the on-the-job stuff.

Especially since it was the romance angle that helped sink - as well as elevate - Nathan Fillion's prior series.

[devilhalo]

1 hour ago, BlakesMomma said:

I’ve seen many people happy about their relationship. Most of the vocal Chenford fans don’t like it because they’re worried it steals time from their potential Chenford scenes. 
 

I think Nolan’s relationships are portrayed very realistically for a recently divorced person. They date people. You rarely find a new relationship right away that works and lasts. You date several people until you find someone that’s right. It’s not like Nolan dates someone new every couple episodes, as indicated with by “revolving door” analogy. In 4 seasons he’s dated 3 women with long stretches in between. That’s real life. 

He has dated 4 women not 3. Yes, there are positive comments but there are those who like Jenna/Bailey not because they like Bailey/Nolan romance. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by devilhalo

[Surrealist]

On 11/2/2021 at 6:21 PM, milkyaqua said:

The Rookie Casts Peyton List as Tim's Sister, James Remar as Their Father

 

 

I love these casting choices for Bradford's family members. I can't wait!

[Surrealist]

6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Especially since it was the romance angle that helped sink - as well as elevate - Nathan Fillion's prior series.

This right here.

I'm not a Nathan fan. My mother used to watch Castle and was a Firefly fan. He seems to attract the Boomer women, which is fine. YMMV.

He plays both cocky and dorky really well, but I'm guessing it's because he's playing a version of his real self on camera. He's certainly not the only actor who does that.

But as far as his attempts at being romantic and sexy? He seems stilted most of the time. His onscreen chemistry with actresses seems off, as where he tends to have chemistry with his male costars. They play off one another more easily.

That's just my opinion, and it's just an opinion.

Jenna's pretty, and her acting is fine. She did an indie horror movie called Tamara, in which she plays the titular troubled and psychotic character. FWIW, she can definitely pull off being a serial killer.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Surrealist

[devilhalo]

7 hours ago, Surrealist said:

This right here.

I'm not a Nathan fan. My mother used to watch Castle and was a Firefly fan. He seems to attract the Boomer women, which is fine. YMMV.

He plays both cocky and dorky really well, but I'm guessing it's because he's playing a version of his real self on camera. He's certainly not the only actor who does that.

But as far as his attempts at being romantic and sexy? He seems stilted most of the time. His onscreen chemistry with actresses seems off, as where he tends to have chemistry with his male costars. They play off one another more easily.

That's just my opinion, and it's just an opinion.

Jenna's pretty, and her acting is fine. She did an indie horror movie called Tamara, in which she plays the titular troubled and psychotic character. FWIW, she can definitely pull off being a serial killer.

 

I thought he had excellent chemistry on both Castle and Firefly. It’s just not working on The Rookie.

Apart from the very bad writing (they literally write every Nolan relationship in a horrible and the same way), they are pairing him up with the wrong women who don’t “suit” him. As I have said before, find someone who is closer to his age or even older than him. 

[Netfoot]

6 minutes ago, devilhalo said:

...find someone who is closer to his age or even older than him. 

I don't know how much that would help. I don't see the age of the girlfriend as being the problem. They need to i) find an actress with whom he has genuine chemistry, and ii) write better scenes and dialogue.

[devilhalo]

1 hour ago, Netfoot said:

I don't know how much that would help. I don't see the age of the girlfriend as being the problem. They need to i) find an actress with whom he has genuine chemistry, and ii) write better scenes and dialogue.

I think that helps in some small way. I liked him with Grace simply because he looked better with her as compared to the other actresses on The Rookie. And she was closer to his age as compared to others.

I normally don’t care about age gap and stuff. But it has to look good on camera. That’s what matters at the end of the day. It’s a subjective opinion obviously. 

 

[Surrealist]

Nathan might very well have good chemistry with women offscreen, but it's not translating for me onscreen. I think it has to do with casting choices.

[milkyaqua]

15 hours ago, BlakesMomma said:

I’ve seen many people happy about their relationship. Most of the vocal Chenford fans don’t like it because they’re worried it steals time from their potential Chenford scenes. 
 

Seriously?  Who are these people?  If there's one relationship I have no interest in seeing, it's Chenford.  Just no, a 1000 times no.

2 hours ago, devilhalo said:

Apart from the very bad writing (they literally write every Nolan relationship in a horrible and the same way), they are pairing him up with the wrong women who don’t “suit” him. As I have said before, find someone who is closer to his age or even older than him. 

Yes, that's also a problem but the writing is sinking a lot of this show overall.  I'm thinking Fillion being a producer isn't helping either as far as the writing and casting women for him to play off better either.

[chaifan]

3 hours ago, Netfoot said:

I don't know how much that would help. I don't see the age of the girlfriend as being the problem. They need to i) find an actress with whom he has genuine chemistry, and ii) write better scenes and dialogue.

In my opinion, he had great chemistry with the female college professor, Fiona, played by Toks Olagundoye.  It wasn't a romantic relationship, but they had great chemistry.  They could have developed that into a romantic relationship, and I think it would have worked. 

[Surrealist]

4 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

I'm thinking Fillion being a producer isn't helping either as far as the writing and casting women for him to play off better either.

I think Nathan sees an attractive actress and thinks "Whoa! She's hot. Let's hire her to play my latest love interest."

I'm pretty sure that's the exact process.😂

 

[devilhalo]

16 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I think Nathan sees an attractive actress and thinks "Whoa! She's hot. Let's hire her to play my latest love interest."

I'm pretty sure that's the exact process.😂

 

No idea If NF has anything to do with the casting choices. But him being a producer will mean that people will unfortunately point fingers at him and blame him (even if he may or may not be responsible for the way Nolan’s relationships play out). Either ways, the writing for the relationships sucks. And the writers are responsible for that. 

And the casting also seems to be about how famous the actress is. Maybe they are hoping that the actresses with large following on Instagram will bring their fans to the show which will increase the show’s popularity. 
 

Jenna has almost 7 million followers on IG. They sure must be thinking the ratings will increase now. 

 

 

[CooperTV]

The writing for Nolan and his lady friends has been profoundly boring from the beginning, and Bailey's just the latest example of that.

But it's not like every other romantic relationship on the show is some masterpiece of writing creativity either. Every single romance on the show is forgettable and uninspiring, in my opinion.

Chenford was never intended to be romantic and happened completely by accident, because the actors have insane on-screen chemistry together and the writing was using it to its advantage in the first couple seasons to create believable cop-related drama. Now? It's as bland and boring as any other "canon" show romance, minus the actual romance.

All I wanted to say is that the writing on the show is just not very good.

[Driad]

Has Nathan Fillion ever said why he chose to do another cop drama after Castle?  We could speculate about money etc., but I would like to hear/read his opinion on why he didn't choose a different genre instead.

[Surrealist]

2 hours ago, Driad said:

Has Nathan Fillion ever said why he chose to do another cop drama after Castle?  We could speculate about money etc., but I would like to hear/read his opinion on why he didn't choose a different genre instead.

I think he's said actors don't always get to choose their projects. Sometimes they have to take what's offered. 

Something to that effect. Plus he's worked with Hawley before.

One thing I will give Nathan credit for is that he's very loyal to his actor friends and former costars. He gets them hired on his latest shows/movies/etc.

[femmefan1946]

Back to the gunplay thing--- does anyone other than gun nerds actually care if the gunplay is "realistic" ?

It goes bang. The bad guy falls down. There you go.

If the guns were made of licorice and the actor shouts "bang" when he aims it, might be a little too unrealistic, but I would hope that most people never have handled a dangerous weapon or been confronted with one.

The legal parts and the detective parts are a lot more fun. The bang bang stuff is boring.

[christie]

1 hour ago, femmefan1946 said:

The legal parts and the detective parts are a lot more fun. The bang bang stuff is boring.

I couldn't agree more.

[shapeshifter]

10 hours ago, femmefan1946 said:

The legal parts and the detective parts are a lot more fun. The bang bang stuff is boring

For me, fight scenes are even worse than gun scenes because they tend to go on longer, and generally the injuries from fight scenes are even more unrealistic than gunshot wounds—–at least these days—–I mean, they don’t seem to throw out the unrealistic lines like “it’s just a flesh wound” or “it’s just a shoulder wound” anymore after someone gets shot. Maybe cell phone videos of real life shootings and social media commentary about real gunshot victims have made this nonsense passé.

[Surrealist]

Is TV Guide watching the same show? 🥴

Edited November 19, 2021 by Surrealist

[Netfoot]

4 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Is TV Guide watching the same show? 🥴

I suspect that paragraph cost her about $100 per word.

[shapeshifter]

On 11/4/2021 at 2:20 PM, chaifan said:

In my opinion, he had great chemistry with the female college professor, Fiona, played by Toks Olagundoye.  It wasn't a romantic relationship, but they had great chemistry.  They could have developed that into a romantic relationship, and I think it would have worked. 

Toks Olagundoye and Fillion are both naturals when it comes to comedy, plus, she had been a regular for a season on Castle. So I think someone who can easily spar with him comedically would please  audiences. Ali Larter/Grace doesn’t seem to do comedy.

On 11/4/2021 at 11:51 AM, devilhalo said:

I normally don’t care about age gap and stuff. But it has to look good on camera. That’s what matters at the end of the day. It’s a subjective opinion obviously

With regards to age differences, I think the reason Jenna Dewan looks like his daughter to some viewers, is really more about Dewan being so much shorter than Fillion than an age difference. IRL a woman being a foot shorter than her male partner is not unusual, and it’s fairly common on screen too. But NF also has a large head, which makes the closeups look even more like father-daughter right at the wrong moment.

Anyhoo, WRT this:

4 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Is TV Guide watching the same show? 🥴

I agree that the TV Guide writer doesn’t seem to have watched the show. 

[Surrealist]

44 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

I suspect that paragraph cost her about $100 per word.

Seriously. Sounds like her PR rep sent that in.

17 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

But NF also has a large head

My first laugh of the morning.

He also has a large, crooked nose. 

[ribboninthesky1]

On 11/4/2021 at 2:20 PM, chaifan said:

In my opinion, he had great chemistry with the female college professor, Fiona, played by Toks Olagundoye.  It wasn't a romantic relationship, but they had great chemistry.  They could have developed that into a romantic relationship, and I think it would have worked. 

Agreed. 

I commented on an episode thread that Fillion appears physically awkward opposite the petite women they've paired him with.  However common tall men/petite women are in real life, on camera is just different for whatever reason.  The women that he seemed more...comfortable around were all taller - Larter, Olagundoye, and even Tricia Helfer (I know that she wasn't meant to be a romantic interest). 

I'm neutral on Dewan, but that TV Guide description is funny.  "Heat coming off my screen" has me giggling. There's nothing remotely steamy about them.      

[bros402]

22 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Is TV Guide watching the same show? 🥴

She must have as good a PR firm as some politicians

[milkyaqua]

From TVLine's Inside Scoop

I’m surprisingly intrigued by the pairing of Tim/Ashley on The Rookie. Any scoop on where their story is heading? –Carrie

As teased by the latest promo, “We have some episodes upcoming where we see them together,” showrunner Alexi Hawley told me. “And in the same way we saw with Rachel” — gosh, remember Rachel? — “one of the stories we’re going to get into down the road is it’s a bit hard for Tim to date because he’s a bit of a control freak. Ashley (played by Helena Mattsson) gets frustrated that he doesn’t like trying new things, because he gets new things ever day on the job. And the only person who really understands that the best is” — wait for it —  “Lucy.”

[Surrealist]

3 hours ago, milkyaqua said:

From TVLine's Inside Scoop

 

 

I like Tim's chemistry with Ashley. Also they don't work together, which to me, is a plus. 

[WendyCR72]

The Rookie, Grey's Anatomy, other ABC shows pause production because of Omicron.

[paigow]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The Rookie, Grey's Anatomy, other ABC shows pause production because of Omicron.

Maybe the writers will use this chance for some fixes...

[milkyaqua]

The Rookie Sets Backdoor Spinoff Pilot With Niecy Nash as Newbie FBI Agent

Nash’s presumably 50something character is described as “a force of nature, the living embodiment of a dream deferred — and the oldest rookie in the FBI Academy,” akin to how Nathan Fillion’s John Nolan entered the LAPD at the age of 45.

In the yet-to-be-scheduled backdoor pilot episodes, Officer Nolan and the L.A. division of the FBI enlist the help of FBI trainee Simone Clark when one of her former students is suspected of terrorism following an explosion at a local power station. Those back-to-back episodes will thus set the stage for a potential spinoff set in the same universe as The Rookie, allowing characters to move back and forth.

[bros402]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

I can understand Nolan entering the LAPD at 45, there is not age limit for the police academy in CA

There is a hard limit for the FBI - you must be younger than 37, unless you get a waiver for military service

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, bros402 said:

uhhhhhhhhhhh

I can understand Nolan entering the LAPD at 45, there is not age limit for the police academy in CA

There is a hard limit for the FBI - you must be younger than 37, unless you get a waiver for military service

So I guess Nash’s character is a veteran???

[Netfoot]

24 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

So I guess Nash’s character is a veteran???

Or they acknowledged that she was joining the faux-FBI and did what ever they wanted to do.

[bros402]

22 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

So I guess Nash’s character is a veteran???

yeah, but I would be surprised if they would grant a waiver for a 50-something vet unless she were special forces or like the World's Best Military Policewoman or something like that.

[CooperTV]

I think they want Equalizer type of show where a lady of a certain age and a certain body type fight crime.

[Raja]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:38 PM, bros402 said:

uhhhhhhhhhhh

I can understand Nolan entering the LAPD at 45, there is not age limit for the police academy in CA

There is a hard limit for the FBI - you must be younger than 37, unless you get a waiver for military service

I think we are far past the unique, that a large metro police department the LAPD has no upper age limit on recruits, as well as wouldn't take transfers which gave us The Closer and Chief Johnson in a Lieutenant's job.

I remember that as CSI was closing down we had a 50 something CSI Willows going to the FBI. I am sure that there is going to be some kind of unique skill  that will result in some old FBI rookie needing to be in Los Angeles. Or will that skill be discovered in L.A. and she heads to the FBI for her own show.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Raja

[Netfoot]

12 hours ago, CooperTV said:

I think they want Equalizer type of show where a lady of a certain age and a certain body type fight crime.

Let's hope it is slightly more believable than the Equalizer. 

Any idea when this cross-over dual-episode thingy is supposed to take place?