Kevin (Probably) Saves The World - General Discussion

[MostlyC]

Man, after that show it got really dusty in my house....

[Addaiya]

10 hours ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

I like the plot device that Kevin’s job interview last week or trip to the hardware store this week really aren’t about his interview or his home repairs.

Was that a real board game Kevin, Amy, Reese, and Nate were playing? 

It was! It's called Code Names and it's bloody fun! 

[MakeMeLaugh]

7 hours ago, Addaiya said:

It was! It's called Code Names and it's bloody fun! 

Thanks!

[Cowgirl]

So, was the clue "Three; leg" (Or whatever it was) meant to get her to say "tripod?"

Edited November 16, 2017 by Cowgirl

[MoreCoffeePlease]

Anyone a Castle fan here?  Remember how Kate usually had gorgeous supermodel hair?  Amy's hair reminds me of that. It is almost a character unto itself ... it truly is a crowning glory.  JoAnna Garcia Swisher is sooo pretty.

Still hating Yvette.  Almost didn't recognize her with the different hairdo.

We've all shared our love for Jason Ritter.  Just goes to show how powerful his presence is that he can carry a show on his own, and get a lot of us to stick with it just because of him.

I don't need the love triangle, but I do think that the professor is hot.

[jhlipton]

On 11/15/2017 at 2:42 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Kristin's mouth was saying, "I just want my mom to be happy," but what she really meant was, "I want my mom to do what I want her to do."

It's more "I want my mommy!".  My wife lost her mother recently, and she'd give just about anything for another day.  That doesn't make her selfish, just human.

On 11/15/2017 at 1:26 PM, sjohnson said:

The show is likely to commit to the proposition that only total selflessness is real virtue

Yvette keeps saying "Money doesn't buy happiness", which may be true, but the lack of it can buy a whole lot of sadness!

On 11/16/2017 at 2:33 PM, Cowgirl said:

So, was the clue "Three; leg" (Or whatever it was) meant to get her to say "tripod?"

Good video on how to play here.  Reese (or Amy) was giving a clue ("leg") for 3 agents.  Perhaps "Table", "Limb" and "Peg"?

Edited November 19, 2017 by jhlipton
How to Play Codenames

[SomeTameGazelle]

I find myself extremely distracted by how many scenes there are with backlight blocking people's faces. It happens so much it seems deliberate but why?

[DanaMB]

On 11/9/2017 at 5:44 PM, ketose said:

The physical comedy really reminds me of Jason's father. John Ritter was just finishing up Three's company when he was Jason's age.

 

 

 

Same here. Every time. 

[Commando Cody]

I re-watched the pilot. I think Kevin's Angel changed her hair between her first scene and her second scene. 

Did all of the meteors turn into angels? Did all of the meteors land near the other righteous? If they did, they could probably just look up where the other meteors fell. 

Amy Adams look-a-like is named Amy in the series. 

I was kind of confused for a while when, in the government meeting, Amy kept talking about the 35 meteor hits. I had to watch that part again, because it didn't make any sense. I assumed the confirmed US hit was the 36th meteor. They just didn't confirm it in the scene. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

On 11/17/2017 at 8:05 AM, MoreCoffeePlease said:

Anyone a Castle fan here?  Remember how Kate usually had gorgeous supermodel hair?  Amy's hair reminds me of that. It is almost a character unto itself ... it truly is a crowning glory.  JoAnna Garcia Swisher is sooo pretty.

Ha, Dawn on Buffy the Vampire Slayer had gloriously shiny hair! And on Friday Night Lights, Coach Taylor's hair was practically a separate character (I think it may have talked in some of the TWoP recaps), butTami Taylor's hair was to die for.

On 11/15/2017 at 2:42 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Kristin said that she just wanted her mom to be happy, but she didn't want to accept that for her mom, that meant no more chemo. Kristin's mouth was saying, "I just want my mom to be happy," but what she really meant was, "I want my mom to do what I want her to do." I'm glad she finally let go of that at the end and quit guilt tripping her mom about chemo. What's the point in living another six months if you're going to be miserable and puking your guts out th whole time?

 

On 11/18/2017 at 11:12 PM, jhlipton said:

It's more "I want my mommy!".  My wife lost her mother recently, and she'd give just about anything for another day.  That doesn't make her selfish, just human.

It's the very definition of selfishness to want another person to suffer in pain so that you can have more time with them. My dad died after a very long illness and when he died, I was relieved that he was no longer in pain. Yes, it was sad, but no, I wouldn't give anything to have another day with him if it meant another day of pain and suffering. How much are you really living if you're puking your guts out, gasping to breathe, or any other number of painful things that happen with terminal illnesses or medical treatments? Kristi's mother didn't die unexpectedly from a car crash. She died after undergoing treatment for cancer and then refusing to do it again. Kristin wanted her mother to go through more treatment, even though she knew it would not extend her mother's life very much but that it would make the last bit of it painful and miserable. Quality of life is important and Kristin thought it was more important that she have her mommy around for a few more painful months instead of thinking about her mother's quality of life during the time she would have left.

[jhlipton]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

It's the very definition of selfishness to want another person to suffer in pain so that you can have more time with them.

You're right.  I think part of the problem was that we really didn't see Kristen's mom in pain. That made it easier, for me, anyway, to sympathize with Kristen.  But showing the pain wouldn't work on this show -- it's too light for that.

[chaifan]

Just watched this.  Went into it not knowing at all what the premise was.  I never watched Joan of Arcadia, so I can't make comparisons there.  A few issues:

1.  I also don't understand why if he's the last true soul out there, there are 35 other meteors and 35 other guardians. 

2.  I wish they had done something different with the god issue.  Sort of like on The Good Place, where they acknowledge every religion has a little right and a little wrong.  If Kevin doesn't believe in god, then wouldn't his first reaction to "God sent me" be "which god?"

3.  I also don't buy Amy as one of the top experts on - whatever field she's in.  She's what, 40?  A bit young, especially in a scientific field, to be one of the military's go to experts.

I'm not totally hooked, but willing to give it another episode.

[jhlipton]

3 hours ago, chaifan said:

If Kevin doesn't believe in god, then wouldn't his first reaction to "God sent me" be "which god?"

In America, Christianity is pretty much the default.  If someone says "God sent me", we don't think he's talking about Thor or Zeus.

[chaifan]

6 hours ago, chaifan said:

2.  I wish they had done something different with the god issue.  Sort of like on The Good Place, where they acknowledge every religion has a little right and a little wrong.  If Kevin doesn't believe in god, then wouldn't his first reaction to "God sent me" be "which god?"

 

2 hours ago, jhlipton said:

In America, Christianity is pretty much the default.  If someone says "God sent me", we don't think he's talking about Thor or Zeus.

 

My point was, (IMO) that someone who didn't believe in god wouldn't just go to the "default".  If you don't believe in god, period, why would you automatically assume they're talking about the Christian god?  You'd want to know which group was right (if any)?  It's not just a Christian god vs. Thor or Zeus - Allah, any of the many Hindu or Shinto gods, etc. 

[KaveDweller]

32 minutes ago, chaifan said:

 

 

My point was, (IMO) that someone who didn't believe in god wouldn't just go to the "default".  If you don't believe in god, period, why would you automatically assume they're talking about the Christian god?  You'd want to know which group was right (if any)?  It's not just a Christian god vs. Thor or Zeus - Allah, any of the many Hindu or Shinto gods, etc. 

I think someone who didn't believe in god, would respond to a statement like "God sent me" with disbelief in general. They wouldn't think to ask which god, because if they don't believe in god it doesn't matter which god is being referred to. It's not like the person saying they meant Thor or Zeus would change his reaction.

But I do think someone who was raised in a Christian society (as Kevin was) would default to thinking someone else talking about god was talking about a Christian god. Unless the person talking is obviously from another culture I don't see someone questioning it. Kevin grew up in Texas, which is mostly Christian, so that is the idea of god he's rejecting.

[jhlipton]

2 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I do think someone who was raised in a Christian society (as Kevin was) would default to thinking someone else talking about god was talking about a Christian god. Unless the person talking is obviously from another culture

Exactly.

[joanne3482]

On 11/12/2017 at 9:06 AM, tribeca said:

I can totally see why the man could not get a job.  He was a mess.   Hopefully his wife did get the job.   They had a really nice house so he must have had a really good job at one time.   

I can see why he was a mess, though. A year with no nibbles even.  That's the worst kind of defeating.  The city doesn't seem big enough to have the kind of position he was doing. I do like that they seemed to have swapped their roles - with the wife working and I presume dad becoming the stay at home dad. 

I kind of wish they'd follow up with some of these people he's helped. Well, not follow up exactly, but it is a small town. At some point he should be bumping into these folks at the grocery store or whatever. 

[Lady Calypso]

Oh man, I've been waiting for Yvette to be called out for her shit, and boy, was I not expecting a whole episode of it. And the problem is that I do think Dave is right and he's not the bad guy. Yvette's uncertainty has gotten them all into a lot of trouble, Kevin included. I love that he called her out on her lies, especially after finding out that he could have told his family this whole time but Yvette's selfishness has ruined that. 

I really liked Kevin and Reese's scene at the end. She really helped to cheer him up. 

The show really does better when it's around Kevin, Reese, and Amy. I genuinely don't care about anyone else but those three, at this point. 

I was hoping for a twist of Yvette allowing Kevin to tell the truth to at least Reese, but I guess I'll have to wait until the season finale for that. 

[formerlyfreedom]

Convinced that the universe is leading the way, a very confident Kevin heads to Laos with Tyler in search of the first righteous soul. Meanwhile, Yvette has her doubts about their mission and has a chance encounter with Tyler that changes both of their outlooks. Back in Texas, Amy goes all out decorating for Christmas and decides whether or not she’s truly ready to date again.

Winter Finale!

 

[Anela]

My DVR didn't record this for some reason. It also wasn't scheduled to record next week. I'll have to check it out online, or on-demand. I'm sick of my cable messing up like this (or freezing up completely). 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Amy: His name is Iggy.
Kevin: Is he a character from a children's cartoon?
Amy: It's short for Ignacio.
Kevin: Okay, actually that's a pretty cool name.
Amy: Yeah, well, he's a pretty cool guy. He teaches philosophy and theology.
Kevin: Nope, sorry. He's back to uncool.

Kevin: What are you afraid of? What's the worst thing that could happen?
Ethan: Everybody says that I suck.
Kevin: People tell me that I suck literally every day and it's not that bad.

Kevin: I am a patron of the arts. I love all the great artists, artworks. Mona Lisa, um, soup can, people at the park made out of dots, uh, screamy face, melty clocks.

Kristen: The cast has decided that they need a different flavor seltzer because they heard that Lin-Manuel drinks pamplemousse.

Nate: Is it strange for a grown man to be watching a high school play?
Amy: Yeah, kind of.
Nate: The chief's daughter is one of the leads. Our attendance tonight was "recommended."

Amy: Balls flying everywhere. Okay, that actually sounded a lot more porny than I intended.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Ugh, no thanks to the sewer ring!

Loved Kevin's descriptions of all the paintings he knows. Screamy face!

I was confused by the circumstances of the play. Kristen made it sound like the school was providing the fancy La Croix for the cast, but the "theater" was just a bunch of metal folding chairs. My high school was the opposite. We had an actual theater with fixed seats but we were on our own for food. I also call bull shit on the kids eating pizza in their costumes. That's just asking for huge red tomato stains.

I understand Yvette wanting Kevin to concentrate on The Mission, but attending Reese's play is not "goofing off."

Heh, a sign that Dave sucks - he threw TWO cans of paint on Kevin and then handed him ONE paper towel. I don't think he's necessarily a bad guy though. He's entitled to be upset that things are such a mess, but it seems petty that he decided he was right and Yvette was wrong and then told all of the other 34 others like them not to help her. If he's a "free will" guy as he told Kevin, he should let the others decide for themselves if they want to help Yvette and Kevin. If she's right then there's a chance that they can all go back home so that should be motivation for some of them to help. Otherwise, they're all stuck on earth forever.

I had to laugh at Kevin sitting on his bedroom floor eating peanut butter straight out of the jar. I'm glad he and Reese talked. They have such an up and down relationship so I love when they have moments where they can be emotionally honest and connect.

I loved that Kevin tried to tell Reese the truth. I wish he had asked Dave if that was something he could do or if Yvette just made up that rule too.

[sjohnson]

The reveal that Yvette is a liar too is yet another change up. I'll say it again, this show changes premises more than The Good Place. 

Kevin's desperate search for redemption? Completely justified because he was such a vile, worthless excuse for a human being? Or, a delusional self-image fueled by life threatening depression masked by his frenetic pursuit?

The reveal that Yvette told God she'd fix things is so far from all previous Hollywood theology I'm back to wondering if the meteors are just imagining their time in heaven. Yvette/Kevin folie a deux? Which is why Dave and the others aren't on board. Can "Warriors of God" be evil like Dave and Ava, who are happily watching the apocalypse unfold? Or is there something else going on?

[Lady Calypso]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I understand Yvette wanting Kevin to concentrate on The Mission, but attending Reese's play is not "goofing off."

It's kind of hard to like Yvette when she's both encouraging Kevin to fix his relationship with his family and making him choose the Mission over them while not being able to tell them the truth, all at the same time. She may not know what'll happen, but that means she's operating on fear, which can be deadly. If Kevin hadn't have attended Reese's play in favour of driving to Austin, Yvette would have had to create yet another mission for Kevin to work on fixing that relationship again. He's very, very lucky that Reese has finally accepted her uncle's weirdness. 

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Heh, a sign that Dave sucks - he threw TWO cans of paint on Kevin and then handed him ONE paper towel. I don't think he's necessarily a bad guy though. He's entitled to be upset that things are such a mess, but it seems petty that he decided he was right and Yvette was wrong and then told all of the other 34 others like them not to help her. If he's a "free will" guy as he told Kevin, he should let the others decide for themselves if they want to help Yvette and Kevin. If she's right then there's a chance that they can all go back home so that should be motivation for some of them to help. Otherwise, they're all stuck on earth forever.

Dave has been a surprisingly nice guide this episode. From all of Yvette's talk about him being the bad guy, he really didn't do all that much to prove her right. And what he said at the end made sense. Yvette raised their hopes that they would find the righteous, only to discover that she was as lost as they were and there may not be all 36 righteous out there. They all had left their home to follow Yvette, and it could have cost them. Was what he did to the others with telling them not to help Yvette right? No, not at all. They could make those choices for themselves, so I think that does help to balance out what Yvette's been doing with Kevin. So I like that both Dave and Yvette have made detrimental mistakes that have cost them the trust of the people closest to them. 

I'm guessing all the other angels are stuck on Earth as well? I missed that explanation. 

[chaifan]

11 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Oh man, I've been waiting for Yvette to be called out for her shit, and boy, was I not expecting a whole episode of it. And the problem is that I do think Dave is right and he's not the bad guy. Yvette's uncertainty has gotten them all into a lot of trouble, Kevin included. I love that he called her out on her lies, especially after finding out that he could have told his family this whole time but Yvette's selfishness has ruined that. 

 

I think Yvette just got called out on the fact that she doesn't have to be invisible to everyone else.  Not that Kevin could have told others who/what she was even if she was visible.  So if she were visible, then he'd just have to come up with some excuse why there was this lady hanging around him all the time, in his house, bedroom, car, etc., but strangely disappearing, too. 

[Lady Calypso]

25 minutes ago, chaifan said:

I think Yvette just got called out on the fact that she doesn't have to be invisible to everyone else.  Not that Kevin could have told others who/what she was even if she was visible.  So if she were visible, then he'd just have to come up with some excuse why there was this lady hanging around him all the time, in his house, bedroom, car, etc., but strangely disappearing, too. 

Well, I think Kevin was upset about her lying about staying invisible, but it probably started a thought process of "If Yvette never said that she could show herself to people so I'm not looking as crazy, what other things could she be lying about? Could she actually have power to let me tell the truth to my family? Could she have helped me with the missions like Dave has?" So I guess my initial interpretation was wrong. 

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

That is the type of secret that would be leaked throughout that town.  There is no way that Kevin's "secret" would be kept within his family.  Remove that "secret" dynamic from this series, and this series falls apart. 

Well, that's only if Reese or Amy start telling people. They could easily keep the secret if the show really wanted his family in the know. The writers can choose to have Reese or Amy blab the secret as easily as they could write them as being completely supportive and keep the secret. But the show just wants Kevin to do wacky and crazy things, have people see him as crazy, and then most of the time, that gets him into some sort of trouble. Maybe that's why I'm glad it was Yvette who got into trouble this episode. Usually, it's Kevin. 

[iMonrey]

My takeaway is that Yvette is helping Kevin, because he's getting those visions, and they're leading him to where they need to go. But that doesn't mean I wasn't glad to see her called out on her lies. So Hooray for Dave.

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The reveal that Yvette told God she'd fix things is so far from all previous Hollywood theology I'm back to wondering if the meteors are just imagining their time in heaven.

I was a little taken aback hearing that line. The show has been deliberately tip-toeing around religious connotations from the beginning, and going out of its way to use "the universe" as the driving force, rather than specifying any Judeo-Christian deity. Yet clearly the premise hangs on a pseudo-bibilical theme. It's almost like someone slipped that in past the network nit-pickers or something. 

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That is the type of secret that would be leaked throughout that town.

Well, Darrin didn't go around blabbing that Samantha was a witch, so I don't see why Reese and Amy would necessarily tell anyone about Kevin. But here's the problem:

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But the show just wants Kevin to do wacky and crazy things, have people see him as crazy, and then most of the time, that gets him into some sort of trouble.

Exactly - that's kind of what it all boils down to. Arrgh. There are so many great character moments in this show, and Jason Ritter is such a joy to watch, but the premise is just too vague and flimsy. I don't know how long it can go on just being about Kevin looking like a weirdo all the time.

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, icemiser69 said:

Human nature says they will blab.  The only guaranteed way for anyone to keep a secret, is if he keeps it to him or her self.

The other part that makes this show "work", is when Kevin is forced to do two things at once.  If he brings his sister and/or niece into the mix, he can ask either one of them to handle one of the tasks.  That takes away from Kevin's sense of urgency.  He would only have to choose which task he takes on, while one of his relatives takes on the other.

Good writers would find a way around this issue. They can't keep this a secret from everyone forever. I think there will have to be someone brought in to the secret if there is a second season. I think the secrets halts Kevin in his character development to an extent. The formula for each episode has been roughly the same; they will need a shakeup, especially with Yvette. 

[KaveDweller]

6 hours ago, iMonrey said:

My takeaway is that Yvette is helping Kevin, because he's getting those visions, and they're leading him to where they need to go. But that doesn't mean I wasn't glad to see her called out on her lies. So Hooray for Dave.

I do think Yvette is on the right track with the overall plan, helping people to get visions to find other righteous. The fact that he's having visions when he helps people shows that. But she has been acting pretty obnoxious. Kevin did the right thing by supporting Reese. She would have been hurt if he didn't go, and as we saw, there were other ways to help the artist guy.  Did she really need to talk to Kevin during the play? It's not like Dave was actively hurting anyone. She should have let him finish watching it.  And maybe she could let herself be seen by Amy and Reese with a cover story of being Kevin's new therapist or something. Then he doesn't look crazy and the secret of the righteous is protected.

13 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I was confused by the circumstances of the play. Kristen made it sound like the school was providing the fancy La Croix for the cast, but the "theater" was just a bunch of metal folding chairs. My high school was the opposite. We had an actual theater with fixed seats but we were on our own for food. I also call bull shit on the kids eating pizza in their costumes. That's just asking for huge red tomato stains.

We had an actual theater in my high school too. I could buy having folding chairs, but there was almost no one there, despite the chief of police telling all his employees to go. I think my elementary school play had more people in attendance. 

[possibilities]

Amy has some job that flies helicopters to pick her up on  her front lawn in the middle of the night. I bet she has a pretty high security clearance for that, and can keep a secret. Also, they introduced the triangle with a theology expert, so I figure at some point they're planning to have Kevin tell his family and to enlarge the team. I really like the cop, though, and I really hate triangles. So I hope they find a way to capitalize on all the characters without being too annoying.

Dave was lazy and unhelpful when he didn't get the guy out of the car for his art showing, though. So he may have a point, but he's not all good, either.

I actually like it that it's not a case of "angels and demons" but a case of fallible beings who are sometimes confused or ambivalent or who make bad choices even if they're not all bad. It makes them seem like they come from another dimension and have various powers that humans don't have, but it introduces a parity and sameness in terms of moral development or general character potential.

I actually find Amy to be the least interesting person on the show. They need to do something with her that's interesting, and soon.

Reese doesn't seem to have any friends.

Edited December 7, 2017 by possibilities

[eurekagirl mOo]

Liked the first ones. Now I'm getting bored. What are the righteous? Why does he have to find them? EXPLAIN things please!! This is the same thing week after week. I love Ritter but this show needs help and fast. 

[sjohnson]

Watching it solely for Ritter hijinks is watching a one hour comedy. One hour comedies are always kind of flabby. They have to add something, like SG-1 added action/adventure. But whatever they add, like SG-1 it needs to be tolerably well done in its own right. My opinion only.

[jhlipton]

On 12/6/2017 at 4:29 PM, KaveDweller said:

there was almost no one there, despite the chief of police telling all his employees to go.

You had the same chief Nate does!

[MoreCoffeePlease]

I'm surprised they didn't do the classic date move of "let me help you with your golf swing by standing behind you and wrapping my arms around you".  But since Amy was better at mini-golf than her date, I guess it wouldn't have made that much sense.  I like that Amy has the teacher-woman to chat with.  (I'm terrible at character names.)

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Loved Kevin's descriptions of all the paintings he knows. Screamy face!

This was cute. What were some of the other ones?  Artist guy was a drag though.  I can see not having self-confidence, but he was just a downer in general.

[jhlipton]

6 hours ago, MoreCoffeePlease said:

What were some of the other ones? 

"Mona Lisa" -- he knows one title!!!!

"Soup Can" -- Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup

"Screamy Face" -- Munch's "The Scream"

"People in the Park Made Out of Dots" -- Georges Seurat's "A Sunday on La Grande Jatte"

"Melty Watches" -- Dali's "The Persistence of Time"

Edited December 8, 2017 by jhlipton
Add Mona Lisa and fix Dots

[jbrecken]

Is it significant that the three "Angels" we've seen: Yvette, Ava, and Dave all have the letter V in their name?  (And for that matter, so does Kevin)

[ketose]

If Reese knew, it really would be like Joan of Arcadia.

This also kind of re-enforces that Kevin is pretty much the universe's puppet. Even when Dave ruined the mission, Kevin just had his own show and got literally the only clue he needed. Too bad he has no money to go to Laos after giving it all away.

[sjohnson]

I had been expecting the big reveal was that Amy was supposed to be the one Yvette was guiding. But this show is so wild, in the way it keeps changing up the premises, even if on the surface it's a leisurely "Watch Kevin screw up!" show, I don't know where they'll go. Alien non-corporeal mind reading intelligences carried by meteors, targeting Amy,  would best fit an alien conquest plot. Then they read the mind of weird Kevin and get really deranged, but much nicer? That seems far fetched even for this show. 

On the other hand, Kevin announcing that Ignacio is back to uncool foreshadows him being an agent of the Devil? But unlike the meteors, he's not confused and is going after the correct target, Amy? 

They're awfully close, for me at least, of falling into the "if anything can happen, nothing matters" trap.

Edited December 11, 2017 by sjohnson

[theatremouse]

On 12/9/2017 at 11:49 PM, jbrecken said:

Is it significant that the three "Angels" we've seen: Yvette, Ava, and Dave all have the letter V in their name?  (And for that matter, so does Kevin)

Hadn't thought of that. Are you suggesting they're making a reference to the miniseries V?

[jbrecken]

5 hours ago, theatremouse said:

Hadn't thought of that. Are you suggesting they're making a reference to the miniseries V?

I don't know.  I looked it up and in  Kabbalah numerology, V corresponds to the number 6, which is the square root of the number of righteous.  Coincidence?

[Anela]

19 hours ago, sjohnson said:

I had been expecting the big reveal was that Amy was supposed to be the one Yvette was guiding. But this show is so wild, in the way it keeps changing up the premises, even if on the surface it's a leisurely "Watch Kevin screw up!" show, I don't know where they'll go. Alien non-corporeal mind reading intelligences carried by meteors, targeting Amy,  would best fit an alien conquest plot. Then they read the mind of weird Kevin and get really deranged, but much nicer? That seems far fetched even for this show. 

On the other hand, Kevin announcing that Ignacio is back to uncool foreshadows him being an agent of the Devil? But unlike the meteors, he's not confused and is going after the correct target, Amy? 

They're awfully close, for me at least, of falling into the "if anything can happen, nothing matters" trap.

Why did he say that he was uncool?

I didn't really buy her daughter being so okay with her mum dating. Probably projecting, though. I thought Kevin was more sensitive there, than her mother, but of course she'd be defensive. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Anela

[jhlipton]

15 hours ago, Anela said:

Why did he say that he was uncool?

He teaches Theology and [the other thing].

[Machiabelly]

I loved this episode. I hope this show sticks around 

[sjohnson]

Yvette dancing with Tyler!

Past subjects reappearing! 

Amy goes out of her way to friend-zone Nate with the excuse of not being ready, then doffs the ring!

The first righteous is a baby! 

Didn't see one of them coming, not real happy with Amy. 

It seems odd to me that The Good Place which is still monkeying around with a deranged universe/God who works on a demerit system without noticing how superficial that is, gets so much buzz, but this doesn't. 

[Bobbin]

1 hour ago, sjohnson said:

Past subjects reappearing!

Cool! Like on Person of Interest when in the end, when all seemed lost, the people Finch had helped along the way reappeared to help and to take up the torch.

Very satisfying episode. Yvette and Kevin both arrived at the same conclusion: every good deed, every act of kindness and generosity, has merit and makes the world a better place.

Merry Christmas / Happy Hanukka, all. 

[justmehere]

I also really enjoyed this episode.

-The good that Kevin did came back around with lovely synchronicity.

-Yvette, who was still hard to like for the first part (now limiting Kevin because of her self-doubt and projecting onto him), finally softened.

-Loved that the first righteous they found was a newborn. And loved that the other angel-lady showed up as her guide.

-Tyler continues to be his amazing, positive self. Not sure how I feel about the flirtation with Yvette, but she did lighten up.

-Nate's still a really good guy. I saw the "friend zone" as a temporary situation. Amy said it was good that she realized with the other guy that she wasn't ready to date, meaning that she was glad she hadn't squandered the opportunity with Nate. The door was still open, even if she wasn't quite ready to go through it.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Sam: You gave me a new lease on life. I gave you a breakfast burrito.
Kevin: So now we're even.

Amy: I stopped at ten thousand lights. I thought that was a good threshold between classy and insane.
Kevin: I mean, is it though?

[Yvette looks at Kevin's passport photo]
Yvette: Ugh, very unfortunate.
Kevin: I was going for serial killer mugshot, so success.

Kevin: Are you coming on the plane or are you just magic traveling [to Laos]?

Tyler: It's always nice to meet another American.
Yvette: Oh, I'm not from there.
Tyler: Ah, Canadian, eh? Rad. I love poutine.
Yvette: Are you always this happy?
Tyler: Well, I'm drinking a fruity cocktail sitting next to  beautiful lady. Why wouldn't I be happy?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

This was a great Christmas episode, full of warm fuzzies that were perfect for this show. My favorite thing was the people who Kevin had helped before running into him and helping him. As they said on Joan of Arcadia: ripples.

And like JoA, I liked that this episode illustrated that the journey isn't always necessarily going from Point A to Point B. Kevin's visions told him what to look for, but finding the next righteous soul wasn't as simple as going to Laos and finding a guy in a red hat and a red jacket. He had to let the experience unfold because life is more like a Rube Goldberg contraption than going in a straight line.

One of the things I love about this show is Tyler because, like Jason on The Good Place, he is delighted by everyday things that other people take for granted or don't notice. My goal in life is to be as blissful as Tyler is!

It was a nice turnaround to have Kevin so certain of his mission while Yvette was losing her faith. Even if Kevin hadn't figured out that the baby was the next righteous soul, they should both feel good that Kevin has helped other people (as we were reminded by Sam and Ben telling us how Kevin made their lives better), and that in turn makes the world a better place.

My one nitpick was Reese and Amy both assuming that wearing a wedding ring means someone isn't ready to move on. You can still love someone and honor their memory and wear a piece of jewery AND move on. But it's tv so we have to have the scene where she takes off her ring and puts it in a drawer.

I love that the first box of Christmas decorations was labeled 1 of 173.

[sjohnson]

My feeling about the ring is that taking it off when there's no one to move on to is taking it off to make dating easier.  Don't think getting laid is an essential aspect of moving on.

[Caseysgirl]

I don't know why this show isn't more popular; I dare say I will watch this before "The Good Place" or "This is Us".  I like the characters more and with each episode I am more engaged. The other two shows I mentioned started strong but are losing me now.