S05.E22: Reunion Part 1

[Mindthinkr]

55 minutes ago, Sai said:

I agree.  I've been saying this forever.  

I thought Lala's outfit looked the best.  I liked it a lot.

I totally agree. I thought LaLa was the winner in the best dressed category save those very long orange nails. She looked well put together and in control of herself. Poised under duress. 

[Adira]

Is it just me or did Kristen have fillers for her lips or something?  They didn't look normal...

[Dev]

I must be crazy because I understood what the coven was saying about Scheana.  Wasn't it Scheana who was giddy to show them text message proof about Lala's boyfriend's wife finding out that Lala and her husband were sleeping together?  She was just as guilty in the bashing.  Then, she does an about face because she doesn't like the idea of someone not liking her and tries to blame it all on the other 3 "bullying" her.  Now she's made them the villains and she's gotten off scot-free.  I get why the coven would be annoyed that she spent all this time telling them one thing and then once again, flipped the second that she realized she may not be liked because of it.  Then, blames them completely for bullying her into it.  She's just been completely phony this whole season.  Her marriage is in the best place ever!  Cue divorce.  She's devastated and never wanted to lose Shay!  Cue dating someone new 2 months later.  She loves Katie and would never want to hurt her!  Cue calling Katie an alcoholic on camera.  

Tom Sandoval is like Peter from RHOA.  He loves to get in that lady drama.  It's obnoxious.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Dev

[Duke2801]

9 hours ago, Maharincess said:

I keep reading here that Brittany deserves so much better than Jax but I'm just not seeing why. She seems so empty headed and its not like she has a bright, shiny future ahead of her that Jax is ruining or something.  I just don't see how she's so great she deserves better. She's also the least attractive of all the girls.  The stupidity is very unattractive as well. 

Dim or not, I think people (on the show) seem to generally agree that Brittany is a very nice girl. Although with people like Stassi and Katie around, I guess the bar isn't very high. On the contrary, Jax has a reputation as an ass, a skeeze, a womanizer, etc.  I tend to think that is what people mean when they say that she is "too good" for him.  Not that she is smarter or better looking. 

That said, I do believe there was something going on between B and Kristen that night that Jax found them.  Maybe she wasn't actively going down on her, but I'll get it went further than an innocent, stupid kiss (or whatever they claimed it was).

8 hours ago, MsDiva2007 said:

The three witches of Sur Stassi, Katie and Kristen really need to be taken down a peg or two. 

Yes, agreed.  It warmed my cold heart a bit last night when it seemed that Katie actually was starting to feel some heat for her culpability in the Katie vs. Lala debate.  Otherwise, I really do not think she would have come forth with that apology.   

Lala did look good last night.  Was really digging her outfit.  Best dressed of the woman on the panel by a longshot.  Scheanna was probably next best (and her hair looked really good). 

Edited April 4, 2017 by Duke2801

[ghoulina]

14 minutes ago, Dev said:

I must be crazy because I understood what the coven was saying about Scheana.  Wasn't it Scheana who was giddy to show them text message proof about Lala's boyfriend's wife finding out that Lala and her husband were sleeping together?  She was just as guilty in the bashing.  Then, she does an about face because she doesn't like the idea of someone not liking her and tries to blame it all on the other 3 "bullying" her.

I didn't really see it that way. I thought Scheana was just trying to smooth things over for work. I didn't see her going out of her way to be nice to Lala, trying to hang out outside of work, etc. As I said previously, she didn't even give a real apology. She just said, "I'm sorry IF.....". I thought she was trying to take the high road because of Sur and the other girls just couldn't wrap their heads around that. 

Scheana IS often a flip-flopper, but I didn't really see it here. 

[LucyHoneychrrch]

22 minutes ago, Dev said:

I must be crazy because I understood what the coven was saying about Scheana.  Wasn't it Scheana who was giddy to show them text message proof about Lala's boyfriend's wife finding out that Lala and her husband were sleeping together?  She was just as guilty in the bashing.  Then, she does an about face because she doesn't like the idea of someone not liking her and tries to blame it all on the other 3 "bullying" her.  Now she's made them the villains and she's gotten off scot-free.  I get why the coven would be annoyed that she spent all this time telling them one thing and then once again, flipped the second that she realized she may not be liked because of it.  Then, blames them completely for bullying her into it.  She's just been completely phony this whole season.  Her marriage is in the best place ever!  Cue divorce.  She's devastated and never wanted to lose Shay!  Cue dating someone new 2 months later.  She loves Katie and would never want to hurt her!  Cue calling Katie an alcoholic on camera.  

Tom Sandoval is like Peter from RHOA.  He loves to get in that lady drama.  It's obnoxious.

Don't get me wrong; I absolutely see this about Scheana.  She has a very convenient habit of changing her spots based on to whom she's speaking, and it's irritating.  I get their frustration with her.  But -- they also KNEW this.  Scheana is so painfully insecure and vulnerable that it's impossible not to know she's a people-pleaser.  And she's notorious for avoiding conflict whenever possible.  I think Scheana and Katie would have been able to discuss this rationally had Stassi not thrown herself down on a bathroom floor sobbing for all of humanity.

[Jextella]

Well, we have two more episodes to go.  I'm curious what happens to this bunch.  Kristen seems to be getting iced out.  I wonder if she'll be back.  

Plus, Jax said on WWHL that he didn't see Tom Scwartz working with Tom S on the bar which would be a very unfortunate decision. 

Tom and Arianna have stolen the show and they have a new pack - Lala, James, and Scheanna.  Jax is floating somewhere in the middle.

I don't think things look too good for Kristen and Katie and Tom.

[HunterHunted]

Jax admitting that he went ballistic and stayed with Schwartz and Katie when he walked in Brittany and Kristen sounds really believable to me. Throughout the season, I've thought that he was exaggerating and that it was making out with some light puss patting. Now, I actually believe him.

Despite Whitless Stupid-Smith's assertion about TRav, James was the one who was actually en feugo last night. The Muppet was hilarious and seeing him joking with Jax just killed me.

Stassi has no real awareness of how intrusive and disruptive she is. I still can't believe she crashed their honeymoon even with photographic evidence. Despite her claims to the contrary, a person who does that really doesn't want her friends' marriage to survive.

Edited April 5, 2017 by HunterHunted

[Ubiquitous]

For the most part I agree. But I do think Lala was intentionally doing things in the beginning to invite speculation and get people talking. She'd drop hints about men, trips, private jets, etc. I'm not saying it's okay to call her a "slut", but it almost seemed to me like she was trying to say stuff without really saying it. I felt she was almost TRYING to project an image of being an escort or something.

That's what I remember as well, but I also remember LaLa simultaneously acting like Arianna, an uppity snobby bitch. As millionaire mother Lisa Vanderbucks told her, "we're tired of you doing this fan dance on this show". Well, I'm paraphrasing there...

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

The SURvers Come Together For Part One Of The Vanderpump Rules Reunion

Yes, even James and Lala.

[ghoulina]

55 minutes ago, Jextella said:

Tom and Arianna have stolen the show and they have a new pack - Lala, James, and Scheanna.  Jax is floating somewhere in the middle.

I don't think things look too good for Kristen and Katie and Tom.

I don't see this at all. The two toms are good friends, as well as Jax. They'll always be on the show. The way the boys are loyal to each other, despite dust ups, makes them more secure in their standing on the show, IMO. Lala is a non-issue. She doesn't work at Sur any more and isn't friends with anyone. Tom and Ari may be defending her against the Coven, but Ariana is still upset about her birthday. Lala wasn't a good friend to her either. James has also been let go and doesn't really hang out with anyone. 

I still think the core of this show is Tom, Tom, Katie, and Jax at this point. Second tier is Ariana (works at Sur, dating Tom), Scheana, Stassi, Kristen, and Britt. Third tier is James and I would say Lala,  but I thought she was done with this show. 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Jextella said:

Well, we have two more episodes to go.  I'm curious what happens to this bunch.  Kristen seems to be getting iced out.  I wonder if she'll be back.  

Plus, Jax said on WWHL that he didn't see Tom Scwartz working with Tom S on the bar which would be a very unfortunate decision. 

Tom and Arianna have stolen the show and they have a new pack - Lala, James, and Scheanna.  Jax is floating somewhere in the middle.

I don't think things look too good for Kristen and Katie and Tom.

There doesn't seem to be much interest in Kristen.  What did she give us this year-stalking James Kennedy at an outside gig?  Her boyfriend Carter is a snore and there is no upside to Sandoval and Ariana wanting to be around Kristen.  If Britney had a brain she would see hanging out with Jax's ex, who has no compulsion for asking for an apology from Jax, while Britney is sitting with him, might see hanging with the Toms, Ariana and Katie is a wiser course. 

Stassi seems to be lobbying for Ariana's friendship because she sees the writing on the wall that Sandoval and Ariana will be the leads next season.  I don't see Schwartz ever making a significant commitment to the bar. 

[Jextella]

I feel bad for Kristen.  I have a soft spot for her.  She really has worked at turning things around. Not all the way there, but on track.  

Unfortunately, the thing about Kristen, Katie, and Stassi is that none are as smart as Arianna, Lala, and Scheana. I honestly believe there is both an intellectual and social gap between the two camps.   This may sound horrible and I don't mean it to be, but without the show, I don't know that the former have what it takes to do much beyond the show.  The other 3 are smarter and better fighters.  They know how to stay in the game and move forward.  

:(

I feel sad for the original tribe and hope that I'm wrong.   They aren't bad people.  Just young people making poor decisions.  I hope they have successful lives beyond the show.  

Schwartz is caught in the middle.   I hope he keeps an objective eye and doesn't get sucked in because of his marriage to Katie.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Jextella

[yourmomiseasy]

12 hours ago, ninjago said:

Sandoval and Ariana are know-it-alls....but they are right!  The fact that Kristin thinks she can open her mouth and condemn anyone for anything is absolutely mind-blowing.  And Katie did talk shit about LaLa before she ever knew her and she provokes shit all the time.  And Stassi does want to play the victim while simultaneously being a manipulative shit-talker.

Is it shit talking if it's true though?  Katie was 100% right about Lala's "modeling" gig.  And let's be real, Lala came in wanting to be talked about, it just ended up that she didn't like what they were saying.

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, Jextella said:

I feel bad for Kristen.  I have a soft spot for her.  She really has worked at turning things around. Not all the way there, but on track.  The think about Kristen, Katie, and Stassi is that none are as smart as Arianna, Lala, and Scheana. I honestly believe there is both an intellectual and social gap between the two camps.   This may sound horrible and I don't mean it to be, but without the show, I don't know that the former have what it takes to do much beyond the show.  The other 3 are smarter and better fighters.  They know how to stay in the game and move forward.

:(

I feel sad for the original tribe and hope that I'm wrong.   They aren't bad people.  Just young people making poor decisions.  I hope they have successful lives beyond the show.  

The story killer in the show is when the original tribe started making big money.  I agree with you Ariana and Scheana are smarter and more driven to take advantage of opportunities the show is presenting that will stand alone if the show closes or they are not renewed.  I keep hearing of appearance money and Podcasts and blogs but everything is tied to the show.  Kristen and Stassi need to get real jobs to stay interesting.  Spending the better part of a season planning parties for Katie, although noble, had a definitive expiration date.  I also think Kristen was way out of line in New Orleans bringing up the Vegas situation.

I feel bad when Andy keeps bringing up Krazy Kristen both in her presence and outside her presence.  Kristen may not be straightjacket ready (oh yeah Andy made a comment about her outfit in New Orleans looking like a straightjacket) but she still does way too much butting in.  Just being some good friend who arranges parties isn't enough.  For someone who wants a fresh start she needs to stop going after her exes.  Her going off on Katie about them be better off without Sandoval in their lives was just further proof she is a very vengeful woman.  Needless to say her continually going after James  and now his girlfriend is just tasteless and mean.  I am hoping Kristen doesn't decide a wedding storyline is what she needs to stay on the show because there isn't really any interest. 

All these people should be thinking of ways to add a steady income stream to their lives beyond the show. 

[Jextella]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

All these people should be thinking of ways to add a steady income stream to their lives beyond the show. 

Stated way better than what I attempted!  

As to Andy, I think he has a bit of a soft spot for Kristen.  He always tells her what a good sport she is with all the Krazy Kristen stufff, etc.  Not sure that's enough to keep her around, though. I root for her because I think she needs help in that department.  She's fired from SUR, her boyfriend is a dud, her t-shirt line never took off, etc. She needs some good life coaching - more than she needs a therapist, IMO.

[psychoticstate]

I fell asleep halfway through this shitshow so will have to post additional remarks after a rewatch. 

However . . . and God help me, I believe Jax regarding Brittany and Kristen.  I feel gross actually typing that I believe that chunky sweater wearing baboon. But he is so adamant and anyone with a brain would dump a boyfriend spreading unfounded rumors about you.  And while I don't think Brittany is totally stupid, it does make me think that there has to be truth to it.  Ick.

Speaking of Brittany, she needs a stylist stat.  We all know Jax funded her some new hooters so she doesn't need to show them off 24/7.  I also noticed, as did another poster upthread, that she was sitting completely inappropriately for a dress.  Much less a dress with a big slit up the leg.  I am stymied.  Like her, I am also from the south and every girl and young lady is taught how to sit properly, with your ankles crossed. Not only does this keep you from pulling an Erika Girardi, but it keeps your legs from falling asleep or getting too tired.  Of course most young ladies are also taught not to wear your nightie to a job interview so there's that.

Because I've already admitted that I believe Jax and there may be no redemption for me, I actually like sober James.  Jeebus.  He and Jax were funny.  And I liked Lala's outfit (although her nails were hideously scary.)  

I'm okay with the group ganging up on Katie throughout this THREE PART reunion because she was an asshole all season.  She's also dense if she cannot realize how hypocritical it is to be so offended and hurt that Lala's comment suggests that she's not fit but Katie's comment about Lala being a whore is a-okay.  Frankly both may be true but if you dish it out, you'd better be prepared to take it.

And FTR, all of us are thinking what Lala said - - that the Schwartz marriage is likely doomed.

Glad to see that Flat Iron cut that unattractive 'do.  

By the end of the season, The Nugget was starting to sway me by putting the kibosh on her smugness but I see the cork is out of that particular bottle now.  Smug away, Nugget. Now I can go back to wanting to punch you in your self-righteous face.

Scheana's hair looks great.  Guess the nose ring must be a thing in WeHo.  Did notice how she had to slide the "new year, new hair, new man" comment in.  Tacky, girl.  Put that in the closet with those gold shorts.  Saw Flat Iron's expression too.  Don't tell me this "new man" wasn't the equivalent of Apollo's Sherelle.  We all know he was probably in the picture before you sent Shay packing with his bright purple suitcase. 

Like I said, didn't see the whole thing but is Andy going to get the answer to that question we're all dying to know -  what happened to the giant wedding pics Scheana had on her walls????

[hecate2909]

1 hour ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Is it shit talking if it's true though?  Katie was 100% right about Lala's "modeling" gig.  And let's be real, Lala came in wanting to be talked about, it just ended up that she didn't like what they were saying.

Yes. 

It is still chit talking even if it's true, who are they to be judge jury and executioner of anybody never mind it seems everybody else's lives.

This is why I like Arianna, she doesn't go around telling Stassi what she thinks of her, Stassi just keeps on pushing for something from Arianna yet doesn't see that this is exactly what she accuses Sheanna of; being a people please-r and wanting everybody to like you to validate your own sense of self.

Arianna doesn't roll that way.

[Lily247]

14 hours ago, Maharincess said:

I keep reading here that Brittany deserves so much better than Jax but I'm just not seeing why. She seems so empty headed and its not like she has a bright, shiny future ahead of her that Jax is ruining or something.  I just don't see how she's so great she deserves better. She's also the least attractive of all the girls.  The stupidity is very unattractive as well. 

 

 

The thing about Brittany, is that as opposed to any of the other girls in the cast, she seems to be a very "real" girl (despite the fake boobs of course). She comes off as extremely sweet and never joins in the shit talking (from what I can see), which is impressive considering how much of that goes on around her. She claimed that back in Kentucky she never watched the show or had heard of Jax and with her in particular I would believe that, as I think she lived in some hole in the wall backwoods village in Kentucky. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by Matias130

[Ubiquitous]

Shit. Did I see Stassi's "cute" little brother at next week's reunion show dispensing "wise" advice to everyone?

[nexxie]

17 hours ago, Sai said:

I liked James and Jax getting along tonight.  I also liked the interview with the two guys in the kitchen, lol.

Me too, on both counts!

Funny that Lisa commented to Andy that he didn't ask the kitchen guys about her.

58 minutes ago, Matias130 said:

The thing about Brittany, is that as opposed to any of the other girls in the cast, she seems to be a very "real" girl (despite the fake boobs of course). She comes off as extremely sweet and never joins in the shit talking (from what I can see), which is impressive considering how much of that goes on around her. She claimed that back in Kentucky she never watched the show or had heard of Jax and with her in particular I would believe that, as I think she lived in some hole in the wall backwoods village in Kentucky. 

 She does seem very real, and nice - what was Jax doing in Kentucky anyway?

Edited April 4, 2017 by nexxie

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, Jextella said:

Unfortunately, the thing about Kristen, Katie, and Stassi is that none are as smart as Arianna, Lala, and Scheana. I honestly believe there is both an intellectual and social gap between the two camps.

I do not see this at all. Arianna may be fairly intelligent for THIS crew, but she's not the genius she wants to portray herself as. Lala and Scheana? I don't see anything about either of those two that strikes me as "smart". Stassi, I would say, is actually fairly intelligent. She's probably right on par with Ariana, but maybe not as educated. 

 

1 hour ago, psychoticstate said:

Speaking of Brittany, she needs a stylist stat.

From your fingers to God's ears. Even if she is a bit heavier than the other girls, there is no reason she has to look THAT bad. She needs to learn how to dress to flatter her body. What works for a Scheana or Ariana won't work for her. 

 

1 hour ago, psychoticstate said:

Did notice how she had to slide the "new year, new hair, new man" comment in.  Tacky, girl.  Put that in the closet with those gold shorts.  Saw Flat Iron's expression too.

Tom gave the best side eye through the entire show, but that one was especially good. Tacky is right. I know they've been split longer in real life, but for viewers the announcement was only LAST WEEK. Take it down a notch. 

4 minutes ago, nexxie said:

She does seem very real, and nice - what was Jax doing in Kentucky anyway?

I think they met on Instagram. 

[CaliforniaLove]

Quote

Shit. Did I see Stassi's "cute" little brother at next week's reunion show dispensing "wise" advice to everyone?

Yes. I cannot believed they're still trying to make that "happen". I personally can't stand the showboating little shi.....errr, I mean "cute kid". 

[hecate2909]

15 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I do not see this at all. Arianna may be fairly intelligent for THIS crew, but she's not the genius she wants to portray herself as. Lala and Scheana? I don't see anything about either of those two that strikes me as "smart". Stassi, I would say, is actually fairly intelligent. She's probably right on par with Ariana, but maybe not as educated. 

 

From your fingers to God's ears. Even if she is a bit heavier than the other girls, there is no reason she has to look THAT bad. She needs to learn how to dress to flatter her body. What works for a Scheana or Ariana won't work for her. 

 

Tom gave the best side eye through the entire show, but that one was especially good. Tacky is right. I know they've been split longer in real life, but for viewers the announcement was only LAST WEEK. Take it down a notch. 

I think they met on Instagram. 

If met a guy on Instagram I would defo google his arse!

I think Brittany seems nice in comparison and that's not really a good indicator of good character,

Maybe she is a good girl, yet to be with Jax with no excuse of ignorance now says she either loves his neanderthal arse or she is a  budding opportunist.

Not sure which one and TBH IDC much either way.

To be fair to Brittany and Jax she does seem to be his Jiminy Cricket!

 

Edited April 4, 2017 by hecate2909

[yourmomiseasy]

I think Jax and Britany met in Vegas

[hecate2909]

I love Lisa but she can be quite full of herself.

Having the chefs on camera saying that she was Hot and they wanted to marry her, she was unpleasantly surprised Andy didn't use those TV Edit Gems.

I do think though that those chefs were pretty correct in their opinions about some of their now I guess cast mates.

Edited April 4, 2017 by hecate2909

[teapot]

25 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I do not see this at all. Arianna may be fairly intelligent for THIS crew, but she's not the genius she wants to portray herself as. Lala and Scheana? I don't see anything about either of those two that strikes me as "smart". Stassi, I would say, is actually fairly intelligent. She's probably right on par with Ariana, but maybe not as educated. 

 

 

according to Stassi's podcast (on which I love her to death & haven't missed an episode; on the show I go up and down on her...) she graduated from Loyola Marymount w/a BA in, I wanna say English.  I feel like you have to be intelligent to be witty.

[hecate2909]

14 minutes ago, CaliforniaLove said:

Yes. I cannot believed they're still trying to make that "happen". I personally can't stand the showboating little shi.....errr, I mean "cute kid". 

I don't H8 the "Cute kid" but do love your SOH!

2 minutes ago, teapot said:

according to Stassi's podcast (on which I love her to death & haven't missed an episode; on the show I go up and down on her...) she graduated from Loyola Marymount w/a BA in, I wanna say English.  I feel like you have to be intelligent to be witty.

Yet I have met plenty of uneducated witty people and educated bores!

Stassi has something and if she would work on herself and let others manage their own lives she would be much happier and likeable.

[yourmomiseasy]

1 hour ago, hecate2909 said:

Yes. 

It is still chit talking even if it's true, who are they to be judge jury and executioner of anybody never mind it seems everybody else's lives.

This is why I like Arianna, she doesn't go around telling Stassi what she thinks of her, Stassi just keeps on pushing for something from Arianna yet doesn't see that this is exactly what she accuses Sheanna of; being a people please-r and wanting everybody to like you to validate your own sense of self.

Arianna doesn't roll that way.

I didn't realize there was an execution.  It's human to judge and if the new girl at work was lying about why she had to miss one of her first shifts I'd be talking about it too.  I think most people would.  Especially if the new girl was so extra like Lala was.

[Maharincess]

34 minutes ago, CaliforniaLove said:

Yes. I cannot believed they're still trying to make that "happen". I personally can't stand the showboating little shi.....errr, I mean "cute kid". 

I'm so happy to read this!  I can't stand that obnoxious brat but I kept reading here about how great and awesome he is and I wondered what I was missing.  

Stassi went on Tom and Katie's honeymoon?!

Edited April 4, 2017 by Maharincess

[teapot]

40 minutes ago, hecate2909 said:

 

Yet I have met plenty of uneducated witty people and educated bores!

 

my segue was weird...I agree about the educated part.  I just (unless I encountered one Mr Jax Taylor) didn't think a dim-witted person could be funny, but there are clearly exceptions to every rule!!!

[racked]

32 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I didn't realize there was an execution.  It's human to judge and if the new girl at work was lying about why she had to miss one of her first shifts I'd be talking about it too.  I think most people would.  Especially if the new girl was so extra like Lala was.

It's hard for me to fully defend Katie, even though I feel like she should be the obvious victim here, because she really is kind of an awful person. But I don't fault her for gossiping about what Lala was desperately trying to get people to gossip about.  I think Lala has been making suggestive comments about Schwartz from the start, so Katie calling her on her Ho Tactics probably had more to do with Lala taking her top off around Schwartz and talking about how she wants to sleep with him than truly caring if Lala is an immoral sugar baby. Maybe none of these people deserve sympathy. 

Still, people who are your established friends should give a shit when someone calls you fat, especially when you're in that vulnerable time of wanting to look good for your wedding. FI can miss me with his bullshit that it was okay for him to trash Lala when he wanted to, and it was different when he did it. 

[WhosThatGirl]

Stassi went on Tom and Katie's honeymoon because they asked her to. They had been there for a week already and said while it was nice, they wanted another person. They asked, she didn't. It was kind of funny they made a whole video about her "crashing". 

FI and Aririna are just as terrible as anyone else on this show, so I get infuriated when they try to act like they know anything about anything. Katie didn't do anything when James walked up and insinuate she was pregnant because of her weight, and then when this story was told to FI, he actually seemed to refuse to believe it and then at the reunion put it all on Katie. He's an ass. And Ariana is actually not right all the time and a very fair weather friend. She's worse than Schena to me. 

I cant watch a show of FI, Schena. Ariana and Lala and James are the stars. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by WhosThatGirl

[yourmomiseasy]

I think Lisa said it best: "I have a certain amount of sympathy for Lala, but she's definitely provocative.  She likes to create a situation and then she likes to be the baby girl.  Life doesn't work like that."  (from the god awful extra long double birthday/summer house intro episode)

I agree that Lala clearly wants to be provocative.  I'm not going to feel sorry for her when she gets upset because the response she provokes isn't the one she was hoping for.

[ghoulina]

7 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

FI and Aririna are just as terrible as anyone else on this show, so I get infuriated when they try to act like they know anything about anything. Katie didn't do anything when James walked up and insinuate she was pregnant because of her weight, and then when this story was told to FI, he actually seemed to refuse to believe it and then at the reunion put it all on Katie.

He was definitely wrong in that situation. James's behavior was vile and unwarranted. 

I'm not trying to excuse FI, but I think this is where he's coming from - he's sick of the Coven's behavior. I don't know that he's ever liked Stassi and he's witnessed how they all behave for years. When he was dating Kristen, I think he was stuck in that awkward middle position that Schwartz is now in. It wasn't long after he and Ari got together that Katie had her falling outs with Stassi and Kristen, but now that they're all back together and back to being mean girls, it seems like he's just exploding with all the shit he'd been wanting to say for years. FI Tom does strike me as someone who roots for the underdog and doesn't like bullying. So I think he's looking for any chance to call these girls out for their nasty behavior. 

[Jamie Satyr]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

He was definitely wrong in that situation. James's behavior was vile and unwarranted. 

I'm not trying to excuse FI, but I think this is where he's coming from - he's sick of the Coven's behavior. I don't know that he's ever liked Stassi and he's witnessed how they all behave for years. When he was dating Kristen, I think he was stuck in that awkward middle position that Schwartz is now in. It wasn't long after he and Ari got together that Katie had her falling outs with Stassi and Kristen, but now that they're all back together and back to being mean girls, it seems like he's just exploding with all the shit he'd been wanting to say for years. FI Tom does strike me as someone who roots for the underdog and doesn't like bullying. So I think he's looking for any chance to call these girls out for their nasty behavior. 

So many of these b!tches are "mean girls" & BULLIES, but when you call them out they're in complete denial and begin to cry; esp. the head bully Stassi! Some really sick, disturbed broads they got on this show! ;-)

[politichick]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

From your fingers to God's ears. Even if she is a bit heavier than the other girls, there is no reason she has to look THAT bad. She needs to learn how to dress to flatter her body. What works for a Scheana or Ariana won't work for her. 

What Brittany really needs is a boob reduction. She went way too big and it looks fucking ridiculous. And she has no idea how to contain them.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

He was definitely wrong in that situation. James's behavior was vile and unwarranted. 

I'm not trying to excuse FI, but I think this is where he's coming from - he's sick of the Coven's behavior. I don't know that he's ever liked Stassi and he's witnessed how they all behave for years. When he was dating Kristen, I think he was stuck in that awkward middle position that Schwartz is now in. It wasn't long after he and Ari got together that Katie had her falling outs with Stassi and Kristen, but now that they're all back together and back to being mean girls, it seems like he's just exploding with all the shit he'd been wanting to say for years. FI Tom does strike me as someone who roots for the underdog and doesn't like bullying. So I think he's looking for any chance to call these girls out for their nasty behavior. 

Tom Sandoval said on WWHL last year's Reunion was pretty restrained and nobody voiced their opinions they all just decided to buddy up.  I look at it this way Tom is pretty much the master of the obvious.  For adults in their late twenties and mid to late thirties some of them, mainly the coven, are not firing on all cylinders.  Sandoval, out of all them sees the bigger picture and what it takes for the show to survive.  If all the assholes were allowed to continue and ice people out they had issues with it would be the Stassi, Kristen, Katie, and Schwartz show and no one will pay money to watch those morally bankrupt dullards.  The show would no longer revolve around the commonality of SUR.  I guess it would be about a bunch of reality stars gaining weight and investigating forever young cures and smoking cigarettes outside of clubs,  stalking some old flame-in the case of Kristen.

[WhosThatGirl]

39 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Tom Sandoval said on WWHL last year's Reunion was pretty restrained and nobody voiced their opinions they all just decided to buddy up.  I look at it this way Tom is pretty much the master of the obvious.  For adults in their late twenties and mid to late thirties some of them, mainly the coven, are not firing on all cylinders.  Sandoval, out of all them sees the bigger picture and what it takes for the show to survive.  If all the assholes were allowed to continue and ice people out they had issues with it would be the Stassi, Kristen, Katie, and Schwartz show and no one will pay money to watch those morally bankrupt dullards.  The show would no longer revolve around the commonality of SUR.  I guess it would be about a bunch of reality stars gaining weight and investigating forever young cures and smoking cigarettes outside of clubs,  stalking some old flame-in the case of Kristen.

This is why I take a lot of what happens on the show as a grain of salt. I think originally the tight night group Jax, Stassi, Kristen, FI Tom, Katie (and by extension Schwartz even though he wasn't a legit cast member at the time) were all actual friends or people who hung out together. Schena was the drama because she was brought over to SUR as the new girl and an adversary to the girls. Also the drama of Stassi and Jax was the main focus of season one.

I think however real life did get in the way. Stassi and Jax did for real break up as did the friendships. That's why I think season 2 was probably the best season and the most real of this show. I think people behind the scenes went into season 2 thinking the drama would be Kristen and Toms relantionship and it was but not for the reveal that Jax and Kristen had hooked up. I think they thought the drama would come from the Ariana of it all and adding her into the mix. I think they got really lucky with that reveal, you would almost think they planned it but I think they did get lucky.

 

I think season 3 is when things get murky with the group. I don't know the details of them actually working at sur are ag this point but they probably barley do now and only do for filming. I think James did weasel a way to get on the show, first with Tom and then out of spite Kristen hooked up with him. 

I do think Stassi pretty much left everyone in the dust when she went to New York initially. I often wonder if she left things bad with Katie for a little and then tried to half ass an apology, since when she first came back to LA in season 3 she had to stay at Katie and Toms. 

My point is I think that really only a few of them actually hang out when they are not filming. A part of me wishes this show was not just shot over the summer, I would like to seen them during the other time frames.

And don't judge me but a couple months ago I was ridiculously sick and with nothing to do or think about it, I went years deep into some Instagram stalking of Stassis, all the way to when season 2 was airing just to see when she stopped posting pictures with Kristen, Katie etc, and she did for a long time. She posted a ton of pictures with that other waitress Kristina Kelly during that time period but she has no pictures with Katie and Kristen for about a year and a half. So yes real life did/does affect the show vht I take some stuff with a grain of a salt when it comes to this show. Especially the Schena and the Coven dynamics. mostly because social media tells me otherwise.

There are a few of them that I believe are actual friends but James I honestly don't think hangs out with them really. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by WhosThatGirl

[RHJunkie]

12 hours ago, Dev said:

I must be crazy because I understood what the coven was saying about Scheana.  Wasn't it Scheana who was giddy to show them text message proof about Lala's boyfriend's wife finding out that Lala and her husband were sleeping together?  She was just as guilty in the bashing.  Then, she does an about face because she doesn't like the idea of someone not liking her and tries to blame it all on the other 3 "bullying" her.  Now she's made them the villains and she's gotten off scot-free.  I get why the coven would be annoyed that she spent all this time telling them one thing and then once again, flipped the second that she realized she may not be liked because of it.  Then, blames them completely for bullying her into it.  She's just been completely phony this whole season.  Her marriage is in the best place ever!  Cue divorce.  She's devastated and never wanted to lose Shay!  Cue dating someone new 2 months later.  She loves Katie and would never want to hurt her!  Cue calling Katie an alcoholic on camera.  

Tom Sandoval is like Peter from RHOA.  He loves to get in that lady drama.  It's obnoxious.

Not sure if Scheana has yet realized that the only time she's on good terms with the coven is when it's at someone else's expense. They only seem to like her when she's willing to be bitchy and catty to the people they don't like. I don't see it the way you or the coven see it because their argument is based on the premise that Scheana isn't allowed to change her mind or apologize for doing something wrong toward someone else. Scheana does like to be liked and she doesn't like confrontation but it's not a bad character trait to apologize for engaging in behaviour that is hurtful toward someone. You can not like someone and not be friends with someone without having to be bitchy, catty or rude toward them. Scheana never blamed the group for gossip she was sharing. Scheana partook in the pettiness and when she apologized, she spoke only for herself (and that wasn't even a real apology offered). I can't remember if it was after a conversation with LVP or Ariana or maybe it was just one of those come to Jesus moments for Scheana but she basically said that she wouldn't let her opinions of Lala interfere with their interactions at work and she could be cordial with Lala. Her 'friends' got mad at her for answering Lala's question and asking Lala a question about her weekend or something impersonal like that. How does this make her a flip flopper that she chose to be professional at her place of work and not engage in conversation or behaviour that would cause tension at work? They flipped out on her for that and she caved and apologized to them for it. Again, she had done nothing wrong. When she apologized to Lala at the outdoor meeting, she gave a conditional apology - not for gossiping about Lala or hurting her feelings, she apologized only on the condition of anything that she may have said that may have been untrue. Katie said that she was mad because she didn't have any idea or time to process the apology...why does Scheana need to run it by her if she wants to apologize to someone for a WRONG thing that she may have done? When did we start labelling people flip floppers because they don't continue to shamelessly stick to their bad behaviour even when confronted with said behaviour? Again, you can not like someone without engaging in that kind of nasty behaviour. All three were cornering her, yelling at her, shaming her as a friend for doing something that a decent human being would have done...how is not bullying? And how it is not understandable that someone would feel pressure and feel victimized by people that are supposed to be her friends?

She never put the blame on them for what was being said about Lala. She never claimed that she only talked shit about Lala because the girls were doing it or because they made her. Scheana never defended Lala, she never shamed the girls for their behaviour, she simply said that she no longer wanted to expend any more energy in talking about someone who she didn't like or have any relationship with. How is that being a flip flopper in this case? 

The only kind of pressure that Scheana did admit to is that she felt pressure to apologize to the girls after they got so upset with her deciding to be cordial with Lala. 

Scheana is a non-confrontational people pleaser. But Scheana's track record suggests that when she tries to make peace with people, she means it and avoid engaging in drama or confrontation that would nullify any kind of apology or truce that was made between herself and the other person. Many people are guilty of gossiping but it doesn't automatically mean malicious intent. It's easy to get caught up in discussing the drama that's going on, is it really that unbelievable that someone who gossips doesn't necessarily consider the ramifications of their behaviour until confronted with it? And it is really unbelievable that someone who isn't trying to be vengeful or malicious would apologize for gossiping? 

As for Tom - I think he would be less involved if the others were able to talk the same shit to each other's face as they do behind each other's back. It seems like a calculated attempt by Tom to generate more conversation that leads to drama and I say this because Tom wasn't always the outspoken one and despite talking a lot, he doesn't bother to insert himself into the drama by his actions or gossip, he has taken on the role of 'calling people out' and forcing them to air out their grievances in front of the cameras.  For as much bullshit that Stassi, Katie and Kristen talk when they're together, if the show relied on them, it would just involve alcohol and bitch sessions and when they're forced to go to group events, they would be in the corner icing out the people they think aren't morally sound enough to hang with them. 

Edited April 5, 2017 by RHJunkie

[Adultosaurus]

4 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Not sure if Scheana has yet realized that the only time she's on good terms with the coven is when it's at someone else's expense. They only seem to like her when she's willing to be bitchy and catty to the people they don't like. I don't see it the way you or the coven see it because their argument is based on the premise that Scheana isn't allowed to change her mind or apologize for doing something wrong toward someone else. Scheana does like to be liked and she doesn't like confrontation but it's not a bad character trait to apologize for engaging in behaviour that is hurtful toward someone. You can not like someone and not be friends with someone without having to be bitchy, catty or rude toward them. Scheana never blamed the group for gossip she was sharing. Scheana partook in the pettiness and when she apologized, she spoke only for herself (and that wasn't even a real apology offered). I can't remember if it was after a conversation with LVP or Ariana or maybe it was just one of those come to Jesus moments for Scheana but she basically said that she wouldn't let her opinions of Lala interfere with their interactions at work and she could be cordial with Lala. Her 'friends' got mad at her for answering Lala's question and asking Lala a question about her weekend or something impersonal like that. How does this make her a flip flopper that she chose to be professional at her place of work and not engage in conversation or behaviour that would cause tension at work? They flipped out on her for that and she caved and apologized to them for it. Again, she had done nothing wrong. When she apologized to Lala at the outdoor meeting, she gave a conditional apology - not for gossiping about Lala or hurting her feelings, she apologized only on the condition of anything that she may have said that may have been untrue. Katie said that she was mad because she didn't have any idea or time to process the apology...why does Scheana need to run it by her if she wants to apologize to someone for a WRONG thing that she may have done? When did we start labelling people flip floppers because they don't continue to shamelessly stick to their bad behaviour even when confronted with said behaviour? Again, you can not like someone without engaging in that kind of nasty behaviour. All three were cornering her, yelling at her, shaming her as a friend for doing something that a decent human being would have done...how is not bullying? And how it is not understandable that someone would feel pressure and feel victimized by people that are supposed to be her friends?

She never put the blame on them for what was being said about Lala. She never claimed that she only talked shit about Lala because the girls were doing it or because they made her. Scheana never defended Lala, she never shamed the girls for their behaviour, she simply said that she no longer wanted to expend any more energy in talking about someone who she didn't like or have any relationship with. How is that being a flip flopper in this case? 

The only kind of pressure that Scheana did admit to is that she felt pressure to apologize to the girls after they got so upset with her deciding to be cordial with Lala. 

Scheana is a non-confrontational people pleaser. But Scheana's track record suggests that when she tries to make peace with people, she means it and avoid engaging in drama or confrontation that would nullify any kind of apology or truce that was made between herself and the other person. Many people are guilty of gossiping but it doesn't automatically mean malicious intent. It's easy to get caught up in discussing the drama that's going on, is it really that unbelievable that someone who gossips doesn't necessarily consider the ramifications of their behaviour until confronted with it? And it is really unbelievable that someone who isn't trying to be vengeful or malicious would apologize for gossiping? 

As for Tom - I think he would be less involved if the others were able to talk the same shit to each other's face as they do behind each other's back. It seems like a calculated attempt by Tom to generate more conversation that leads to drama and I say this because Tom wasn't always the outspoken one and despite talking a lot, he doesn't bother to insert himself into the drama by his actions or gossip, he has taken on the role of 'calling people out' and forcing them to air out their grievances in front of the cameras.  For as much bullshit that Stassi, Katie and Kristen talk when they're together, if the show relied on them, it would just involve alcohol and bitch sessions and when they're forced to go to group events, they would be in the corner icing out the people they think aren't morally sound enough to hang with them. 

This entire post - you know these people are ACTING, yes?

[Jamie Satyr]

2 minutes ago, Adultosaurus said:

This entire post - you know these people are ACTING, yes?

They still look like demented jackals; esp. "double chin" Stassi! She's so jealous of Lala deep down; it has to be the case! There's no denying it! ;-)

[Adultosaurus]

1 minute ago, Jamie Satyr said:

"double chin" Stassi!

Ironic, considering her chin implant!

[Jamie Satyr]

13 minutes ago, Adultosaurus said:

Ironic, considering her chin implant!

I don't go that far back; just remember seeing old footage, Jax has packed on the pounds! That allure has to be fading; esp. since he's such a lush! Those empty calories can't be taken care of by just having a conversation at the gym; real work has to be done! lol! ;-)

[hecate2909]

13 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I didn't realize there was an execution.  It's human to judge and if the new girl at work was lying about why she had to miss one of her first shifts I'd be talking about it too.  I think most people would.  Especially if the new girl was so extra like Lala was.

Metaphorical of course,they assassinated her character and then got pissed when she retaliated.

Is it human to judge or just deflection and nosey?

I'm human and some of my best friends have some not very flattering qualities but I don't judge them just like they don't judge me.

We are just different people who make different choices, but why do Lala's choices impact their lives and affront their sensibilities so much....

Especially when absolutely none of them are above reproach.

Stassi with her bitchy brand of elitism is the first to judge EVERYONE but herself of course because she's perfect in her own mind.

Sheanna did exactly what Lala supposedly has been doing and was given hell for it by the 3 headed female dog squad yet she was also one of the first to condemn.

Kristen is a serial cheater and man beater, which she was applauded for; if a man did what she did to James to his GF he'd be locked up, worse she cheated with her BFF's man yet she was also so offended by Lala yet she has done much worse than calling out Katie and Stassi for being a tad chubby.

Jax and Brittany well, he hit on Lala very enthusiastically then lied to his dim GF and she CHOSE to believe him and blame Lala.

Katie wanted to be HBIC so much that she morphed into a Stassi clone and now has no mind/life of her own not even a 'Married life', seriously who takes their BFF on honeymoon when your husband is supposed to be your best friend forever, he surely should not have to compete for your attention on his bloody honeymoon.

Arianna I really like but will also say she can be dismissive and doesn't seem to gel well with female friends, but then her best friend Scheana did abandon her for the mean girls last year so maybe she thinks guys are easier to roll with, even Tom Schwartz didn't cut her out of his wedding despite the bitch he married making a big deal about it just before she tried to verbally decimate his ego once again.

Sandoval seems to really love Arianna, so why can't love be enough, have you seen the Divorce rate Tom?! Leave it be what you have is good, she's marriage shy so pressure will make her bolt. (JMHO)

Edited April 5, 2017 by hecate2909

[hecate2909]

4 hours ago, Adultosaurus said:

This entire post - you know these people are ACTING, yes?

It's almost parody and definitely somewhat scripted but the tension and feelings are real so....

Edited April 5, 2017 by hecate2909

[Jamie Satyr]

11 minutes ago, hecate2909 said:

Metaphorical of course,they assassinated her character and then got pissed when she retaliated.

Is it human to judge or just deflection and nosey?

I'm human and some of my best friends have some not very flattering qualities but I don't judge them just like they don't judge me.

We are just different people who make different choices, but why do Lala's choices impact their lives and affront their sensibilities so much....

Especially when absolutely none of them are above reproach.

Stassi with her bitchy brand of elitism is the first to judge EVERYONE but herself of course because she's perfect in her own mind.

Sheanna did exactly what Lala supposedly has been doing and was given hell for it by the 3 headed female dog squad yet she was also one of the first to condemn.

Kristen is a serial cheater and man beater, which she was applauded for; if a man did what she did to James to his GF he'd be locked up, worse she cheated with her BFF's man yet she was also so offended by Lala yet she has done much worse than calling out Katie and Stassi for being a tad chubby.

Jax and Brittany well, he hit on Lala very enthusiastically then lied to his dim GF and she CHOSE to believe him and blame Lala.

Katie wanted to be HBIC so much that she morphed into a Stassi clone and now has no mind/life of her own not even a 'Married life', seriously who takes their BFF on honeymoon when your husband is supposed to be your best friend forever, he surely should not have to compete for your attention on his bloody honeymoon.

Arianna I really like but will also say she can be dismissive and doesn't seem to gel well with female friends, but then her best friend Scheana did abandon her for the mean girls last year so maybe she thinks guys are easier to roll with, even Tom Schwartz didn't cut her out of his wedding despite the bitch he married making a big deal about it just before she tried to verbally decimate his ego once again.

Sandoval seems to really love Arianna, so why can't love be enough, have you seen the Divorce rate Tom?! Leave it be what you have is good, she's marriage shy so pressure will make her bolt. (JMHO)

If they're all just play-acting, most if not all need to be beat for different reasons! Kristen's the worst with all those clips of violence! Someone needs to knock that b!tch out sometime; don't even care if it's a guy! She likes punching so much; give her a smack "somebody!" Stassi frustrates me the most with her "overacting" and emotional breakdowns! "Go back to New Orleans b!tch and don't come back!" You're right about Katie wanting to be HBIC, but since she's an alchy, she can only rule for so long before passing out! Tom Sando is playing his role perfectly; exposes the $#!t and keeps out of the line of fire! I could go on, but don't care about any of these losers! They are all so bad for different reasons! These people seem to lead such wasted lives and have gotten too old to act like "frat" & "sorority" sleaze characters! ;-(

Edited April 5, 2017 by Jamie Satyr
Corrected spelling

[hecate2909]

13 hours ago, teapot said:

my segue was weird...I agree about the educated part.  I just (unless I encountered one Mr Jax Taylor) didn't think a dim-witted person could be funny, but there are clearly exceptions to every rule!!!

Indeed.

I personally do not find any of the guys on this show attractive yet keep reading how Schwartz is hot and he is evidently a sometime model so who am I to judge. (lol)

4 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

If they're all just play-acting, most if not all need to be beat for different reasons! Kristen's the worst with all those clips of violence! Someone needs to knock that b!tch out sometime; don't even care if it's a guy! She like punching so much; give her a smack "somebody!" Stassi frustrates me the most with her "overacting" and emotional breakdowns! "Go back to New Orleans b!tch and don't come back!" You're right about Katie wanting to be HBIC, but since she's an alchy, she can only rule for so long before passing out! Tom Sando is playing his role perfectly; exposes the $#!t and keeps out of the line of fire! I could go on, but don't care about any of these losers! They are all so bad for different reasons! These people seem to lead such wasted lives and have gotten to old to act like "frat" & "sorority" sleaze characters! ;-(

Ding Ding Ding!!!

(tips my hat)

[kitten59]

15 hours ago, Maharincess said:

I'm so happy to read this!  I can't stand that obnoxious brat but I kept reading here about how great and awesome he is and I wondered what I was missing.  

Stassi went on Tom and Katie's honeymoon?!

Me too! It might have been sweet and a bit humorous when he first spouted off, but ugh- he is all too aware of the cameras now and playing up the so-called precocious little brother. I have no doubt that the little twerp goes on auditions.

[b2H]

17 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I do not see this at all. Arianna may be fairly intelligent for THIS crew, but she's not the genius she wants to portray herself as. Lala and Scheana? I don't see anything about either of those two that strikes me as "smart". Stassi, I would say, is actually fairly intelligent. She's probably right on par with Ariana, but maybe not as educated. 

 

As the expression goes:

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Ariana may not be the brightest, but frankly among this crew, she is at the top.