Seasons 1 and 2 Discussion

[mmccpp]

Bill!  Noooo.

[slf]

Bill was so delightful this episode I began to suspect that he was going to die. I thought "they'd better not kill him" just before he and Eve got to the subway station. I then convinced myself the show wasn't going to go there until Villanelle turned around and smiled at him. Poor Bill. Goddamn. To be honest, I wish the show had kept him. Sandra Oh/David Haig played wonderfully off each other and Bill/Eve was one of the three relationships on this show I cared about.

I will say that I appreciate that this show both implied that there's some kind of sexual component to Eve's fascination with Villanelle while at the same time having Villanelle kill the person Eve trusted the most. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by slf

[catrice2]

The previews where she bumped into him sealed his fate for me.  I pretty much knew someone close to Eve was going to have to die, and she would savor killing the husband after she had tortured her with some other people, so Bill was the logical choice.  I was sure after they had the talk on the bed, and when he saw her at the station it became a matter of when and how, not if. 

[walnutqueen]

SUCH a good show!

Villanelle totally wants to fuck'n'kill Eve, but not before some prolonged psychotic foreplay.

Poor Bill.  Poor Bill's baby.   :-(

[catrice2]

Since there is a season 2 should I assume that she will not get caught?

[Valny]

Whoa, I have to say, I didn't expect they'd be killing off Bill... and so soon! But I do like being totally surprised like that, when series kill off characters you think are in for the long haul.

RIP funny Bill 

[slf]

Bill's baby girl was adorable.

I have to say, as sad as Bill's death was the setup was really good. Starting in the station when he sees Villanelle watching Eve and he casually circles to follow behind her, and then stops her from boarding the subway just in time. Though it was obvious that Villanelle knew he was tailing her - she even waits for him on the other side of the road after the bus cuts him off - I think he was so alarmed for Eve that he simply missed a lot of those cues. (When he earlier asked Eve why she thought Villanelle had used her name it was obvious what he was thinking. Especially given Eve's description of Villanelle, which he remarked on later. Then seeing Villanelle at the station and realizing she had been following them all day and had likely been the one to steal the suitcase. Bill cottoned on quickly that she isn't just a threat in general but very specifically a threat to Eve.) And finally her leading him deep into the overpacked club, again waiting for him since he had to stand in line while she was able to just walk in. I liked the energy shift from her slow turn and smile - as poor Bill realizes he's trapped and she's going to kill him - to her swift, anticipatory charge through the crowd to him.

Loved Eve using her bra as a cell phone holder while she changed, shaving her pits at the sink, having toilet paper stuck under her arm, Bill slapping his own ass, and Bill carrying his baby at a 20 degree angle. It's the little things with this show.

Edited April 23, 2018 by slf

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Intel from Berlin points to the existence of a mole, prompting Eve to undertake her first surveillance operation. Meanwhile, Villanelle is sent to England to eliminate a member of British Intelligence. Villanelle wonders, could it be Eve? Meanwhile Eve, in emotional turmoil, now knows how high the stakes are.

Promo:

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Psych evaluation:

[slf]

Bill playing with his baby: "Oh I'm going to die, aren't I? Daddy's going to die!"

Man: "And his balls were...I don't know the word..."
Eve and Bill: "Clamped?"
Guy, nodding: "Clamped."

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Niko: All chickens lay eggs out of their arseholes.
Eve: I love how you say that.

Bill: Let me guess. You think it was a woman.
Eve: Well, she was found in the ladies', so yes.

Eve: Please don't take me off the team.
Carolyn: I can't take you off a team that doesn't exist.

Villanelle: I like Berlin. Have you been before?
Konstantin: Yes.
Villanelle: Have you seen the wall?
Konstantin: Yes.
Villanelle: The Jewish museum? That is massively poignant.

Bill: Kinks are totally specific. It's not just about pain. It's a contract. It's about someone else taking control. A spankifier wouldn't just spank himself, would he? I mean, what would be the point in that?

Eve: You got him all hot with that no kink stuff.
Bill: It's an important distinction.
Eve: That you know so much about because...
Bill: I lived [in Berlin] for eight years.
Eve: And?
Bill: I said yes to everything for five of them. Dark horse, aren't I?

Eve: Should I pick up some fetish gear?
Bill: Only if they have rubber chaps.

Bill: You can't wear a bra with that dress. Whip it off. This is an important meeting.
Eve: Oh, and important meetings require women to go braless?
Bill: No, dresses like that require women to go braless. A monkey could tell you that.

Bill: How's Niko?
Eve: I think he's jealous, which I like but also find annoying.
Bill: Jealous of me? Gosh, what does he think I'm doing here? Skulking to your hotel room and convincing you to take off your bra?

Eve: Have you ever fancied me?
Bill: Uhhh, no.
Eve: Hmm.
Bill: You me?
Eve: No.
Bill: Hmm.
Eve: Well, that's a relief.

Eve: Tell me what happened in Charlottenberg.
Bill: Everything happened.
Eve: Men?
Bill: Yes.
Eve: Were you gay?
Bill: I just fall in love with whoever I fall in love with.
Eve: How many men have you been in love with?
Bill: Hundreds.
Eve: Does Keiko know?
Bill: She's got her own thing going on.
Eve: Wait, so you guys-
Bill: Well, I really wanted a baby and she was rich and ovulating.

Bill: You want to hear something really freaky? The conditions have to be just right, but sometimes we have sex.
Eve: You dirty perverts.

Bill: Have you ever been interested in women?
Eve: Not like that.
Bill: Not even ones with delicate features, sort of catlike eyes that are completely inaccessible?
Eve: That is horribly unprofessional. You want to hear about her tits?

Eve: Why did you want to see me? What do you know?
Jin: Okay, this information might make you uncomfortable. You have a bit of tissue stuck under your armpit.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Awwwww, Bill!  I loved his relationship with Eve from the first episode and I really loved seeing them have so much one on one time together this week. I enjoyed their conversation back at the hotel but I was a little creeped out knowing that Villanelle was listening to all of that.

I knew it was just a matter of time before Villanelle killed someone close to Eve but DAMN IT. As soon as Bill spotted Villanelle at the train station, I was chanting, "Don't get killed, Bill! Don't get killed!"

I thought it was weird that Eve assumed Niko was jealous of Bill. I think he's glad her new job makes her happy but that he's a little jealous that it's taking her away from him. It just seemed so strange that Eve was been working with Bill for however long at her previous job and she thinks that Niko is suddenly jealous of her older married coworker because they went on a business trip together.

[Garden Wafers]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I thought it was weird that Eve assumed Niko was jealous of Bill.

I figured Eve had noticed something off about her marriage, but didn't want to directly address the issue and instead brushed it off as Niko being jealous of Bill. Similar to Bill asking her why she thought Villanelle had used her name at the German BDSM hotel; in the face of obvious warning signs, Eve just shrugged her shoulders. 

[attica]

Apparently, fetish-surgery is a real thing. Which shouldn't surprise me, given, well, people, but there you go. There certainly is porn for it (Rule 34!), so finding real-life underground, um, dispensaries would be the next logical step.  Now I'm wondering if the writers had to research such a thing or if they were already familiar!

"Angry Uncle." "Oooh, he really plays that well!"

[numbnut]

Damn. I figured Bill would die when he teased "I'm going to die" but I was hoping the show would be more twisty by having him escape a near death. He can only survive that stabbing if that's what Villanelle wanted. Oh well.

Edited April 23, 2018 by numbnut

[atlantaloves]

This show has already been renewed you say? Yahoooooo...but booooooo on killing Bill.....Damn it. 

[tennisgurl]

No, Bill! Damn it no! I saw it coming as soon as he was doing his whole "daddy's gonna die" thing with his baby, but I hoped I was wrong! I loved his relationship with Eve, they play off each other so well, and him dying is going to be devastating for Eve. Although, maybe now it will finally sink in with Eve that she`s playing with fire. I think she`s deeply attracted to danger (and yes, there is a sexual attraction with Villanelle) but hasn't experienced very much of it, so its only now that its hitting her that this is real, and that she, herself is in danger of this crazy murderous person. 

The shift in Villanelles face when she saw Bill was so creepy. It wasn't a scary expression, it was more like excited and ready to pounce. You could tell the second she went in for the kill, as did poor Bill. The actress plays the part really interestingly. She can at first come off as quirky and cute, but then you see moments where something slips, and theres this off quality to her. She kind of reminds me of resident serial killer Andrew in The Assassination of Gianni Versache. A person who can be superficially charming, but as you see them more, its like they're wearing a human mask, and sometimes it falls off and reveals this weird void where normal human emotions are. It wouldn't surprise me to find out she was some kind of serial killer, or a thrill killer before she was recruited by this agency, and they just convinced her to kill people for them so she could kill people for money.

Bill!!!!

[Zoe]

I'm a little disappointed that they telegraphed his death so hard in this episode.  Maybe if the baby had been in the previous episode or something it wouldn't have felt so sudden to humanize him a great deal before killing him.

[jvr]

I didn't think they telegraphed it much at all. It's the third episode, we don't know much about anyone but Eve. I guess they could have just killed him off without filling in more of his backstory and gave it to us after his death but I liked seeing more of his personality and interactions with Eve so his death would matter in the moment. Right up until she stabbed him I didn't think he would actually die. I knew she was luring him into a trap but I though Eve would get there in time and Villanelle would vanish in the crowd, just a very close call. He seemed really important to keeping Eve grounded so it's interesting to see what happens without him. Maybe he isn't actually dead though, the previews only showed Eve very mad but that could have just been in relation to the attempted killing. Right?

One thing I missed and didn't understand was who the women was that she was kissing, dressing up and calling Eve. Where did she get her from? Did I miss something important in this episode or the last?

Edited April 23, 2018 by jvr

[Zoe]

1 hour ago, jvr said:

One thing I missed and didn't understand was who the women was that she was kissing, dressing up and calling Eve. Where did she get her from? Did I miss something important in this episode or the last?

She sought out a slim American woman with wild curly hair vacationing in Germany because she wants to roleplay.

[jvr]

@Zoe So she just grabbed her off the street? I thought that's what happened but it just seemed implausible in the short time she had between waiting for Eve to show up.

[Zoe]

I don't think we know the timeline here between the perfume lady biting it and the Chinese guy coming in to play.  Villanelle obviously put some thought into setting everything up.

[pasdetrois]

Things were a bit too neat and tidy for me in this episode. Bill, the baby, "I'm going to die..."

Plus he and Eve seemed to be careless, given that they know the killer is targeting Eve. It's hard for me to believe that Eve wouldn't have had a heightened sense of alarm and been searching her environment constantly.

I'm disappointed they got rid of Bill. His colleague chemistry with Eve was delightful. Maybe the actor got another gig.

And Niko's passive aggressive behavior is annoying.

Still, I love the show and excited for a second season.

[catrice2]

2 hours ago, jvr said:

I didn't think they telegraphed it much at all. It's the third episode, we don't know much about anyone but Eve. I guess they could have just killed him off without filling in more of his backstory and gave it to us after his death but I liked seeing more of his personality and interactions with Eve so his death would matter in the moment. Right up until she stabbed him I didn't think he would actually die. I knew she was luring him into a trap but I though Eve would get there in time and Villanelle would vanish in the crowd, just a very close call. He seemed really important to keeping Eve grounded so it's interesting to see what happens without him. Maybe he isn't actually dead though, the previews only showed Eve very mad but that could have just been in relation to the attempted killing. Right?

One thing I missed and didn't understand was who the women was that she was kissing, dressing up and calling Eve. Where did she get her from? Did I miss something important in this episode or the last?

He only shows 2 or 3 episodes on IMDB or is it IMBD?   I think the previews showed them at the funeral.     What I didn't get was if the belt had a listening device in it, or if she had broken into Eve's hotel room?  How was she monitoring the calls/conversation?  I do think it was a little unrealistic that he would have followed her b himself and just left messages for Eve without actually talking to her...and followed her into a crowded space.   He was older, not senile. 

[slf]

What was in that box that Villanelle took out of Eve's suitcase? It looked like either medicine or a beauty product but Villanelle pouted and said, "poor baby."

Edited April 24, 2018 by slf

[catrice2]

19 minutes ago, slf said:

What was in that box that Villanelle took out of Eve's suitcase? It looked like either medicine or a beauty product but Villanelle pouted and said, "poor baby."

I made up in my head that it was something for hemmroids  or vaginal dryness! 

[Zoe]

3 hours ago, catrice2 said:

What I didn't get was if the belt had a listening device in it, or if she had broken into Eve's hotel room?  How was she monitoring the calls/conversation?

Definitely in the belt

[AuntiePam]

In case anyone's wondering about the translation of "scheisse" (uttered by Bill in the club as he sees Villanelle coming for him) -- it's "f***". 

I don't watch previews and am sad to see there appears to be a funeral.  Could he have survived?  She stabs him in the upper chest -- which was surprising, because it's easy to see what she's doing.  I'd expect her to go lower, which would be less noticeable.

My only nitpick was that there wasn't enough showing of Eve's scarf for Bill to recognize it.  So he must have recognized Villanelle, and used the scarf as an excuse to accost her.  ??

[catrice2]

1 hour ago, AuntiePam said:

In case anyone's wondering about the translation of "scheisse" (uttered by Bill in the club as he sees Villanelle coming for him) -- it's "f***". 

I don't watch previews and am sad to see there appears to be a funeral.  Could he have survived?  She stabs him in the upper chest -- which was surprising, because it's easy to see what she's doing.  I'd expect her to go lower, which would be less noticeable.

My only nitpick was that there wasn't enough showing of Eve's scarf for Bill to recognize it.  So he must have recognized Villanelle, and used the scarf as an excuse to accost her.  ??

I didn't realize he recognized the scarf until someone mentioned it here. I also could not see it.  I thought he recognized her from the street and then put it together with Eve's sketch based on how intently she was studying Eve.  Did he say he saw the scarf?  The way she stabbed him and with her being a professional I would be surprised if he survived.  If he did, she would consider that a failure and really go on a tear.  I thought she started off low and moved  higher in a frenzy. 

[slf]

Okay but that scarf really was ugly- green with freaking zebras on it.

[Dowel Jones]

Villanelle was given strict instructions "not to do anything naughty" by her handler.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out next episode.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

12 hours ago, atlantaloves said:

This show has already been renewed you say? Yahoooooo...but booooooo on killing Bill.....Damn it. 

Yes, the show was renewed for S2 before the first episode aired. 

On 4/5/2018 at 11:33 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Killing Eve has been renewed for S2

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BBC AMERICA President and GM Sarah Barnett said, “This show has the thunder of women on both sides of the chase in Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer and, importantly, behind the camera with the lavishly brilliant Phoebe Waller-Bridge. The early response to Killing Eve has been incredible – for that reason, as well as the fact that we wholeheartedly love this original, funny, thrillingly entertaining series, we are delighted to move ahead with a second season before we even premiere.”

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by ElectricBoogaloo

[attica]

11 hours ago, AuntiePam said:

In case anyone's wondering about the translation of "scheisse" (uttered by Bill in the club as he sees Villanelle coming for him) -- it's "f***". 

Ah, I hate to be That Guy, but 'scheisse' is German for 'shit.' Which, granted, same meaning in the situation. 

[pasdetrois]

I definitely perceived Bill as spotting the green scarf on Villanelle. It was tucked below the lapels of her jacket, but visible.

[AuntiePam]

3 hours ago, attica said:

Ah, I hate to be That Guy, but 'scheisse' is German for 'shit.' Which, granted, same meaning in the situation. 

Google's translator gave me the other, but yeah, same meaning.

So Bill grabbed Villanelle to keep her from getting on the train with Eve.  If he was so sure of who she was, why didn't he restrain her and call for help? 

[skyways]

He lost their bags, now he sees a lady wearing her scarf?? Of course he was not sure......that's why he followed. Remember he was eye-rolling anytime Eve said 'it was a woman' theory?  I saw it as a mixture of 'what the........? could this be her?? ' kind of curiosity. As soon as he followed as long as he did........I knew he was a goner. The handler too is a goner with his 'I don't trust you any more'......

And me again noticing her clothing........what was she wearing in that club??? It looked like a severe suit but an ugly one.....

Edited April 24, 2018 by skyways

[taanja]

So I had not heard or read anything about this show. Image my surprise as I was flipping channels on Sunday (BBC is one of my "go to" channels when searching for something to watch) and suddenly there was Sandra Oh. I know this was the 3rd episode (I have not yet watched the first two) but I was completely entertained even not really knowing the premise. I don't usually like murder mysteries.  But this one is well written and rather intriguing I must say (though I knew partner dude (don't know the characters name and now he's dead) was going to get killed. It was blatantly telegraphed the entire episode. I was like-- yup -- dude is a goner.

Anywho... I'm going to go back and watch the 2 prior episodes and try try try to remember that new ones air on Sunday 

[atlantaloves]

Tannja:  Oh honey you will love this show....it's really really really good, and quite witty as well.

[taanja]

24 minutes ago, atlantaloves said:

Tannja:  Oh honey you will love this show....it's really really really good, and quite witty as well.

Like I said-- I watched the 3rd ep first and without knowing the history or even the premise-- I really enjoyed it. So I f I can remember it is on Sundays-- I will make a point of watching again.

[walnutqueen]

9 hours ago, AuntiePam said:

Google's translator gave me the other, but yeah, same meaning.

Google translator is scheisse.   If you type in German "scheisse" you get "fuck", but if you type in English "shit" you get "scheisse".  Epic fail.

(It means shit, by the way)

[dubbel zout]

20 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Villanelle was given strict instructions "not to do anything naughty" by her handler.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out next episode.

She ignores her handler all the time, and he doesn't seem to be able to do much about it.

Bill was pretty obvious tracking Villanelle, especially once the tram nearly separated them. When she turned in the club and started toward him, that was so chilling. Poor Bill. Of course he was a goner.

[gibasi]

Well now I don't know if I will continue knowing there is already a Season 2.  I did not like Bill's death and fast forwarded through it all but I was hoping the season would end with Villanelle's comeuppance.  I like Sandra Oh in this and am glad that she will be over her infatuation with Villanelle now.  But watching all the different ways Villanelle manipulates people, uses them and kills them in these outlandish ways is not appealing to me at all.  Maybe it is better to get out now.

[smartymarty]

On 4/23/2018 at 5:46 PM, pasdetrois said:

Plus he and Eve seemed to be careless, given that they know the killer is targeting Eve. It's hard for me to believe that Eve wouldn't have had a heightened sense of alarm and been searching her environment constantly.

I'm disappointed they got rid of Bill. His colleague chemistry with Eve was delightful. Maybe the actor got another gig.

It seemed incredibly reckless behavior for Bill, considering all the background they gave us on him. Once he decided to continue to follow her, despite letting her know he knew who she was, I knew he was a goner. But it seemed really stupid. Wouldn't an agent know not to get caught in the crowded club where he can't control his environment?

And shouldn't Eve have security about her now that they all know the killer knows her? What did the supervisor say, "but this is a department that doesn't exist." Fine, but then be more careful with Eve considering she has a target on her back. (And if the department does not exist, then either Villanelle's employers have someone in British Intelligence telling them about it anyway, or their knowing about it is a plot fail.)

For those who did not see Bill's attack coming, please tell me you did see the suitcase being stolen, putting together the "you lost your last suitcase" and "Bill, watch my suitcase" lines.

And yet, I'll keep watching because the story is very compelling.

[attica]

Since David Haig is gone, I would feel remiss if I didn't point out that viewers will remember him as randy groomsman (and second [randy] groom) Bernard in Four Weddings and a Funeral. 

[dubbel zout]

That’s why he was so familiar! Thanks for the ID, @attica!

[justmehere]

6 hours ago, gibasi said:

Well now I don't know if I will continue knowing there is already a Season 2.  I did not like Bill's death and fast forwarded through it all but I was hoping the season would end with Villanelle's comeuppance.  I like Sandra Oh in this and am glad that she will be over her infatuation with Villanelle now.  But watching all the different ways Villanelle manipulates people, uses them and kills them in these outlandish ways is not appealing to me at all.  Maybe it is better to get out now.

I agree, somewhat. I never watched Dexter beyond the first couple of episodes because it made me feel sick. I tuned in here for Sandra Oh and have been caught by the characters and the presentation. The hairpin in the eye was a lot; Bill's death may be too much. I'm still in for now.

Side note: I watch Good Behavior with Michelle Dockery, where there is also a contract killer, and I love that show. They've done it in a way that is watchable yet makes very clear how bad it is... and you still root for the guy, himself, if not for his profession. There's only been one death, really, that was unwatchable. Others are "just" uncomfortable. Heh.

Back on topic: I'm hoping for some sort of twist that changes the dynamic here. If it's ongoing pursuit, near misses, and people around Eve dying, continuing into another season, I'll be disappointed. The fact that they've already shifted the dynamic is encouraging. The performances are so good too. So, I'm still in for now.

[atlantaloves]

Well, I am loving this show as well, and agree about Good Behavior, it is so bad, it is good. You just have to leave reality behind with it, I love her contract killer boyfriend as well.  I like this contract killer as well on Killing Eve....SHE IS EVIL!

[ShannaB]

I read an article a month ago about new shows starting and I noticed Sandra Oh and KILLING EVE.  I immediately set my DVR to record the series because I seem to have the memory of a gnat lately.  I was pleasantly surprised when I saw 2 episodes taped (yep, I forgot ).  Got to say that I am loving this series so far and I WILL NOT forget to watch on Sundays from now on. 

I am truly sorry about Bill because I enjoyed the dynamic between him and Eve.  He was a good partner for her but the hunt had to become REAL real for Eve.  It had to have consequences slammed into her on a personal level.  I bet we see a very different Eve from now on - focused and deadly.  Bubbly Eve is gone and the new Eve will be inching her way into a Carolyn type character who seems brilliant but weary from seeing too much with MI6.  Just my musings.

I am pleased that so many others like Sandra Oh.  I watched her on GREY'S ANATOMY but the first time I saw her was in a series called ARLISS.  Guess it was on HBO, same as DREAM ON.  I was young and I blushed a lot because it was raunchy.  Oh my young eyes!!!! :)  Richard Whul played a conniving sports agent and Sandra Oh was his very out upon secretary.  She was amazing!  I do have to say that my parents thought ARLISS was a comedy  and  so they dismissed it as harmless for me to watch.  If they only knew.

I know Jodie Comer (Villanelle) from THE WHITE PRINCESS.  I didn't particularly care for that short series but I am a sucker for British history.  I have to say that I am impressed with Comer's acting in KILLING EVE.  The way she focuses on her victims as they are dying is quite chilling.

[Dowel Jones]

20 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

She ignores her handler all the time, and he doesn't seem to be able to do much about it.

True, but I wasn't really thinking about him, I guess.  I think he has a boss too, and if that's the case (rather than being independent), the boss(es) will be rather angry also.

[proserpina65]

That's it, previously I found Villanelle vaguely amusing but now I want her dead.