Paul & Karine: These Condoms Ain't For Sexin'

[mamadrama]

8 hours ago, magemaud said:

His horseshit shoveling job prepared him for poopy diaper changing. 

And he was fired from that!

[2dogmom]

I looked at tonantin on the map....wow it is really out there. at least if she goes home and takes Pierre, he can't easily just show up. 

he could just disappear somewhere out there and nobody would care. i imagine her dad can make that happen.

Edited July 23, 2020 by 2dogmom

[CrazyInAlabama]

I'm hoping that Karine goes back to Brazil, and her dad talks to some of his law enforcement buddies, and Pole will never be allowed in Brazil again.    I think someone said that Karine's parents moved closer to the big city.  

If Karine ever does decide to leave Pole, she better find a family emergency to go home to Brazil, and just never come back.  

Edited July 25, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[Arynm]

There is some serious shit going on with these 2. There was an IG Live that had Paul calling the cops on Karine and lots of allegations of DV and other things including Paul's mother saying Karine is Pregnant!

Here is a link to the Reddit page, lets hope that this is mostly made up, because it is very sad for anyone to live like this

I hope this is ok to post

[1011101010001]

Sharp should stop exploiting this couple.  They are both mentally ill.

[Mrs. Hanson]

42 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Sharp should stop exploiting this couple.  They are both mentally ill.

I agree.  I get the feeling Karine has one or two beers once a week after the baby is asleep and he calls her a problem drinker  And Karine, you ain't the best keeper of a home either so I would cool it with the name calling.

[Neurochick]

Don't know if that's made up from Reddit, but 90dayfiancetoday on Instagram had something similar from two hours ago.

 

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90dayfiancetoday Chaos at the Staehle household today
Paul took to IG live after Karine called the authorities.
Paul turned to Karine for her to tell her side of the story but she asked him to stop.
Paul frantically continued to air their dirty laundry including details about not renewing her green card, hinting at her giving him an STD, and accusing her of drinking beer while their son was around. His mom at some point in the live accuses her of having sex with someone while their son was on the bed.
Paul also accused Karine of domestic violence: shoving him.
Paul also confirmed that Karine is pregnant again.
The live ended with Karine requesting to be taken to a shelter, and Paul fighting to keep her from taking their son: debate as to who should keep custody since Karine is still nursing.

I hope this is okay to post. 

[2dogmom]

they are the gift that keeps on giving

[Christina]

Three slide summary:

43 minute YouTube video of his live:

 

None of this is new info, it just sounds like it came to a head when Pole found the conversation between Karine and an attorney in Brazil regarding custody and child support.

It was said by the girlfriend of the man Karine was caught sleeping with that her current pregnancy is from him, not Pole. That woman also said he gave her an STI and Karine and Pole should be checked. That man claimed the woman was an ex and he never had sex with Karine and the girlfriend is the one who befriended Karine because she felt sorry for her being stuck with Pole. They are the couple that took Karine to the place where you can fill out domestic violence petitions, which Karine photographed herself in front of and posted to her IG back at Christmas, resulting in another Pole rant about how Karine was cheating on him and wanted a divorce. 

They are absolutely exhausting. They both lie, they both have mental health issues, and need to separate for good, but will be back together tomorrow.

 

[greekmom]

Let's step back for a minute.

1. Why is Karine still taking STI tests? Is this a monthly routine that Paul requires?  Or was it that she suspected she has an STI?

2. Why does the whole house have cameras?  Is he that insecure?  Sharp hasn't indicated they will be on a future episode of HEA or anything.

3. Even Mother Paul said don't air your dirty laundry and what does Paul do? Airs his dirty laundry.  How does this work in his favour?

4. Paul with held Pierre's passport. That is controlling and cruel. 

Like the poster said above. These two people have mental health problems (probably manifested on a greater level due to covid) and need to get off television, social media, etc and deal with their issues.

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by greekmom

[libgirl2]

Karine needs to take that baby back to Brazil and let her parents raise him. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

Karine needs to get someone to call from Brazil with a phony message about her mother being the hospital, and circling the drain.    Then get on a plane with her son, and never come back.   However, since Pole is married to her, I don't know how she'll get Pierre on the plane too without Pole's consent.    If she's really serious about divorce, and staying in Brazil with Pierre, then get her dad to have Pole banned from entry to Brazil.  

What kind of sicko posts information online like Pole did about parentage, STI tests, has 24/7 cameras inside the house, and everything else?   My guess, it must be time to try to get another contract out of TLC, because that seems to be their pattern.   

Edited July 31, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[Elizzikra]

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1. Why is Karine still taking STI tests? Is this a monthly routine that Paul requires?  Or was it that she suspected she has an STI?

If she is pregnant, maybe it came up as part of her prenatal care?

[TwirlyGirly]

A recap:

'90 Day Fiancé' Stars Paul & Karine Involved In Massive Fight, Cops Called To Home

 

[mamadrama]

I saw the live stream as it was happening. I'm a former Crisis Intervention Specialist in the same state and I sit on the board of a domestic violence shelter 2 counties away from P & K.  The services also come with an advocate. So at the very least she would have safe housing, if desired, and someone who can help guide her through the American healthcare system. 

This was all very, very bad. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by mamadrama

[mamadrama]

7 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

If she is pregnant, maybe it came up as part of her prenatal care?

No, it's not. This is a Paul thing. One STI test is given at the first prenatal visit. Further tests are not part of general prenatal care here. Medicaid will not pay for further testing unless she's showing acute signs of disease. 

Making her submit to at-home STD tests is just another way to shame and manipulate. And because she's not familiar with prenatal care, or healthcare in general, in the US there was no real way for her to know what was "normal" and what wasn't.

Edited August 1, 2020 by mamadrama

[CrazyInAlabama]

Thank you for posting that.     I hate when any person feels unsafe in their own home, especially since she has a child to worry about.   I hope she takes the offered help, and is safe, and with her son.   

Paul scares me to death, especially since Karine is alone here.   

Edited August 1, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[1011101010001]

So I guess like Geoffrey no tell all and no more Pillow Talk?

[CrazyInAlabama]

10 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

So I guess like Geoffrey no tell all and no more Pillow Talk?

I certainly hope that's how it will work out.    However, before the last season of The Other Way even aired, the producers had to know about his scary convictions, and dangerous behavior.  

I'm reading about this just as Paul is pulling up to the studio home with his dogs, on the rerun.   The dogs don't belong outside in that pen.   Who on earth thinks a pillow is an appropriate curtain?    There is nothing wrong with that house, except Paul is in it.     I really worry for Pierre, and Karine's safety. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[mamadrama]

2 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Thank you for posting that.     I hate when any person feels unsafe in their own home, especially since she has a child to worry about.   I hope she takes the offered help, and is safe, and with her son.   

Paul scares me to death, especially since Karine is alone here.   

The good thing is that since KY took Medicaid Expansion even with a slightly higher than average income she, and many women, now qualify for Medicaid. We have a lot of excellent programs that can help in these situations, including bilingual family counseling, parenting classes, the HANDS program, etc. There are people out there who can help.

[mamadrama]

3 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I certainly hope that's how it will work out.    However, before the last season of The Other Way even aired, the producers had to know about his scary convictions, and dangerous behavior.  

When they cast Paul they also knew about his previous crimes against women. But this is the same network that covered up the Duggar sexual molestation stuff for years. Not to mention the Kate Goesselin bullshit. The only way to get these people off air is to hit them where it hurts-their advertisers. Write the advertisers and tell them you refuse to watch with X in the cast and the network will sing a different tune. 

[Neurochick]

So Paul is in the hospital now?  And Karine has fled with some guy she was talking to?  At least according to @90dayfiancetoday.

[mamadrama]

39 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

So Paul is in the hospital now?  And Karine has fled with some guy she was talking to?  At least according to @90dayfiancetoday.

Some of that is true. Some isn't. I wouldn't take Paul's self reporting at face value. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by mamadrama

[mamadrama]

All of this new reporting is coming straight from Paul. He's not the most reliable narrator. For instance, a Louisville ER is not going to accept him and offer him oxygen for an STD test. They're already at an overflow for COVID patients. My guess is that he's there for a panic attack or psych eval. And all Paul saw was Karine leaving the house with a man. He saw this via video footage (he has every room recorded). In these situations the best thing is for everyone to separate and get some space between them, especially if there is a history of violence or if there's a safety concern.

[Christina]

Paul posted the Petition for Restraining Order filed by Karine. Here it is on Reddit in case it's deleted.

EDIT: Replaced with better copy. Two slides

 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Christina

[1011101010001]

Yet he always wears that cross prominently.  If he is broke how did he afford to buy cameras to put in every room?  I guess her mom was right to be worried.  Maybe she can go back to Brazil and Brazil can bar him from entry to the country.  

[AZChristian]

42 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Yet he always wears that cross prominently.  If he is broke how did he afford to buy cameras to put in every room?  I guess her mom was right to be worried.  Maybe she can go back to Brazil and Brazil can bar him from entry to the country.  

People prioritize how to spend what little money they may have.  It's a daily display on shows like The People's Court . . . folks live in subsidized housing, but stroll into court in designer duds with wigs and expensive purses (or at least really good knock-offs).  

I hope she does go back to Brazil and that Brazil can bar Paul's entry.  Karine appears to be a slob, but if she goes back to her family, maybe they can help ensure that Pierre has SOMEONE nearby who helps care for him.

[Caoimhe]

I really hope that Karine gets away from Pole.  He seems to be frighteningly unstable and the further Karine and Pierre can get from him the better.  Perhaps having the support of her family around her would make a real difference, I shudder to think about that poor child growing up in the same house with Paul.

[AZChristian]

I'm getting close to the point of making note of the sponsors of episodes that show Paul.  Sometimes, if enough people send e-mails to complain to the sponsors, the sponsors tell the show, "get that guy off the show."

[CrazyInAlabama]

Actually, on the court shows you can usually tell who the liar, and aggressor is by the size of the cross they have sitting on their shirt.   The bigger the cross, the bigger the liar and bully.      So if you can believe the last paragraph, Paul hurts his mother?  But the mother won't report him.    

I hope Karine, and Pierre are safe, and stay away from Paul.    I'm hoping she escapes with her son back to Brazil, and Paul and his relatives get banned from ever visiting.   

Edited August 1, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[mamadrama]

2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I'm getting close to the point of making note of the sponsors of episodes that show Paul.  Sometimes, if enough people send e-mails to complain to the sponsors, the sponsors tell the show, "get that guy off the show."

That does work a lot. I think that's what finally made MTV ditch Jenelle and David from TM2. 

[invisiblegirl12]

I'm thinking back, and don't recall seeing anything about Paul and Karine on Pillow Talk this last week. TLC handled Geoffrey's situation similarly; just not mentioning them at all past their already-filmed appearances. And maybe that's why they suddenly had filler content this last week from Chantel's mother and brother.

[Neurochick]

I think Karine's family should raise their son.  There is something seriously wrong with Karine for her to marry and mate with that loser.  Did she really think that he had $$$ and she would come to America and live like a queen? 

Both of them are disturbed.

[Elizzikra]

6 hours ago, mamadrama said:

That does work a lot. I think that's what finally made MTV ditch Jenelle and David from TM2. 

I thought it was the asshole shooting and killing a dog?

[CrazyInAlabama]

It was aftermath from him shooting the dog, apparently there was a massive backlash from viewers that lead to the sponsors threatening to dump the show sponsorship after that, and that led to the firing from the show, and losing almost all of her personal sponsors.    When she 'left' him, they were talking about bringing her back on the show, until it was very clear that the pending divorce was a total lie.      

I'm hoping this fight will convince the show sponsors to pressure the producers to dump Paul from their show.   I'm also hoping that Karine and Pierre go back to Brazil.   I can see a lot of the reason that Karine has been having such a hard time since Pierre's birth, with constant surveillance, and a whacked out husband who treats her like a prisoner.    

I hope the police forced Paul to give Karine back her documents.    Paul is out of luck if she makes it back to Brazil, they're not inclined to give children to U.S. parents, especially with someone like Paul, with his violent history.   

After reading the statement by the girl he stalked, and other stuff he's posted, I hope Karine is on a plane out of the country.    My guess on him referring to 'my baby', and then 'the baby' is deep down he still wants to claim Pierre isn't his child.    That way if she leaves and never comes back to the U.S., he can just claims it's not his kid, or his problem.    Then he'll move on to other victims of his rage.  

I'm glad that Karine was apparently escorted away from Paul, and with the baby.    Paul is demented, and it will be interesting to see if mommy takes care of him, or if she keeps her distance.      Karine would be foolish to ever trust anyone in that family.    I hope a court would look at the way the mother has enabled Paul, and not let her try for custody too.   

(By the way, I could have lived happily for the rest of my life not knowing about why Paul went to the ER for his issue). 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[Fable]

Ya know, I never get very worked up over any of the couples on this show since I imagine most of it is highly scripted if not completely fake, but the more I am reading about these two, I am disturbed.  Not only does much of it sound legit but also seriously dangerous.  I hope Karine can get herself and baby Pierre away from Paul and back Brazil ASAP.  Clearly these guys are mentally unstable, and shame on TLC for exploiting them. 

[Boo Boo]

1 hour ago, VanSensei said:

There's a part of me seriously worried that he killed her. He's that deranged that it's entirely possible 

Yes, what concerned me is that the live feed with the cops, he's saying "my baby."   In the Karine is missing live video, he said "that baby."    i'm worried he killed them both.

[Toaster Strudel]

9 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

i'm worried he killed them both.

He would be totally capable.

[Meowy]

I didn’t realize that they were missing.  Chilling.  I hope  against hope that they are safe and being protected from Paul.

[Christina]

Regarding Karine being missing, someone contacted her mother and was told that Karine and Pierre were safe and asked that no one tell Pole her location. I'm not sure where I read that, though, because it was hours ago, but it was from something I thought was credible. 

Regarding the poor psychopath, he just can't catch a break. People are digging up all the allegations posted when he first appeared. This information about Pole has been out there since the beginning, but there was only proof of a few things. For anyone who missed them the first time, here are the current reposts.

Four slides, the arrows are hard to see:

The hearing on the Temporary Restraining Order filed by Karine is August 11

He filed one against her right after the police left, saying he wanted to make sure she couldn't take Pierre and flee. She was served with that one, he went to the hospital to have the nodule on his penis drained and Karine left. Even though he had her served with a TRO, he is acting shocked and fearful of her taking off. After she filed one against him, he filed another one against her, but she hasn't been served because they do not know where she is . I don't see dates for the ones filed by Pole on Karine, but they are likely going to be taken care of at the same time.

The only response to this mess by Sharp and TLC should be:

I'd love to give credit for that incredibly accurate Angela drawing, but many people are claiming credit and I don't know who is telling the truth.

 

[mamadrama]

10 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I thought it was the asshole shooting and killing a dog?

It was the viewer's complaints to advertisers after he killed the dog, not him actually killing it. But before that David had already been kicked off the show. They were only filming Jenelle in the end. 

 Karine is okay and safe. Paul's video is just him on a fishing expedition. She's not hiding from the world, only him. He's trying to get someone to give her up. This behavior is common in abusive relationships. That's one of the reasons why a lot of dv shelters don't post their address.  

Edited August 2, 2020 by mamadrama

[Boo Boo]

3 hours ago, Christina said:

Regarding Karine being missing, someone contacted her mother and was told that Karine and Pierre were safe and asked that no one tell Pole her location. I'm not sure where I read that, though, because it was hours ago, but it was from something I thought was credible. 

Regarding the poor psychopath, he just can't catch a break. People are digging up all the allegations posted when he first appeared. This information about Pole has been out there since the beginning, but there was only proof of a few things. For anyone who missed them the first time, here are the current reposts.

Four slides, the arrows are hard to see:

The hearing on the Temporary Restraining Order filed by Karine is August 11

He filed one against her right after the police left, saying he wanted to make sure she couldn't take Pierre and flee. She was served with that one, he went to the hospital to have the nodule on his penis drained and Karine left. Even though he had her served with a TRO, he is acting shocked and fearful of her taking off. After she filed one against him, he filed another one against her, but she hasn't been served because they do not know where she is . I don't see dates for the ones filed by Pole on Karine, but they are likely going to be taken care of at the same time.

The only response to this mess by Sharp and TLC should be:

I'd love to give credit for that incredibly accurate Angela drawing, but many people are claiming credit and I don't know who is telling the truth.

 

Glad that it's credible she's safe.  Very scary situation.  I can't get over just how horrible Paul is.  I mean, we knew it, but I really hoped that he chanced his ways.  

How terrifying for Karine.  

And LOL on Angela's meme!

Edited August 2, 2020 by Boo Boo

[Gobi]

I'm hoping we'll see Pol on the run from the law soon. Well, to be honest, I just want to see him running.

[Persnickety1]

The entire situation is tragic on so many levels.  

There is an older post (probably about the same time as those shared by @Christina) which Mini Persnickety found.  It indicated the "property" Paul had attempted to burn down regarding the arson charge was his parents' home.  I wondered aloud if his parents were inside the home when he set it on fire.  *shudder*  I remember him explaining his arson charge by stating it was "my own" property or words to that effect.  I'll still always believe the fire alarm went off when he entered the building for the reunion was a set up by Sharp, probably because the timing of a fire alarm going off when an arsonist walked through the doors was just uncanny.  

Sharp really needs to start vetting these people much more thoroughly.  I believe everyone on this forum has known Paul has deep psychological issues from the outset.  We're random strangers on a forum watching a TV program.  How can individuals who deal with him in person, presumably have lengthy conversations with him during the cast process, again have lengthy interactions with him during filming, presumably stay in contact to some degree between seasons, and have access to his social media...how do they dismiss all of these factors?  How do they not see the red flags that we viewers pick up on almost immediately?  

Wake up, TLC...sure, it's all fun and games and ratings until one of your participants ends up on an ID Discovery program.  

I thought after this disaster happened that reality TV shows were supposed to step up the psychological evaluations of potential participants.  Ugh.

(Excuse any typos...I'm only halfway through my first cup of coffee this lovely Sunday morning and more caffeine will be required to properly function 😴) 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by Persnickety1

[CrazyInAlabama]

7 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I thought after this disaster happened that reality TV shows were supposed to step up the psychological evaluations of potential participants.  Ugh.

The producers and networks only care if they are liable, and with the waivers and contracts all of the participants sign, nothing is going to make it through court.      If the producers were decent human beings, then people like Paul wouldn't be on any season of this show, and this is his fourth season I think (2 before the 90, the other way, and now this show).     I know they filmed this last summer, but Paul should have been dumped after he showed how aggressive, and deluded he was on the first season, instead he's now received four years of paychecks from the producers.   It is ridiculous that they didn't do a simply criminal check on all of the participants before signing them.      

About Paul's nodule, I hope his tiny penis rots, and falls off.  

Edited August 2, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[Arynm]

I love that Paul had a nodule on his penis he had to have drained. Seems about right, I hope it hurt and that he has to endure the embarrassment that we all know about it. I wonder if that is the reason he is claiming he got an STI from Karine. I know nothing about this issue or if it's a symptom of a disease. Maybe he should have worn his penis sheath a bit more often.

I really hope Karine gets away and stays away, she needs to go back to Brazil I think. This is such a cluster, I don't ever want to see them on tv again.

[Persnickety1]

2 minutes ago, Arynm said:

I love that Paul had a nodule on his penis he had to have drained. Seems about right, I hope it hurt and that he has to endure the embarrassment that we all know about it. I wonder if that is the reason he is claiming he got an STI from Karine. I know nothing about this issue or if it's a symptom of a disease. Maybe he should have worn his penis sheath a bit more often.

I really hope Karine gets away and stays away, she needs to go back to Brazil I think. This is such a cluster, I don't ever want to see them on tv again.

There are so many different causes of nodules of the penis.  Considering his obsession with STDs, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he just assumed his particular nodule was STD related without any confirmation of the cause by a physician.  

I totally agree about not wanting to see them on my TV screen in the future.  Drama is one thing, I get that TLC wants ratings, but showcasing flagrant psychotic behavior as exhibited by Paul since the outset (and escalating every season in which he appears) is an entirely different type of drama.  

TLC needs to cut them off of the TLC gravy train, and hopefully Paul will seek serious mental health treatment and Karine will take the baby and return to Brazil where her family can help her to raise him.  That poor baby.  And poor Karine's mom.  I can't imagine knowing my child was going through this and I was too far away to do much of anything to help.  

[Fable]

Much of this is news to me.  I didn’t find these two to be very interesting as a couple, so I either fast forwarded or didn’t pay attention to their segments.  From what I did see, I though them both to be a bit dimwitted, but as I said, I never really paid them much mind, and just figured whatever was going on was part of their ongoing storyline. 

[TwirlyGirly]

On a completely different topic (but still related to Paul & Karine), do you recall S5E5 Drive me crazy like a roulette wheel, in which Paul tried to impress Karine by taking her to Walmart but didn't get the reaction he'd hoped for?

This may be the reason why:

 

 

[CrazyInAlabama]

I don't think any amount of treatment will help Paul, even if he agreed to it.   I think he was born without a conscience, or empathy, and he won't ever change.