All Episodes Talk: Small World, Big Lives

[seasons]

On 6/2/2021 at 11:35 AM, chediavolo said:

My heart aches for these 2 children and all the surgeries They will have to go through, all the mental and emotional and physical problems they are going to have in life. Lila does not look well at all and I thought it was very odd that When Amy asked how her doctors appointment went Tori said it’s fine except for the eye issue. Last week she said Lila was behind in some ways. It does seem that she is very slowly progressing for her age. Also her head is quite large & not having seen a lot of dwarfs in my life except on the show it seems to be abnormally so?. If I’m wrong I apologize.  Tori & Zack  both have a lifetime of problems ahead of them as it stands. it will be interesting to see future pregnancies or not. 

Agreed. Also, if Jackson is three years old, I hope he is talking more off-camera. His speech seems very limited. I've noticed it before. 

Yes, I know kids all develop at their own pace.😉

Edited June 8, 2021 by seasons

[LucyEth]

9 hours ago, seasons said:

Agreed. Also, if Jackson is three years old, I hope he is talking more off-camera. His speech seems very limited. I've noticed it before. 

Yes, I know kids all develop at their own pace.

He just turned 4.  

[SongbirdHollow]

Matt: I’m going to bury treasure for you to dig up!

Jackson: Ok, where the hell is the backhoe?

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Jackson is adorable as I have said a few times.  He was bang on to Matt when he said dig up the treasures with a backhoe?!  LOL

Lilah is holding her head up so I think she was just slower than Jackson to figure it out and strengthen those neck muscles.  Lilah was shown pushing a stroller or something on Instagram recently so she is progressing.  It is hard to believe this was all filmed last year.

Caryn is awfully supportive of Matt so I can see why he is happier with her.  Amy was always the sourpuss and wet blanket on everything.

I am glad Tori went with Jackson to the doctor and Zach ended up being happy about that if only one parent could go due to covid.  I think they respect each other a lot.  

Well finally Amy appeared to be making some moves towards reducing the clutter she insists on keeping  As she stated she doesn’t even know what is in the boxes!  Her side of the office was so disorganized.  She keeps her house the same way she approaches her cooking videos, her mind all over the place.

[Jeanne222]

I think it will be on Zack and Tori to keep the show going!  Can they do it?

Say what you must about Matt but he always had something going on even if it was fighting with Amy!

I don’t see Zack in the lead roll but more like an extra like he is right now!

[LucyEth]

24 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

I think it will be on Zack and Tori to keep the show going!  Can they do it?

Say what you must about Matt but he always had something going on even if it was fighting with Amy!

I don’t see Zack in the lead roll but more like an extra like he is right now!

I saw talk of a spinoff for Zach and Tori on some of those gossip pages.

[Jeanne222]

I went over and looked at the Zack and Tori topic!

Very little activity there other than Jackson talk.V

I still think Matt and Amy have to carry this show!

Maybe that's why Matt isn't releasing the big house to anybody until somebody clicks with John A Public and the shows a go.

I'm thinking if the show folds Matt could sell the big house property but with Zack and family living there it could get messy!

[Joan of Argh]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

I went over and looked at the Zack and Tori topic!

Very little activity there other than Jackson talk.V

I still think Matt and Amy have to carry this show!

Maybe that's why Matt isn't releasing the big house to anybody until somebody clicks with John A Public and the shows a go.

I'm thinking if the show folds Matt could sell the big house property but with Zack and family living there it could get messy!

I like Tori but I’m finding that less is more where she’s concerned .

she’s starting to get a little full of herself and seems to think she’s funnier, cooler, more important than she actually is.

she’s very sarcastic and it often comes across as mean instead of funny.

If it wasn’t for Matt and Amy and the show Tori would have to work full time and support the family because Zach can’t earn enough to support a family coaching kids soccer, they wouldn’t be able to sit at home and argue about who takes the kid to a doctor appointment, they wouldn’t have a newly renovated house, regular vacations and trips to Disneyland, new expensive furniture, nice vehicles, every expensive toy, scooter, mini cars and over the top birthdays for their kids.

I’m not the least bit interested in Zach playing the part of the guy who’ll go head to head against Matt when it comes to projects and budget.... I don’t know why TLC always wants the family squabbling... I found it annoying when it was Matt and Amy and it will be even more annoying with Zach in Amy’s shoes and way less believable since we know that Matt doesn’t need Zachs approval to do anything.

[EllaWycliffe]

18 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

I found it annoying when it was Matt and Amy and it will be even more annoying with Zach in Amy’s shoes and way less believable since we know that Matt doesn’t need Zachs approval to do anything.

Matt always needs someone to blame. He sure isn't going to concede *he* makes errors in judgement. 

20 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

she’s starting to get a little full of herself and seems to think she’s funnier, cooler, more important than she actually is.

she’s very sarcastic and it often comes across as mean instead of funny.

Agreed but I think thats the nature of this show lately.

21 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

If it wasn’t for Matt and Amy and the show Tori would have to work full time and support the family because Zach can’t earn enough to support a family coaching kids soccer, they wouldn’t be able to sit at home and argue about who takes the kid to a doctor appointment, they wouldn’t have a newly renovated house, regular vacations and trips to Disneyland, new expensive furniture, nice vehicles, every expensive toy, scooter, mini cars and over the top birthdays for their kids.

I don't think she's been terribly disrespectful. I also sure wouldn't want to be in the position where people assume I'd have nothing if my in laws didn't do x, y and z years before I joined the family. I do get your point, Joan, I just don't need to see Zach and Tory do a "Full disclosure, we're NOTHING, Matt and Amy did it all and we are just riding their coattails and are losers" on every episode.

Nor do I think thats the case. To be honest, I think the show has lasted as long as it has because Tory and Zach provide a storyline about children. No grandkids, no Matt projects about how he loves the grandkids. No Tory and Zach, then no storylines about anything other than bitchy older couples. 

I don't think being a reality show whore is a great job but they do it, they deserve the pay they earn for continuing to allow the cameras to film, and while Amy and Matt are owed their thanks, I don't think they have to spend the rest of their lives groveling their thankfulness - I doubt there'd be a show with just Matt and Amy. 

[BodhiGurl]

Suspending the thought that the "making room for Chris" is scripted to an extent, what really is the big deal for Amy to clear out those boxes in the garage? There aren't that many - and what exactly is she doing that prohibits her from just dealing with them? Why would it take weeks/months to go through what looks like MAYBE 2 hours of work???  And why didn't she opt for a home that had storage given her proclivity for holding on to stuff? Are basements not a thing in Oregon where she lives? If not, why not a garage with lofted storage/an attic? I get that her clutter is a deeper issue that she's apparently still not ready to confront - but it's just so weird that she won't go through that small amount of stuff at this stage of the game. The worst part - boxing up her large home - is over. There's a part of me that feels like either her and Chris need a larger home together, or they simply need to be "forever engaged" and not live together. Honestly I feel like Amy needs to enjoy her home on her own for some time to come. Overall I've not minded Amy over the years and felt that her toxic relationship with Matt is why she's often crabby etc. Also why she is having a tough time making room for Chris - she finally has her own space that Matt can't direct (I do think that's part of what's behind her clutter as well). She may be worried Chris will take over like Matt would. 

On the "Gold digger" episode, at least we got to see some of Matt and Caryn NOT talking about Amy. If she is indeed in a relationship with Matt because of who he is - I wish we saw more of that Matt because all these years watching this show - one thing I know, Matt would drive me insane. It's all about him - I guess if you are ok with that, then he may be "the one". I just don't get that vibe from Caryn, but who knows. Perhaps there is an entire side of their relationship and Matt that we simply have never seen. I find that hard to believe given how long this show has been on the air, and the fact that two of his four kids moved fairly far away, AND that we don't see golden child Jer on the show anymore, might have something to do with getting a bit away from Matt and the farm.

[LucyEth]

30 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

AND that we don't see golden child Jer on the show anymore, might have something to do with getting a bit away from Matt and the farm.

Jeremy and Audrey tried to buy Amy's portion of the farm. That would bring them even closer to Matt.  I don't think any of their children are trying to get away from either of them.  They are just living their own lives and going where ever that takes them.  

[EllaWycliffe]

1 minute ago, BodhiGurl said:

She may be worried Chris will take over like Matt would. 

I think the boxes in the garage was a fake storyline but I do wonder if she's really ready to have a fixed relationship again, where the man doesn't go away when she's not in the mood for him to be around.

17 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

On the "Gold digger" episode, at least we got to see some of Matt and Caryn NOT talking about Amy. If she is indeed in a relationship with Matt because of who he is - I wish we saw more of that Matt because all these years watching this show - one thing I know, Matt would drive me insane.

Yeah, the whole Caryn/Matt thing is almost completely off screen. They say they are dating (and I do believe they're in a relationship) but all we see is Caryn following three steps behind and saying yes to Matt. We rarely see them out with friends. I can recall one occasion they did something only Caryn wanted to do - go to the beach - and Matt was his typical whiny baby "I wanna be on my farm!" toddler self and it never happened again. I see what Matt gets out of the relationship - sex, a pretty woman on his arm, a great big "Haha fuck you" to Amy, and someone to tend the house and grandchildren, and I can financially see what Caryn gets out of it - financial stability, fun trips, and if you're kissing his ass, I suspect Matt is fun to be around, but I very much get the vibe that Matt does not tolerate much rebellion from the basic rule of "Matt's way or get the fuck out".

As presented on tv, Caryn and Matt are perfectly happy and Caryn never crosses Matt and if Matt loves projects then Caryn is "rah rah projects!" and if Matt wants x then Caryn wants x, and it seems kind of like a fake presentation. But then, we only see Matt and Caryn on the farm, and rarely at that. So it is really hard to see where the love is.

1 hour ago, BodhiGurl said:

I find that hard to believe given how long this show has been on the air, and the fact that two of his four kids moved fairly far away, AND that we don't see golden child Jer on the show anymore, might have something to do with getting a bit away from Matt and the farm.

I think Jacob lives in Bend now so he's still fairly close but agree, Jacob and Molly are off the show and well away because they tired of the show drama and the family drama (not blaming it just on Matt)

Golden boy Jer is a different situation, I think Jeremy has displeased Matt in his unwillingness to be another Caryn, and say "Yes Dad, great idea Dad, whatever you say, Dad" over the farm. I also think Audrey has her claws pretty firmly sunken in, and Matt knows an adversary who will fuck over a cripple when she sees one in her way, and doesn't want Audrey getting a toe hold on the farm, because give that hardworking manic little bitch a toehold and she will take the farm and all the games Matt played with Amy won't work. 

As it is, Jer and Auj have been going on about the "death of our dream" over the farm, and dramatically flounced off to Hawaii on a "social media break" to avoid questions about why Zach and Tory are suddenly the heirs apparent.

[floridamom]

We will only know if Caryn isn't a gold digger and just loves Matt for who he is if he proposes to  her and has her sign a prenup which states that only Matt's children will inherit everything and Caryn gets nothing but what she has earned on her own in life. We'll know then. This, I think will never come to be as I highly doubt that Matt will remarry anyone.

Oops, meant to type ....that Matt will marry anyone.

[Jeanne222]

1 minute ago, floridamom said:

We will only know if Caryn isn't a gold digger and just loves Matt for who he is if he proposes to  her and has her sign a prenup which states that only Matt's children will inherit everything and Caryn gets nothing but what she has earned on her own in life. We'll know then. This, I think will never come to be as I highly doubt that Matt will remarry anyone.

As I stated earlier I think they are already married but I guess we'll see.

I had friends that remarried after their spouses with long marriages died.  They set it up that everything they each owned on wedding day  went to respective spouses children.

Everything they saved and acquired together became community property.  I thought that fair.

 

[readheaded]

2 hours ago, floridamom said:

We will only know if Caryn isn't a gold digger and just loves Matt for who he is if he proposes to  her and has her sign a prenup which states that only Matt's children will inherit everything and Caryn gets nothing but what she has earned on her own in life. We'll know then. This, I think will never come to be as I highly doubt that Matt will remarry anyone.

Oops, meant to type ....that Matt will marry anyone.

I have to say that I chuckled at Caryn talking about being a gold digger. She clearly seen the public speculation and it must bother her. So, while she’s slowly inserting herself as queen of the farm (notice she was part of the “we” allowing Amy to use the farm for the wedding), there’s a part of her who knows that many of us know what she really is. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by readheaded

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, floridamom said:

has her sign a prenup which states that only Matt's children will inherit everything and Caryn gets nothing but what she has earned on her own in life.

I wouldn’t sign that, and I’m not a gold digger. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Jeanne222]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I wouldn’t sign that, and I’m not a gold digger. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Agree.  If you’re marrying somebody you love you want to provide for them just like you provided for your ex and continue providing for your children. 

[LucyEth]

5 minutes ago, DonnaMae said:

No one on this forum knows what she really is.  Everyone is just speculating.  Matt obviously cares a great deal for her and she's great with the grandchildren, so let's give her a break.

I agree  

[EllaWycliffe]

I mean sure but this sort of response in the other threads, say the Amy thread, is met with "we have the right to have opinions". Why is Caryn being a good digger hands off?

[stoppro]

no breaks for anyone in this clown circus- they are all part of this self inflicted wound of a show

Edited June 7, 2021 by stoppro

[SunnyBeBe]

Caryn may love Matt for who he is as a person AND admire his accomplishments.  You look at he whole package. Older adults marry for many reasons...companionship, security, etc.  it doesn’t scream gold digging to me.  Of course, a prenuptial wouldn’t hurt. In their situation, it would likely include provisions to provide for her support and a place to live for the rest of her life, if they divorce or Matt dies or becomes further disabled.

Edited June 7, 2021 by SunnyBeBe

[DonnaMae]

Good post, SunnyBeBe.  I agree.

[EllaWycliffe]

12 hours ago, readheaded said:

I have to say that I chuckled at Caryn talking about being a gold digger. She clearly seen the public speculation and it must bother her.

I think no one wants to be called a gold digger but she fits a lot of the obvious parameters - she's dating her divorced boss, he's wealthy, not that attractive and in poor health and her lifestyle has dramatically improved since the relationship began.

 

12 hours ago, readheaded said:

So, while she’s slowly inserting herself as queen of the farm (notice she was part of the “we” allowing Amy to use the farm for the wedding),

I did notice that, that "we" and not "Matt" were making that offer - all the more reason Amy should say no to little miss "Amy and I WERE FRIENDS! I could never live in her house BECAUSE OUR FRIENDSHIP"

12 hours ago, readheaded said:

there’s a part of her who knows that many of us know what she really is. 

Agreed, although I will say I don't think Caryn deserves all the heat over the affair/possible affair. Matt was married, Matt should have known better, the women in his life are not responsible for his bad choices.

That said, I don't especially care for her because she's a shitty friend. How do I know that? She goes on all the time how Amy is her friend and how she's being so reasonable over x, y and z because they were such great friends, and why is Amy mad when they were such good friends....  And like, Caryn is that "friend" who smiles and nods at you and then starts dating your husband as soon as the ink is dry on the divorce papers. That's what the self professed, said many times on this show "Friend of Amy" did. Matt should have known better than to hook up with his *long term employee* as soon as he divorced... but Caryn is also an adult and should have had some understanding that "I'm dating my boss, who is my friend's recently divorced husband!" just might not bring on the "how lovely!' praise.

Caryn's called herself Amy's friend many times. Where I live? A friend who starts dating my ex as soon as he's legally free is a backstabbing bitch of a friend. And that's ignoring ALL of the affair prior talk, that's based on Caryn's on show whining how she's just been a great pal and friend to Amy. Friends don't fuck your ex. 

[Dustbunny]

7 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I mean sure but this sort of response in the other threads, say the Amy thread, is met with "we have the right to have opinions". Why is Caryn being a good digger hands off?

I think there's a difference between having an opinion about someone and their motives and coming out and saying "we KNOW why someone is doing X, Y or Z"

saying that we KNOW Caryn is a gold digger is like saying that we KNOW Chris is a gold digger.... we don't KNOW either but we have our own opinion of what we THINK their motives might be.

The only people who KNOW what Caryn and Chris's motives are... are Caryn and Chris.

Personally I have a hard time believing that Caryn isn't a gold digger to some degree but it's just my opinion because I don't know what's going on inside her head.... same for Chris.

[readheaded]

56 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I think no one wants to be called a gold digger but she fits a lot of the obvious parameters - she's dating her divorced boss, he's wealthy, not that attractive and in poor health and her lifestyle has dramatically improved since the relationship began.

 

I did notice that, that "we" and not "Matt" were making that offer - all the more reason Amy should say no to little miss "Amy and I WERE FRIENDS! I could never live in her house BECAUSE OUR FRIENDSHIP"

Agreed, although I will say I don't think Caryn deserves all the heat over the affair/possible affair. Matt was married, Matt should have known better, the women in his life are not responsible for his bad choices.

That said, I don't especially care for her because she's a shitty friend. How do I know that? She goes on all the time how Amy is her friend and how she's being so reasonable over x, y and z because they were such great friends, and why is Amy mad when they were such good friends....  And like, Caryn is that "friend" who smiles and nods at you and then starts dating your husband as soon as the ink is dry on the divorce papers. That's what the self professed, said many times on this show "Friend of Amy" did. Matt should have known better than to hook up with his *long term employee* as soon as he divorced... but Caryn is also an adult and should have had some understanding that "I'm dating my boss, who is my friend's recently divorced husband!" just might not bring on the "how lovely!' praise.

Caryn's called herself Amy's friend many times. Where I live? A friend who starts dating my ex as soon as he's legally free is a backstabbing bitch of a friend. And that's ignoring ALL of the affair prior talk, that's based on Caryn's on show whining how she's just been a great pal and friend to Amy. Friends don't fuck your ex. 

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame only Caryn for the affair. Matt’s the person who took vows and broke them. I brought up Caryn because of her whole “I’m not a gold digger” soliloquy. 

1 minute ago, Dustbunny said:

I think there's a difference between having an opinion about someone and their motives and coming out and saying "we KNOW why someone is doing X, Y or Z"

saying that we KNOW Caryn is a gold digger is like saying that we KNOW Chris is a gold digger.... we don't KNOW either but we have our own opinion of what we THINK their motives might be.

The only people who KNOW what Caryn and Chris's motives are... are Caryn and Chris.

Personally I have a hard time believing that Caryn isn't a gold digger to some degree but it's just my opinion because I don't know what's going on inside her head.... same for Chris.

Is it better if I just say that MY OPINION of Caryn is that she’s a disingenuous, gold-digging piece of trash? Good Lord. 

[EllaWycliffe]

Yeah my opinion of Caryn is based on her actions where she snots how she's Amy's friend and she's the back stabbing bitch who started up banging Amy's ex as soon as the divorce papers were dry. 

7 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

The only people who KNOW what Caryn and Chris's motives are... are Caryn and Chris.

I think this is quibbling so Amy can continue to be cheerfully targeted while Caryn is treated like a hands off precious little princess who can't be criticized we can never really know her. 

How can we KNOW any of the participants?

[Dustbunny]

9 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I think this is quibbling so Amy can continue to be cheerfully targeted while Caryn is treated like a hands off precious little princess who can't be criticized we can never really know her. 

How can we KNOW any of the participants?

Who treats her like a hands off precious princess??

I certainly don't and I've seen others on this forum say they think she's probably a gold digger and other less than positive comments.

I've shit on Caryn plenty of times and if she was as public as Amy is on youtube, facebook, instagram, writing books etc... I would probably shit on her a lot more because there'd be a lot more to comment on.

I don't care about any of them, Matt included

They are all adults who CHOOSE to live their lives in public in exchange for money.

 

[Dustbunny]

1 minute ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Here:

No one else gets a break. I would get shouted down about how everyone has a right to post what they feel about Amy... but apparently Caryn is a different story. 

 

So do you feel she should be "given a break" and those opinions about her gold digger status should cease since no one can ever truly know? No? Then you're not demanding people treat her differently than other cast mates. 

No, she's an adult who has chosen to exchange her privacy for money.

Just MY opinion but to me they are ALL fair game including Caryn.

I've said that I thought she was a gold digger many times, I've also wondered about Chris's motives many times.

I don't believe in coddling adult celebrities even if they are Z list reality people.

[Spazamanaz]

OK here's my opinion... both relationships, Matt& Caryn and Amy&Chris are just for the show. It's really Matt and Chris in a relationship. They're just not ready to tell the world. 

[Scarlett45]

The #1 Rule here at Primetimer is Be Civil.

Disagreement and discussion is fine, attacking other posters for their opinions is not. 
 

When in doubt, your post should be focused on your opinion, not the opinion of other posters.  

[EllaWycliffe]

1 hour ago, Spazamanaz said:

OK here's my opinion... both relationships, Matt& Caryn and Amy&Chris are just for the show. It's really Matt and Chris in a relationship. They're just not ready to tell the world. 

I dunno, my theory has always been that Chris and Caryn are long haul grifters who will ride away with all the booty, monetary or other :)

[Joan of Argh]

1 hour ago, Dustbunny said:

I've shit on Caryn plenty of times and if she was as public as Amy is on youtube, facebook, instagram, writing books etc... I would probably shit on her a lot more because there'd be a lot more to comment on.

I don't care about any of them, Matt included

They are all adults who CHOOSE to live their lives in public in exchange for money.

 

I know Amy fans don’t like that Amy gets the lions share of criticism but she’s also the one who is the most visible.

She’s on the TV show like the others but a day barely ever goes by without 2 or 3 posts from Amy, she posts her cooking videos, she promotes her fudge, aprons, tea towels, posters, books, jewelry, recipes, she regularly does her IG LIVES with Lisa, she posts her daily activities like walking with Felix or projects with Chris, she even posts about herself and HER MAN when they vacation or go see his family, she posts about her wedding, she’s on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram etc and a lot of her posts leave her open to criticism. 

If Matt and Caryn were posting Mr FixIt videos with Matt doing a half assed job of fixing things around the house and yard or Caryn cooking or doing crafts Or some other activity I’m sure people would have lots to say.... a while back On the show Caryn was cooking Matt some bacon and Amy fans went on and on about Caryn using a metal fork in a non-stick pan, some people on Instagram were hyping themselves into a frenzy about someone being so stupid to use a metal utensil in a no stick pan even though most newer non-stick pans are ok with metal utensils.

Matt and Caryn post but it’s a fraction of the amount that Amy does with her super CLOSE-UP selfies and everything else.

Jer and Auj left the show because of all the negative feedback and the critical posts about them dropped significantly because there wasn’t as much to snark on until they started writing books as marriage experts 😂 

Molly and Jacob live fairly private lives and don’t get much coverage at all unless they post something.

Amy could do the same if she doesn’t like her feedback, no one is forcing her to post on a daily basis and do the TV show.

[Joan of Argh]

14 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I dunno, my theory has always been that Chris and Caryn are long haul grifters who will ride away with all the booty, monetary or other :)

Omg wouldn’t that be something 😂

What if Chris and Caryn are secretly a grifter couple or is that what you meant? 

[EllaWycliffe]

That's what I mean ;)

[Spazamanaz]

Just now, EllaWycliffe said:

I dunno, my theory has always been that Chris and Caryn are long haul grifters who will ride away with all the booty, monetary or other :)

That theory has crossed my mind as well. I thought wouldn't it be funny if Chris and Caryn fell in love and lived happily ever after on the farm with their own projects. She can start her own youtube cooking show with garlic & paprika, and Chris can drive around on the mule dreaming big! 

[Dustbunny]

20 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

That's what I mean ;)

They need to hire you to give them some ideas, I'd watch the hell out of that!

It's amazingly evil and delicious 😂

 

[SunnyBeBe]

53 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

They need to hire you to give them some ideas, I'd watch the hell out of that!

It's amazingly evil and delicious 😂

 

That would turn into a Lifetime movie.😂

[SunnyBeBe]

Or, an episode of Snapped!🙀

[Irate Panda]

A while back, I made a joke about Chris and Caryn running off together (glad others had a similar off the wall thought lol), I mean I don’t actually expect that to happen, but did find it comical in that I could see them bonding over feeling like they were both caught in a hoarders episode. They could admit to zoning out thinking about their respective happy places when Matt pines over one of his dilapidated structures or Amy says she needs 8 months to sort through 2 shoeboxes worth of stuff.  

I don’t know if Caryn and Chris are gold diggers, but quite frankly I’m not even mad if they are.  Hell, I feel like Amy and Matt owe me a little stipend for watching this show.  I’m not even going to get into how much Amy’s Little Kichen owes me for watching those cooking videos 😂. 

I do think Caryn and Chris make Matt and Amy more palatable because the Roloffs  both seem awful in different ways, so for their sake I hope they are as happy as they seem on the show and IG. Although a phony storyline on a reality show wouldn’t be a first, so maybe the series finale could end with Cha Cha and MY MAN living it up with special appearances by Auj and Jer pouting and staring angrily from a distance LOL 😂 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Irate Panda

[Joan of Argh]

23 minutes ago, Irate Panda said:

I do think Caryn and Chris make Matt and Amy more palatable because the Roloffs  both seem awful in different ways,

I loved your entire post but this part really struck home..... Matt and Amy together are like a toxic waste dump.. there’s so much gut churning anger boiling and bubbling just below the surface that it’s hard to watch.

Matt blusters and blows while pushing Amy’s buttons and she snaps back like a rabid chihuahua

Chris and Caryn make them both better and more relaxed.

[EllaWycliffe]

3 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

Chris and Caryn make them both better and more relaxed.

Now remember that Chris and Caryn are secret lovers hoping to fleece both Matt and Amy! :D

[suev3333]

I'm sensing a lot of tug of war between Amy and Chris.  And they aren't even living together yet!   Made me really uncomfortable.   It's making me feel glad I'm divorced and on my own.  Because I'll be damned if some guy is gonna bitch when I leave a coffee cup or 2 around and dont clean them the second I'm done using it.   I don't understand people who have to have their homes so spotless that they don't even look lived in.  A home is to live in, be cozy in.   Not to be a show piece.   And of course I'm not talking about dirty, really messy homes. That's bad too.    It's just my opinion I guess, but man....life is too short.  There's a reason why Chris has never been married.  I'd be wary, he seems to have some OCD controlling issues.  You can tell he doesn't want to give up his house/bachelor pad.   I don't feel good about these two lasting long together .  Just keep your own places and date.  That way you'll even have a chance to miss one another.  Just my humble opinion, after my experience of being married 25+ years, and being on my own for a few years now.  

[suev3333]

On 6/2/2021 at 12:06 PM, chediavolo said:

That sandbox that Matt buried “treasures” in, looks like a death trap

am I missing something?  Are those kids supposed to tunnel through there like their coal miners someday?!

😄😆. You win for best comment of the week! 🏆

Or the one that made me laugh the most... lol

[suev3333]

On 6/3/2021 at 2:23 PM, Foghorn Leghorn said:

am glad Tori went with Jackson to the doctor and Zach ended up being happy about that if only one parent could go due to covid.  I think they respect each other a lot.  

I wondered why Zach couldn't be there by virtually by tablet/phone for the whole appointment?  There's a lot of virtual appts going on.  I'd want to be there at least that way 🤔

[Spazamanaz]

2 hours ago, suev3333 said:

I'm sensing a lot of tug of war between Amy and Chris.  And they aren't even living together yet!   Made me really uncomfortable.   It's making me feel glad I'm divorced and on my own.  Because I'll be damned if some guy is gonna bitch when I leave a coffee cup or 2 around and dont clean them the second I'm done using it.   I don't understand people who have to have their homes so spotless that they don't even look lived in.  A home is to live in, be cozy in.   Not to be a show piece.   And of course I'm not talking about dirty, really messy homes. That's bad too.    It's just my opinion I guess, but man....life is too short.  There's a reason why Chris has never been married.  I'd be wary, he seems to have some OCD controlling issues.  You can tell he doesn't want to give up his house/bachelor pad.   I don't feel good about these two lasting long together .  Just keep your own places and date.  That way you'll even have a chance to miss one another.  Just my humble opinion, after my experience of being married 25+ years, and being on my own for a few years now.  

You are so right, I completely agree with everything you've said. I also do think that Chris has OCD/ controlling issues, and I think it will just get worse for the two if them. He'll be nagging and complaining of every little 'mess', like a couple of coffee cups on the counter, and she will be 'invading' his space with her piles of crap.

I can't see this relationship lasting, and I hate to say that, but they are too different and don't seem to share much in common. They should just live in their own houses and date. After a date she can go back to her piles of boxes and coffee cups  and he can go home and disinfect  his house with Lysol wipes.

[DonnaMae]

Apparently Chris did sell his house and they are now living together.  What you have been watching on TV was filmed last year.  

[EllaWycliffe]

New episode up at Discovery+!

So we start with Matt playing with Jackson on the farm. Caryn is planning the pandemic pumpkin season, with reservations and restrictions. Caryn notes how she had to take a step back "to keep the peace" but is now back in the middle of it because banging the boss is only is inappropriate when the ex wife is around. She says she's married to a guy with the pumpkin patch and there's weirdness between her and Matt about whether they are married or not and if marriage will ever happen. Meanwhile, Matt's pumpkin manager is his girlfriend. Wait, not really his pumpkin manager but kinda sorta because that's a professional way to run a business, to have your girlfriend handling things.

There's a whole endless discussion about wrist bands identifying paying customers and how they will throw out customers without wristbands and how the wristbands give entrance for only a certain time. Matt snots how Zach is going to need to step up but its also a tough year  blah blah blah. Matt, if you never give him anything other than easy tasks, he'll never learn. 

At Zach and Tory's - the kids are being cute. Tory and Zach discuss pumpkin season and how Matt's pretty much an ass over pumpkin season. They discuss Lilah's eye problem, which is strabismus.

Amy goes to see Matt at the farm. She's a little iffy about doing pumpkin season while not being in the business. Matt notes that pumpkin season is a month behind (despite Amy not being involved to fuck things up) Amy will indeed be a greeter. Amy goes on and on about how she's a guest on the farm. I'm a little get over it. They discuss photo posing in the time of Covid. Amy voices over how she's not wallowing over the farm and I laugh so hard.

2 days before pumpkin season. There's dinosaur statues. Zach is annoyed over the money spent. Matt notes how Zach hasn't been involved in the set up and Zach notes that Matt has his system already. Matt and Zach debate what taking over looks like - Matt pretty clearly wants everything done his way and Zach really does have a different style. Matt notes he will not hand the keys to the farm over unless he thinks Zach can run the farm. My prediction? Matt will never leave the farm.

Chris is slowly moving in. He helps Amy find her costumes for pumpkin season. The garage seems very organized btw. Then the costume stuff is all over. Amy goes on about how the whole last year was super stressful. Amy feels she does need to call ahead and not just pop in on the farm. 

Pumpkin season Day One - Matt notes how there was an online reservation and limited times, no wagon tours. Now there's a new Karen/Caryn who is the real farm manager but Caryn also runs things and I suddenly wonder if the new Karen is also Matt's lover. Matt wonders if Zach will ever be capable of running the farm. There's a walking tour with goats but Jackson lets go of the goat leash and there's goat chaos.

Amy whines how she's doing pumpkin season but has a different perspective. She goes on and on and honestly Amy, no one cares about your angst any more. Apparently she is indeed considering the farm for the wedding despite ALL of her nattering on the whole not welcome thing.

Caryn and Matt talk about how she's involved but not the farm manager but kinda is. There's no wagon tours, just a walking tour with the dinosaur statues. Zach does the private tours. Its very small crowds. Amy has fun with a cute little LP girl which is nice - cute kid too.

Oh look, Caryn giving Amy orders at Matt's behest. That's not intentionally awkward. Amy makes some amusing allusions to how long Matt and Caryn have been together. There's a debrief at the end of the day and all comments are positive. Apparently though, Matt's major idea of the dinosaurs got no reaction from the crowds.

Then Matt hangs out with Bob and Jodie who is a old childhood friend who lost touch but recently came back into Matt's life and there's goofing off around the farm attractions. Then everyone wears cowboy hats around the campfire and share stories. 

Second day of Pumpkin season - day one was 200 people so they might let more people in. Ahem. They weren't restricting sales despite Matt's comment, I remember checking the website. Amy and Chris discuss whether Matt will be building his dream home during that time that they will have their wedding as a construction site will be unpleasant. Matt  says they won't break ground until after the wedding. Really? That's odd.

Amy and Chris joke about having the back hoe in the wedding photos. More nattering on weather they should use the farm. Chris proposes he use Matt's place as a bachelor pad and its actually kind of a fun moment of teasing.

Zach does a tour. He has a problem with how Matt has the gates for the walking tour because it restricts him from doing the tour. Matt disagrees and notes the gates are up to stop people from wandering about. They argue and Matt notes that Zach is wrong and it will not change and Zach is not seeing the big picture because he can't possibly understand the business. Guess who Matt uses as his blame magnet now that Amy can't possibly affect his decisions about the farm? You guessed it - Zach is now Matt's dumbass opponent.

Eta - So now Matt's dreamhouse is on hold due to Amy's wedding. Good lord, Matt just keeps finding reasons for Amy to be in his life, doesn't he? For the record, I don't feel an ex husband is under any obligation to host the ex wife's wedding or to put his own home building on hold... but funny how Matt created this situation where his dreams are on hold due to Amy. 

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by EllaWycliffe

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m going to be quite disappointed if my prediction is wrong about the Farm wedding venue.  EllaWycliffe, I hope you’re around to narrate. 🤣

[Jeanne222]

I'm kind of curious why it takes so darn long to film then show it on tv.  Makes everything kind of backwards.  We are watching Chris maybe move into Amy's new house but we all know he sold his home and has moved in.  She even spoke of him leaving to do some filming for the show on her last chat with Lisa.

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[b4pjoe]

14 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Now remember that Chris and Caryn are secret lovers hoping to fleece both Matt and Amy! :D

I buy a ticket for that show. 😄