The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[LavendarRose]

They are so preaching to the wrong crowd.  Not only are the Orthodox very religious, observing many Holy Days and traditions that Catholics and other Christians don’t observe, they are also very inclusive.  I know of gay couples who could not marry in the church, but have been accepted by the priest when they had their civil ceremony.  Their children have been baptised and the whole family celebrates.  Divorced people have remarried and are still part of the church.  In many ways they are more progressive than the Catholics.  The Fundies have no hope.

[cmr2014]

11 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Someone please ask if if she speaks Greek, and if not, how she expects to “convert” anyone.

I know you're not new on this board, so maybe it just slipped your mind, but the way to convert non-English speaking Christians to Christianity is by giving them fingernail polish.

[Churchhoney]

8 minutes ago, LavendarRose said:

They are so preaching to the wrong crowd.  Not only are the Orthodox very religious, observing many Holy Days and traditions that Catholics and other Christians don’t observe, they are also very inclusive.  I know of gay couples who could not marry in the church, but have been accepted by the priest when they had their civil ceremony.  Their children have been baptised and the whole family celebrates.  Divorced people have remarried and are still part of the church.  In many ways they are more progressive than the Catholics.  The Fundies have no hope.

Always good to hear. 

Of course, this bunch of arrogant ignorant little undeserving jerks get a vacation in Greece out of it and a further opportunity to burnish their image of themselves as being better than anyone else.

That kind of grinds my gears. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Churchhoney

[DangerousMinds]

5 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I know you're not new on this board, so maybe it just slipped your mind, but the way to convert non-English speaking Christians to Christianity is by giving them fingernail polish.

Damn, I keep forgetting about that! 🤣

[PikaScrewChu]

33 minutes ago, LavendarRose said:

They are so preaching to the wrong crowd.  Not only are the Orthodox very religious, observing many Holy Days and traditions that Catholics and other Christians don’t observe, they are also very inclusive.  I know of gay couples who could not marry in the church, but have been accepted by the priest when they had their civil ceremony.  Their children have been baptised and the whole family celebrates.  Divorced people have remarried and are still part of the church.  In many ways they are more progressive than the Catholics.  The Fundies have no hope.

They probably did an hour of preaching and then played tourist for the rest of the time.

It's the fundie way!

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

They probably did an hour of preaching and then played tourist for the rest of the time.

It's the fundie way!

[fonfereksglen]

3 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Wow.  What a babbling fool.  

[DangerousMinds]

I really have no idea what “salvation + grace” is really supposed to mean (despite some research). I doubt these uneducated kids could fully explain it either.

[CalicoKitty]

I actually find her statement quite offensive.

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Temperance said:

She also made statements/comments about their minsionary work. Basically it's hard, because the Greeks want to practice the wrong form of Christianity, but she believes they will prevail. 

This made me laugh SO hard. I think the Greek Orthodox Church is ingrained enough in Greek culture, life, and history that it's going to take more than a few ignorant, lazy, redneck wanna-be missionaries there for a few days to make the Greeks rethink their brand of Christianity they have practiced for, you know, well over 1,000 years. 

I kinda hope this girl is courting a Duggar because she seems like the snark gift that will keep on giving. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Zella

[fonfereksglen]

5 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I really have no idea what “salvation + grace” is really supposed to mean (despite some research). I doubt these uneducated kids could fully explain it either.

Ephisians 2, v 8 and 9 are my favorite Bible verses.  Guess she considers me an Orthodox fool, rather than a lowly Lutheran.

[Sew Sumi]

Doesn't Jessa quote Ephesians 2:8-9 on her IG bio? Or is it her Twitter? At any rate, I guess she's wrong too, according to this little twit.

[Absolom]

Basically if you don't follow their narrow little four or five step patter of "accepting Jesus into your heart," that is become a modern evangelical (or fundiegelical) Christian, then you are doomed to hell.  

[fonfereksglen]

4 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Doesn't Jessa quote Ephesians 2:8-9 on her IG bio? Or is it her Twitter? At any rate, I guess she's wrong too, according to this little twit.

That explains her pouty pregnant SELFIES!  She knows she is saved.

[Churchhoney]

53 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Rotten little arrogant know-nothing bitch. 

43 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I really have no idea what “salvation + grace” is really supposed to mean (despite some research). I doubt these uneducated kids could fully explain it either.

Of even halfway explain it. Parrots, all of them. But deep apologies to the real parrots, who are eager to learn things, unlike these arrogant fools. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Churchhoney

[awaken]

How dare they cling to their own religion and culture!  As if these fools don’t!  

“Lost in orthodoxy”!  You know her youth group leader just told her that phrase before the trip and she feels big saying it. 

[satrunrose]

Wow! I am feeling some pretty intense vicarious offence. Being attached to a 3,000+ year old culture is a BAD thing? To Plato and Aristotle and all the ancient writers that had such a huge influence on early Christian thought. Good Lord! What stupendous arrogance and pride. 

 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. (Proverbs 6:18)

[heckkitty]

4 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I know you're not new on this board, so maybe it just slipped your mind, but the way to convert non-English speaking Christians to Christianity is by giving them fingernail polish.

You win EVERYTHING!!!

[mynextmistake]

5 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I know you're not new on this board, so maybe it just slipped your mind, but the way to convert non-English speaking Christians to Christianity is by giving them fingernail polish.

That’s only for the women. Men are saved through interpretive dance.

[floridamom]

I think these stupid people are steeped in their own brand of "Gothard orthodoxy".  How is that ok? What an insult to the Greek people and their centuries of religious beliefs and traditions. Wow, just too much for me.

[Churchhoney]

7 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

That’s only for the women. Men are saved through interpretive dance.

I thought it was the cut-price Dum Dums that sealed the deal. 

[Annb67]

So what did these snooty little kids DO for these people besides march around and tell them how wrong they were? Did they feed the hungry? Did they clothe the poor? Did they teach any of these people any useful skills or trades? Go back and sit at the kids table.

[Minivanessa]

10 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

10 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Wow.  What a babbling fool.  

10 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I actually find her statement quite offensive.

Good grief. She's so concerned about the "lost in orthodoxy" Greek people that she posts a big photo of herself with her post yakking about it. 

What an obnoxious little twit. I also hope she courts and marries a Duggar. She's telegenic, crass, a total Kool-aid drinker - ratings gold. I would tune in to watch Jessa, or Lauren, cut her down to size. 

[JoanArc]

Clinging to their religion and culture? You Stupid Bitch.

If Derick is back on the market in a few years he should look this girl up. She's a match made it (the proper) heaven.

[ginger90]

“These people” 😡 

[crazycatlady58]

I wish I could quote all of you. I am Orthodox and wish I could find her and give her a smack upside the head. Unfortunately if she walked into an Orthodox Church all she would see is " They are worshipping idols" ! No thought or curiosity about what was going on. And yes I would like to see then stand through a full service!

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Good grief. She's so concerned about the "lost in orthodoxy" Greek people that she posts a big photo of herself with her post yakking about it. 

What an obnoxious little twit. I also hope she courts and marries a Duggar. She's telegenic, crass, a total Kool-aid drinker - ratings gold. I would tune in to watch Jessa, or Lauren, cut her down to size. 

Well,  since more people tuning in to pump cash into Duggar pockets will only ensure that their damaging (to them and to the world) reality-TeeVee presence continues even longer, please, Little Miss Anti-Orthodox Dumb-ass, DO NOT court or marry a Duggar! 

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Clinging to their religion and culture? You Stupid Bitch.

If Derick is back on the market in a few years he should look this girl up. She's a match made it (the proper) heaven.

Jer says the exact same shit as Derick, by the way. So she'd work for him, too, if he had the need. It's just that Jer has a church and is able to say it there. So he can keep his social media for polishing his image to help the TeeVee ratings.

I'm no Der fan, but I'm weary of Jer and his father being portrayed as different from Der (and his mother) in obnoxiousness of their beliefs and pronouncements. They are the same. Just savvier about the monetary value of hiding it from the general public!

Edited March 8, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Another mysterious double post. Can't yet navigate this new system. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Churchhoney

[JoanArc]

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Jer says the exact same shit as Derick, by the way.

Oh, of course. It's just Derick has gone to other counties to spread his crap, and he may need a new wife sooner than Jer. 😉 Der was wandering around Nepal while Jer was manscaping, preaching the gospel of stupidity, and practicing selfies with a mirror.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I wish I could quote all of you. I am Orthodox and wish I could find her and give her a smack upside the head. Unfortunately if she walked into an Orthodox Church all she would see is " They are worshipping idols" ! No thought or curiosity about what was going on. And yes I would like to see then stand through a full service!

Yes, it's a really shame that they're so closed-minded. I'm not Orthodox, but I became intrigued by the Orthodox church when I was studying Russian history/literature as a teenager. Always thought the services were just stunningly beautiful. 

[libgirl2]

14 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Wow.  What a babbling fool.  

I agree. I just don't get this judgement. So the Greeks aren't the right type of Christians? Really? I guess God told you exactly what a real Christian is? Stuff like this just pisses me off. What an obnoxious twit. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by libgirl2

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

I agree. I just don't get this judgement. So the Greeks aren't the right type of Christians? Really? I guess God told you exactly what a real Christian is? Stuff like this just pisses me off. What an obnoxious twit. 

And they are so blessed to be able to interact with the precious refugees. Aren’t these the same type of people who condemn the evil refugees when they come back to the US?

[anna0852]

20 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

I'm pretty it's God's will that the ignorant little twit babbling above marry young to a spouse that can't support their family, gets bogged down with too many babies too quickly, spend her life trying to care for a family with too many mouths and too few resources and has has to try to justify heself to an thoroughly unimpressed God on her Judgement Day. And has not the wit or wisdom to even realize that this small slice of a foreign country is as big as her world will ever be.

I'm truly, angrily offended by this nasty, cloaked-in-sweetness drivel that leaking out of her fingertips and onto social media. 

[PikaScrewChu]

20 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Just like John Shrader's attempts to convert the masses! Sit on social media and say you've done something when really you haven't.

[Churchhoney]

“I didn’t realize how much it was going to change my life and my view of missions, people, and God’s word.”

I have to say I'm a little curious about what Miss Ionary thought before her trip that has now changed. And whether it was something marginally less offensive than what she articulated in this disgusting post or something even worse....

Or whether none of her views changed one iota and she wrote what she did because this trite piffle is something you're always required to say in her thoughtless religion-for-ignoramuses.

Guessing it's the last one. One of the orthodoxies she clings to and is too dense to notice. 

[floridamom]

This group of people have a lot of nerve going to a country like Greece and attempting to 'change' them in to Christians, which they already ARE. Why do they continually pick on Christian religions? If they want to convert anyone, why don't they concentrate on faiths that are not Christian or don't claim to be Christian? They also have the nerve to go sightseeing in this beautifully historic and RELIGIOUS nation and enjoy what their culture has to offer? I'm sure they enjoyed the ancient architecture there and beautiful scenery not to mention their great food. These are the things that make the Greeks GREEK, which, of course, is the culture, which this little idiot says they're wrongly 'steeped in'.

Does this make any sense to you? Not to me. What is even more sad is that this little immature girl picked up this attitude from most likely a fully grown adult. 

[Churchhoney]

24 minutes ago, floridamom said:

This group of people have a lot of nerve going to a country like Greece and attempting to 'change' them in to Christians, which they already ARE. Why do they continually pick on Christian religions? If they want to convert anyone, why don't they concentrate on faiths that are not Christian or don't claim to be Christian? They also have the nerve to go sightseeing in this beautifully historic and RELIGIOUS nation and enjoy what their culture has to offer? I'm sure they enjoyed the ancient architecture there and beautiful scenery not to mention their great food. These are the things that make the Greeks GREEK, which, of course, is the culture, which this little idiot says they're wrongly 'steeped in'.

Does this make any sense to you? Not to me. What is even more sad is that this little immature girl picked up this attitude from most likely a fully grown adult. 

I wonder whether their travel itineraries are partly dictated by the fact that in quite a few non-majority-Christian countries Christian missionaries (or missionaries lite or whatever) are viewed with a lot of suspicion....since they'd like to preserve their own cultures and heritages against what may well be white-people's-patronizing-colonialism-pretending-it's-something else.  That would probably be especially true for these "missionaries' who don't actually come to help out with anything but who are just pushy preachy tourists. 

And then of course they already know the general terms of the argument when they're yapping to other Christians. They probably know close to nothing -- more likely nothing, period, now that I think of who this is -- about any other religion. So in those cases they wouldn't even know where to start....Especially since they almost certainly have no language skills, either. 

All in all, going to a Christian country makes for a much more vacation-like "mission" experience, I'm sure. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by Churchhoney

[DangerousMinds]

23 minutes ago, floridamom said:

This group of people have a lot of nerve going to a country like Greece and attempting to 'change' them in to Christians, which they already ARE. Why do they continually pick on Christian religions? If they want to convert anyone, why don't they concentrate on faiths that are not Christian or don't claim to be Christian? They also have the nerve to go sightseeing in this beautifully historic and RELIGIOUS nation and enjoy what their culture has to offer? I'm sure they enjoyed the ancient architecture there and beautiful scenery not to mention their great food. These are the things that make the Greeks GREEK, which, of course, is the culture, which this little idiot says they're wrongly 'steeped in'.

Does this make any sense to you? Not to me. What is even more sad is that this little immature girl picked up this attitude from most likely a fully grown adult. 

Yes, there are plenty of non-Christians in the US who SPEAK ENGLISH. Why don’t they try to “convert” them?

[PikaScrewChu]

14 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Yes, there are plenty of non-Christians in the US who SPEAK ENGLISH. Why don’t they try to “convert” them?

Because where else would they get the opportunity to go to a foreign country and take selfies of themselves?

It seems most missionary groups prefer to go outside of the US. I remember a Mormon friend's brother ending up with Washington DC for his mission. He was clearly hoping to go overseas for two years.

I do wonder if Jason is courting one of the young women on the trip though. This is probably the most attention he's gotten since he fell in the orchestra pit.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

Yes, there are plenty of non-Christians in the US who SPEAK ENGLISH. Why don’t they try to “convert” them?

Well, they do, I think. Some evangelical student organizations try to convert every non-Christian they see, and I think many are heavily engaged in proselytizing to foreign students on their campuses, for example.

But of course you don't get to take a stealth beach vacation that you pretend is actually a hard day of the Lord's work if you go after people who are local.  ;  ) 

Plus, if people speak English you probably have to spend more time actually proselytizing, whereas if you're in a country where you don't speak the language you can just give up quickly and go find a Pizza Hut.  

[louannems]

2 hours ago, floridamom said:

This group of people have a lot of nerve going to a country like Greece and attempting to 'change' them in to Christians, which they already ARE. Why do they continually pick on Christian religions? If they want to convert anyone, why don't they concentrate on faiths that are not Christian or don't claim to be Christian? They also have the nerve to go sightseeing in this beautifully historic and RELIGIOUS nation and enjoy what their culture has to offer? I'm sure they enjoyed the ancient architecture there and beautiful scenery not to mention their great food. These are the things that make the Greeks GREEK, which, of course, is the culture, which this little idiot says they're wrongly 'steeped in'.

Does this make any sense to you? Not to me. What is even more sad is that this little immature girl picked up this attitude from most likely a fully grown adult. 

Do we know who this little immature girl is?

[PikaScrewChu]

5 minutes ago, louannems said:

Do we know who this little immature girl is?

Yes but she made her IG private and took her blog link off her IG bio. I don't know how much information I'm allowed to state on the forum now everything is private but her family just moved to Arkansas. They're tight with the Caldwells.

I am holding out hope she's a Duggar bride-to-be for one of the Howlers. Her captions are so obtuse and she engages openly with "the haters".

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Because where else would they get the opportunity to go to a foreign country and take selfies of themselves?

It seems most missionary groups prefer to go outside of the US. I remember a Mormon friend's brother ending up with Washington DC for his mission. He was clearly hoping to go overseas for two years.

I do wonder if Jason is courting one of the young women on the trip though. This is probably the most attention he's gotten since he fell in the orchestra pit.

When I was back living in Ohio a few years ago, my house must have been near the permanent LDS missionary apartment in town because I was constantly running into the current pair of biking Mormon guys.

I'm a walker. So fairly often I stopped and chatted with them about religion (I think that's all they talk about).  And I usually could steer them away from straight proselytizing and just talk about the nature of god, the meaning of morality and charity and so on. I encountered a few different pairs in the several years I was there, and honestly all the ones I met seemed like pretty nice kids. None of them seemed averse to a philosophical chat.... Of course, I got the feeling they weren't getting many actual chances to convert, so my philosophical chats were better than nothing, I suppose.

They always looked a bit forlorn to me, weaving up and down the streets in search of somebody to proselytize, and way overdressed for biking, even biking with balloon tires. Like characters out of some kinda strange '50s movie. And I guess they really aren't allowed much latitude at all, even in what they do and talk about among themselves in off hours. 

I always thought -- Imagine pulling your post out of the hat and finding out that some people got Buenos Aires or Phuket (or Paris, like Mitt Romney) and you got the Rust Belt. You'd definitely wonder why Moroni had it in for you. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

21 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

When I was back living in Ohio a few years ago, my house must have been near the permanent LDS missionary apartment in town because I was constantly running into the current pair of biking Mormon guys.

I'm a walker. So fairly often I stopped and chatted with them about religion (I think that's all they talk about).  And I usually could steer them away from straight proselytizing and just talk about the nature of god, the meaning of morality and charity and so on. I encountered a few different pairs in the several years I was there, and honestly all the ones I met seemed like pretty nice kids. None of them seemed averse to a philosophical chat.... Of course, I got the feeling they weren't getting many actual chances to convert, so my philosophical chats were better than nothing, I suppose.

They always looked a bit forlorn to me, weaving up and down the streets in search of somebody to proselytize, and way overdressed for biking, even biking with balloon tires. Like characters out of some kinda strange '50s movie. And I guess they really aren't allowed much latitude at all, even in what they do and talk about among themselves in off hours. 

I always thought -- Imagine pulling your post out of the hat and finding out that some people got Buenos Aires or Phuket (or Paris, like Mitt Romney) and you got the Rust Belt. You'd definitely wonder why Moroni had it in for you. 

We get Mormon missionaries in my small rural Arkansas town. The only converts they seem to pick up are in the local Hispanic community because the rest of the population is pretty hostile to them. I used to wait on the Mormon missionaries at the library because they were always coming in to check their email. Personally, I always thought they were very sweet and polite though definitely a bit out-of-place, but man, if I were them, I'd be so pissed if my missionary commitment sent me to the middle of nowhere U.S. rather than an overseas posting. (And I say that as someone who likes where I live as a general rule!) 

Edited March 9, 2019 by Zella

[Sew Sumi]

2 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Yes but she made her IG private and took her blog link off her IG bio. I don't know how much information I'm allowed to state on the forum now everything is private but her family just moved to Arkansas. They're tight with the Caldwells.

I am holding out hope she's a Duggar bride-to-be for one of the Howlers. Her captions are so obtuse and she engages openly with "the haters".

She sounds like a comedy goldmine. Too bad she's gone private.

eta: We have a Mormon temple in my city, but the boys haven't meandered through my good in at least a decade. The last time I went to the polls to vote, I discovered that my hood is over 90% Democratic. Fundies and Mormons would find us actual work to convert here. We can afford DumDums and watch interpretive dance on any random street corner. 😁

Edited March 9, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[queenanne]

On 3/8/2019 at 10:30 PM, Zella said:

We get Mormon missionaries in my small rural Arkansas town. The only converts they seem to pick up are in the local Hispanic community because the rest of the population is pretty hostile to them. I used to wait on the Mormon missionaries at the library because they were always coming in to check their email. Personally, I always thought they were very sweet and polite though definitely a bit out-of-place, but man, if I were them, I'd be so pissed if my missionary commitment sent me to the middle of nowhere U.S. rather than an overseas posting. (And I say that as someone who likes where I live as a general rule!) 

They have a church less than 100 feet from my home in the Bronx, lol.  I also had a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses.  I am pretty sure the latter had more success than the former, because I used to see the blond kids walking the street in pairs but they weren't going (or getting) into the buildings; whereas the JWs got in all the time, and sometimes on a weekly basis.  What I heard was, Mormons and JW's tend to do better amongst Black and Hispanic communities, because they're closer-knit and more family-oriented.  Not like us chilly white people who emigrate hundreds of miles away from family and friends at the drop of a hat, and often live alone, without so much as a roommate; which always reminds me of the story of Gloria Estefan, whose mother wouldn't even let her go to rehearsals with her now-husband and the Miami Sound Machine, unless her sister was also in the band 🤣.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, queenanne said:

They have a church less than 100 feet from my home in the Bronx, lol.  I also had a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses.  I am pretty sure the latter had more success than the former, because I used to see the blond kids walking the street in pairs but they weren't going (or getting) into the buildings; whereas the JWs got in all the time, and sometimes on a weekly basis.  What I heard was, Mormons and JW's tend to do better amongst Black and Hispanic communities, because they're closer-knit and more family-oriented.  Not like us chilly white people who emigrate hundreds of miles away from family and friends at the drop of a hat, and often live alone, without so much as a roommate; which always reminds me of the story of Gloria Estefan, whose mother wouldn't even let her go to rehearsals with her now-husband and the Miami Sound Machine, unless her sister was also in the band 🤣.

Very interesting!

We also have a pretty active Jehovah's Witnesses group who, again, do better with the Hispanic community than they do with the other locals. I can see where the family-oriented aspect would be a plus. Most of the folks I knew who had converted were teenaged coworkers. And from what I remember, yep, the whole family--not just immediate but also aunts, uncles, and cousins--would convert as well. 

[PikaScrewChu]

On 3/9/2019 at 12:00 AM, Sew Sumi said:

She sounds like a comedy goldmine. Too bad she's gone private.

I would watch this show again if she married one of the Howlers and they turned it into the Real Housewives of Tonitown instead. That way no one has to worry about telling apart which Howler is which.

[libgirl2]

On 3/9/2019 at 11:02 PM, Zella said:

Very interesting!

We also have a pretty active Jehovah's Witnesses group who, again, do better with the Hispanic community than they do with the other locals. I can see where the family-oriented aspect would be a plus. Most of the folks I knew who had converted were teenaged coworkers. And from what I remember, yep, the whole family--not just immediate but also aunts, uncles, and cousins--would convert as well. 

One of my ex-coworkers (who is Hispanic) was baptized Mormon. I don't remember why she said exactly but it didn't seem like it was a huge conversion experience. She is hardly religious and I think it happened when she was very young. She would joke about it all the time. Her husband is Irish Catholic.