S06.E10: Lemons Into Lemonade

[lezlers]

6 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

What "extra" load does Tyler have to carry? He is unemployed and has one child.

If his remarks that she sleeps till noon than just lays on the couch under a blanket until her afternoon nap, I'd imagine he's pretty much doing everything.  I know that Cate was doing everything for Nova but Tyler didn't seem to be struggling too much with her gone for the month (I'm sure April and his mom helped out a lot, too) so I'm guessing Ty is taking on a lot more responsibility at home than he was before.

Not that I don't think he should be.  You're right, he doesn't have shit going on himself.  But just like Cate was resenting him for letting her do all the heavy lifting with Nova, I think he'd be a little justified in getting annoyed at her if all she truly is doing all day is sleeping or lying around doing nothing while he takes care everything that needs to be taken care of.  An almost 2 year old is a lot of work. 

[poopchute]

30 minutes ago, lezlers said:

If his remarks that she sleeps till noon than just lays on the couch under a blanket until her afternoon nap, I'd imagine he's pretty much doing everything.  I know that Cate was doing everything for Nova but Tyler didn't seem to be struggling too much with her gone for the month (I'm sure April and his mom helped out a lot, too) so I'm guessing Ty is taking on a lot more responsibility at home than he was before.

Not that I don't think he should be.  You're right, he doesn't have shit going on himself.  But just like Cate was resenting him for letting her do all the heavy lifting with Nova, I think he'd be a little justified in getting annoyed at her if all she truly is doing all day is sleeping or lying around doing nothing while he takes care everything that needs to be taken care of.  An almost 2 year old is a lot of work. 

Yes, if you are feeding, bathing, clothing, and playing with the 2 year old.  What do they feed her? We know they don't know how to use a stove.  She is always in just a diaper.  I wonder how often she gets a bath? We never see him playing with her. We just see her trying to entertain herself while he scrolls through his phone.  That doesn't seem like much work at all.

[lezlers]

4 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Yes, if you are feeding, bathing, clothing, and playing with the 2 year old.  What do they feed her? We know they don't know how to use a stove.  She is always in just a diaper.  I wonder how often she gets a bath? We never see him playing with her. We just see her trying to entertain herself while he scrolls through his phone.  That doesn't seem like much work at all.

Heh.  Do you have kids?  Nova was born a couple of weeks after my daughter.  I assure you, just keeping her alive throughout an entire day exhausts me. I look forward to going back to work on Mondays just to get a break!  If my husband slept in till noon then laid on the couch all day under a blanket just to go back upstairs and nap in the afternoon we would be having ISSUES in my house.  I'd be able to bite my tongue for about 2.5 seconds. 

[SPLAIN]

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If his remarks that she sleeps till noon than just lays on the couch under a blanket until her afternoon nap, I'd imagine he's pretty much doing everything.

April should have received a gift for Father's Day gift since she cares for Nova.

Nova likely spent those 30 days at April's while her daughter was in rehab for "anxiety".

[Feline Queen]

16 hours ago, mamadrama said:

The original "rich bitch" was Priscilla Davis in Texas. A young mother of 3 who married the first time at the age of 16,she married herself a rich oil-baron sugar daddy (Cullen Davis) and, by all accounts, was a gold digger. She and her husband later divorced and in 1977 she, her daughter, and her lover were attacked. Her lover and her daughter were both murdered; she was shot in the chest. She blamed her ex husband and he went on trial for the murder. She's famous for wearing a gold necklace that spelled out "rich bitch" in diamonds across her chest. 

Heather Locklear played Priscilla in the made-for-TV movie. My mother was Cullen Davis' secretary for awhile.

I am full of useless trivia. 

Cool trivia. But I used Nene Leakes because she's also a reality *star* and refers to herself as that. 

[poopchute]

35 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Heh.  Do you have kids?  Nova was born a couple of weeks after my daughter.  I assure you, just keeping her alive throughout an entire day exhausts me. I look forward to going back to work on Mondays just to get a break!  If my husband slept in till noon then laid on the couch all day under a blanket just to go back upstairs and nap in the afternoon we would be having ISSUES in my house.  I'd be able to bite my tongue for about 2.5 seconds. 

Yes. I have a 4 month old baby.

[lezlers]

10 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Yes. I have a 4 month old baby.

You'll see what I mean in about 10 months then.  They make 'em adorable so we don't eat our young.   I had to take a week off to stay home with our daughter a couple of months ago when she had hand foot mouth disease (gahhhhhhh) and I was losing my ever loving mind by the week's end.  I practically skipped back to work.  Toddlers can be rough.

38 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

April should have received a gift for Father's Day gift since she cares for Nova.

Nova likely spent those 30 days at April's while her daughter was in rehab for "anxiety".

I was wondering about that.  I doubt she had her the whole month, tho.  When Tyler was changing her before their flight he looked like he knew what he was doing and he didn't seem half as freaked out as I would be if I were about to fly with a baby.  Plus April wasn't with them in Arizona before he picked up Cate.  Don't get me wrong, Tyler is a total loser and needs to do something with his life but I think he is/was taking care of Nova a lot more than we saw last season since Cate's been a permanent resident of Bedlam.

Edited October 20, 2016 by lezlers

[SPLAIN]

3 minutes ago, lezlers said:

You'll see what I mean in about 10 months then.  They make 'em adorable so we don't eat our young. 

I was wondering about that.  I doubt she had her the whole month, tho.  When Tyler was changing her before their flight he looked like he knew what he was doing and he didn't seem half as freaked out as I would be if I were about to fly with a baby.  Plus April wasn't with them in Arizona before he picked up Cate.  Don't get me wrong, Tyler is a total loser and needs to do something with his life but I think he is/was taking care of Nova a lot more than we saw last season since Cate's been a permanent resident of Bedlam.

Tyler had Nova's diaper on backwards.

Not disagreeing that Tyler must do some things for Nova. I just don't think he is doing anything for her that is more than Cate has done. I think they put in the same amount of work and care for that child, which IMO, is not a whole lot. They have both admitted to leaving Nova for five days out of the week at April's place. That means, April is the one picking up the slack for both of them. I do get that Tyler can be frustrated with and is at his wit's end with Cate, but that doesn't mean he is caring for Nova because Cate is unable to or not wanting to. Tyler is busy with the new house. He should be since he has no job and nothing else going on.

[lezlers]

Omg did he really have the diaper on backwards? Ha ha ha!  I didn't even notice.  That's hilarious.   Do we know if they're still leaving Nova with April 5 days a week?  I don't remember it being that much when it was mentioned or if it's still that much now.  If so, that is totally inexcusable.    I can't imagine lying on the couch all day and sleeping in till noon with my kids in the house.  That would be impossible!  I assumed she was able to because Tyler was taking care of Nova but maybe you're right and she's at April's the whole time.  Maybe Cate's paranoia that she's a shitty mom isn't just paranoia.  Also?  she's not gonna be losing much weight if she's smoking weed all day long.  Talk about self sabotage. A large part of Cate's problem might be that she's incredibly bored. She's bored and/or anxious so she smokes weed.  She gets the munchies and binge eats.  Then she feels shitty about herself for getting high and binge eating in the middle of the day which leads to more depression.   If she rarely has Nova anyway, she'd be wise to get in school or get a job to get her out of the house or to do SOMETHING that gives her some self worth and gets her out into the world amongst the living.  But that would be too logical for these Teen Moms.  Easy money or no money.

[poopchute]

31 minutes ago, lezlers said:

You'll see what I mean in about 10 months then.  They make 'em adorable so we don't eat our young.   I had to take a week off to stay home with our daughter a couple of months ago when she had hand foot mouth disease (gahhhhhhh) and I was losing my ever loving mind by the week's end.  I practically skipped back to work.  Toddlers can be rough.

I was wondering about that.  I doubt she had her the whole month, tho.  When Tyler was changing her before their flight he looked like he knew what he was doing and he didn't seem half as freaked out as I would be if I were about to fly with a baby.  Plus April wasn't with them in Arizona before he picked up Cate.  Don't get me wrong, Tyler is a total loser and needs to do something with his life but I think he is/was taking care of Nova a lot more than we saw last season since Cate's been a permanent resident of Bedlam.

I think you misinterpreted my comment maybe.  I'm not saying it's easy for normal people to take care of a two year old.  Because normal people actually interact with their kids.  I'm sure my life would be a lot easier right now if I just left my baby in his swing or pack n play or crib all day like we see Jenelle do.  But it's a lot of work right now and I know it will continue to be work as he gets older.  But Tyler and Catelyn aren't good parents.  They don't do anything. So even if Catelyn is in bed all day, what is Tyler really doing for Nova besides barking "learn to turn it around" at her instead of actually playing with her.  He's not cooking, he's not cleaning, he's not doing laundry because she doesn't wear clothes, he's not interacting with her, he's not taking her places.  What's left?

[SPLAIN]

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I don't remember it being that much when it was mentioned

@lezlers  It was that much. Tyler mentioned it to the therapist. 

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

You'll see what I mean in about 10 months then.  They make 'em adorable so we don't eat our young.   I had to take a week off to stay home with our daughter a couple of months ago when she had hand foot mouth disease (gahhhhhhh) and I was losing my ever loving mind by the week's end.  I practically skipped back to work.  Toddlers can be rough.

I was wondering about that.  I doubt she had her the whole month, tho.  When Tyler was changing her before their flight he looked like he knew what he was doing and he didn't seem half as freaked out as I would be if I were about to fly with a baby.  Plus April wasn't with them in Arizona before he picked up Cate.  Don't get me wrong, Tyler is a total loser and needs to do something with his life but I think he is/was taking care of Nova a lot more than we saw last season since Cate's been a permanent resident of Bedlam.

Shew, I don't know about @poopchute but I always found infancy the hardest. I found them easier once they got to be about 6 months old. I have had 3 kids, although one did not survive to toddlerhood.

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, poopchute said:

I think you misinterpreted my comment maybe.  I'm not saying it's easy for normal people to take care of a two year old.  Because normal people actually interact with their kids.  I'm sure my life would be a lot easier right now if I just left my baby in his swing or pack n play or crib all day like we see Jenelle do.  But it's a lot of work right now and I know it will continue to be work as he gets older.  But Tyler and Catelyn aren't good parents.  They don't do anything. So even if Catelyn is in bed all day, what is Tyler really doing for Nova besides barking "learn to turn it around" at her instead of actually playing with her.  He's not cooking, he's not cleaning, he's not doing laundry because she doesn't wear clothes, he's not interacting with her, he's not taking her places.  What's left?

No, I understood it.  I've been home with my daughter (Nova's age) for 50 minutes so far.  In that time she's fallen off the couch twice and out of her booster once. That's with me being about 2 feet away.  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

Edited October 21, 2016 by lezlers

[GreatKazu]

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  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

There is no secret. It is an established fact Nova is not there at Casa Baltierra for the most part. She wasn't there when Tyler was at the new house while Cate slept in to purposely to miss her appointment. Either Tyler picked up Nova or she was dropped off when Tyler returned to the house. He wasn't there or he would not have been shocked to see Cate come back home so soon.

[poopchute]

55 minutes ago, lezlers said:

No, I understood it.  I've been home with my daughter (Nova's age) for 50 minutes so far.  In that time she's fallen off the couch twice and out of her booster once. That's with me being about 2 feet away.  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

I would think that it's impossible too except we always see them laying on their individual couches, phones in hands, while Nova toddles around on her own.  I think their secret is "not giving a shit about our kid"

[charmed1]

On October 17, 2016 at 10:16 PM, winnter said:

OMG He had Crazy Eyes this episode too, when he was picking up the tree branches.

Ryan simultaneously looked like Ted Kaczynski and the Pride flag while he was out tossing that wood. Creepy.

From the old lady pocketbook, to waking up early, Leah is a kid after my own heart. 

Edited October 21, 2016 by charmed1

[Pepper Mostly]

15 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

As others have noted, Tyler was likely at the new house. How is she supposed to wake her up if he wasn't there?  It was Cate's responsibility to get herself out of bed and to her appointment. She had a house full of MTV people.

But she went to the doctor, and had to turn around and come right back home. So Tyler went to the other house for--an hour? And why was he so surprised to see her back? She had a doctor's appointment, she wasn't flying to Paris. 

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, Pepper Mostly said:

But she went to the doctor, and had to turn around and come right back home. So Tyler went to the other house for--an hour? And why was he so surprised to see her back? She had a doctor's appointment, she wasn't flying to Paris. 

He was most likely surprised to see her because she had an afternoon of filming following the new psychiatry appointment, such as a scene at Kathleen's hotel room/office where they discuss the appointment or a scene with a rando friend doing the same. 

[charmed1]

On October 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, lasandi said:

I do believe Michael's GF got that memo too, that reads to get along with Farrah you must kiss her arse at every turn.  Also I have come to the conclusion that Simon shows up for giggles and a check.  He comes there and gets berated for even breathing and he could care less what we all say becuz he is getting PAID.  Lol

Every time I hear them kissing her behind, it reminds me of Dorothy and Sophia volunteering with Meals on Wheels. "This is Mrs Taylor. You'll get along with her just fine. Two things: one, compliment her cat, and two, Jews control the planet." ..."Oh, Hi, Fluffy. Looking good!"

[teapot]

13 hours ago, lezlers said:

No, I understood it.  I've been home with my daughter (Nova's age) for 50 minutes so far.  In that time she's fallen off the couch twice and out of her booster once. That's with me being about 2 feet away.  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

clearly, your dogs are not earning their keep as full-time nannies, then.

[Miasmomma]

Gary and Kristina are really good parents and Leah is really lucky she has them.  I thought it was very telling when Gary was asking Leah about feeling left out or loved and she said I usually talk to Kristina about that; because in all the real ways Kristina is her mother.  

Tyler and Cate-In general I can't stand Tyler and how he has historically treated Cate, however this episode reminded me of some of the struggles I have had in my own marriage.  My husband also suffers from both depression and an anxiety disorder.  About a year into our marriage his mental illness reach a critical point and he was really refusing to get help.  It's not easy being the other partner either.  I really felt for him but at some point I got frustrated and his illness absolutely effects me too.  Every once in while now almost 15 years later something will trigger him and it's awful.  He's in bed for hours at a time cycling through being anxious to being depressed and I have no choice but to take care of our daughter and the house.  I have at times been frustrated and angry that I am forced to deal with his mental illness.  

I think Ryan was using and I think he stopped.  The way that Maci was talking about him just made it seem to me that there was an actual "thing" that happened.  Given how he looked in the tie-dye and how he looked when Bentley was at his house,  I think he got clean.  

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

18 hours ago, lezlers said:

Heh.  Do you have kids?  Nova was born a couple of weeks after my daughter.  I assure you, just keeping her alive throughout an entire day exhausts me. I look forward to going back to work on Mondays just to get a break!  If my husband slept in till noon then laid on the couch all day under a blanket just to go back upstairs and nap in the afternoon we would be having ISSUES in my house.  I'd be able to bite my tongue for about 2.5 seconds. 

 

16 hours ago, lezlers said:

No, I understood it.  I've been home with my daughter (Nova's age) for 50 minutes so far.  In that time she's fallen off the couch twice and out of her booster once. That's with me being about 2 feet away.  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

I have a son a few months older than Nova and yes, Lezlers, I agree! We joke that Mondays (when I go to work and babies go to daycare) are the new Fridays because the weekends are soooo much work with my babies! But I adore them and try to enjoy it. 

Maybe my son (I also have a 3 month old daughter) just gets into more or wants more attention than Nova. Maybe our dogs aren't good nannies like Tyler and Cate's dogs.  Maybe it's because I don't have an April to drop them off on whenever I want to nap. I don't know. All I know is that sleeping in past 9 or laying on the couch all day is out of the question.  

[AhFillAck]

7 hours ago, charmed1 said:

From the old lady pocketbook, to waking up early, Leah is a kid after my own heart. 

Old lady pocketbook---so cute! She is always so adorable. I loved the little smile she gave when Gary said "you know I love you."

I enjoyed when she threatened to hit Gary with her new lunchbox when he said "What does the L stand for? Loser!" Her eyes got huge like Ryan's.

4 hours ago, charmed1 said:

Every time I hear them kissing her behind, it reminds me of Dorothy and Sophia volunteering with Meals on Wheels. "This is Mrs Taylor. You'll get along with her just fine. Two things: one, compliment her cat, and two, Jews control the planet." ..."Oh, Hi, Fluffy. Looking good!"

LOL!!! May I add to the useless trivia? I used to date one of Bea Arthur's sons. :)

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

2 minutes ago, AhFillAck said:

 

LOL!!! May I add to the useless trivia? I used to date one of Bea Arthur's sons. :)

What??? OMG!!! I can't decide whether it would be amazing or intimidating to be one of Bea Arthur's daughters-in-law..... that's awesome!

I feel for the people who are gonna end up with the TM crew as their in-laws. I can't imagine having Amber as my mother-in-law.....

[AhFillAck]

1 minute ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

What??? OMG!!! I can't decide whether it would be amazing or intimidating to be one of Bea Arthur's daughters-in-law..... that's awesome!

Sadly I never got to meet her, but I did know her two dogs. :) She was very reclusive and private. Not in a weird way, though. She was completely unlike her Dorothy or Maude characters, she was soft spoken and sweet and quiet from what he told me and I heard from others,, so I think it would have been awesome. :) I hope to see Matt again (her son, not Baier!! Eww) when I'm in LA soon. I still love him!

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

 

I have a son a few months older than Nova and yes, Lezlers, I agree! We joke that Mondays (when I go to work and babies go to daycare) are the new Fridays because the weekends are soooo much work with my babies! But I adore them and try to enjoy it. 

Maybe my son (I also have a 3 month old daughter) just gets into more or wants more attention than Nova. Maybe our dogs aren't good nannies like Tyler and Cate's dogs.  Maybe it's because I don't have an April to drop them off on whenever I want to nap. I don't know. All I know is that sleeping in past 9 or laying on the couch all day is out of the question.  

Right?  I'm stoked if I get to "sleep in" till 7!  I always say a surefire cure for the Sunday night blues is having small children. 

4 hours ago, teapot said:

clearly, your dogs are not earning their keep as full-time nannies, then.

Alas, we have no dogs, just cats.  Four of them.  Useless animals and assholes to boot.

[lidarose9]

I suspect Nova comes to Tyler and Cate's house on the days when filming is scheduled. Otherwise she lives with April.

[GreatKazu]

12 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

But she went to the doctor, and had to turn around and come right back home. So Tyler went to the other house for--an hour? And why was he so surprised to see her back? She had a doctor's appointment, she wasn't flying to Paris. 

If I may add to @CofCinci response, Tyler likely had to meet a contractor at the new house. He went to April's to pick up Nova, returned home and was not expecting Cate home since the drive to the appt. seemed to be at least 30 minutes one way. Add the one hour appointment with the doctor, then at least a bit of filming with MTV afterwards. Then, Cate would have likely driven to the drugstore to fill a prescription. But, since she missed the appt., there was no prescription to fill. Driving home is approximately 30 minutes going by Cate mentioning the time and how late she was as she drove to the doctor's. She does not need to stop for puff-puff since she does that while driving.

Cate herself may have told Tyler the night before she was going to her appt. and how long she was going to be out of the house.

Cate was not surprised at Tyler reacting to her being home early. In fact, she seemed worried knowing she had to explain herself. 

Edited October 21, 2016 by GreatKazu

[teapot]

11 minutes ago, lidarose9 said:

I suspect Nova comes to Tyler and Cate's house on the days when filming is scheduled. Otherwise she lives with April.

she lives with Simon and Alexa at Larry & Jen's.  They all just come out when it's filming time

[guilfoyleatpp]

Just re-watching that dinner scene with crazy Debra and Farrah.

"In reference to your comment, I don't think that Simon knows this is Farrah's dream" says Debra to the new girlfriend. And she had daggers in her eyes.

I don't know how GF stands the crazy. From my (relatively) rational point of view, that is an insane point of clarification to make to someone who was just making conversation. It would also make me not want to hang out with them at all, ever. So much fucking work. No, thank you.

I have a super passive aggressive family member (she married my sister's husband after my sister passed away).  She thinks she's being so clever and zooming me and my husband a couple of times a visit, when really I'm just too polite to tell her she's being a giant asshole. We limit contact as much as possible, which is easier since my sister's daughters are nearly grown.

I wouldn't date a dad with a child like Farrah. No matter how rational or great he seems, you would always wonder how much of the crazy he is responsible for.

 

Also, in terms of the Cate and Tyler resentment situation, since someone put it like that I can sympathize a little more.  The first year of my son's life felt like constant counting of who was doing what and both of us feeling resentful about it. And I wouldn't have considered a second for the first 6 months. It was just too much. Babies are fucking hard. I still keep track of who does what (hello, I make the bed 95% of time time), but it's not tied to as much irritation.

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, lezlers said:

No, I understood it.  I've been home with my daughter (Nova's age) for 50 minutes so far.  In that time she's fallen off the couch twice and out of her booster once. That's with me being about 2 feet away.  It's impossible to sleep till noon or lay on the couch doing nothing with an almost 2 year old running around the house.  Or maybe I just need to learn Cate and Ty's secret.  :D

The secret is, if she falls down, the dogs boost her back up. 

 

I do wonder if Cate didn't start getting "depressed" as a way to get back at Tyler for not helping in the beginning. I do think there's a good chance she's really depressed, but she also might very well be using her mental illness to manipulate the people around her. Maybe she doesn't even realize she's doing it. But that relationship is full of passive aggressive dysfunction. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Farrah: "I mean, I know I'm an awesome person, who WOULDN'T want to stop talking to me."

Simon: bursts out laughing

[charmed1]

4 minutes ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Farrah: "I mean, I know I'm an awesome person, who WOULDN'T want to stop talking to me."

Simon: bursts out laughing

^and...

Farrah: "You guys are great parents because of me."

Table: Bursts out laughing...then slowly realizes she wasn't kidding.

[ghoulina]

50 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

Farrah: "You guys are great parents because of me."

Table: Bursts out laughing...then slowly realizes she wasn't kidding.

Then she attempts to prove this by saying SHE'S a great parent because of Sophia - the feral Mogwai that she rarely sees. 

[salvame]

On 10/18/2016 at 1:22 PM, AirQuotes said:

 

I had the biggest lol when Farrah said she is taking her froyo shop international to places like California and New York.  She is so dumb, and she has no business talking down to anyone.

 

OMG - yes!!  I almost lost it when she said this.  I really can't stand her segments - usually only half watch for the stupidity factor. 

[lezlers]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

The secret is, if she falls down, the dogs boost her back up. 

 

I do wonder if Cate didn't start getting "depressed" as a way to get back at Tyler for not helping in the beginning. I do think there's a good chance she's really depressed, but she also might very well be using her mental illness to manipulate the people around her. Maybe she doesn't even realize she's doing it. But that relationship is full of passive aggressive dysfunction. 

I think this is a really good point.  I think we can all agree that last season, whenever Nova WAS home with Cate and Tyler, Cate did 100% of the work.  Tyler even admitted to as much on the show.  Knowing how much work babies are, that is fucked UP.  And I don't totally blame Tyler for that.  I've got a good friend with the same dynamic between her husband and herself (and they both work outside the home.)  She does about 95% of the childcare because that's just how it's always been.  She gets annoyed at it but at the same time understands that it's a situation of her own creating. 

As far as Cate goes, now the tables seem to have turned, at least on the rare occasion that Nova is home.  And yeah, I think a small part of Cate probably enjoys that she's got an excuse for why Tyler has to do his fair share of child care.  Considering that neither of them have a job, it really SHOULD be split 50/50 anyway.  I noticed that when she told Tyler to not be a jerk when he commented about her "indulging" as she was eating that ginormous take out container of Chinese food, she had a smirk on her face.  Likely because she knows he's been told not to say anything to her.  I'm fairly certain Cate's got a serious passive aggressive streak in her.

Edited October 21, 2016 by lezlers

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Then she attempts to prove this by saying SHE'S a great parent because of Sophia - the feral Mogwai that she rarely sees. 

Which was an awful thing for Farrah to even say. Bad enough she believes it. That is some pressure to put on a child, even a feral one like Sophia. No child is responsible for how good or bad their parents are in life. Children do not make you a parent.

When Sophia stuck her tongue out in that one scene,  I was just taken aback. I get children do childish things and some things are just kids being kids, but she did that to an adult as she made that evil face of hers. I just cannot stand her. There is no way in hell I would ever want to be in that child's presence. I feel so bad for her teachers, the classmates, and the entire city.

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I think this is a really good point.  I think we can all agree that last season, whenever Nova WAS home with Cate and Tyler, Cate did 100% of the work. 

Maybe not 100 percent, but a good chunk of it. However, it was her job according to her as she laid it out there she was going to be a SAHM. She did say it in such a passive-aggressive manner, too. It sounded to me as if she was saying to Tyler, "I will be home. What will you be doing?" This was on the heels of Kim asking Tyler what he was going to do with his life and that was when he mentioned he was not going to conform to society. Instead, he was going to write a book. Now, Kim, as much as I loved her for asking Tyler what he was going to do in life, it should be Cate asking him what he was going to do in life. She is, afterall, his wife.

 

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

As far as Cate goes, now the tables seem to have turned, at least on the rare occasion that Nova is home.  And yeah, I think a small part of Cate probably enjoys that she's got an excuse for why Tyler has to do his fair share of child care.  Considering that neither of them have a job, it really SHOULD be split 50/50 anyway.  I noticed that when she told Tyler to not be a jerk when he commented about her "indulging" as she was eating that ginormous take out container of Chinese food, she had a smirk on her face.  Likely because she knows he's been told not to say anything to her.  I'm fairly certain Cate's got a serious passive aggressive streak in her.

Agree to everything, especially the bolded parts.

Cate does have that smirk going on a lot. She is not fooling me.

I have forgotten. What was the reason for them buying that new home? Was the other one a rental?

[Chris Knight]

4 hours ago, AhFillAck said:

Sadly I never got to meet her, but I did know her two dogs. :) She was very reclusive and private. Not in a weird way, though. She was completely unlike her Dorothy or Maude characters, she was soft spoken and sweet and quiet from what he told me and I heard from others,, so I think it would have been awesome. :) I hope to see Matt again (her son, not Baier!! Eww) when I'm in LA soon. I still love him!

OMG I loved her !!! She was my favorite HGTV. I suspected that she was very nice in real life. What is her son like ? What does he do for a living ? Is he adopted  ?  I thought I read her 2 sons were adopted. I'm not a stalker, really, just virtually starstruck ?

Just now, ChicagoChris said:

OMG I loved her !!! She was my favorite HGTV. I suspected that she was very nice in real life. What is her son like ? What does he do for a living ? Is he adopted  ?  I thought I read her 2 sons were adopted. I'm not a stalker, really, just virtually starstruck ?

Bottle HGTV, but GG as in Golden Girls lol. 

1 minute ago, ChicagoChris said:

OMG I loved her !!! She was my favorite HGTV. I suspected that she was very nice in real life. What is her son like ? What does he do for a living ? Is he adopted  ?  I thought I read her 2 sons were adopted. I'm not a stalker, really, just virtually starstruck ?

Bottle HGTV, but GG as in Golden Girls lol. 

Not bottle, just not. Gah, never mind.

[Calm81]

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

Right?  I'm stoked if I get to "sleep in" till 7!  I always say a surefire cure for the Sunday night blues is having small children. 

Alas, we have no dogs, just cats.  Four of them.  Useless animals and assholes to boot.

There's a Facebook page called "Asshole cats" and I thought of that when reading your post. You should join the group. Everyone post pictures and videos of what their "asshole cats" did that day. Really cute. ???

[AhFillAck]

50 minutes ago, ChicagoChris said:

OMG I loved her !!! She was my favorite HGTV. I suspected that she was very nice in real life. What is her son like ? What does he do for a living ? Is he adopted  ?  I thought I read her 2 sons were adopted. I'm not a stalker, really, just virtually starstruck ?

Bottle HGTV, but GG as in Golden Girls lol. 

Not bottle, just not. Gah, never mind.

"Bottle"! LMAO. I will PM you all the details. :)

[lezlers]

2 hours ago, Calm81 said:

There's a Facebook page called "Asshole cats" and I thought of that when reading your post. You should join the group. Everyone post pictures and videos of what their "asshole cats" did that day. Really cute. ???

I will be ALL over that, thanks!  One of our cats pissed down the heating vent in our bathroom the other day.  His behavior is so bad we took him to the vet to see if there was something wrong with him.  Nope, he's just an asshole.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

2 hours ago, Calm81 said:

There's a Facebook page called "Asshole cats" and I thought of that when reading your post. You should join the group. Everyone post pictures and videos of what their "asshole cats" did that day. Really cute. ???

Thanks for the tip. I just joined LOL

[SPLAIN]

7 hours ago, lidarose9 said:

I suspect Nova comes to Tyler and Cate's house on the days when filming is scheduled. Otherwise she lives with April.

This.

8 hours ago, AhFillAck said:

Old lady pocketbook---so cute! She is always so adorable. I loved the little smile she gave when Gary said "you know I love you."

I enjoyed when she threatened to hit Gary with her new lunchbox when he said "What does the L stand for? Loser!" Her eyes got huge like Ryan's.

LOL!!! May I add to the useless trivia? I used to date one of Bea Arthur's sons. :)

*jaw drops*  I need the details about Bea Arthur and her son.

[Blissfool]

8 hours ago, AhFillAck said:

 

I enjoyed when she threatened to hit Gary with her new lunchbox when he said "What does the L stand for? Loser!" Her eyes got huge like Ryan's.

My bold.

Haha. I wish I could use this phrase daily.

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, AhFillAck said:

"Bottle"! LMAO. I will PM you all the details. :)

Now we're not going to be having any of private message stuff. You can just march right over to "small talk" and spill those beans because, you know, inquiring minds and all... ;-) Seriously. That's some cool shit right there. I love my Girls and Designing Women. I spent an hour on Reddit the other day reading stories from folks who have met famous people in real life. I used to work for an events' center in a big southern city. I met most of the relevant country music singers at the time. Nothing juicy to share, unfortunately, except for the fact that this one Christian group was so bitchy I almost lost my job when I got into a fight with the lead singer. (They were filming a video and using our kitchen as their makeup room. She wouldn't let me get to my sandwich in the refrigerator. I was hungry and shit happens.)

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

7 hours ago, lezlers said:

I think this is a really good point.  I think we can all agree that last season, whenever Nova WAS home with Cate and Tyler, Cate did 100% of the work.  Tyler even admitted to as much on the show.  Knowing how much work babies are, that is fucked UP.  And I don't totally blame Tyler for that.  I've got a good friend with the same dynamic between her husband and herself (and they both work outside the home.)  She does about 95% of the childcare because that's just how it's always been.  She gets annoyed at it but at the same time understands that it's a situation of her own creating. 

As far as Cate goes, now the tables seem to have turned, at least on the rare occasion that Nova is home.  And yeah, I think a small part of Cate probably enjoys that she's got an excuse for why Tyler has to do his fair share of child care.  Considering that neither of them have a job, it really SHOULD be split 50/50 anyway.  I noticed that when she told Tyler to not be a jerk when he commented about her "indulging" as she was eating that ginormous take out container of Chinese food, she had a smirk on her face.  Likely because she knows he's been told not to say anything to her.  I'm fairly certain Cate's got a serious passive aggressive streak in her.

 

9 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I do wonder if Cate didn't start getting "depressed" as a way to get back at Tyler for not helping in the beginning. I do think there's a good chance she's really depressed, but she also might very well be using her mental illness to manipulate the people around her. Maybe she doesn't even realize she's doing it. But that relationship is full of passive aggressive dysfunction. 

THIS. So much this! I have to agree with y'all.

I do think Cate is depressed, but I absolutely think she uses it 1) to make Tyler do more work with Nova as payback for her doing most of the work when they had Nova at their home when she was a baby; 2) as payback to make him miserable for pressuring her to give up Carly; and 3) as an excuse to dump Nova on April as payback for the hell April put her through for giving up Cary. 

(As for #3, I can totally see Cate thinking "This woman bitched constantly that I didn't keep her grandkid. She wanted a grandkid SO bad. Well, guess she can't say sh*t when I drop the grandkid off to her all the time. Hahahaha!")

I also think that Cate is using the depression as an excuse to 4) Get Tyler to break up with her. They both want the other to be the one to pull the plug on their "golden couple"/birth parents' success story" MTV storyline. But neither one wants to be the bad guy that ended it. 

The sad thing is poor Nova is stuck in the middle. I really hope April is still sober (I doubt it).

Edited October 22, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic
Wine.

[starfire]

@MyPeopleAreNordic  I love your editing reason. :-)

[FlowerofCarnage]

15 hours ago, ghoulina said:

15 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Then she attempts to prove this by saying SHE'S a great parent because of Sophia - the feral Mogwai that she rarely sees.

 

More like someone feed her after midnight and she is now a full-fledged gremlin!

Edited October 22, 2016 by FlowerofCarnage

[BravoAddict72]

To me, Tyler and his mother are the biggest jerks ever. Cate has said over and over she has a fear of abandonment but he threatens to leave if she doesn't get better. Does he really think if he says that she will magically get better? It's just going to make her anxiety worse. I have been where Cate is. I wanted to get up but all I could do was sleep. I could not make myself get up. I wanted to get off the couch and play with my child but I couldn't. I would be sitting on the couch crying with my son saying he just wanted his mom back. I wanted help but couldn't ask for it. My husband, who is the exact opposite of Tyler, actually took the day off and took me to my first appointment. Why couldn't Tyler schedule his day so he could take Cate? His schedule can't be that busy. Maybe he could try to be supportive instead of a pompous jerk. And his mother can just shut up. How about getting your lazy son to do something with his life before you start on Cate.

What I don't get is if April was such a bad mother, and it has been said a lot she was, why would Tyler and Cate leave Nova there so much? Why wouldn't they protect their daughter from what Cate experienced? As a side note, how does April get so many men to marry her?

[lezlers]

14 minutes ago, BravoAddict72 said:

To me, Tyler and his mother are the biggest jerks ever. Cate has said over and over she has a fear of abandonment but he threatens to leave if she doesn't get better. Does he really think if he says that she will magically get better? It's just going to make her anxiety worse. I have been where Cate is. I wanted to get up but all I could do was sleep. I could not make myself get up. I wanted to get off the couch and play with my child but I couldn't. I would be sitting on the couch crying with my son saying he just wanted his mom back. I wanted help but couldn't ask for it. My husband, who is the exact opposite of Tyler, actually took the day off and took me to my first appointment. Why couldn't Tyler schedule his day so he could take Cate? His schedule can't be that busy. Maybe he could try to be supportive instead of a pompous jerk. And his mother can just shut up. How about getting your lazy son to do something with his life before you start on Cate.

What I don't get is if April was such a bad mother, and it has been said a lot she was, why would Tyler and Cate leave Nova there so much? Why wouldn't they protect their daughter from what Cate experienced? As a side note, how does April get so many men to marry her?

As to your last questions.  April abused Cate growing up because she's an addict who was actively using at the time.  She's (allegedly) clean now, so Cate feels okay leaving Nova with her.  As for how many men marry April, I work with a lot of addicts and I've got to say, they're seldom alone.  As far as addicts go, they tend to flock towards one another (even in their sobriety) and form very intense bonds very quickly, hence the marriages.  They're not often healthy relationships and I wouldn't really envy April.  That woman has had a HARD life (not that it's any excuse for how she "raised" her children.  I hope she feels ashamed of herself every single day.)