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S07.E16: Big Buddha Brawl


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21 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I seem to remember that last season, there was a dinner or drinks or something with Yolanda and David and Erika and Tom, and I seem to remember something with David saying he wanted to work with Erika (or something like that)...am I mis-remembering or did I imagine all of that?  

I agree with you that both Dorit and Erika are both phony (well, I think that most of the housewives of all cities are phonies) but I think that Dorit is a little more genuine than Erika, or at least that's the impression I get, because I do think that Erika has a wall up, or comes across as cold, so we haven't really seen much of a real person beneath that polished, glam-squadded up exterior.  And, the reason I think that Erika puts up a wall is because she is very insecure.  She is of the school of "I'm going to turn you away before you get the opportunity to do that to me".

It was Yolanda that suggested Erika sing with AB when he sang for/to the Pope. David laughed her, Yolanda, off (as did Erika) and he said that he "doesn't do dance music". So........DF wanted no parts of Erika Jayne!

12 minutes ago, QuiteContraryMoni said:

Sooo...did Tom actually know about pantygate during filming? Last night, didn't she sound like he knew and was upset? Or no? And then on WWHL she acted like he just found out recently? I don't understand her timeline for when Gollum found out?

No! Erika was so adamant that he would be upset/insulted with pantygate that he was owed apologies by both Dorit and PK but then she never told him about it and he never realized that anything was amiss between Erika and Dorit. LOL Oh, and by last night (WWHL show), Tom would have know all about pantygate, not just "learning about it now". Erika is a liar! LOL 

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21 hours ago, KenyaJ said:

My god! Climb down from that cross, Erika. Jesus is gonna need it in a few weeks.

I have never seen someone take such an innocent comment and twist it into something so terrible to turn herself into a victim. That was disgusting. She sucks.

And I'm all out of words for Rinna. Bitch has to insert herself into every conversation. There's not enough water in Hong Kong Harbour to quench her thirst.

Kyle and Lisa resting their heads against each other's at the dinner was adorable. 

LVP asked Eileen “so when did the affair begin?” Poor choice of words which Eileen then asked for an apology and brought it back up ad nauseam up until this season episode 8.

Scenario 1: LVP chose that word carefully to get a rise out of Eileen. Scenario 2: It’s a lost in translation thing and LVP had no idea it would be taken that way

Fast forward to Hong Kong:

Eileen: It not like she killed your kid.

Scenario 1: Eileen had no idea this would set Erika off.

This I would have believed at first. She already was told by Erika to stop 2 times. When LVP then asked Erika what was wrong about that comment and her kid – it was EILEEN who chose to answer a question directed towards Erika by saying Erika’s son is a cop. Maybe Ms Erika Jayne wanted to give her own emotional soliloquy. Eileen done stole the fart out of Erika’s ass.

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8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika's act doesn't make money.  You can't have 15 people flying to Greece for a set and spend $150,000.oo for the event to take home maybe at best a $10,000.00 paycheck.  Then add on her day to day expenses.  SHe is a huge loss leader with no upside.

Exactly my point. David Foster is in the exploitation business. He wrings the most out of the lemon that he can and then he tosses them.

If you don't believe me ask Yolanda.

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Dorit should have been pissed at PK he was,almost falling out of his chair blatantly .Staring up Erikas dress he didnt even have, sense enough to pretend or any thing dumb ass.Dorit talk shit about Lisa R. not remembering,but Dorit is a habitual cant remember.Dorit and PK are jokes when she called him ,to tell him they where mean to her.She forgets her part in all the crap she,is a shit starter and back stabber .I think she got what she derserved on that boat,she earned that big time.And iam sick of hearing about Kim Richards and Kyle,running to her aid Kim started up with.Lisa R. at game night as a nurse ect i know drinking or not,a alcoholic is always one and acts like one.And Al-Anon for familys of alcoholics will tell you,Kyle is an enabler by not stopping Kim.Stopping her from starting up old crap aka fight at her home,Kyle just goes under the table hides.I think some of those women need schooled on alcoholism,and Eden she said she is a sober woman .But she said she takes pills she is bat shit crazy really,she said alot of crap to the others.And made what Lisa R. said much bigger much worse,hell if the women on here watch the show.Lisa R.repeated what Kyle said a few times iam afraid the call ,will come your dead (Kim) Lisa R never has a prob .Telling it like it is and i think if you back me in a corner,and treated me like such shit in Mexico.I might draw a blank of something i said two months ago,come on Lisa forgets one time i lost count on Dorit.Dorits forgets are well over a dozen lol

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Just now, Trooper York said:

Exactly my point. David Foster is in the exploitation business. He wrings the most out of the lemon that he can and then he tosses them.

If you don't believe me ask Yolanda.

I was under the impression you thought Erika a financial success.

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9 minutes ago, Giselle said:

 

Why shouldn't he make money off of her. If he is writing music for her, helping her that has value. What, he should do it for free? You think Tom hasn't been taking a cut off of the many lawyers under his wing?

Exactly. Foster didn't think he could make money off of her. I mean he makes money off a lot of crap. But he wouldn't be able to do the standard show biz hosing if Tom is looking at the contract.

Tom is a scary guy. Not someone to be trifled with. Erika can have her fun and do her crazy stuff. Tom must revel in the fact that he has a hot sexy wife. But he is not one to take any ridicule. Not one little bit. 

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3 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

People have to distinguish the difference between "singer" & "entertainer!" She can't really sing so she puts on a show with hot guys, flashing lights, and bundles of sexuality! You aren't going to get that with a Foster friend and client like Andre Bocelli! ;-)

Very true, DF only deals with talent, real singing talent and that is not who/what Erika is but I question calling her an "entertainer" as well. IMO, she isn't the draw for her fans, it is the gyrating male dancers, not Erika's songs/dancing/patting a puss they have no interest in. For all intent and purpose, they could play any recording with live male dancers and get the same result/number of fans. LOL

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17 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

I don't think that is quite right. He didn't think he could make any money off of her. Not if Tom was her lawyer and reading the contracts. So he didn't want to offend him because he would squash him like a bug.

Piano douche has a bunch of talentless minions that he can exploit because they were American Idol rejects with even less Realty Show cache than Erika. 

Follow the money.

The entire Erika Jayne music career is a vanity production. It's hugely unprofitable, and a rich old man pays for it all. David works for royalties from album and singles sales. 

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2 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

I mean he makes money off a lot of crap. But he wouldn't be able to do the standard show biz hosing if Tom is looking at the contract.

David is a writer/producer most of the acts come to him for his services he isn't a manager.

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4 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

The entire Erika Jayne music career is a vanity production. It's hugely unprofitable, and a rich old man pays for it all. David works for royalties from album and singles sales.

There is no doubt that Erika is a vanity production and Tom must pay for a good part of it. Not all of it but he must spend lavishly on her.

I just think you give David Foster too much credit. He is a typical music industry rip off artist. He promotes what sells. If Lisa Rinna's dogs ass could sing he would write some songs and have him sing a Christmas album out of his doggy ass at his house. 

Sorry for talking so much about Foster. This belongs in Erika's thread. 

Now back to our regularly schedule shit storm. Rinna just accused every one of leaving the table to eat dumplings. 

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39 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

You mis-remembered -Foster begged off even listening to Erika's tape.

ETA:  Yolanda said something about Erika performing for the Pope.  Obviously a joke but wow what a stretch.

Thank you...chalk that up to another boring moment with Yolanda that I probably only half paid attention to!  LOL

Or, can I blame it on a severe case of "Idon'tremember-itis" that seems to plague these women?   ;-)

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5 minutes ago, Chicklet said:

I think Scary Restaurant was just one more audition for a soap for the Erikas.

And Lisa Rinna's "I don't remember" is so much more egregious than anything Dorito has said.

Yes!

Rinna flat out lied to Kyle in Mexico and knew it and couldn't wiggle out of it so she said" Don't remember!" She also lied also to Eden and Kim after being told to keep her damn nose out of it. She lied.

Dorit kept relating an event of Rinna's own making. She never used the word addict, she always said that the pill bag evening was done in a fun way. After Rinna's repeated outbursts and Mexico Dorit asked Eden only if she thought Rinna's behavior was induced.  When she has used it she has been careful to say in what context she is using I don't remember. "It was a short conversation, one of many in a long night." or "I don't remember saying it like that or inferring that"

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3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Hell that night she mocked Dorit to her face about her accent, which I mean it's ridiculous, but she then said Lisa V and PK should stop being rude to each other when they were having the back and forth about how old Lisa was which they were enjoying their convo and it was good natured in a way that her dig at Dorit wasn't.

3 hours ago, Giselle said:

Exactly.Not only did she go after Dorit she mocked half the group, Ken, LVP and PK for their shared sense of British humor. Out of the group of six the only one that escaped Erica's tongue was Kyle.  

 

Ohhhhhhhh, I wish y'all hadn't brought up Erika chastising PK, Ken, and LVP. That nonsense made me so angry. None of participants in the joking were offended by the jokes. None of them was secretly cowering hoping that Erika would save them from cutting British humor. The only person who really had an issue with it was Erika. And none of them were joking with or about her. The entire time that she complaining, I kept thinking "Heffa, this does not concern you." I feel like Erika decided to go in on them because she was afraid that they'd start joking with her and she's neither fast nor witty enough to keep up. For someone who almost exclusively hangs out with gay men and at gay clubs and looks like a drag queen, you would think she would have learned how to take a joke, crack a joke, and read. Erika likes to think that she's a transgressive badass, but she'd be on the floor sobbing if she had to hang the queens from Drag Race.

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4 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Thank you...chalk that up to another boring moment with Yolanda that I probably only half paid attention to!  LOL

Or, can I blame it on a severe case of "Idon'tremember-itis" that seems to plague these women?   ;-)

It is the curse of video and the ultimate accounting at the Reunion.  What I see as the difference is Dorit is "not remembering" things she didn't say, whereas Rinna is not remembering things she did say.  I mean we they can't all be Kyle and say, "you're a fucking liar Camille." 

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No, there have been examples of Crazy Eyes conveniently "forgetting" things she herself has said. Hell Crazy Eyes was also on occasion wrongly remembering what other people, like Kyle were saying, like at Kyle's game night party. Of course, they flashed back to the conversation between Crazy Eyes and Kyle, and guess whose memory was "wrong"? Hint, it wasn't Kyle.

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14 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

There is no doubt that Erika is a vanity production and Tom must pay for a good part of it. Not all of it but he must spend lavishly on her.

I just think you give David Foster too much credit. He is a typical music industry rip off artist. He promotes what sells. If Lisa Rinna's dogs ass could sing he would write some songs and have him sing a Christmas album out of his doggy ass at his house. 

Sorry for talking so much about Foster. This belongs in Erika's thread. 

Now back to our regularly schedule shit storm. Rinna just accused every one of leaving the table to eat dumplings. 

Don't we all? Isn't that what's called success?

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58 minutes ago, QuiteContraryMoni said:

OMG wait...that was actually on the table?! I have so many wildly un-PC things to say.

It was Yo's suggestion - Oh, and it was Andre Boccelli was performing for the Pope!  Yep YO thought that would be a good idea.  

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3 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

No, there have been examples of Crazy Eyes conveniently "forgetting" things she said.. Hell Crazy Eyes was also on occasion wrongly remembering what other people, like Kyle were saying, like at Kyle's game night party. Of course, they flashed back to the conversation between Crazy Eyes and Kyle, and guess whose memory was wrong? Hint, it wasn't Kyle.

That is an interesting example.  What Dorit said (claiming Kyle said it) was Erika still had issues.  Guess what she did.  So Dorit gets a hand slap for blaming Kyle when in fact she said it.  Bottom  line it was true.

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It doesn't matter if it was true of not. That doesn't excuse the act itself. The fact is, she claimed Kyle said something Kyle did not. And Kyle was right. Bottom line is that Crazy Eyes has as faulty a memory as Rinna does, or she likes to stir the shit as well, or both.

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Just now, AndySmith said:

It doesn't matter if it was true of not. The fact is, she claimed Kyle said something Kyle did not. And Kyle was right. Bottom line is that Crazy Eyes has as faulty a memory as Rinna does.

Not really-Rinna out and out denied making inflammatory statements and then threatened to kick Eden's ass for making such accusations.  Dorit was incorrect as to who said what but didn't threaten anyone.  Dorit's misinformation wasn't a game changer.

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I think Erika's issue with Dorit, pre-dating pantygate, is that she's younger/prettier/skinnier.  

That said, I was Ok with her treatment of Dorit up until the junk boat.  She didn't like her, Dorit was trying a bit too hard, etc.  But she lost it when she brought up pantygate.  You can't say you're over something and then dredge it up again months later.  From there, it was all downhill for Erika, and her explosion at Eileen was so over the top.

No words for Rinna.  Everything she says is fucking bullshit and she's way too proud of herself.  I almost wish BH was like ATL and someone would deck the bitch.

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Younger, sure. But prettier and more thin? Not sure about that. They are both atttactive and good looking women, and Ericka has always seemed to be confident about her curves (her too much make up is a differnent issue). 

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7 minutes ago, QuiteContraryMoni said:

DYING! Were they going to write a musical arrangement for Boccelli to croon about how many fucks EJ gives while EJ writhed around on the pope's lap in pink latex and rocked an angry camel toe?? I don't even get how that'd work!

The church would have preferred Anwar writhe. 

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1 minute ago, AndySmith said:

It doesn't matter if it was a game changer or not. Or if someone promised violence or not. Using "I don't remember saying that" is something both women should be held accountable for.

There is a big difference between "I don't remember saying that" (Dorit) and "I never said that" Rinna. The first one leaves open the possibility that they did say it or that they said something close to it, the second one means they never, ever, said it or anything like that. Dorit was accused of saying things last night that she never said and Erika had to admit that No, Dorit never said them even though she tried and tried to convince everyone that she did. Erika lost, Dorit won. And Rinna is always a loser.

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There was plenty of ambiguity in Dorit's dialogue with Kyle. Dorit says, "you think she still has issues?" Kyle replies, " she couuuld," drawing out the second word as one does in possible concession before seguing directly into her next statement. 

Dorit's "I don't remember"s on the point were, as she said, "I don't remember it happening like that," which is a diplomatic statement of disagreement.

If we're keeping track of faulty memories, Erika apparently forgot for an entire season that she still had a problem with Dorit, insisting even in the throes of her salvo, "I don't have a problem with you, I swear."

Then there was her entire fan fiction bit about what Dorit supposedly said in Mexico before she had to amend her account to what Dorit "could" have said. 

"I don't remember saying that" in terms of Dorit is factually true as far as XanaxGate goes. She never said Rinna was an addict. Imagine one of these women being precise with language!

"It's Eden! She's the one who's" responsible "for this whole thing" is what Rinna said after her "I don't remember saying that."

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20 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

On a bit of a humorous note, did anyone else expect LVP and Kyle to pull out popcorn at some point either on the Junk or at dinner? Just me?

I kept seeing that in my head.

And yes, I LOVED it when Kyle whipped her head around and blasted that Limbo Pole ("how LOW can you GO??") for her comments about Dorit's husband.  

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There is a big difference between "I don't remember saying that" (Dorit) and "I never said that" Rinna. The first one leaves open the possibility that they did say it or that they said something close to it, the second one means they never, ever, said it or anything like that

It's the same thing, trying to deny saying something that was said. And Lisa used both phrases herself as well.

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Erika lost, Dorit won.

Mileage varies on that.

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And Rinna is always a loser.

On that, I will agree with you.

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1 hour ago, notnowimbusy said:

Tom sure is a complicated man.  He loves that his wife strips down to revealing outfits to strut her stuff and pat her puss, but he would be horrified at the idea of somebody catching a glimpse at a non-stage event.  

Hmm maybe that's the point, it being non-staged--she didn't make money off it! ?

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

All except maybe Erica. After pointing out that Kyle was in the biz she latched on to her real quick and also Eileen.

I wonder if Erica feels a tiny bit one upped by Dorit. Last year Erica was on a show where she was "The Performer"  an out there alter ego with pussy power. This year in comes Dorit who's husband was/is in the music business and who is also very close and tight with Boy George, a bonafide "era iconic" singer who had/has what Erica really desires. Dorit is not impressed by Ericas wealth nor her self ascribed fabulousness. Dorit , by being close to people in the business, may know what is and isn't bullshit and smacks of wanna be. "Sold out bar" versus sold out stadiums. Acting like Lady Gaga when she is really Lady Na-uh. Though she has never said one thing bad about Erica's career, Erica may feel threatened by Dorit and has chosen to lash out by being cutting.

Erica came out swinging criticizing  Dorit's accent and her support of British humor. "You're from Connecticut". Dorit starts to make a general observation about people in their 40's and was quickly and rudely cut off as Erica dismisses her by saying "You just turned 40 last week." I think had Erica taken a different approach with her Dorit would have put Erica together with Boy George to offer help, tips and connections. She sure as shit ain't going to do it now.

For all her married wealth Erica wants in to the celebrity club so bad people see her desperation.

These are all great points! Add in that Dorit actually has a real marriage where neither one "runs" the other.

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Dorit may be younger but there is no way that she is prettier than Erika. Erika is a substantial sexy woman. Many of us prefer a woman with meat on her bones so we have some cushion for the pushin! 

Erika is way more sexy than Dorit. By a mile.

Of course your mileage may vary.

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Ericka did the absolute most last night and it was extremely unbecoming.  She is unhinged.  Tom needed an apology too?  "Girl, fuck you" is what I would have said.  Doris is silly as hell but she apologized at least twice last night very sincerely but Erica wanted to feel her righteous rage.  

Eileen didn't deserve all of that rage but then again I liked seeing her getting some sort of cosmic heat in a sense as she annoys me for not ever shutting the fuck up in her caping for people when they're dead ass wrong.  This time, she actually did pull away from her friendship role to tell Ericka that she was doing too much and Erica bit her got damn head off.

Lisa Rinna is a total piece of shit and if Dorit had decked her last night and snatched that wig, I wouldn't have been mad.  That bitch better not ever bring up Kim/Amsterdam/Harry ever again because she did that times 10.

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36 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

It doesn't matter if it was a game changer or not. Or if someone promised violence or not. Using "I don't remember saying that" is something both women should be held accountable for.

They never let Dorit repeat what she said...and it was NOT what those idiots were claiming.

49 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

No, there have been examples of Crazy Eyes conveniently "forgetting" things she herself has said. Hell Crazy Eyes was also on occasion wrongly remembering what other people, like Kyle were saying, like at Kyle's game night party. Of course, they flashed back to the conversation between Crazy Eyes and Kyle, and guess whose memory was "wrong"? Hint, it wasn't Kyle.

is Dorit Crazy Eyes?  I think her eyes are pretty.

13 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Dorit may be younger but there is no way that she is prettier than Erika. Erika is a substantial sexy woman. Many of us prefer a woman with meat on her bones so we have some cushion for the pushin! 

Erika is way more sexy than Dorit. By a mile.

Of course your mileage may vary.

I think Dorit is prettier.  Both are great looking but Erika has always had slight frog eyes to me.

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38 minutes ago, noveltylibrary65 said:

I actually do pronounce Diluted like Deluded.  Too bad Dorit doesn't;)

A lot of Americans drop t's to sound like d's. I know I do it (I was busted about two years ago). The Irish, whose t's are impeccably pronounced, just laugh at our lazy English. 

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2 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I think a lot of the time Dorit is actually trying to say that she doesn't remember it happening as described by the other party, but they all start talking over each other so it gets drowned out.

When she was one-on-one with Eileen she claimed she didn't remember an entire conversation that happened between several people, at Dorit's house, just a couple of days before.  Not just that she didn't remember what was said, exactly -- she claimed she had no recollection of the entire conversation even taking place.  I'm no doctor, but even I can diagnose early onset bullshit.

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1 minute ago, ryebread said:

Thank you for explaining who Crazy Eyes is.  I've missed this whole season.  Can anyone tell me if Erica had her, "you don't know what I go through at night" moment yet?

She did, ryebread, last night. It was a must-see episode!

Also, hi ryebread! nice to see you again posting in these parts :) 

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1 minute ago, pbutler111 said:

When she was one-on-one with Eileen she claimed she didn't remember an entire conversation that happened between several people, at Dorit's house, just a couple of days before.  Not just that she didn't remember what was said, exactly -- she claimed she had no recollection of the entire conversation even taking place.  I'm no doctor, but even I can diagnose early onset bullshit.

In all fairness to both parties Eileen was talking about a gathering that happened a couple of days before her mother died.  Rinna threw Eileen's circumstances put there as an addendum to why they had moved on and her mother had died two days after the meeting.  At best it was a couple of disjointed conversations.  I never understood why it was so important to Eileen.  At best PK was trying to be polite in the Rinna/Eileen dispute with LVP.  I kind of blame Eileen and Rinna's adherence to not breaking the fourth wall.  Rinna was using the death of her father (which happened months before the Reunion -where the harshest words were said) as her epiphany.  So there was not a lot of cohesion in the conversation and much like me Dorit didn't give a damn about it.  There was so much double speak it was pretty indecipherable.  Just another bullshit moment for Rinna to fall on her sword claiming to have spoken out of school.  Deaths aren't really all that secret.

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15 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I forget what Kyle actually said other than she didn't say it was a bad idea but the soap twins definitely went on and on how they needed to be there.

I don't think they knew anything about the panties, because she hadn't decided to buy the thoughtful gift and give it at that time. They said they wanted to be there when she told Erika about believing that she would have had to realize she was flashing PK. Remember the look Eileen gave her when she was acting like the whole deal was on purpose? And Eileen's TH? I don't blame any of these drama queens for wanting to have a front row seat when Dorit confronted Erika with her allegations.

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15 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Reenactment of the junk boat scene

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Kyle and LVP….oh and look Eden on the side in a yoga pose being ignored

I can't breathe and I'm crying tears of laughter because it's purrfect !

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14 hours ago, swankie said:

It seems that Eileen can forgive anyone EXCEPT Lisa Vanderpump.  She was virtually groveling for Erika's forgiveness for her little choice of words blunder.  If Erika had said to Eileen "Hop on one leg, pat yourself on the head while repeating rubber baby buggy bumpers and I'll forgive you." she would have done it.  LOL!

But they are very different things, no? Eileen felt like LVP was trying to hurt her by her words. In this case, Eileen felt like she was the one to hurt Erika and felt badly about it. And Eileen was very sorry about it and immediatly apologized, even though she had actually said nothing wrong. That is how you do it. 

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