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Gemma Violet

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As you know, Joy has stepped away from posting on her Youtube channel, but today she gave brief update on her IG stories--she talked a little about Jana's wedding, how beautiful it was, the stunning venue, Jana looking like a princess, etc.  She said they (Joy, Austin, and the kids) left for Colorado that night after the wedding with Austin's family and spent ten days there.  She also included a few photos taken at the wedding that we haven't seen.  

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Notabug

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3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Giddy is 6. He's riding a motorized dirt bike. He parents are so proud. I was never a bubble wrap mom, but, really?

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When I was 6, was just learning to ride a regular bike without training wheels.  I cannot think of any reason a 6 year old needs a motorized bike.  An accident waiting to happen.

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I have lived in the south for over 40 years. I am a city girl by nature. But these activities are very common and very popular. Even among people not like the Forsyths. I remember riding a bike in the small city I grew up in. No helmets back then. No monitoring. Rode all over even in streets. Today my parents would be reported. Of course there are accidents. And of course helmets are a good thing. And of course safety lessons important. Don't know what the Forsyths do but he is wearing a helmet which looks like it is on mostly correctly. 

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CalicoKitty

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I have fear/dislike of this type of bike for children.  On my first day of clinical in nursing school there was a group of people standing in the hall outside a room.  A 12-year-old girl had been riding a dirt bike on her parent's ranch and was having a great time.  On her last trip around , she hit at rock.  Her family was gathered at the hospital that day to pull her plug.  It was an accident, but it had a very tragic outcome.  I really worry about the Forsyth kids.  I think kids need some freedom, but we have seen them in some dangerous situations which could have been prevented with some common sense.

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6 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I have fear/dislike of this type of bike for children.  On my first day of clinical in nursing school there was a group of people standing in the hall outside a room.  A 12-year-old girl had been riding a dirt bike on her parent's ranch and was having a great time.  On her last trip around , she hit at rock.  Her family was gathered at the hospital that day to pull her plug.  It was an accident, but it had a very tragic outcome.  I really worry about the Forsyth kids.  I think kids need some freedom, but we have seen them in some dangerous situations which could have been prevented with some common sense.

That's the crux of it; I don't think most 6 year olds have the judgment or physical skills to avoid a tragic accident should something go wrong when traveling at the speed that a dirt bike can reach.  Even bikes are dangerous to a degree, but I would be loathe to increase the risk unnecessarily by adding a motor to the mix.

When I was a kid, we rode bikes all over the place, in an out of the street and not a helmet to be found.  And I grew up in the inner city with tons of traffic everywhere,  Nowadays, it wouldn't go unnoticed.  When we learn better, we do better.

There is a reason why ER personnel refer to motorcycles as 'murdercycles' or 'donorcycles'.  It's one thing to take that risk as an adult, quite another to allow a child to assume it.

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GeeGolly

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Goodness yes. I rode my bike all over town for hours at a time when I was little and rode even farther as a teen. My kids rode in our neighborhood within a perimeter of busier roads. They wore helmets. But these were regular ole two wheelers - no motor or engine.

My brothers, as tweens and teens rode what we called minibikes, something in between what Giddy is riding and a motorcycle. They wore helmets and only rode them on a (well traveled and well known to us) dirt road and a dirt path at our summer cottage. 

My mom was a free range parent and even she waited until my brothers were twice Giddy's age.

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Notabug

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32 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Goodness yes. I road my bike all over town for hours at a time when I was little and road even farther as a teen. My kids rode in our neighborhood within a perimeter of busier roads. They wore helmets. But these were regular ole two wheelers - no motor or engine.

My brothers, as tweens and teens road what we called minibikes, something in between what Giddy is riding and a motorcycle. They wore helmets and only rode them on a (well traveled and well known to us) dirt road and a dirt path at our summer cottage. 

My mom was a free range parent and even she waited until my brothers were twice Giddy's age.

My sister and I and a few friends rode our bikes to and from our Catholic high school, about 10 miles each way through downtown Cleveland a couple times for special days.  We were 14-16 at the time and, even back then, I was surprised my mother allowed it.

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Gemma Violet

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I cringed when I saw the video, especially since Gideon was going pretty fast.  I don't have kids, but if I did, never in a million years would I let them have a bike like that, helmet or no helmet.  Another thing I hate is three-wheelers and four-wheelers.  I've heard of too many cases where they tipped over and killed/maimed someone.  Call me overly-cautious, but it only takes one second to change your life forever.  

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crazy8s

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22 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

As a parent, I wouldn’t let my kid ride that. But I can’t control Joy & Austin. I guess I’ll just be glad that he has a helmet on. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Was it an electric bike of some sort? I couldn't tell from the pics. It looks light and appropriately sized. He has a regular bike helmet on.

My kids started riding a gas powered honda mini when they were about 8. The grandparents had 19 acres of farm land for them to ride around. The thing was heavy and the rule was you had to wear pants because the muffler got hot and could burn a leg and a motorcycle type helmet had to be worn.

Husband won the Honda in a church raffle when he was 9. He and his 4 siblings rode that thing around for many years. We still have the thing and our grands beg to ride it. Currently doesn't run and it is hard to get parts, so no riding for them yet.

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When I learnt to ride a bike I was very good with the riding part, I just didn't understand the braking part yet ...  Once I rode down the hill in front of my home and used an apartment block entry area as a brake. It didn't work out too well for me but thankfully my siblings were in the puree stage of eating.  We shared meals for a bit.  

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Salacious Kitty

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My infamous biking story happened when I was about 9 or 10. I lived in the hills, and my friend and I decided to race down two streets that intersected at the bottom of the hill. Let's just say it was a tie. 😂

No harm done, just scraped up a bit. No helmets were worn. 

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EmeraldGirl

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On 9/24/2024 at 2:13 PM, Gemma Violet said:

I don’t know why I have a quote box and don’t know how to get rid of it! Sorry.

My son started with asthma when he was about two. He would just cough and cough until he had to vomit. At two years old he didn’t know any other way to get rid of it. We had some rough times with inhalers when he was around 7-9. It would be a real emergency sometimes. Luckily he grew out of it before high school. Now he has three dogs and a cat and no problems with breathing. 😀
 

Poor sweet baby. It’s going to be a long road since he’s so young. But hopefully he will also grow out of it someday. 
 

Now would be the time for normal people to rethink how many children they want to have. Now that one of them has a health issue, no matter how treatable it is. he’s going to need more attention than the others. I do appreciate Joy’s daughter wearing regular clothes though. She’s at the hospital in a T-shirt and shorts. No dresses or leggings in sight. 

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CalicoKitty

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Some people handle allergies differently than others.  I worked with a mom whose son had breathing issues due to allergies.  She went to a great allergist that I recommended, and she was furious that he told her to remove the carpet from his room because carpet holds dust and allergens.  NO WAY was she taking the carpet out!  She had more concern for the carpet than she did for her son.  And she continued to bad-mouth the doctor to anyone who would listen.  Meanwhile, the poor child continued to have issues.  I wonder if Joy knows anything about how to clean and remove things like carpet that make his issues worse.  As we saw on the show, she is not big on hygiene, so I'm guessing her house may have a lot of dust. Being around construction sites doesn't help, either.  Poor kid.

 

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Gemma Violet

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I watched the whole thing in segments throughout the day--it was 2 1/2 hours total.  It kept my interest. 

A few tidbits: 

Apparently Austin's family was not as conservative as the Duggars in some ways.  He talked about how he spent a lot of time at the Duggars (before the courtship) because he was friends with John David, and how shocked he was when he learned that the Duggars would go swimming in their clothes.  He said he started to take his shirt off once and was told to put it back on.  He said the Duggar boys were not allowed to wear shorts until later, so swimming was in long jeans and shirts for the boys.  Joy says the rules have been loosened up.  

Austin was asked about the questionnaire he had to fill out pre-courtship.  He said some of it made sense like the financial aspect, faith, have you ever been arrested, etc.  But some of it was like none-of-your-business, but he could understand why JB did it.  Joy said they were never forced to court anyone, and if JB and Michelle made a suggestion regarding a certain boy, the girls could veto it.

Joy said the biggest misconception about her family is that their social media is controlled by JB.  

Austin said Jana's wedding news was leaked.  He said someone outside the family posted a photo of an invitation.  They spoke on the lack of security, saying that just a couple of days ago, their doorbell rang at 11 pm and it was a pizza delivery person delivering a pizza to 'Joy Anna Duggar,' not 'Joy Forsyth.'  It was a prank.  The delivery person took it back to the store and they didn't have to pay for it, but Joy said that's happened several times over the years at the big house like a big stack of pizzas delivered that wasn't ordered. 

Austin doesn't read the bad comments on social media as it makes him angry.  Joy tries not to read them but often does.

Joy said she feels like she's been acting her whole life, i.e. keep a smile on your face, etc.

Joy said the girls have gotten tons of letters from strange guys over the years.  Joy even had one from prison and the other girls had several from prison.  They were either marriage proposals or pen pal requests.

When talking about wearing skirts vs pants, Austin mentioned that Michelle never judged anyone for wearing pants.  (He didn't mention JB.)  Jinger agreed that her mother never judges people who are different than her and she said she's never heard her mother raise her voice and she knows it's a choice she makes to not do that.  Jinger said she raised her voice when Gideon was nine months old, so she marvels at Michelle being able to control it.

Joy cried a couple of times talking about her postpartum depression.  She said she had a little bit with the first two kids, but it was really bad with Gunner.   She went to a Christian counselor.  She talked to her doctor about it and the doctor wanted to put her on antidepressants.  She turned that down.  She said she was depleted in a couple of vitamins and she started taking vitamins prescribed by the doctor.  She also started eating right because she wasn't bothering to eat the right things and was just nibbling what the kids would leave.  She said she noticed a big change.  She said she's doing better, but just the fact that she cried a couple of times in the interview makes me think she's not over the hump completely.  Another thing bringing her down during that time had to do with Jinger's book, since she (Joy) also started questioning the way she was raised.  Joy says she has moved on from having her faith be fear-based.

Their goal is to get some land because Austin was raised on a farm and he wants a similar upbringing for his kids.  (You'll recall they are living in a rental home now, I guess while they search for the land.)  Joy said they'll probably stay in Arkansas.

Joy said they've always said they'd have four, five, or six kids, but right now they're in a good spot and can spend quality time with the kids and they want to effectively raise the kids that they have, so they're taking it one by one.  (But then in the same breath, she mentioned that maybe the next one will be twins.) 

The hosts thanked them for flying to Arizona.  I wonder if they went just for the podcast.  Maybe they did some touristy things while there.

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Gemma Violet

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Another thing I just remembered from the podcast:  Joy and Austin discussed the chaperoning.  When they were courting and before they were engaged, Austin got into a bad accident and totaled his truck.  Joy was driving five minutes ahead of him.  He called her and instead of turning around to go see about him, she called JB because there was no chaperone and she didn't want to disrespect JB's rules by being alone with Austin.  She continued driving and met up with JB and rode back with him and a brother in their tow truck.  She then ran up to Austin, crying, and held onto his arm for 10-15 minutes.  I guess JB either was busy with the car and didn't notice that Joy had been holding onto Austin's arm, or he decided to ignore it since it was an emergency.  But Joy's brother (she didn't name which one) tattled on her (she didn't use that word), saying, "Pops, Joy has been holding onto Austin's arm this whole time and they're not supposed to even be holding hands."  She said JB looked annoyed and said, "Joy, you should probably let go of his arm."  The way she said it, I took it as meaning JB was annoyed at his son as opposed to being annoyed at Joy.  He probably told her to let go of Austin's arm to be consistent with the rules for Mr. Tattletale's sake.  

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mythoughtis

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 That is so messed up.  She was five minutes ahead of him?  Were they both coming from somewhere they had been with chaperones?  The normal reaction from, family, friends, significant others would be to turn around.  His truck was totalled …. Was JB going to think they were going to hop in hers for a make-out session?  Was it a single car accident?  Was he hurt?   Normal parents would have understood.   She was at least 16 because she was driving by herself 

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Gemma Violet

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That is so messed up.  She was five minutes ahead of him?  Were they both coming from somewhere they had been with chaperones?  The normal reaction from, family, friends, significant others would be to turn around. His truck was totalled …. Was JB going to think they were going to hop in hers for a make-out session?  Was it a single car accident?  Was he hurt?   Normal parents would have understood.   She was at least 16 because she was driving by herself 

They were coming from Austin's family's home. Someone came in his lane in a blind curve and almost hit Austin head-on and he swerved to take the ditch.  She was 18, about to turn 19.  In the explanation, it seemed to me like she started to say JB said she could turn around, saying that he said, "Hey, I'll head over that way.  You can go ahe...I don't know if I went ahead."  She couldn't remember what she had done to get there (turned around or came with JB in the wrecker) and Austin told her she met up with JB and came in the wrecker.  So when she started to say that JB said, "You can go ahe...," does she mean JB was going to let her go back by herself?  Who knows.

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EmeraldGirl

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Did anyone see that Joy colored her hair a dark brown with red roots? Her friend did it for her from a box. When it was all done, Joy was crying, and not in a good way. 
 

I’m not sure what that was all about. Or what hubby’s reaction might have been. But if anything, she should have gone lighter. Unlike Jinger who just was not made to be a blonde, I think it would’ve looked fantastic on Joy. Just like Jana seems like she could be a natural blonde. i’m really hoping she goes to get it fixed and goes lighter – at a professional salon. 

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AstridM

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11 minutes ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Did anyone see that Joy colored her hair a dark brown with red roots? Her friend did it for her from a box. When it was all done, Joy was crying, and not in a good way. 
 

I’m not sure what that was all about. Or what hubby’s reaction might have been. But if anything, she should have gone lighter. Unlike Jinger who just was not made to be a blonde, I think it would’ve looked fantastic on Joy. Just like Jana seems like she could be a natural blonde. i’m really hoping she goes to get it fixed and goes lighter – at a professional salon. 

She could make it a lot lighter simply by immediately washing it with some dish detergent. 

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Madtown

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2 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Did anyone see that Joy colored her hair a dark brown with red roots? Her friend did it for her from a box. When it was all done, Joy was crying, and not in a good way. 
 

I’m not sure what that was all about. Or what hubby’s reaction might have been. But if anything, she should have gone lighter. Unlike Jinger who just was not made to be a blonde, I think it would’ve looked fantastic on Joy. Just like Jana seems like she could be a natural blonde. i’m really hoping she goes to get it fixed and goes lighter – at a professional salon. 

She had another video of her going to the salon to get the color she wanted. She mentioned that she washed it twice and then 3 more times. Still not the color she thought it was going to be. The videos I saw, her and her friend were laughing quite a bit.

She hasn't posted an update from the salon yet.

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Gemma Violet

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On 10/16/2024 at 7:47 PM, Gemma Violet said:

When talking about wearing skirts vs pants, Austin mentioned that Michelle never judged anyone for wearing pants.  (He didn't mention JB.)  Jinger Joy agreed that her mother never judges people who are different than her and she said she's never heard her mother raise her voice and she knows it's a choice she makes to not do that.  Jinger Joy said she raised her voice when Gideon was nine months old, so she marvels at Michelle being able to control it.

I was just reading a post of mine that's a couple of weeks old, and I noticed I put Jinger's name a couple of times instead of Joy's.  It won't let me edit it (too old, I guess), so I edited it above.

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ozziemom

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The older the Duggars get the more the women look alike, especially from different angles. I never thought Jinger looked like any of the others, but Joy looks like her in above picture #2. I’ve noticed it in a few recent posts, ie Jessa looking like Jinger but also Jana. And Jill looking more like Jana. Genetics are funny and obviously people see different things in faces. My mother in law swore my daughter was the twin of her daughter ( my husband’s sister, lol) while everyone else says she looks like me. 

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Meow Mix

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On 11/5/2024 at 10:35 AM, Is Everyone Gone said:

I might be psychoanalyzing too much, but Joy has been changing her hair a lot, and I wonder if she feels like she wants a change in her life but doesn't know how to go about it.

I know some years ago when I had a particularly bad time at work I took it out on my hair, so this could be.

I think highlights or lowlights on her original color would have looked good.  The box color was awful, but the salon color is also too dark.  I do like the style, though because her hair needed a trim and conditioning.

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