S04.E05: Craig Of All Trades, Master Of None

[Major Bigtime]

2 hours ago, LucyHoneychrrch said:

considering she's also a mother and must know what it feels like to worry about the health of a baby.

She could care less about those children, they were nothing but a cash machine for her via child support. She's only worried about her next fix.

1 hour ago, slowpoked said:

Of course, Kathryn is spewing on her social media that "Jen knows the whole truth about what happened in that scene, etc. etc

We all know the whole truth. That Kathryn went batshit crazy on the crew and anyone within striking distance.

[izabella]

1 hour ago, RedHawk said:

Unfortunately for Shep (and this is backed up in interviews with him that I've read) he now thinks he needs to earn his Bravo check by "making the show interesting" and it's backfiring on him. He was interesting just has he was in the early seasons, but this season he's coming across so badly.

If he wants to make things interesting, I wish he'd take the show to one of his family's vacation houses!  Shep really brought the house porn on this show! 

[Mar78]

24 minutes ago, scrb said:

 He doesn't necessarily need rental income to do more than cover the mortgage and property taxes, if there's a good chance the property will appreciate in value in a couple of years.  I don't know Charleston real estate so maybe he has reason to think it would be a good investment.

I'm not a realtor, but the local market is short on affordable rentals, so if he were to find a lower priced property and could keep a reasonable rental rate, he might have a decent idea. Also, Charleston is growing like crazy, so I think the property prices will keep rising for a while.  Craig seems to like being a handyman, so he could always do a flip and make some good money. 

[pasdetrois]

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It's ironic because Kathryn sure wants everyone to feel bad for her self-inflicted problems.

Kathryn cannot stand the thought of anyone else getting camera time because of their problems. That's HER schtick. A lot of people expressed sympathy for her in the beginning, which she masterfully played. She was projecting like crazy during that lunch. Her narcissism and addiction have rendered her inhuman.

That said, I do feel that Jennifer has been angling for a spot on the show since it began.

In one of the media links there was mention of Kathryn losing endorsements due to her behavior. I'm speculating that some of these folks early $300K or more annually, based on their Bravo paycheck plus endorsements and paid appearances.

Craig is bad news. His ego and arrogance used to be kind of funny - kind of an early adult thing - but it's settling in for good. Run Naomie - being called stupid because of a differing opinion is a deal breaker. Craig was expecting adulation at dinner and instead Naomi confronted him. He was furious.

Kenzie going to ballet - one of my all time weaknesses is little girls in ballet gear.

I hope Shep was exaggerating his nightly drinking load. I bet he thinks he's going to control the narrative in his new show. Perhaps he will if his "dates" are nincompoops.

ETA: was that Danni who was sporting a new engagement ring in the boat episode?

Also, I owned a rental property, and it was a challenge to keep long-term tenants, even in a desirable neighborhood. It was an older home, so maintenance was ongoing, and you can get some really loonie tenants, even with background checks. Craig will probably have a management company handle all of that, but where I live it's not cheap to do so. One of my tenants was doing a lot of cocaine, and evicting her was a nightmare.

Edited May 2, 2017 by pasdetrois

[ScoobieDoobs]

2 hours ago, LucyHoneychrrch said:

The lunch scene was horribly painful. Kathryn stood to lose nothing by being empathetic, and her lack of compassion came off as monstrous considering she's also a mother and must know what it feels like to worry about the health of a baby.

So does Shep have a hangover every single morning? Because even the thought of drinking 8-12 drinks per night every night is making me nauseated.

I am not knowledgeable about heavy drinking, but is it really possible to tolerate 12 drinks in a day?  Was Horseteeth exaggerating or is it really possible he drinks that much?  Jeez, that is not cute or hilarious, Horseteeth.  

Notice how he always gives that goofy Hee Haw laugh when he talks about his drinking or being hung over.  Not laughing with you, Horseteeth.  Alcoholism & liver failure & heart disease don't strike me as hilarious.  This show is actually kinda dark, inhabited by all these pathetic characters, eh?

"Roam-worthy"?  Oh, Snowflake you are killing me, hun.  Thanks for the giggle.  Sonja Morgan lives her life in the same cloud of delusions.  You are really a mess, Snowflake.  Wonder if she only "employs" interns too.

OK, we get it, Whitney.  You're trying desperately hard to hide your gayness from us.  It's not working in the least, but try if you feel you must.  Parade around some skank as your beard or say bro or dude a billion times.  It's annoying, but I can ignore it.  But when you start babbling misogynistic shit in your failed attempts to hide your gayness, then I get angry.  Cut that shit out, Whitney.

So wait, when exactly was it that Thom-ass could walk into a bar in tight pants & supposedly get any gal he wanted?  1985 or '86?  Or was this merely in some booze or coke-fueled haze?

Edited May 2, 2017 by ScoobieDoobs

[Jajamac]

15 hours ago, Sun-Bun said:

The most shocking part of that painfully uncomfortable Kathryn/Jennifer scene was that according to a refutable website, it was actually edited to be more positive for Kathryn. As in we didn't get to see the supposedly actual dramatic ending to that meeting that concluded with Kathryn storming out of there shouting about how the scene was supposed to be all about handkerchiefgate and not Jennifer's struggles with her infant who nearly died.

Holy Hellspawn, Kathryn really sunk to an entire new low with her icy self-entitlement displayed throughout this entire scene. Her former friend weeping about her son nearly dying is "manipulative"?!

Go fuck yourself, Kathryn---you don't deserve anything from anyone with your evil selfishness and obviously the courts agree.

T-Rav randomly talking to himself while drinking alone at home still tickles me.

Craig excitedly using a sewing machine and acting like a loyal housewife? Adorable! Craig excitedly telling Naomi he wants to start a clothing line with a friend and then telling her she's "acting dumb/ignorant" for not being enthusiastic about this random career whim?? Hideous!!

I love that Cameron confessed to once being into magic and spells because I was once too. I think many middle class white girls go through this "rebellious" stage and toy with white magic, actually, especially deep Southern ones. Or maybe like me, she just watched "The Craft" one too many times. Nice to see her working or pretending to work yet again; she desperately needs to do something more than just be the feisty busybody/pushy Cupid of this bunch.

Shep's health scare plot felt about as manufactured as his competing for one random new girl with Austen. Or attempting  to go into real estate with Cameron last season.

Speaking of manufactured plots, SURELY Thomas is courting Landon strictly for showmance purposes only. They just have zero chemistry; I think he had more chemistry when he was wooing Danni on S1! Or maybe Landon just really doesn't know how to act remotely romantic on camera---even her "maybe I love you" admittance to Shep last season came off like a little child revealing a silly schoolgirl crush and not a remotely seductive grown woman come-on. The dating pool for "OC" babes in Charleston willing to seriously date T-Rav really must be that small if he's as enamored with her as he claims.

Also, Landon: please stop with the mousy "thank youuuuuuuuu" squeaks. They're not cute or sweet, just annoying and off-putting. Some adult speech therapy would help her bunches.

We've barely seen JD this season, and that kinda bums me out---I somehow appreciated his sweaty good ol'boy guffaws and snorts((or as one of you so hilariously once commented here, "his Boss Hogging it up"! Hah!!!)).

I cringe every time Landon opens her mouth, especially the "thank yooooooooos"!!!

[Lizzing]

How many people stood up Whitney at the bar with Thomas?  Those 2 towers of seafood were enough for at least 4 people.  I have to say I was shocked at the practical side by side of Thomas today and the flashback to 4 years ago in that segment.  Dude has AGED in 4 years, and Shep should take heed.

I don't get Bravo's strategy here.  They're trying to make this Shep/Austen/Chelsea triangle a thing in the episodes, but have already announced Shep's new 'search for love' show.  It's like Bravo is conceding that the love triangle is entirely a put on halfway through the season.  I mean, yeah, we knew it was fake, but Bravo isn't supposed to pop the bubble of illusion during the run of the season.

[nexxie]

11 hours ago, scrb said:

Well Kathryn lacking any shred of compassions is no great surprise.

But why is Jennifer so desperate to please this monster?

During the lunch, Jennifer reflected back to when she told Kathryn everything. During the hunt, people with npd are charming and brilliant at zeroing in on their target (faking keen interest and closeness) - the victim wants that version back but has to get her head around the reality that her old intimate friend was a fraud.

Does anyone know if Asher is okay now?

[Missmissie173]

15 hours ago, acid burn said:

Landon basically meowing instead of saying "yeah" in that scene where she and Thomas ordered what were probably the world's most spit-in margaritas was so annoying and yet it reminded me of one of my all-time favorite movies, Super Troopers. 

This is "Roam" now, BTW. It's everything I assumed it would be (light on content, heavy on poor grammar and exclamation points): http://trovareco.com/. 

Well, you just described Landon to a tee...now, what do you think of her website?!!! ;)

[slowpoked]

55 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is an idea:  http://www.irealhousewives.com/2017/02/tom-sandovals-vanderpump-rules-salary.html  Sandoval was making $15k per episode way back in the show's third season.  Last season Vanderpump Rules ran over 20 episodes.

Craig at $15,000.00 per episode x 14 episodes a little over $200k a year. (Last season was 14 episodes.)  Craig and Naomi are besties with the Vanderpump Rules fools.  I am also told these tools on Southern Charm get paid for appearances in the off season.  Naomi probably gets paid something for each days work.  On Vanderpump Rules one of the things the producers had to change up were the waiters/bartenders living off their wages.  It is no longer realistic as we see them in New Zealand, driving Corvettes, footing the bar bill for a wedding.

It's interesting this has been brought up, because both Cameran and Shep just brought this up on their Twitter a day or so ago, when someone questioned what they were making. Cameran said they would actually make more doing Instagram shilling for those weight loss shakes (which Kathryn does, LOL) than filming the show itself. Now I don't know how much money really is there when you shill on Instagram, but it apparently made millionaires of some Bachelor/ette contestants. So make of that what you will.

 

43 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

That said, I do feel that Jennifer has been angling for a spot on the show since it began

Jennifer has said repeatedly that she has no interest in being a main cast member, due to the scrutiny they get. Same with Danni. She's fine being a secondary cast. If there was anyone who deliberately angled for a spot, it's Kathryn.

7 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Does anyone know if Asher is okay now?

Based on Jen's IG, it looks like he's thriving and healthy.

[RedHawk]

I thought the same thing! When she said "yeah" three times to Thomas every time it sounded like a cat meowing. He would never be able to put up with that!

[bichonblitz]

4 hours ago, sadie said:

Dear Shep, 8 or 10 or 12 drinks a day makes you a borderline alcoholic

Lol. Nothing borderline about it. He is a full on alkie. Mommy needs to step in and slap some sense in to him. 

Edited May 2, 2017 by bichonblitz

[bichonblitz]

46 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

I'm speculating that some of these folks early $300K or more annually, based on their Bravo paycheck plus endorsements and paid appearances.

Wow, lets just say for shits and giggles it's on the lower end of that, like $200K. For what, 13 weeks work? That's how long they film each season, right? I do believe Craig is fully intoxicated by the fame and easy money right now. I would be, too. Problem is, he's all over the place with his dreams and ambitions. He wants to be an entrepreneur. I'm not sure he has what it takes to get there and I believe he was lazy before he landed this gig and will continue to be lazy after it's all over. 

[pasdetrois]

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Jennifer has said repeatedly that she has no interest in being a main cast member,

I didn't say she wanted to be a main cast member. She has inserted herself into the show since the beginning, including going online at the old TWoP and challenging posters there about their mean comments. She dated Thomas, then railed against him when she sided with Kathryn, and now she and Kathryn aren't on good terms (understandably). The fact that she has an ill child doesn't mean she's not camera-hungry; apparently it pays pretty well.

[izabella]

7 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Wow, lets just say for shits and giggles it's on the lower end of that, like $200K. For what, 13 weeks work? That's how long they film each season, right? I do believe Craig is fully intoxicated by the fame and easy money right now. I would be, too. Problem is, he's all over the place with his dreams and ambitions. He wants to be an entrepreneur. I'm not sure he has what it takes to get there and I believe he was lazy before he landed this gig and will continue to be lazy after it's all over. 

Craig needs a plan.  He just passed his bar, so becoming a real estate attorney, and teaming up with a Cameron and other agents, would give him a start on a good, steady business.  In conjunction, he absolutely could invest in rental properties and make money that way, especially since he'd also be able to get connected with real estate developers and contractors.  He could do very well for himself, but he has NO plan but thinks he's going to go from zero to millionaire in 60 seconds just by getting an idea.  He is the very definition of someone who has everything but is doing nothing with it because it involves actual work, research, learning and hustling.

[Mojoker]

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It's ironic because Kathryn sure wants everyone to feel bad for her self-inflicted problems.

Kathryn cannot stand the thought of anyone else getting camera time because of their problems. That's HER schtick. A lot of people expressed sympathy for her in the beginning, which she masterfully played. She was projecting like crazy during that lunch. Her narcissism and addiction have rendered her inhuman.

That said, I do feel that Jennifer has been angling for a spot on the show since it began.

In one of the media links there was mention of Kathryn losing endorsements due to her behavior. I'm speculating that some of these folks early $300K or more annually, based on their Bravo paycheck plus endorsements and paid appearances.

Craig is bad news. His ego and arrogance used to be kind of funny - kind of an early adult thing - but it's settling in for good. Run Naomie - being called stupid because of a differing opinion is a deal breaker. Craig was expecting adulation at dinner and instead Naomi confronted him. He was furious.

Kenzie going to ballet - one of my all time weaknesses is little girls in ballet gear.

I hope Shep was exaggerating his nightly drinking load. I bet he thinks he's going to control the narrative in his new show. Perhaps he will if his "dates" are nincompoops.

ETA: was that Danni who was sporting a new engagement ring in the boat episode?

Also, I owned a rental property, and it was a challenge to keep long-term tenants, even in a desirable neighborhood. It was an older home, so maintenance was ongoing, and you can get some really loonie tenants, even with background checks. Craig will probably have a management company handle all of that, but where I live it's not cheap to do so. One of my tenants was doing a lot of cocaine, and evicting her was a nightmare.

What endorsements did Kathryn have?

[ScoobieDoobs]

That lunch scene with Jennifer & Kathryn really stuck in my head.  It made me think this show & the producers are just so lowball.  Showcasing the heartlessness & cruelty & self-absorption of Kathryn was awful.  And Kathryn saying Jennifer was being "manipulative" by discussing her baby's serious health issues?  Ugh.  Still cringing at this.

Kathryn said she was sympathetic but offered her zero sympathy.  Worse than that, she sat there twisting her hair & looking completely indifferent to Jennifer's pain.  This had to be one of the most awful things I've seen on a Bravo show.  Hated all of this.  Not sure how Kathryn can explain her atrocious behavior here.  She can't.  I'm still struck by the hideousness of this.

[Mojoker]

  3 hours ago, LucyHoneychrrch said:

considering she's also a mother and must know what it feels like to worry about the health of a baby.

She could care less about those children, they were nothing but a cash machine for her via child support. She's only worried about her next fix.

  2 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Of course, Kathryn is spewing on her social media that "Jen knows the whole truth about what happened in that scene, etc. etc

We all know the whole truth. That Kathryn went batshit crazy on the crew and anyone within striking distance.

If you mean she couldn't care less about her children, I've never seen or heard anything to suggest that Kathryn doesn't love her children and want them back. She made stupid decisions, in an unusually high pressure environment, and seems to be doing everything necessary to come back from that. And even when she had custody, Thomas wasn't paying very much child support, so it wouldn't constitute much of a "get rich quick" scheme, particularly when you consider that she had to carry, give birth to, and constantly care for two children to reach that payday.

[LIMOM]

18 minutes ago, izabella said:

Craig needs a plan.  He just passed his bar, so becoming a real estate attorney, and teaming up with a Cameron and other agents, would give him a start on a good, steady business.  In conjunction, he absolutely could invest in rental properties and make money that way, especially since he'd also be able to get connected with real estate developers and contractors.  He could do very well for himself, but he has NO plan but thinks he's going to go from zero to millionaire in 60 seconds just by getting an idea.  He is the very definition of someone who has everything but is doing nothing with it because it involves actual work, research, learning and hustling.

It is tricky. One one hand, I guess  he could get an associate job but it would pay less than him hustling on the show and whatever appearances and the like, I don't see him giving up on easy money.

If I were him, I would open my own shop and go from there...

naomi is a cutie, however I wonder if she is one of the OC after all...

Edited May 2, 2017 by LIMOM

[nexxie]

3 hours ago, bosawks said:

Thomas is going to have to offer some pretty heavy incentives to get someone to agree to a business arrangement/marriage once they meet Kathryn.

And however much it is, it still won't be near enough.......

Really! It's no wonder he mentioned regret at not listening to his father years ago.

[Nancypants]

37 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

I thought the same thing! When she said "yeah" three times to Thomas every time it sounded like a cat meowing. He would never be able to put up with that!

He should have to listen to Landons Voice in that Circle of Hell he is headed for.

[AttackTurtle]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

When that yotme nonsense happened, I was so irritated that Shep took the yacht guys' side without speaking to Landon. The billionaires not millionaires comment just didn't sound like what we'd heard from Landon up until now. I rescind my rebuke of Shep. Landon absolutely made that billionaires comment. She is ten times more obnoxious than I'd ever realized. How on earth did she manage to keep this delusional snobbery undercover? I have to think that the crew hated Kathryn so much that they left scenes with Landon being awful on the cutting room floor.

Craig's dinner was an opportunity to use those rhetorical skills he acquired in law school. Failed completely. I knew what he was going for (there are many ways to use your law degree and working at a firm and going to court is just one of the ways and not the only way), but the path he's taking to get to his point was rough.

Landon's behavior with Austen & Thomas totally confirmed the Yotme guys story for me.  

I see that Kathryn is upset with the "editing" of her lunch with Jennifer.  Every time a nitwit from these shows complain about how the edit, I want the show to air the entire footage (I would do unimaginable things for the scary island footage).  Something tells me Kathryn doesn't want the unaired footage to come out.

Craig lost me with the rom-com nonsense and stating that Naomi's should feel as lucky to be with him as he thinks she should be.

[chewycandy]

22 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

That lunch scene with Jennifer & Kathryn really stuck in my head.  It made me think this show & the producers are just so lowball.  Showcasing the heartlessness & cruelty & self-absorption of Kathryn was awful.  And Kathryn saying Jennifer was being "manipulative" by discussing her baby's serious health issues?  Ugh.  Still cringing at this.

Kathryn said she was sympathetic but offered her zero sympathy.  Worse than that, she sat there twisting her hair & looking completely indifferent to Jennifer's pain.  This had to be one of the most awful things I've seen on a Bravo show.  Hated all of this.  Not sure how Kathryn can explain her atrocious behavior here.  She can't.  I'm still struck by the hideousness of this.

Me too. In the link someone posted Jennifer said Kathryn walked away to smoke a cigarette and yelled at a producer that she wasn't there to film/talk about J's baby. Hideous indeed. I feel so bad for Kenzie and Saint.

Edited May 2, 2017 by chewycandy

[AttackTurtle]

12 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

If you mean she couldn't care less about her children, I've never seen or heard anything to suggest that Kathryn doesn't love her children and want them back. She made stupid decisions, in an unusually high pressure environment, and seems to be doing everything necessary to come back from that. And even when she had custody, Thomas wasn't paying very much child support, so it wouldn't constitute much of a "get rich quick" scheme, particularly when you consider that she had to carry, give birth to, and constantly care for two children to reach that payday.

Everything in the news these days would suggest that Kathryn is failing miserably in her efforts to regain custody of her kids.  She made a scene at her son's christening on Easter Sunday.  She's failing to comply with Court orders.  As far as not getting sufficient child support from Thomas...she hasn't had her kids for months.  She might want to get a job.   The show lasts 13 weeks a year.  She has plenty of time to get a job.  

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Craig Is Sewing Himself A Break-Up Sweater On Southern Charm

Craig has sooooo many projects, but none of them includes being a reasonable human.

[zoeysmom]

11 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

It is tricky. One one hand, I guess  he could get an associate job but it would pay less than him hustling on the show and whatever appearances and the like, I don't see him giving up on easy money.

If I were him, I would open my own shop and go from there...

naomi is a cutie, however I wonder if she is one of the OC after all...

Look at slimy Whitney, he has parlayed this show into two more franchises.  Shep has a show.  The real money is in being an Executive Producer.  I can see Craig wanting to learn and have a career producing or any number of show business related ventures including entertainment attorney.

Craig still has to be sworn in before he can practice law.  He could take a few cases during the year and keep his license current and when the show is cancelled be in place to start a legal career.  Being an attorney is not a bad back up plan - especially for a Bravo reality star.  I figure Craig and Naomie if they get married have a shot at a special.  What is true is Craig passing the bar will definitely get the dunce's cap off him for awhile.  Naomi mentioned that Craig was doing his thesis and studying for the bar but it just doesn't make for good TV.  So instead we see him wheeling the cat around and gardening and being flummoxed. 

Naomie seems to be pretty crazy about Craig so there must be something there. 

[slowpoked]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

When that yotme nonsense happened, I was so irritated that Shep took the yacht guys' side without speaking to Landon. The billionaires not millionaires comment just didn't sound like what we'd heard from Landon up until now. I rescind my rebuke of Shep. Landon absolutely made that billionaires comment. She is ten times more obnoxious than I'd ever realized. How on earth did she manage to keep this delusional snobbery undercover? I have to think that the crew hated Kathryn so much that they left scenes with Landon being awful on the cutting room floor.

I wasn't bothered too much by Landon's comment about Vail - maybe because we hear something similar most of the time here, the argument between Southern California and Northern California. It felt to me like it was just some friendly ribbing between someone who preferred Aspen and someone who likes Vail more. Of course, me and my friends are not being filmed when we argue, so there's that.

What was snobbish to me was her comment about not all places being "Roam-worthy". Seriously, what is even that shit?! There's not even Roam anymore for any place to be even worthy about anything. Heck, she's not even in level of a small-tier travel website because she hasn't launched yet, but she's acting like she's already Yelp or something. And the fact that she had to change the name of Roam to something else after the season has ended makes her claim even more ridiculous than it was when she made it in real time. 

[LIMOM]

10 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Look at slimy Whitney, he has parlayed this show into two more franchises.  Shep has a show.  The real money is in being an Executive Producer.  I can see Craig wanting to learn and have a career producing or any number of show business related ventures including entertainment attorney.

Craig still has to be sworn in before he can practice law.  He could take a few cases during the year and keep his license current and when the show is cancelled be in place to start a legal career.  Being an attorney is not a bad back up plan - especially for a Bravo reality star.  I figure Craig and Naomie if they get married have a shot at a special.  What is true is Craig passing the bar will definitely get the dunce's cap off him for awhile.  Naomi mentioned that Craig was doing his thesis and studying for the bar but it just doesn't make for good TV.  So instead we see him wheeling the cat around and gardening and being flummoxed. 

Naomie seems to be pretty crazy about Craig so there must be something there. 

Are they really going to get married to stay on my TV?

She seems so young and speaking from experience being an expat is nothing special. I think I heard that her parents went back to France and if I were her, I would follow.

one thing for sure none of those men lack in self esteem. For the life of me, I fail to see any marriage material in the lot and they are picky assholes to top it all.

As far as Thomas giving Kathryn child's support, he said that he gave her the SC minimum. So he is cheap as hell. 

10 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

I wasn't bothered too much by Landon's comment about Vail - maybe because we hear something similar most of the time here, the argument between Southern California and Northern California. It felt to me like it was just some friendly ribbing between someone who preferred Aspen and someone who likes Vail more. Of course, me and my friends are not being filmed when we argue, so there's that.

What was snobbish to me was her comment about not all places being "Roam-worthy". Seriously, what is even that shit?! There's not even Roam anymore for any place to be even worthy about anything. Heck, she's not even in level of a small-tier travel website because she hasn't launched yet, but she's acting like she's already Yelp or something. And the fact that she had to change the name of Roam to something else after the season has ended makes her claim even more ridiculous than it was when she made it in real time. 

Oh please, she is a damn snob like the rest of them. The crew must hear a handful. I bet you they hate all of them....

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I've posted quite a few times about this episode and yet Chelsea and Austen have never crossed my mind.  I guess that says it all when it comes to how I feel about their addition to the cast.

I am kind of liking Chelsea - I actually think she is just on the show for personal kicks...she always seems to be laughing at some private joke, like inside her head she's really laughing at how ridiculous all of this is.  

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, Mar78 said:

I'm not a realtor, but the local market is short on affordable rentals, so if he were to find a lower priced property and could keep a reasonable rental rate, he might have a decent idea. Also, Charleston is growing like crazy, so I think the property prices will keep rising for a while.  Craig seems to like being a handyman, so he could always do a flip and make some good money. 

Now - that is a flipping show I would love to watch!!  I love Charleston homes - small, large and in between - I would love to see Craig flipping smaller homes in Charleston, keeping the home's original historical design aesthetic.  

[Major Bigtime]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

She dated Thomas, then railed against him when she sided with Kathry

No, Jennifer didn't, that was implied on the show by the script-writer. She has been with Lee for around 10 years. Kathryn did more to imply they had slept together than anyone, for more screentime.

52 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

She made stupid decisions, in an unusually high pressure environment, and seems to be doing everything necessary to come back from that

I don't think so. Failed her latest drug test, a scheduled one she knew was coming. She caused a major scene at the public christening of Saint, and had to be escorted out after shouting at the priest, saying "Hey, look at her, she's a whore!" Pointing to the daughter of the current Nanny. If she'd stay off the show (the high-pressure environment), get into rehab and stay there for a while, stay at home with her parents and not be out partying every night, find a shrink who deals with sociopaths -- then I might give her a pat on the back for doing the right things to regain rights to her children.

[LIMOM]

2 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Now - that is a flipping show I would love to watch!!  I love Charleston homes - small, large and in between - I would love to see Craig flipping smaller homes in Charleston, keeping the home's original historical design aesthetic.  

Yep, he is easy on the eyes and the re porn. That is his niche...

[Mojoker]

35 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

Everything in the news these days would suggest that Kathryn is failing miserably in her efforts to regain custody of her kids.  She made a scene at her son's christening on Easter Sunday.  She's failing to comply with Court orders.  As far as not getting sufficient child support from Thomas...she hasn't had her kids for months.  She might want to get a job.   The show lasts 13 weeks a year.  She has plenty of time to get a job.  

I haven't seen that news. I have seen reports of Thomas harassing her and making unreasonable demands, including that she pay all his legal bills (where's she's supposed to get that money is unclear) while he continues to file legal motions that serve to ratchet up those bills. I haven't heard of any court orders that she's actually violated, just Thomas's claims that she has. As for child support, I specified that when she had custody Thomas was paying very little. He's 54 years old. He's so crazy about those kids that he doesn't let them live in the same house as he does and doesn't acknowledge them when he's doing something more important -- like thinking about polo.  If he was truly concerned about his kids, he'd be doing everything he can to help their mother get her act together so that she can be a central part of their live, NOT doing everything he can to trip her up and keep her out of her children's lives.  They won't thank him for it later.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, slowpoked said:

It's interesting this has been brought up, because both Cameran and Shep just brought this up on their Twitter a day or so ago, when someone questioned what they were making. Cameran said they would actually make more doing Instagram shilling for those weight loss shakes (which Kathryn does, LOL) than filming the show itself. Now I don't know how much money really is there when you shill on Instagram, but it apparently made millionaires of some Bachelor/ette contestants. So make of that what you will.

 

Jennifer has said repeatedly that she has no interest in being a main cast member, due to the scrutiny they get. Same with Danni. She's fine being a secondary cast. If there was anyone who deliberately angled for a spot, it's Kathryn.

Based on Jen's IG, it looks like he's thriving and healthy.

I just read an article that Khloe Kardashian gets paid $300,000.00 just to re-tweet something on her Twitter account.  So, if she re-tweets four things in one day (re-tweeting takes about 1/2 a second) - she made over a million dollars by tapping an icon on her phone.

Not to say the SC gang are in the same stratosphere as the Kardashians (God help us - what has this world become!!!), but they may be able to make a decent amount of money while they still have a modicum of popularity.

[LIMOM]

3 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

No, Jennifer didn't, that was implied on the show by the script-writer. She has been with Lee for around 10 years. Kathryn did more to imply they had slept together than anyone, for more screentime.

I don't think so. Failed her latest drug test, a scheduled one she knew was coming. She caused a major scene at the public christening of Saint, and had to be escorted out after shouting at the priest, saying "Hey, look at her, she's a whore!" Pointing to the daughter of the current Nanny. If she'd stay off the show (the high-pressure environment), get into rehab and stay there for a while, stay at home with her parents and not be out partying every night, find a shrink who deals with sociopaths -- then I might give her a pat on the back for doing the right things to regain rights to her children.

That is the price for that bravo paycheck. Dude you don't want to be misrepresented, get of the tv.

as far as Kathryn, yes she sucks but let's not forget that she was the break out star. Without her, no show...

[Mojoker]

2 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

No, Jennifer didn't, that was implied on the show by the script-writer. She has been with Lee for around 10 years. Kathryn did more to imply they had slept together than anyone, for more screentime.

I don't think so. Failed her latest drug test, a scheduled one she knew was coming. She caused a major scene at the public christening of Saint, and had to be escorted out after shouting at the priest, saying "Hey, look at her, she's a whore!" Pointing to the daughter of the current Nanny. If she'd stay off the show (the high-pressure environment), get into rehab and stay there for a while, stay at home with her parents and not be out partying every night, find a shrink who deals with sociopaths -- then I might give her a pat on the back for doing the right things to regain rights to her children.

I wasn't at the christening, so I don't know what happened there. I know what a lot of unnamed sources said, according to notoriously inaccurate gossip sites, though I find it odd that, with so much drama going on, and an entire congregation of people no doubt recording the happy occasion with their phones, not one video or even photograph of this situation has popped up online.  But, again, if Thomas honestly had his children's best interest at heart, he would have considered their mother's feelings and wishes when planning the christening of their only son instead of shutting her out completely and just allowing her to attend as a member of the audience. There's nothing about this that wasn't designed to wound.

P.S.  Craig was absolutely correct: If Kathryn had ever acted toward her children the way that Thomas did at that polo match, that whole group would have burned her to the ground on the spot.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Mojoker

[scrb]

Main interest Kathryn may have in her kids is to use as leverage against Thomas.

She may still harbor illusions that she can get him to marry her.

Or pay child support and her other expenses.

If she had to tend to the kids without a nanny, she'd probably resent them.

[slowpoked]

16 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

I haven't seen that news. I have seen reports of Thomas harassing her and making unreasonable demands, including that she pay all his legal bills (where's she's supposed to get that money is unclear) while he continues to file legal motions that serve to ratchet up those bills. 

The court ordered her to pay those legal bills because her antics delayed the hearings/mediation and whatnot, and because of all the delays, Thomas' legal bills have also gone up higher than it would had she shown up on time and do what she was asked to do by the court.

More details here:

http://tamaratattles.com/2017/04/05/kathryn-calhoun-dennis-situation-is-dire-thomas-ravenel-admits-he-bought-her-an-engagement-ring/#

There are actual court documents in Daily Mail or something.

15 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I just read an article that Khloe Kardashian gets paid $300,000.00 just to re-tweet something on her Twitter account.  So, if she re-tweets four things in one day (re-tweeting takes about 1/2 a second) - she made over a million dollars by tapping an icon on her phone.

Ridiculous! And I bet you she's not even the one retweeting it, most probably her assistant.

Edited May 2, 2017 by slowpoked

[LucyHoneychrrch]

She failed another drug test?  Link?  I haven't seen that anywhere. 

I also find it difficult to believe the scene at the christening went down the way Thomas claims it did, considering this age of cameraphones.  

[psychoticstate]

The true star of this show has turned out to be Gizmo.  Please show him and his "I'm tired of your shit" reactions during every single episode.

I may be alone in this but I loved seeing Craig's glee over a sewing machine.  That was insanely awesome.  The only thing that would have topped it would have been if Shep had been at Chez Craig when the Amazon package arrived.  Serious gold. 

Craig clearly has no idea exactly what he wants to do but that's not totally shocking given that he's not 30 yet.   He obviously is not drawn to being an attorney so he needs to let that ship sail.  

TRav trying to date Landon?  Just no.  He's a drunk buffoon and she's a moronic Valley Girl.  

Why did we only get to see Lady Patricia in the opening?  

Cameran really has no storyline, does she?  The dolls were fascinating to look at though.

Shep, your liver has emailed me begging for mercy.  Quit drinking! Especially if your father had a heart attack before 40.   

Why does everyone think Chelsea is so stunning?  I don't get it.  Danni is much more elegant and pretty looking and no one appears to give two whits about her.  And not Whit - -nobody cares much about him. 

Kathryn is a fucking flame headed ogre.  It's one thing to have no fucks to give but this bitch is stone cold. How can you watch your friend break down over the emotion of not knowing if your baby would survive birth, much less an immediate operation and not even blink?  She wants it all about her, all the time, and doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone else is going through.  I feel sorry for those poor children - - a drunken/high French spouting, tight white pants wearing buffoon for a father and an entitled  "scion" of a southern family that's been smacked with the stupid stick too many times to count and makes a habit of collecting area men's sperm in various parts of her body.  As a poster above said, a jizz receptacle. Those kids are doomed. 

[LucyHoneychrrch]

2 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

 

I may be alone in this but I loved seeing Craig's glee over a sewing machine.  

 

DITTO.  It was so weirdly endearing.

[Misslindsey]

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The true star of this show has turned out to be Gizmo.  Please show him and his "I'm tired of your shit" reactions during every single episode.

It is a bit sad that I have wasted some time on Gizmo's Instagram page.

[AttackTurtle]

19 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

I haven't seen that news. I have seen reports of Thomas harassing her and making unreasonable demands, including that she pay all his legal bills (where's she's supposed to get that money is unclear) while he continues to file legal motions that serve to ratchet up those bills. I haven't heard of any court orders that she's actually violated, just Thomas's claims that she has. As for child support, I specified that when she had custody Thomas was paying very little. He's 54 years old. He's so crazy about those kids that he doesn't let them live in the same house as he does and doesn't acknowledge them when he's doing something more important -- like thinking about polo.  If he was truly concerned about his kids, he'd be doing everything he can to help their mother get her act together so that she can be a central part of their live, NOT doing everything he can to trip her up and keep her out of her children's lives.  They won't thank him for it later.

She has refused to submit to drug tests....putting her in contempt of Court and at risk of being jailed.  This information comes from Court records.  She yelled obscenities in a Church at her son's christening. She has spent today going after Jen Snowden on Twitter as opposed to trying to make any amends for how she behaved.

 Thomas is not under any obligation to straighten Kathryn out; however  I don't see Thomas trying to keep Kathryn away from the kids.  Presently, I think Thomas is doing what he can to keep his kids safe.  I get the impression that Thomas would prefer a healthy Kathryn, who can be in their kids lives.  I don't think he enjoys being the primary parent.  He's no prince, but I get the impression that he cares about the welfare of his children. 

 Again, I would love to see Kathryn get a JOB!   

[pasdetrois]

Speaking of Instagram, I'm assuming that Craig's and Naomie's Instragram posts are sponsored. I'm thinking of their frequent travel.

I could have sworn that Jennifer said she went out with Thomas - maybe during one of her talks with Kathryn? I could be wrong Major Bigtime.

Does Shep smoke? He sounds like he has a smoker's voice. That and the drinking and his father's cardiac history - it's time to get healthy.

[LIMOM]

14 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

She has refused to submit to drug tests....putting her in contempt of Court and at risk of being jailed.  This information comes from Court records.  She yelled obscenities in a Church at her son's christening. She has spent today going after Jen Snowden on Twitter as opposed to trying to make any amends for how she behaved.

 Thomas is not under any obligation to straighten Kathryn out; however  I don't see Thomas trying to keep Kathryn away from the kids.  Presently, I think Thomas is doing what he can to keep his kids safe.  I get the impression that Thomas would prefer a healthy Kathryn, who can be in their kids lives.  I don't think he enjoys being the primary parent.  He's no prince, but I get the impression that he cares about the welfare of his children. 

 Again, I would love to see Kathryn get a JOB!   

Like the rest of them, her job is the show.

Did Thomas pay for the Malibu rehab?

Thomas's wealth and his ability to afford great child care is his saving grace, he is too self involved to be a Great father, imo.

Does he make money out of his POLO team?

Edited May 2, 2017 by LIMOM

[HunterHunted]

50 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

Me too. In the link someone posted Jennifer said Kathryn walked away to smoke a cigarette and yelled at a producer that she wasn't there to film/talk about J's baby. Hideous indeed. I feel so bad for Kenzie and Saint.

I used to feel a little bad for Kathryn. She was so young in season one. She was 21. Craig was 24 or 25. Cameran and Jenna were in their late 20s. Shep was in his 30s. Whitney and JD were in their 40s and Thomas was 50 or 51. Besides her geriatric paramours ?, the rest of them, including Craig, were at such different stages of life. They had all had ample opportunity to act like irresponsible jackasses in their 20s and in Thomas' case his 40s and then get serious. By hooking up with Thomas and having a kid so early, she destroyed any opportunity to act like a fool without having to be responsible for anyone else. Had this never happened, she might have finished college, dicked around for a couple of years, ended up in a career she liked, settled down and married in her late 20s or early 30s. Having Kenzie, cut a full decade off of the time Kathryn needed to grow and mature on her own. Most normal people would have sucked it up and moved on, but Kathryn is a different beast entirely.

Kathryn demonstrated that she is a legitimately objectively quantifiably terrible horrible facsimile of a human being. She literally cannot fake human emotions any longer and she has no awareness that she's not fooling anyone. Does anyone know how to contact the queen of the lizard people? Kathryn is doing a shit job as a covert operative and needs to be recalled to her home planet.

[LIMOM]

Also why have a second kid, so quickly?

[Major Bigtime]

24 minutes ago, LucyHoneychrrch said:

She failed another drug test?  Link?  I haven't seen that anywhere. 

I also find it difficult to believe the scene at the christening went down the way Thomas claims it did, considering this age of cameraphones.  

Here is the link from the media thread, and I had it confirmed from a friend that she did indeed fail the test. Which is why she's not bragging that she passed.

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2017/04/30/southerncharm-kathryn-dennis-fails-new-drug-test-and-loses-all-rights-to-her-kids/

12 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

I could have sworn that Jennifer said she went out with Thomas - maybe during one of her talks with Kathryn? I could be wrong Major Bigtime

They may have had a dinner together, but they NEVER slept together. Most of what was focused on was Kathryn's over-reaction and blowing it way out of proportion, so she'd get more screentime. And more money.

Personally, from all I have heard, Kathryn could be a danger to her children. Imagine if they were home alone with her, she decides to do drugs (she does meth, coke, pot) and one of them falls, gets burned, wanders off.... disaster.

Just now, LIMOM said:

Also why have a second kid, so quickly?

The first one didn't get her a ring. She figured a son would. There are ways you can change your diet to have your body be more accepting of the male-heir-making sperm.

[AttackTurtle]

3 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Like the rest of them, her job is the show.

Did Thomas pay for the Malibu rehab?

Thomas's wealth and his ability to afford great child care is his saving grace, he is too self involved to be a Great father, imo.

Does he make money out of his POLO team?

 I have no idea who paid for Kathryn to go to rehab, but the fact that Kathryn needed rehab is kind of the underlying issue as to why she doesn't have her kids.

I can't fault the people on this show for being born into wealth.  They all seem to be fairly well educated & I believe would all be doing just fine financially w/o the show.  

Kathryn could get a job or go back to school.  This show films for 13 weeks.  That leaves 39 weeks for Miss Kathryn to do something to improve the outlook on her life without having to rely on Thomas.  

[LIMOM]

9 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

Here is the link from the media thread, and I had it confirmed from a friend that she did indeed fail the test. Which is why she's not bragging that she passed.

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2017/04/30/southerncharm-kathryn-dennis-fails-new-drug-test-and-loses-all-rights-to-her-kids/

They may have had a dinner together, but they NEVER slept together. Most of what was focused on was Kathryn's over-reaction and blowing it way out of proportion, so she'd get more screentime. And more money.

Personally, from all I have heard, Kathryn could be a danger to her children. Imagine if they were home alone with her, she decides to do drugs (she does meth, coke, pot) and one of them falls, gets burned, wanders off.... disaster.

The first one didn't get her a ring. She figured a son would. There are ways you can change your diet to have your body be more accepting of the male-heir-making sperm.

Were they a couple at that time?

Bridge boy could have wrapped it up if he was not ready to extend his family....

I firmly believed that they both did party together and that she was/is in love with him (and his bridge and money)