S04.E10: The Hangover

[Alison]

16 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Seems harsh.   It's possible that Kathryn is on a medication to help her fight her substance problems. It's probable that she's not a sociopath.  Everyone is different regarding the "emotion" associated with their "absent" children.  Kathryn had much more time to bond with her daughter before the children were taken away; give her a break...and some time.

I thought the same thing. Having been on a litany of psych meds at various times for my issues, too high of a dose/the wrong combination can make you flat and affectless. Combine that with feeling awkward and uncomfortable, and I kind of get why Kathryn came off like she did.

I thought Cameran's reaction upon Naomie telling her about Thomas courting Ol' Land-o said everything. They all seem to be as horrified by this as the viewers. The fact that T Rav has another girlfriend right now leads me to believe that this was truly a producer set-up.

[Gem 10]

Regarding Craig & Naomie .. IMO, they remind me of a couple that have been married for awhile, and wake up one day and say "is this it?).  They bicker like a married couple.  Right now, they should be in that warm, romantic phase ... But they are not.  She's very disatisfied with him, and he's getting pissed that she's a nag.  They both have a point tho.

[Nancypants]

On 6/6/2017 at 11:16 PM, Emmeline said:

Clearly Thomas has unprotected sex on occasion (1 pregnancy scare and 2 pregnancies) and Shep admitted once on WWHL that he sometimes assumes the female uses something.  When Andy Cohen asked Shep about it he said "because it feels so good."  This is something shocking to me considering their number of sexual partners.  

Yet it's ALWAYS the women being slutshamed

I no longer care about Craig and Naomie. Its a Non Issue, they're still together.

Is there anything more tiresome than when couples fight, esp in public?... Keep that shit yourselves ! Nobody wants to see that.

[Gem 10]

52 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

Landon being desperate is spot on. I kind of feel sorry for her that this is being played out on TV. I don't know many men who could live with her voice. She can't help how she talks or laughs, I'm sure there's someone out there for her.

I think the whole Craig/Naomie storyline is just for TV. The more ridiculous their scenes become, the more I am convinced this is just another contrived storyline. 

During the first season, this show was a delight to watch. Now that we're into season 4 and everyone is feeling the love from their fans, and production is watching the ratings, you can see it reflected in the gawdawful storylines and situations, and the shitty editing. It's as if no one really cares anymore.

Yes .. It's really a shame with this show.  One doesn't know if it's real or its fake anymore.  

[Nancypants]

I completely agree. It has gone from a Must Watch to a Hate Watch

[honeydo7]

Heard Thomas hooked up with a new lady months ago & those scenes of him "courting," Landon are just scripted nonsense, A&E hopes will keep viewers tuning in.

[Major Bigtime]

I read in a private forum that Thomas and Kathryn are working out a custody arrangement. I hope to hell she can stay sober for this will be her last chance at ever having her kids by herself.

[RHJunkie]

2 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

Landon being desperate is spot on. I kind of feel sorry for her that this is being played out on TV. I don't know many men who could live with her voice. She can't help how she talks or laughs, I'm sure there's someone out there for her.

I think the whole Craig/Naomie storyline is just for TV. The more ridiculous their scenes become, the more I am convinced this is just another contrived storyline. 

During the first season, this show was a delight to watch. Now that we're into season 4 and everyone is feeling the love from their fans, and production is watching the ratings, you can see it reflected in the gawdawful storylines and situations, and the shitty editing. It's as if no one really cares anymore.

Yeah, I definitely get the Kardashian reality vibe from this show now. Considering it's Bravo, I'm not sure why they don't use the same ploy they use with the RH franchises - they just stir shit up behind the scenes and allow the authentic reactions to unfold in front of the cameras.

We already know that the Cameron storyline was exaggerated because she was actually trying to get pregnant all the while on the show she was suggesting that she had no interest in being a mom. So they turned a situation of 'trying and unsuccessfully conceiving' into 'I don't want kids, I'm too selfish to be a mom'. At least she raised some sensible points about the issue even though it wasn't a true reflection of where she was at in her life.

[Major Bigtime]

1 minute ago, RHJunkie said:

even though it wasn't a true reflection of where she was at in her life.

And that would piss me off, royally!!! What if her child grows up to see that Mommy didn't want to have her??? That's why I hate scripted shows like this, when they sink that low it degrades everyone involved.

[Giselle]

16 hours ago, snarts said:

I agree.  I've always thought her issue with Kathryn had a lot to do with her dumping Whitney for Thomas.  

My view as well.  Not everyone is uber demonstrative with affection, especially in public.  Kathryn was walking into a super uncomfortable situation, while being filmed.  She's often been accused of being overly dramatic so I think she purposely played it cool.  She would've been called out either way.  Had she run up to the kids, people would say she was play acting for the cameras.  You could see later shots of her pulling Kensington around in Craig's gift, Kensington was having a blast.  

If Whitney loved Katherine Pat would sing her praises and cut anyone down who besmirched her as Pat does now.

[scenicbyway]

Thank goodness Landon didn't go to the birthday party.  I'm guessing she was invited (for the show) but also asked not to come because there are real kids involved and why mess with a Katherine who's trying at the moment.  Thomas almost seems scared of Katherine, which I thought was just odd.

I'm annoyed with Cameran's storyline.  For the past two seasons its been "I don't want to get fat, I don't want to be a mother."  And then in this episode it sounded like she's only having the kid because she feels like she's denying her husband's right to be a father?  Yet she's teary eyed about the whole thing.  On her social media its seems like they always planned to have children.  So why blame her husband for both of them wanting to have kids?  Either she wants kids or she feels guilted into it.  It sure seems like she wants them.

I think Pat not talking to Katherine was fine.  Pat's at a place in her life where she can do that.  Katherine snubbing Jennifer though was ridiculous.  Thomas hands Jennifer a handkerchief at the reunion and Jennifer can never be forgiven in Kat's eyes?  Puleeze.

Naomi and Craig are fighting literally for camera time.   That's the only explanation for their behavior.  Maybe they felt like Austen and Cheltsie were a threat to their camera time?  So they've manufactured some drama to stay relevant because "happy" couples don't get shown.  If they are really fighting, Naomi should've kicked Craig out months ago.

Shep's drinking.  Whatever?  He's not on a road to rehab or redemption.  Moving out of a brand new house into a beach shack isn't going to change his lifestyle, he'll just find a new bar that's closer.

On ‎6‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 8:23 PM, zenme said:

I think Naomie's problem is that she's young and still hasn't learned to temper her opinions. Maybe watching the show will offer her a chance to see what some of us see and make some changes in the way she deals with Craig. Also, I think she's a Type A personality and Craig is not. They need to learn how to navigate that, as well, and adjust their expectations.

But why should she temper her opinions?  Craig's sitting at home making garden boxes or sewing cats on pillowcases while feeding the cat and Naomi's at school earning a masters degree.  Craig had 4 years to get his law degree finished and take the bar but he chose to live off show money instead.  I can see her frustration, if she questions him at all, he thinks she's being disloyal.  Your partner should be supportive but also be the one who can point out when you're being a jerk.

[Major Bigtime]

5 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

Thomas almost seems scared of Katherine, which I thought was just odd.

You've never had to live with her.

[sugarbaker design]

1 hour ago, Major Bigtime said:

for this will be her last chance at ever having her kids by herself.

Ever?!

[Major Bigtime]

3 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Ever?!

Not for many years, if she cannot get sober and stay that way. Her activities during the past couple of months show she's not been sober since rehab. I know addicts, it's a tough road and unless she is willing to do the work, it won't stick.

[sugarbaker design]

6 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

I know addicts

So do I.  I was just questioning the word 'ever'.  Her kids are very young.  It's true she might fuck up her custody chances for a long time, but certainly not forever.

[Major Bigtime]

As far as her children are concerned, a year or two and they might not remember much about her. To Kathryn, that would feel like forever. Having to constantly reconnect with her children as time passes.

[nexxie]

I hope this isn't true,  but I suspect Kathryn mainly sees her children as a connection to Thomas.

[Petunia13]

On 6/6/2017 at 8:19 PM, Atlanta said:

Kathryn needs to model for Pantene.

It's synthetic and she has no edges. 

[slowpoked]

4 hours ago, honeydo7 said:

Heard Thomas hooked up with a new lady months ago & those scenes of him "courting," Landon are just scripted nonsense, A&E hopes will keep viewers tuning in.

I gotta give credit to Landon - even she is not buying this BS either. Everyone has pushed her but she's kept a good distance. I think if she wanted him badly she would have jumped in, production shenanigans or not. I do think she genuinely thinks he's a good guy, and would date him under different circumstances. But at least Landon's sensible enough to stay away, knowing if she does get involved that Kathryn will be in her life forever.

So the Landon/Austen thing that both Shep and Austen hyped up is dunzo?! That's it?! That's so nothing. It speaks to the sadness of this season if they have to hype up what seemed like a harmless, short-lived flirtation among two people as something so scandalous!

2 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Maybe they felt like Austen and Cheltsie were a threat to their camera time? 

Since this season will come to a close soon, I'm actually glad they have Austen and Chelsea this season as a seemingly somewhat normal couple, however scripted it may be, or not, and whatever their real status might be. Because if not for the two of them, all you'll have on this show are dysfunctional relationships. And they even had to push a happy couple to fight to have more "intriguing" storylines.

Edited June 8, 2017 by slowpoked

[Nancypants]

1 hour ago, Petunia13 said:

It's synthetic and she has no edges. 

Whatever. It's magnicent hair.

[arejay]

1 hour ago, Nancypants said:

Whatever. It's magnicent hair.

I couldn't agree less.

[Major Bigtime]

LOL, it's not even hair. Synthetic wig/extension hair has to be replaced every so often because it gets raunchy looking.

[zoeysmom]

8 hours ago, Nancypants said:

Yet it's ALWAYS the women being slutshamed

I no longer care about Craig and Naomie. Its a Non Issue, they're still together.

Is there anything more tiresome than when couples fight, esp in public?... Keep that shit yourselves ! Nobody wants to see that.

I believe that is Craig's point.  Forever more they are the dysfunctional couple that stays together.

[HunterHunted]

Whitney didn't have feelings for Kathryn. He didn't like her using him to get access to Thomas, but he can't stand her because she's messy (though so is he) and she hijacked his garbage show, which was going to be a Southern version of Entourage. Even when Bravo made them cast women, the fulltime female cast members were Cameran, who was engaged, and Jenna, who was a kept woman. Danni was a friend of whose storyline was her pathetic love triangle with Thomas and Shep where she ultimately concludes that both of the guys suck. In the midst of this comes the Ginger Tornado. Next thing you know, 4 of the guys are into her. Three of them sleep with her. She has a pregnancy scare. She's got a will they won't they with Thomas, but a flirty friendship with Shep and a secret with Whitney. Next thing you know, there isn't a single question about Renob at the reunion. There is only a question about Generalissimo in comparison to the Palace Hotel. Her drama managed to make Whitney look like a pathetic bitter hanger-on.

She Urkelled him. Family Matters started off being about the Winslow family featuring Steve Urkel. It ended as the Urkel Show featuring the Winslows (mostly Carl, Laura, and Eddie).

Edited June 9, 2017 by HunterHunted

[Bronzedog]

She did Urkel him!  Great description, HunterHunted!  She circle Urkelled almost all of them!

[robroy]

Is Urkelling now a catch phrase for popping 5 Viagra and having the butler manually thrust your hips??? Because I just cannot imagine that guy bedding a woman. Or man. Or plastic doll of any variety....

And I am not seeing Craig as eternally attractive. Well (and over) groomed maybe. TRav is probably the most attractive of the guys at any given age and I don't even really care for him.

As an aside- yesterday I walked by the salon where Cheltsie works. I had no clue it was even there and have been by there 2 million times. I actually had to do a double take. For storyline purposes I think having a hair dresser was a stroke of genius. When all else fails just send them off for a haircut and let the conversation set up future scenes. They might have stolen that from ESPN that has done interviews from barbershops before.

[Alison]

20 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Yeah, I definitely get the Kardashian reality vibe from this show now. Considering it's Bravo, I'm not sure why they don't use the same ploy they use with the RH franchises - they just stir shit up behind the scenes and allow the authentic reactions to unfold in front of the cameras.

We already know that the Cameron storyline was exaggerated because she was actually trying to get pregnant all the while on the show she was suggesting that she had no interest in being a mom. So they turned a situation of 'trying and unsuccessfully conceiving' into 'I don't want kids, I'm too selfish to be a mom'. At least she raised some sensible points about the issue even though it wasn't a true reflection of where she was at in her life.

I know what we're seeing play out arguably makes for better TV, but I think it would humanize Cameran a bit if she shared her struggles with conceiving. How she's portraying it is super disrespectful to people who have fertility issues. I wonder if the absent Mr. Wimberly wasn't keen on their situation being seen by millions (thousands?) of people.

[zenme]

I didn't see Cameran as being particularly disrespectful to people with fertility issues. Her storyline was that she wasn't sure about having a baby at that time, or ever.   We know that it was a fabrication, and that she did plan on children, but I guess the powers that be had her exaggerate her anxiety about it for the sake of show.  I never saw her as being disrespectful, it wasn't as though she was faking infertility.   

[RedDelicious]

I never got the impression that Cameran was having fertility issues.  She just wasn't sure if she was ready to become a mother.

[JenE4]

15 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

 

She Urkelled him. Family Matters started off being about the Winslow family featuring Steve Urkel. It ended as the Urkel Show featuring the Winslows (mostly Carl, Laura, and Eddie).

Ha-ha-ha! That's awesome! This needs to become an official PTV phrase.

[gunderda]

On 6/7/2017 at 11:46 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

 Uh, these 2 are not exactly a fun couple.  So again, why the heck is she still with him?  The only thing I can come up with is she wants to be on a hit show on Bravo.  And if that's the case -- as I'm pretty sure it is, then she's just another user & she stinks.  

Free Gizmo!  Gizzie deserves better "parents" than those 2!

The moment when Craig pulled up to his house and she acted so happy about it... That's how I truly think those two are with each other.  yea they probably fight.. they're still immature... but I have to say I was surprised by her reaction to the house (because of how she acted when he told her he had finally passed law school) so I think most of the fights we are seeing are caused due to filming. 

Then again, they could probably break up in a month and I wouldn't be surprised but I think they compliment each other in a lot of ways.  

[slowpoked]

On 6/7/2017 at 5:57 PM, KnoxForPres said:

Oddly ole Austen seems made for what  reality tv sought out to be before it became a shitshow.  He seems totally unfazed by it and kind.  And Bravo is giving him a great edit thus far which makes me think he's too good for all of this. 

Gizmo for MVP.  

Word on the street is that he's really mini-Shep, despite the good guy character on TV. He's reaping the "benefits" of being on a TV show, picking up and hooking up with women in Charleston, NYC, etc. Sometimes Shep tags along, sometimes on his own. 

And yes, Gizmo for MVP.

Edited June 9, 2017 by slowpoked

[RHJunkie]

9 hours ago, Alison said:

I know what we're seeing play out arguably makes for better TV, but I think it would humanize Cameran a bit if she shared her struggles with conceiving. How she's portraying it is super disrespectful to people who have fertility issues. I wonder if the absent Mr. Wimberly wasn't keen on their situation being seen by millions (thousands?) of people.

I haven't heard anything about her having issues with conceiving, just that she and her husband were actually trying. That could be as simple as having unprotected sex or as complicated as having tests done, working with doctors and timing ovulation. If it was as complicated as the latter, I would more consider that struggling with conceiving. It's easy to forget that odds of conception are actually quite low and it's pretty amazing to think what scientific odds are overcome in order to fertilize an egg. Personally, I think it's fascinating...so much so that it's about one of the few things I still remember from grade 10 biology, lol. 

Assuming that she wasn't 'struggling' with conception, I at least hope that her position on the show is something that she may have at least experienced at some point in her life...maybe before she met husband...or maybe it was a topic they did in fact discuss in length before they got married or early into their marriage. As much as I appreciate the message she's sharing, it would be nice to know that it was at least authentic...even if she's since moved past it. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

37 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

Word on the street is that he's really mini-Shep, despite the good guy character on TV. He's reaping the "benefits" of being on a TV show, picking up and hooking up with women in Charleston, NYC, etc. Sometimes Shep tags along, sometimes on his own. 

And yes, Gizmo for MVP.

So Austen is merely a Horseteeth 2.0?  Really?  Wonder if he's sleeping all day too.  Ew.

Oh Giz, you are way too good for any of these cretins.

[zenme]

Every time I read "Horseteeth" I wince.

[RedDelicious]

Me too.

[Former Nun]

5 hours ago, zenme said:

Every time I read "Horseteeth" I wince.

I wince because it's so unfair (and NOT to horses).

[Former Nun]

On 6/8/2017 at 9:35 AM, scenicbyway said:

But why should she temper her opinions?  Craig's sitting at home making garden boxes or sewing cats on pillowcases while feeding the cat and Naomi's at school earning a masters degree.  Craig had 4 years to get his law degree finished and take the bar but he chose to live off show money instead.  I can see her frustration, if she questions him at all, he thinks she's being disloyal.  Your partner should be supportive but also be the one who can point out when you're being a jerk.

Can I hear an AMEN???

[zenme]

Tempering her opinion does not mean she shouldn't have one, or express one. She should! She needs to learn, and hopefully she will as she becomes older and wiser, that there is a time and place for everything, and there is also always a way to say something honestly in such way  that the other person can receive it.  For example, at Craig's surprise and celebratory dinners--those were not the times to bring up her issues with Craig and the bar, etc. IMO, she should've allowed him to revel in his joy.  Like I said, maybe in watching herself on TV she'll be able to figure that out faster than it takes many adults, including myself, to do. 

ETA: I say this as someone who finds Craig annoying AF

Edited June 10, 2017 by zenme

[sasha206]

On 6/6/2017 at 7:56 PM, zenme said:

I actually don't mind that Pat didn't go out of her way to speak to Kathryn. Now, I think it would be different if Pat and Kath were reaching over the chips and salsa and Pat didn't acknowledge her with a simple "Good afternoon, Kathryn" or something akin to Senfeld's "Newman."  She avoided her I guess so as not to appear fake. That would have Pat doing some shit talking in the car  followed by fake niceties? Nah. I think it's prudent just to avoid her altogether. I thought Kathryn completely ignoring Jen--and even worse, innocent baby boy, was even more rude. Even heartless. 

I agree.  She doesn't like Kathryn.  Kathryn lunged at her son calling him a nasty mother fucker or something like that.  Why should she treat Kathryn with any reverence?

[zoeysmom]

On ‎6‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 6:23 PM, zenme said:

I think Naomie's problem is that she's young and still hasn't learned to temper her opinions. Maybe watching the show will offer her a chance to see what some of us see and make some changes in the way she deals with Craig. Also, I think she's a Type A personality and Craig is not. They need to learn how to navigate that, as well, and adjust their expectations.

The problem is with having so many negative opinions on TV about the person you are supposedly in love with, is you can never erase what you said.  I just don't feel Naomie because I can't imagine why she sticks around when Craig has so many faults in her eyes.  I think Craig is different.  I do think he has tried to navigate his way through reality TV and the spoils it brings.  The first season he was in school, the second season he was a mess and having to deal with the fall out of not having finished law school and more importantly not having a reason to sit for the bar.  He partied too much and was basically just Shep and Whitney's whipping boy.  The third season was worse because he used his money to "buy" into a business where he was expected to be the step and fetch character for JD.  Great exposure for JD horrible for Craig.  Of course Craig was going to go to LA-the show pays his bills.  By this season he had a plan, finish law school and get ready to take the bar.  Naomie knew the plan and she also knew he was working on getting his paper done. 

Maybe the biggest issue is this show will never show a couple (both people) who are truly content.  You can feed the negativity by vomiting out whatever is on your mind and then expect to suffer the consequences.  With Naomie I question her immaturity in expecting another to change and why is she still with Craig?  Does she really want a lifetime of being pissed off?  I think Naomie would be thrilled if offered a full time role to kick Craig to the curb and be another Landon looking for love and pointing out how unsuitable are the men on the show are and continue to be.   

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

The first season he was in school, the second season he

The first season he wasn't in law school he was pretending he was studying for the bar, working for the sleazy lawyer and deciding he should be able to come into work whenever he wants and eventually getting fired for his crazy bad work ethic.

He has also said horrible things to Naomi so I don't see how he is handling this well.

[zoeysmom]

55 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

The first season he wasn't in law school he was pretending he was studying for the bar, working for the sleazy lawyer and deciding he should be able to come into work whenever he wants and eventually getting fired for his crazy bad work ethic.

He has also said horrible things to Naomi so I don't see how he is handling this well.

The show started filming in 2013 and premiered in March of 2014.  Craig lists his affiliation with Charleston School of Law (he did not say graduated) as 2011-2014.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-conover-6752a469/  Age wise it would make sense that he started law school at 23 years of age.  I don't think Craig wants to do transactional work-I think he sees himself as some star litigator.  Defending the rights of the underdog. I agree he was a huge nothing at the law firm and yet uses them as a reference on his Linkedin.  Craig also said he had to get the dean's permission to film.  This show makes me crazy with the adjusted timelines.  Craig also "worked" for the Public Defenders' office. 

I don't think Craig is handling things well.  I think he has dug down his heels and does not want to air his dirty laundry.  BTW the almighty Shep is whining about a bad edit and wants to address it at the Reunion.  I am at a loss and would like to defend Naomie but for someone who is getting a masters degree in business it is pretty basic you don't destroy the brand.  Craig has a brand and gets paid for doing reality star stuff like appearances and retweeting different products (Naomie does as well-same products as Craig).  I think they are pretty even in the saying horrible things department.  I see Craig as the "us against the world" type of guy and Naomie more about her own fabulousness. On some level it gives me hope that she plans to move on from Craig if the right opportunity presents itself.

 To me, at the beginning of the season they should have had a scene of Naomie and Craig discussing he was finishing his writing project so he could sit for the bar.  Instead they show him farting around with the cat and gardening.  I like the cat.  You have Naomie saying, "DO YOU WANT TO BE A FUCKING LAWYER OR NOT?"  Craig had just run down his day's events including that he did his writing.  Craig would make me nuts with all his various interests but I do think he is trying to make the most of his reality star fame while it lasts. 

I will be interested to see if Naomie is a part of the Reunion.  It has to smart for the producers that Craig passed the bar.  There is just no upside to good news on this show.  Same with Craig buying a house.  Naomie was so against it and there doesn't seem to be a logical reason.  It might have been beneficial if the two business majors would have sat down and she present the downside to him investing in real estate.  The next big thing if they decide to keep Craig will be what he does with his future post passing the bar.  So far he has mentioned going into a practice with some law school friends and working on reunification of parents and children.  Talk about a starving practice.  I guess it will Naomie a platform to say Craig needs clients who pay more. 

Edited June 11, 2017 by zoeysmom

[biakbiak]

Craig said he Was in his third year of law school when Whitney first approached him, that he said no for five months but asked the Dean for advice not permission and then started filming six months later meaning he would not have been in law school. He also talked about being a recent graduate during his first season.

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Craig said he Was in his third year of law school when Whitney first approached him, that he said no for five months but asked the Dean for advice not permission and then started filming six months later meaning he would not have been in law school. He also talked about being a recent graduate during his first season.

According to Craig's quotes he had a really long third year of law school.

I can only go by what Craig said his affiliation with the law school is-after saying that I looked up a photo from Naomie's Instagram and a picture of Craig and some friends who got married McCumber (I think he was on the show) and the guy had posted a picture with he and Craig graduating.  His Likedin indicates he graduated in 2013.  So you would be correct.  I don't when they started filming in 2013-but Kathryn was pregnant by June27 to July 5th in 2013 as she had her baby in March of 2014.  Would that mean they started filming in April, May I have no idea anymore.

I agree Craig had a horrible work ethic and no wonder the guy wasn't getting ready for the bar-he was still technically in law school as in he had not finished.  I don't have much hope for Craig in the legal world-was he even sworn in last month?  It makes me wonder if he passed the character portion to get sworn.  When I think of Craig forever it will be attached that he misrepresented his law school graduation.  Tying it back to Naomie I don't think she can ever gets past it.  I think she will always be disappointed that Craig lied and got caught.  She can never change it and it will always be mentioned no matter what Craig achieves.  Kind of like Luann and Tom from RHONYC-no matter how long they are married he will always be the guy that got caught kissing another woman a couple of weeks after being engaged. 

[Former Nun]

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I agree.  She doesn't like Kathryn.  Kathryn lunged at her son calling him a nasty mother fucker or something like that.  Why should she treat Kathryn with any reverence?

I agree!    I agree that Patricia doesn't have to treat Katherine kindly.   I agree that Whitney is a nasty motherfucker.

[Atlanta]

Speaking of Naomi and Craig, Gizmo has a new brother 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVLAZLYB4vQ/?taken-by=colonel_gizmo&hl=en

[Giselle]

On ‎6‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 4:56 PM, zenme said:

I actually don't mind that Pat didn't go out of her way to speak to Kathryn. Now, I think it would be different if Pat and Kath were reaching over the chips and salsa and Pat didn't acknowledge her with a simple "Good afternoon, Kathryn" or something akin to Senfeld's "Newman."  She avoided her I guess so as not to appear fake. That would have Pat doing some shit talking in the car  followed by fake niceties? Nah. I think it's prudent just to avoid her altogether. I thought Kathryn completely ignoring Jen--and even worse, innocent baby boy, was even more rude. Even heartless. 

 

I agree. If it were me and were in that position of grabbing the same chip I might add a benign compliment about her children since we are at their party but in no way would it lead to  further conversation with her.

I keep away from crazy . I'm polite if need be but I remove myself from further interaction.

[Major Bigtime]

4 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Speaking of Naomi and Craig, Gizmo has a new brother 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVLAZLYB4vQ/?taken-by=colonel_gizmo&hl=en

What a beautiful rescue cat! I want another season of them just so I can see the cats.

[sasha206]

17 hours ago, Former Nun said: