S05.E11: James K's Story

[bethster2000]

2 hours ago, Dashing Off said:

> The entirety of the Chinese food scene we were both in shock and utter horror. When he said and I quote; "I don't want any of that shit. Order me Chinese." Just his tone and diction caused us to come to the same conclusion that this was the real James that we were now seeing. Everything up until then to us, was just a complete act. A terribly preformed act, but still an act. 

I could not agree with you more.  And honestly?  If I took a tone like that with my husband and said, "Order me Cha-neeeeeze," he would tell me to get off my fat ass and order it myself!

2 hours ago, Dashing Off said:

Me: "I don't know. He probably ate her."

p.s. You're going to hell with the rest of us.  LOL.

[Miss Ruth]

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http://www.empireboobookitty.com/2017/03/what-happened-to-james-on-my-600-pound.html 

This article has so many inaccuracies in it, right down to the man in the picture at the top of the page. The man in the red shirt is James Jones, from season two.  The article says that James “ow, my lag” King started piling on the pounds after his mother died. According to the show, James weighed 250 when he started high school, and soon got up to 400. His mother died about that time, and he met Lisa when he was 20. The article says Lisa had two children but James said she already had four children, and had two more (by James??) while she was still living with her husband. Contrary to this article, James was already very heavy when he broke his ankle. Lisa told the doctor that James made her life a living hell if she didn't give him what he wanted to eat. He has a phone, and could order what he wants if she doesn't give it to him.

James blew his chance with Dr. Now. There are many people who would be grateful for a chance such as the one he had, but James threw it away because, like a baby, he has no self-control. I know it's hard to lose weight, but he didn't even try.

It’s sad that James' dad mortgaged the family home to get enough money to pay for the ambulance ride to Houston, yet James cried and moaned and refused to get with the program. The doctor sent him home to lose 85 pounds so he could qualify for the surgery, and he ended up gaining over 150, yet Lisa stood there in front of Dr. Now and lied through her teeth about what James was eating.

I don't feel sorry for him at all.

[Arynm]

Mu husband watched the supersized episode with me, after I had watched once before. He was mostly silent while I ranted a raved about the sheer selfishness and nearsightedness of James. We have taken to yelling Ow, mah legs! at any and all opportunity.

I know he has pain and it's hurts to move. I will save any and all empathy that I have for people that make an effort. ANY effort at all. James can't even do that. I am saving my left-over empathy for those that unwrap their own burgers.

[AZChristian]

We just finished watching the supersized edition.  My only additional comment is related to James' saying at the end that he kept quiet when Dr. Now was kicking him out of the program, because he didn't want to go off on him.

I'm sure Dr. Now was terrified that James was going to get up out of that bed and let him have it.  Or not.

I don't see a good ending for James.  

[Meowwww]

2 hours ago, Anchorabu said:

My hubby refuses to watch M600PL as well. He won't watch Hoarders either.  He has a hair trigger gag reflex :)

Same.  Hubby refuses to watch but he claims it is depressing.  I feel the opposite, it's a great heartwarming story. 

[Tabbygirl521]

14 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

We just finished watching the supersized edition.  My only additional comment is related to James' saying at the end that he kept quiet when Dr. Now was kicking him out of the program, because he didn't want to go off on him.

I'm sure Dr. Now was terrified that James was going to get up out of that bed and let him have it.  Or not.

I don't see a good ending for James.  

Oh geez. I had forgotten that. I would have liked to see Now flip him off and keep walking. 

[auntjess]

5 hours ago, AZChristian said:

My hypochondriac brother reports a pain level of 10 at all times - even when carrying out normal conversations, eating, getting up and down off the couch, etc.  He MIGHT be at a 2 on the official pain scale they show you at the hospital, but some people are just crybabies.  

I came across this article recently, that you might like.  I remember my aunt having to heat the nose drops for my uncle.
http://www.the-postillon.com/2016/12/world-first-specialist.html

[Christina]

I've watched almost every episode of My 600lb Life, Hoarders (both versions), Intervention, and Dr. Drew's Rehab shows, and in every single series there are some people who are just assholes. James is one of them. If he got down to 200 pounds, he would still be an abusive ass to everyone around him. I don't feel the slightest bit bad about not feeling sorry for him because assholes reap what they sow. Not all of his behaviors are a result of his addiction.

He claims he ate a lot as a child because he was afraid there wouldn't be enough for everyone (to hell with everyone else in the family), along with the plethora of abusive language and obvious lies he told throughout the episode. Sure, the addiction may have added to his excuse repertoire. i.e, he didn't gain weight the mattress just made him look like it, but he was perfectly happy to let another man claim his kids as that man's own when he says he was still mobile and working. He wanted to be a victim and have everyone else cater to him. He probably relished when he was first bed-ridden, because he was waited on hand-to-foot, literally, but as the weight started piling on and the skin conditions started happening, it probably did increase his depression which increased his enjoyment of food, since he had so little other enjoyment in life.

But he is still, at his core, an asshole.

[Dru Blood]

On 3/18/2017 at 8:27 PM, DC Gal in VA said:

Lisa and James ended up having two children together, though Lisa was married at the time so James wasn’t given the opportunity to raise his own kids. He points to the stress of not being fully in his kids lives as a source of steady weight gain."

I call bullshit on the part about not being given an opportunity to raise his kids.  In the SUPERSIZED episode it specifically stated that Lisa moved to Tennessee after she divorced her abusive husband.  I didn't see anywhere where HE moved with her.

On the topic of these people needing therapy, I agree, but I have known many people in my life who absolutely do not think they need any mental help whatsoever and the very mention of therapy actually angers them.  I suspect that was the case with Tanisha.  She even said in her narrative while going to the therapist's office that she didn't think it would work and didn't want to go.  I also suspect that when applying for help from Dr. Now, they are asked the question of whether or not they would be amenable to therapy.

There is every possibility that that might be the case with James and/or Lisa.  Also, the truth is that no matter how perfectly Lisa followed the guidelines in feeding James, at the end of the day, James is the one who will have to learn how to appropriately feed himself.  Let's just explore this for a moment.  Lisa feeds James the correct 800 calorie a day diet, no matter how much James whines.  James loses said weight (enough to qualify for surgery).  James eventually loses enough weight to actually walk and get his own food (without forcing her or calling for take-out himself).  If he hasn't gotten with the program on his own, he will just go back to getting the wrong foods for himself and end up back in bed.  Lisa is the enabler, but James' inability to control his own actions is the driving force in this little nightmare.

If we took Lisa out and substituted in another caregiver they would be limited legally in what they will be allowed to do.  He would mostly call APS if he feels that he is being abused (not bringing him enough food, as HE sees it or refusing to bring him what he wants).  Putting him in to inpatient care is not really a viable option, because even with drug/alcohol addicts, they only can be ordered to treatment by a Judge and only if they have broken some law and this is part of the punishment.  No Judge is going to say "You are too fat and I am sending you to weight loss jail."  He can go on his own and will be able to leave on his own if he doesn't want to participate or they might just throw him out if he refuses to participate.

[aliya]

8 hours ago, Meowwww said:

7 hours ago, auntjess said:

I came across this article recently, that you might like.  I remember my aunt having to heat the nose drops for my uncle.
http://www.the-postillon.com/2016/12/world-first-specialist.html

My DIL admitted to me that when she first went out with my son, she thought he was a little strange. He had a bag of 'meds' with him - Pepto, anti-diarrhea pills, aspirin, spare contacts, band-aids, sinus spray, eye drops, etc.  He says he like to be prepared. I've had to talk him down from a few episodes - and the new walk-in clinics don't help as he can go to one for a $5 co-pay.  The hypochondria is strong in this one. 

[themabeldifference]

13 hours ago, Dashing Off said:

Hey, everyone. I too have decided to create an account just because this thread.  This episode, oh my god this episode. I was blown away, but my boyfriend was even more so. He's German, and is fascinated by this show. We watched this together when it first aired, and we were both completely floored by it. Here's just some of our reactions.

>Much like everyone else here, we could not get over his legs. We just couldn't. Every time we saw them we freaked out and had to look away. They are horrific.

> My bf: "Oh my god, look at him."

   Me: "Oh my god, look at the fish tank."

 -both lines repeat three times-

>Me: "Taken out of school? How old is she?!"  Throughout the entire episode we felt so bad for Bayley. We just wanted to go and bust her out of there.

> The "ow mah layg!" thing both drove us nuts. That and to us, his voice in general was just really, really annoying. Those poor EMTs.

> "How y'all doing?" We both laughed. Dr. Now is just awesome. Not fazed by this guy's yelling at all.

> The entirety of the Chinese food scene we were both in shock and utter horror. When he said and I quote; "I don't want any of that shit. Order me Chinese." Just his tone and diction caused us to come to the same conclusion that this was the real James that we were now seeing. Everything up until then to us, was just a complete act. A terribly preformed act, but still an act. 

> "But it's frahed!" -facepalm by both of us- We couldn't even. 

> My bf: "Where's Bayley?"

    Me: "I don't know. He probably ate her."

> When he made Lisa sleep on the floor we were both yelling, but my bf actually stood up and yelled at the TV "No! No! Don't do it, Lisa! Don't do it! You are a strong, independent woman, (lol wut?) and OH MY GOD!" He stopped when she actually went on the floor, and had to leave the room for a moment.

> When we found out that he was now at 843 lbs we both lost it. We both got up from the couch and just stormed out of the room. We could not believe it.

>Needless to say, we cheered when Dr. Now tore him a new one.

> My bf "Oh, there she (Bayley) is."

    Me: "Aww, she's still there."

> "Do you wanna lift weights now?" "Nah, I don't feel like it." We both burst out laughing. We were just like "And there it is. The summary of the entire episode.".

 

By the end of the whole thing, we just exhausted. We just could not believe what we had just watched. No episode has made us this mad or has stayed in our thoughts for this long. We just can't get over it, and this thread is just cathartic. I'm gonna have to show him this.

Hi Dashing Off, nice to have you here. Funny that you said your bf is German. I am too and I am fascinated by this show. A lot of the episodes are like a car crash. Cant look away! Staring at utter disbelief and disgust! And James K. was like the crash of the Hindenburg Zeppelin! Liebe Grüße an deinen Freund!

Edited March 20, 2017 by themabeldifference

[Anchorabu]

10 hours ago, Meowwww said:

Same.  Hubby refuses to watch but he claims it is depressing.  I feel the opposite, it's a great heartwarming story. 

Agreed. I find these shows both depressing and rewarding, depending on the outcome, but I'm fascinated either way. Hoarders always encourages me to clean house, and M600PL has motivated me to lose 15 lbs so far!

[AZChristian]

And another thing I noticed while watching the supersized edition.  Bayley said "My mama pulled me out of school to help take care of my daddy."  That sure doesn't sound like Bayley was in college.  A college student would say, "I dropped out of school."  That kid was still in high school.  And probably under 18.  Pulled out of school to wipe her father's butt.  That's child abuse, pure and simple.

ETA:  Someone in that family or people with personal knowledge of this situation should call in authorities.  From my cursory reading, the statute of limitation on child abuse in Kentucky is that it has to be reported within 5 years of the victim turning 18.  Bayley is 19.  And any evidence needed can be garnered by watching this episode of M600#L.  I'm thinking some time in jail would get James below 600.  And Lisa might drop quite a bit of weight, too.

Edited March 20, 2017 by AZChristian

[Elizabeth9]

I don't doubt Bayley was in high school.  I don't think this is a family that attends college.  I think it is sick, personally, and hope that by "pulled out of school" the kid at least got a homeschool education.  That's why I have no sympathy for Lisa- she's totally using her daughter in all of this.  Lisa has a choice- Bayley doesn't.  Well- she's over 18, so she does now- although if she's a high school dropout, her options are severely limited.  Poor girl.

[Thriftykins]

People have spoken several times about the Chinese food scene.  James yells and complains when offered food he doesn't like.  He keeps crying until he gets his Chinese food.  Then when he does get it he's all giddy. 

 

Yesterday it occurred to me that this is a lot like the way my cat Naja behaves.  I give him half a can of Friskies canned food in the morning.  He loves this and gobbles it down.  I pour him about 1/2 cup of dry Meow Mix for the rest of the day.  Then I go to work.  When I get home, the dry food is usually untouched and he stares at me and meows over and over again until I give him the rest of the canned food.  If I give in and give it to him, he gleefully runs toward his food bowl like a puppy (I pour the cat food in the kitchen, then carry the bowl to his feeding area).

 

Naja isn't fat yet.  I don't think.  He's only about a year old so I can't tell what exactly is a healthy weight for him.  He doesn't look too chubby though and he's pretty spry when it's not part of the 17 hours a day cats sleep.  But he's so lovingly adorable that it's hard to say no to him.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

 I'm thinking some time in jail would get James below 600.

Great idea! But if this 600-lb guy was too large to be sent to jail, I don't think there's any jail in the country that could warehouse James.

Said the prosecutor in that guy's case: 

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"He's in his prison cell," said Assistant State Attorney Kyan Ware. "He's not getting out of that bed."

But in James' case, his bed is like his own fiefdom. 

[Dru Blood]

8 minutes ago, Michael Stabosz said:

But he's so lovingly adorable that it's hard to say no to him.

You know that this is exactly what Lisa is saying in her head EVERYTIME James says "Lisa, I need...!

[Thriftykins]

Just now, Dru Blood said:

You know that this is exactly what Lisa is saying in her head EVERYTIME James says "Lisa, I need...!

But when I overfeed Naja, he is grateful and crawls in my lap and starts purring while I stroke his soft orange fur.

 

lol jk.  After eating he's like "mofo I don't know you" and starts sleeping in one of his hidey-holes.  Unless I'm using the computer in which case he sleeps on the keyboard.

[Trees]

21 minutes ago, Elizabeth9 said:

I don't doubt Bayley was in high school.  I don't think this is a family that attends college.  I think it is sick, personally, and hope that by "pulled out of school" the kid at least got a homeschool education.  That's why I have no sympathy for Lisa- she's totally using her daughter in all of this.  Lisa has a choice- Bayley doesn't.  Well- she's over 18, so she does now- although if she's a high school dropout, her options are severely limited.  Poor girl.

Home-schooled?  By whom?  Put together all of the education that everyone in her life has and you wouldn't come up with the equivalent of a semester of Kindergarten.  I doubt very much that her mom has a high-school education.  It's just a shame.  That gal's very likely to start having some babies pretty soon and repeating her parents' lives. It's all she knows.

[Trees]

12 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:

Great idea! But if this 600-lb guy was too large to be sent to jail, I don't think there's any jail in the country that could warehouse James.

Said the prosecutor in that guy's case: 

But in James' case, his bed is like his own fiefdom. 

Oh that article!  He ran a scheme of stealing food!  Ate $50 worth of beef jerky then "found" mold in the last bite.  Gulped 5 milkshakes until he "found" a hair in one.  If James K ever reads the article, he'll slap his face and say, "Dayyyng Lisa, here's something we can do when I can walk again!"  Heck, it might even give him an incentive to diet so he can try it!

[kgg]

14 minutes ago, Trees said:

 That gal's very likely to start having some babies pretty soon and repeating her parents' lives. It's all she knows.

I hope not.  That poor kid.  Maybe she can live with her grandfather and finish high school.  She did seem less accepting of her living situation compared to most kids on this show.  

[Elizabeth9]

15 minutes ago, Trees said:

Home-schooled?  By whom?  Put together all of the education that everyone in her life has and you wouldn't come up with the equivalent of a semester of Kindergarten.  I doubt very much that her mom has a high-school education.  It's just a shame.  That gal's very likely to start having some babies pretty soon and repeating her parents' lives. It's all she knows.

Home schooling is a Big thing here.  You can be dumb as rocks and "home school" your kid.  Basically they sit on a computer and read along all day.  Not that all home schoolers are this way, but I know of plenty of people who "homeschool" that make me question the validity of some of the programs (including several well known abuse cases where children were removed from homes where they were "home schooled.")

[Trees]

5 minutes ago, Elizabeth9 said:

Home schooling is a Big thing here.  You can be dumb as rocks and "home school" your kid.  Basically they sit on a computer and read along all day.  Not that all home schoolers are this way, but I know of plenty of people who "homeschool" that make me question the validity of some of the programs (including several well known abuse cases where children were removed from homes where they were "home schooled.")

Yeah.  Here in metro Detroit, a woman was found with 2 of her home-schooled children dead in her freezer.  Nobody had seen them in years.  Bad, very bad idea.  For people in these horrible situations, like Bayley, getting out of the home and experiencing different lifestyles and having responsible adults in their lives can make all the difference. 

[Cherrio]

41 minutes ago, Michael Stabosz said:

I give him half a can of Friskies canned food in the morning.  He loves this and gobbles it down.  I pour him about 1/2 cup of dry Meow Mix for the rest of the day. 

Does he say Meow, mah leg?     :)

[Armchair Critic]

On ‎3‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 8:46 AM, swankie said:

Well James, if you could actually raise your head to see what's on the plate you would know that she gave you two eggrolls

He was too lazy and consumed with gluttony to be bothered to even lift his head up. It makes me laugh thinking about it because it's so ridiculous, but it really shows how sick he is and I hate to say it what a hopeless case he is.

[chuckity]

On 3/19/2017 at 7:00 AM, Runnergirl said:

James must have been banned from gofundme. I can't find anything on him anymore. I guess his delusions caught up with him. 

I have a feeling the next time we hear about him, It'll be because he has died. 

 

23 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I am contemplating the Stage 5 bitching and moaning that James must be doing RIGHT NOW due to being kicked off gofundme. 

Just popping in to say, this is still up:  https://www.gofundme.com/h974k26s

And James is still an asshole.  

[kgg]

13 minutes ago, Elizabeth9 said:

Home schooling is a Big thing here.  You can be dumb as rocks and "home school" your kid.  Basically they sit on a computer and read along all day.  Not that all home schoolers are this way, but I know of plenty of people who "homeschool" that make me question the validity of some of the programs (including several well known abuse cases where children were removed from homes where they were "home schooled.")

Home schooling and cyber school are two different things (I had to learn a lot of this for my old job).  Home schooling has been around forever.  Different states have different standards/regulations.  Some have almost none and others have quite a few.  If I remember correctly, Florida has almost none and Pennsylvania has quite a few.  In some states, you don't need a high school diploma to teach your kids at home.  There is a very powerful home schooling lobby (they are vicious).  The Duggars home school, for example, for religious reasons.

Cyber schools (aka online charter schools) are different.  There are different cyber school companies, and each has their own curriculum.  If a student cannot be in a "brick and mortar" school (for most kids I have encountered, it's more of a "does not want to" situation), then the school district will pay for them to be cyber schooled.  There are different methods of cyber schooling - some are virtual classrooms where kids have to be in front of the computer at a set time every day and there are others that are basically "do at your own pace," where they read on their own and complete assignments and pretty much have little or no interaction with any teacher.

There's no way to take a good inventory of home schooling because each household approaches it differently and there isn't much regulation.  Cyber schooling, however, is a different story.  Kids who are taken out of school and tasked to learn at home via cyber schooling are underperforming compared to their peers in actual schools (http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-cyber-charter-schools-study-20151027-story.html).  And these cyber schools are raking in TONS of money without being held accountable.  If a kid fails a grade in cyber school, the cyber school doesn't give back the money the school district has paid them.  Each district is different, but I've seen kids fail cyber school for two years running and then get put back in "brick and mortar" schools - so when they should be entering 9th grade, for example, they're repeating 7th grade for the third time.  School districts will fork over tax payer money to these private companies and then money that could have been allocated to actual school programs to benefit school programs is cut.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now.  If Bayley is doing anything, it's an online charter school.  I don't think Lisa is sitting down with her every day at the kitchen table and teaching her algebra.

[ThinkerBell]

16 hours ago, dahling said:

Really, guys, James was one of the worst, anywhere, ever. In every way.  That said:

- one can't compare the recovery of a broken foot/ankle bone between a <200 lb person and a >500 lb person.  Do you know what 300 extra pounds actually feels like to move around, in the best of circumstances?  No? Maybe give it a try. Then break your foot and try again. 

- one can't compare any kind of surgery to his pain. Pain from surgeries varies, depending on the body, the surgeon, the personality of the person being operated on. After my gall bladder was removed, I was up taking care of my toddler daughter the next day. My husband laid in bed for a month after his (not that I'm bitter). My FIL's hip surgery was a piece of cake, he was up and walking the same day. My mom had her knee replaced a month ago and is still on heavy duty pain killers and stuck in the house.  So what?  James's body is an oozing, festering mass of inflamed flesh. I see nothing but pain there - every moment of every day. I'd probably cry "mah legs" too. 

So much judging based on specious comparisons. And really, there's no comparing him to anyone, anywhere. He's a disgusting, pathetic man-baby but damn he's in a lot of pain. And yet food still has a strong enough hold to be more important. Damn.  That's really sobering. 

You have made a good point here. James' pain in his current state must be excruciating, and an injury to his ankle when he was more than 400 pounds was certainly more than an inconvenience. I understand the need for some bed rest under those circumstances, but not for years, and certainly not combined with a routine intake of over 12,000 calories a day.

 James made his original condition much worse by apparently offering no effort or inclination to at least try to get better, by developing a despicable sense of entitlement that turned his family into slaves, and ultimately by refusing to accept any responsibility for his own health. He needs to stop blaming his ankle, a broken bed, the rice he ate, his fiance, or even Dr. Now for the state he is in. James did this  to James, but he's too weak and immature to ever come to that obvious conclusion. 

[mamadrama]

I do know that Bailey was in college at some point before they left for Kentucky. Whether it was a community college or university, I don't know. So she either graduated from high school or got her GED. I don't know if she is with them in Texas or not. I do believe that, for a time, she was back in Kentucky. At any rate, she's out of high school and at least took a step in the right direction for higher education. 

If I were her, I'd stay away. Far away. Cut my losses. (Except for maybe her sisters and grandpa. They're probably okay.)

[xwordfanatik]

8 hours ago, Christina said:

I've watched almost every episode of My 600lb Life, Hoarders (both versions), Intervention, and Dr. Drew's Rehab shows, and in every single series there are some people who are just assholes. James is one of them. If he got down to 200 pounds, he would still be an abusive ass to everyone around him. I don't feel the slightest bit bad about not feeling sorry for him because assholes reap what they sow. Not all of his behaviors are a result of his addiction.

He claims he ate a lot as a child because he was afraid there wouldn't be enough for everyone (to hell with everyone else in the family), along with the plethora of abusive language and obvious lies he told throughout the episode. Sure, the addiction may have added to his excuse repertoire. i.e, he didn't gain weight the mattress just made him look like it, but he was perfectly happy to let another man claim his kids as that man's own when he says he was still mobile and working. He wanted to be a victim and have everyone else cater to him. He probably relished when he was first bed-ridden, because he was waited on hand-to-foot, literally, but as the weight started piling on and the skin conditions started happening, it probably did increase his depression which increased his enjoyment of food, since he had so little other enjoyment in life.

But he is still, at his core, an asshole.

I agree totally.  His pissy attitude and spoiled baby behavior made me ill.  Expecting a young daughter to wipe the ass he can't even reach is abusive to the max.  He's an asshole through and through, and weight loss, if it ever happens, will not change this.

[SuzieQ]

On 3/18/2017 at 10:27 PM, fountain said:

 

eta: if the enablers should be charged with attempted murder then James should now be charged with child abuse for having his daughter quit school and making her wipe his ass as a minor.

A teenager should not have to clean or even see Daddy's junk! I think that is child abuse.  He really is a horrible person.  This isn't his girlfriend or daughters fault.  He's a grown ass man acting like a whiny ass child. UGH!

[Anchorabu]

1 hour ago, Cherrio said:

Does he say Meow, mah leg?     :)

I can't stop laughing at this! :-)

[DC Gal in VA]

8 hours ago, AZChristian said:

And another thing I noticed while watching the supersized edition.  Bayley said "My mama pulled me out of school to help take care of my daddy."  That sure doesn't sound like Bayley was in college.  A college student would say, "I dropped out of school."  That kid was still in high school.  And probably under 18.  Pulled out of school to wipe her father's butt.  That's child abuse, pure and simple.

ETA:  Someone in that family or people with personal knowledge of this situation should call in authorities.  From my cursory reading, the statute of limitation on child abuse in Kentucky is that it has to be reported within 5 years of the victim turning 18.  Bayley is 19.  And any evidence needed can be garnered by watching this episode of M600#L.  I'm thinking some time in jail would get James below 600.  And Lisa might drop quite a bit of weight, too.

I tend to agree with you about Bayley being pulled out of high school AZChristian, especially because of how they said it.

Ahhh, but also because they--both Lisa and James--are exceptional lying liars who tell bucket loads of lies. Problem is that when you tell lots of lies, you have to keep them straight which, given that the two of them together may have no more than five brain cells between them, is a daunting task.

As evidence, I present Exhibit A. This quote is taken from the same In Touch Weekly online article I referred to upthread:

"Things got worse when I was 42 because I fell, and I was so big, the fire department had to come and get me up,” he said. "It was one of the lowest moments in my life. And I hurt my ankle really bad, and I had to stay in the bed and rest. But I'm not even sure if it ever healed because that's the last time I put weight on it."

James’ father revealed that, though James reached more than 500 pounds when he was in his 30s, his weight ballooned after the fall.

"I think James' weight [got out of control] five or six years ago,” he said. “And I tried to mention it to James a few times about his weight. But I don't know, it seemed to do no good. It got out of hand."

Hmmmmm. Which leads me to Exhibit B. If James is 46 now AND hasn't walked since he injured his ankle, he's actually been bedridden for FOUR years, not the TWO years they stated-- perhaps lied about--on the show. That statement then leads to Exhibit C:

When they say they pulled Bayley out of school to help Lisa bathe and otherwise care for this ungrateful lump of a human being who was at least 500 pounds by then according to the article and Bayley is 19 years old now, that would make her 15 when she stopped going to school. No way could Lisa have managed to take care of him by herself for three years only to pull Bayley out of "college" at say age 18.

I stayed at a rehab for awhile after having hip replacement surgery--had several complications post-surgery and couldn't take care of myself at home. When it came time to bathe my roommate who weighed about 180 pounds, there were always two CNAs who rolled her over. They would often say how heavy she was to manuever because she was paralyzed from the chest down with the use of only one arm, and thus dead weight. Again, no way could Lisa possibly attend to 500 pounds of dead weight by herself.

Which leads me lastly to Exhibit D. Although neither of them are too bright, they are smart enough to be vague about exactly when Bayley was pulled out of school to possibly avoid any legal consequences of doing so.

Please, please somebody, anybody free Bayley.

Edited March 20, 2017 by DC Gal in VA
To correct typos, clarification, and kept saying Lisa when I meant to say Bayley!

[Miss Ruth]

2 hours ago, Trees said:

Home-schooled?  By whom?  Put together all of the education that everyone in her life has and you wouldn't come up with the equivalent of a semester of Kindergarten.  I doubt very much that her mom has a high-school education.  It's just a shame.  That gal's very likely to start having some babies pretty soon and repeating her parents' lives. It's all she knows.

 

[MillieSparklepants]

2 hours ago, Elizabeth9 said:

I don't doubt Bayley was in high school.  I don't think this is a family that attends college.  I think it is sick, personally, and hope that by "pulled out of school" the kid at least got a homeschool education.  That's why I have no sympathy for Lisa- she's totally using her daughter in all of this.  Lisa has a choice- Bayley doesn't.  Well- she's over 18, so she does now- although if she's a high school dropout, her options are severely limited.  Poor girl.

I agree. If this show were to go on, in another 10 years we might see a 600+ lb Bayley talking about how she's overweight because she never got to finish school and wasted her best years taking care of her disgusting father, who didn't even claim her until she was a teenager and he needed someone to wipe his butt. (I know, he claimed her a few years before that, but still ...)

[Hockeymom]

Do you realize we've invested over 1200 comments, and countless hours, in a man who won't even wipe his own ass? James' only accomplishment is that he trained his women in the proper way to crumble and serve a biscuit.

[AZChristian]

17 minutes ago, MillieSparklepants said:

her disgusting father, who didn't even claim her until she was a teenager and he needed someone to wipe his butt. (I know, he claimed her a few years before that, but still ...)

I think he "claimed her" as in . . . "my baby-mama still lives with her husband, so I got two kids I don't even have to support.  Which is a good thing, because I spend all my money on Chinese food.  How smart am I?"  Only Lisa knows for sure about other possibilities, but I'd love to see a DNA test to prove whose kids they are.  Because if they're the ex-husband's kids, there should be no more butt-wiping from Bayley or bathing assistance from the son.

[Miss Ruth]

2 hours ago, chuckity said:

 

Just popping in to say, this is still up:  https://www.gofundme.com/h974k26s

  

Someone on the page said, "Lisa, you are James only way to eat, you are responsible for what goes in his mouth so please stop what you are doing which is killing him."

How can people blame Lisa for so much of James' condition?  He has a phone, and I feel sure he knows how to order a food delivery.  Only James is responsible for what goes in his mouth.

[AZChristian]

5 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

Someone on the page said, "Lisa, you are James only way to eat, you are responsible for what goes in his mouth so please stop what you are doing which is killing him."

How can people blame Lisa for so much of James' condition?  He has a phone, and I feel sure he knows how to order a food delivery.  Only James is responsible for what goes in his mouth.

But Lisa seemed to enjoy James' enjoyment of the food.  "Do you want more?"  "How's THAT" (when referring to a triple-sized chunk of cheesecake.

Yep, there's a phone.  Move it out of his reach.  Problem solved until he loses enough weight to get himself up to reach it.

But you are right . . . the end responsibility is James'.  It doesn't matter how much food Lisa stacks on his plate (in response to his demands).  He's the one shoveling it in.

[ethalfrida]

5 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

Someone on the page said, "Lisa, you are James only way to eat, you are responsible for what goes in his mouth so please stop what you are doing which is killing him."

How can people blame Lisa for so much of James' condition?  He has a phone, and I feel sure he knows how to order a food delivery.  Only James is responsible for what goes in his mouth.

In a way I agree about the phone. But she is not dealing with someone who is mature enough to accept responsibility. If there was no cooperation from him with anything I would take the phone too; not answer the door and accept the food; substitute what he likes with healthier versions, etc. You have to be able to think in these situations because it requires not only patience but also kindness, respect and a good knowledge of what the healthy options are.

[WhoaWhoKnew]

10 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

 

How can people blame Lisa for so much of James' condition?  He has a phone, and I feel sure he knows how to order a food delivery.  Only James is responsible for what goes in his mouth.

I agree. Lisa definitely has a problem, but James is a grown ass man (even though he refuses to behave like one) and his weight is his responsibility alone.

To blame Lisa is just making another excuse for his situation.

Edited March 20, 2017 by WhoaWhoKnew

[Lunula]

9 minutes ago, Miss Ruth said:

Someone on the page said, "Lisa, you are James only way to eat, you are responsible for what goes in his mouth so please stop what you are doing which is killing him."

How can people blame Lisa for so much of James' condition?  He has a phone, and I feel sure he knows how to order a food delivery.  Only James is responsible for what goes in his mouth.

I'm not on board with placing all the blame on Lisa, but she is responsible for the current situation. Sure, he has a phone and can order food, but who the hell is going to answer the door? Is a pizza delivery guy going to open the door, go to his bedside, get money from his wallet and close the door behind him? James is 100% bed-ridden - even being able to order delivery or food online from Amazon isn't going to help a guy who can't get up to answer the damn door.

That said, he's a grown man who has shown he's completely incapable of taking responsibility for himself or his actions. She is 100% his enabler and that does mean she is complicit. We can use the same argument with her, she's a grown woman who should know how to make good and responsible decisions, but she does not. In her case, I think she's just beaten down, literally and figuratively. I can't imagine her mindset and I feel sorry for her - but she is putting food in front of him. Would he throw a salad at the wall and scream? Probably. But guess what? He can't get up to get anything else. If you are staying in the "relationship" and you are assuming responsibility for his care, then you have to open your eyes to see what he's doing to himself AND to you. Lisa does neither. If you love this man then tough love is in order. When I think of my husband, I cannot fathom putting crap like that in front of him if he were bed-ridden and if he were 800 lbs and experiencing heart-failure, he sure as hell wouldn't be getting junk food from me. 

[Barb23]

On 3/19/2017 at 11:55 AM, Toaster Strudel said:

Not only that... but he's not pooping logs... there was a huge stain I could see when they were folding over the quilted pad he shits on.  He has bad diarrhea.

It said in one of the pop ups that for the past month was suffering with a fever, vomiting & "bowel issues" which is a nice way of saying diarrhea so I'm sure you're right.  Thank God he has a catheter.  I couldn't imagine cleaning up both wet & poopy pads.  It would be a non-stop job from the amount that goes in him.

Add me to the list of people watching episode multiple times for the fascination. I'm watching it again now because I've missed the part with Lisa & her short skirt.

James is definitely one of those people that love to be waited on & cared for.  Why else wouldn't he have made the effort to get out of bed when he broke his ankle?  For most of us, staying in bed for just a few days would have driven us nuts.  But he loved it & the days turned into weeks....into months......& that brings him years later still in bed.

Watching the scene of them bathing him gets more gross each time I watch it.  It looked like they were using just one pan of water on him so does this mean the rest of his body was being wiped down with same water & rag that was used for his legs? Hopefully they changed the water but I doubt it.  Even if he could have just sat up with his legs hanging down over the side of the bed, they would have been able to clean his legs better. But he was way past the cleaning his legs to make them better stage.  It's amazing gangrene hasn't set in yet or it probably has & can't be seen.

Why oh why  couldn't they have moved the crap out of the living room to help the firemen when they moved him out?   I may have just let him go sailing down the ramp if I were them. "Ow mah leg...."

My son mentioned last night that we haven't had Chinese food in a while.  I wonder why.

[WhitneyWhit]

Word to all the posts about his kids. He said he wasn't able to a father to them because Lisa was still married. What does that have to do with anything? Was she trying to pass those kids off as her ex-husband's? That makes him even more pathetic because what man stands by and allows that to happen? There was a pop-up that said after Lisa separated from her ex, she briefly moved to Tennessee with the kids, so again, it seems like James not being a father was out of his own choosing -- and seems as though that he's always had excuses as to why he couldn't do something.

[Wings]

3 hours ago, ethalfrida said:

In a way I agree about the phone. But she is not dealing with someone who is mature enough to accept responsibility. If there was no cooperation from him with anything I would take the phone too; not answer the door and accept the food; substitute what he likes with healthier versions, etc. You have to be able to think in these situations because it requires not only patience but also kindness, respect and a good knowledge of what the healthy options are.

No way to do that.  He has to eat 850 calories of lean protein and non starchy vegetables, that is it.   His diet is very restricted and there is no way around that.  

Both Lisa and James are responsible for his condition.  Dr Now said come back when you are 600 pounds.  I hope he does, only because I want to see him again and watch him flip out when Dr Now tells him to lose 50 more before he will be considered for surgery, and he will!  He has to see for himself that the patient has that control.  

Edited March 20, 2017 by wings707

[WhoaWhoKnew]

As soon as James started showing out in the ambulance to Houston about his legs, I knew we had Penny pt 2. 

Both from abusive households who decided to pick broken people to create broken children with who they could then abuse in an extremely bizarre way.

As I believed with Penny, James loves being this overweight because he gets everyone's attention and sympathy.

RUN BAYLEY AND LISA! 

JUST FUCKING RUN!

Edited March 20, 2017 by WhoaWhoKnew

[ethalfrida]

27 minutes ago, wings707 said:

No way to do that.  He has to eat 850 calories of lean protein and non starchy vegetables, that is it.   He diet is very restricted and there is no way around that.  

Both Lisa and James are responsible for his condition.  Dr Now said come back when you are 600 pounds.  I hope he does, only because I want to see him again and watch him flip out when Dr Now tells him to lose 50 more before he will be considered for surgery, and he will!  He has to see for himself that the patient has that control.  

You mean to tell me there is no way to lessen the calorie load of some of the things he likes? Have you ever cooked a chicken that has no added fat but yet makes a gravy in its own juices? Of course you can do lean proteins and non starchy vegetables in under 850 calories. I do it almost everyday for myself. Have you ever had rutabaga fries? It is why I said one has to know healthier options. 

Edited March 20, 2017 by ethalfrida

[Pentwater]

I wonder what would happen if James' caregivers took a day off. Poof! Just left the premises, leaving him adequate hydration. Maybe a phone for a 911 call. Then, *poof* maybe stretch it to a weekend off, again with adequate hydration. Really, what happens to these bed-bound people when others stop giving a flying F? 

[DC Gal in VA]

1 minute ago, Pentwater said:

I wonder what would happen if James' caregivers took a day off. Poof! Just left the premises, leaving him adequate hydration. Maybe a phone for a 911 call. Then, *poof* maybe stretch it to a weekend off, again with adequate hydration. Really, what happens to these bed-bound people when others stop giving a flying F? 

I wondered about that too Pentwater, specifically about the legalities. For instance, if both Lisa and Bayley both said "That's it, we can't take it anymore!" What exactly are their legal obligations as caretakers? What if they reported that he is a verbally and emotionally abusive person AND Lisa, as stated in one of those screen messages, has hernias due to her care of him. Can Texas force them to stay? Wouldn't Texas have to release them from their caretaker status and be responsible for putting him in a nursing home that could accommodate him?

[operalover]

4 hours ago, AZChristian said:

And another thing I noticed while watching the supersized edition.  Bayley said "My mama pulled me out of school to help take care of my daddy."  That sure doesn't sound like Bayley was in college.  A college student would say, "I dropped out of school."  That kid was still in high school.  And probably under 18.  Pulled out of school to wipe her father's butt.  That's child abuse, pure and simple.

ETA:  Someone in that family or people with personal knowledge of this situation should call in authorities.  From my cursory reading, the statute of limitation on child abuse in Kentucky is that it has to be reported within 5 years of the victim turning 18.  Bayley is 19.  And any evidence needed can be garnered by watching this episode of M600#L.  I'm thinking some time in jail would get James below 600.  And Lisa might drop quite a bit of weight, too.

I googled Lisa and found her profile on maybe instagram or some other site. It was written a year ago. In her profile she says "I have 2 children, both in High School" so a year ago Bailey was in High School. It sounds like she was pulled out of Senior year of High School, not college.