Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[NikSac]

New pictures of Jill's baby bump. Wow that is one BIG belly. I am still saying twins maybe triplets.

 

http://www.people.com/article/jill-duggar-dillard-pregnant-baby-bump-photos?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag

 

I'm still going with creatively cut dresses and poses, but certainly could be more.

 

I also still think it'd be hilarious if she's a couple more months pregnant than she's 'supposed' to be, even though I think it's unlikely. I'm still waiting for one of these girls to have a perfectly healthy, fully developed baby at 2 or 3 months "premature" though.

Edited October 8, 2014 by NikSac

[NikSac]

I was showing by 12 weeks and I had one 7lb baby girl. Some people do.

 

Agreed. I know this is only somewhat related to the Duggars so hope it's okay but I have seen women who were showing practically the minute they found out they were pregnant and others who didn't show until a couple of months before they gave birth. It seems to vary so much.

[Ljohnson1987]

Dill will annouce Dill Pickle's Jender on a VSE 19 kids and counting on 10/21. Well, there's a "Big" announcement coming. As long as it's not a pregnancy announcement from J'Chelle and Boob it's fine.

[abseedee]

Agreed. I know this is only somewhat related to the Duggars so hope it's okay but I have seen women who were showing practically the minute they found out they were pregnant and others who didn't show until a couple of months before they gave birth. It seems to vary so much.

Yes, it seems to vary.  I've never had children myself but, by going with Jill's bump at 15 weeks, a few of my friends showed as early as Jill, one not until 7 months. Another.was about Jill's size at 15 weeks and that was a few days before her due date. I once asked a co-worker how far along she was and she told me she wasn't pregnant.  I was SOOOOOOO embarassed.

[Jellybeans]

If I were Derrick, I would keep working for WalMart and make sure I never sell my soul to the family business.

And...I may be the only one to think so (given we haven't seen the wedding episode yet) I thought Jill's bridesmaids dresses were cute... or at least they resemble the thousands of country inspired ones I can't avoid on the Pinterest everyday feed. I have nothing against the Bride going barefoot, it's her day.

I wore black at my wedding and heard everything except "I like your dress" oh well......it was a family custom.

[ChicksDigScars]

Dill will annouce Dill Pickle's Jender on a VSE 19 kids and counting on 10/21. Well, there's a "Big" announcement coming. As long as it's not a pregnancy announcement from J'Chelle and Boob it's fine.

 

I love that they're unintentionally stealing the Seewald wedding thunder. I seriously dislike that kid's father. Bin is just dumb, but his father is a  first class fame whore trying to capitalize on the Duggar's notoriety. It's like he sold his first born for fame. 

 

Most of the scenes with both Bin and Derick, I swear that Derick must be thinking what a moron that his future brother-in-law is, but he's too nice to ever say anything. 

Edited October 8, 2014 by ChicksDigScars

[Ripley68]

I was showing at 11 weeks.

 

Comment up thread someone made about Jill and Dericks eyes looking puffy in a picture they saw, like they had been crying or something.  Maybe they had their first fight?  3 months - a little late, but about the time for a first fight - especially since they probably have never had a fight before since they were never alone.

[ChicksDigScars]

Jill and Dericks eyes looking puffy in a picture they saw, like they had been crying or something.  Maybe they had their first fight?

 

Or maybe lack of sleep? They are newlyweds, after all. Derick DID act like he knew what fur lined handcuffs were in the last night's episode. 

[NikSac]

Yes, it seems to vary.  I've never had children myself but, by going with Jill's bump at 15 weeks, a few of my friends showed as early as Jill, one not until 7 months. Another.was about Jill's size at 15 weeks and that was a few days before her due date. I once asked a co-worker how far along she was and she told me she wasn't pregnant.  I was SOOOOOOO embarassed.

 

Yep!  I don't ask unless I'm really, really sure the person is pregnant (as in the Mom-to-be has been excited about it for awhile). Seems like some people show really early, some don't until the last minute, and some just emphasize it from the beginning - I tend to think Jill's in the "emphasize it from the beginning" category.

[Adeejay]

Jill always struck me as being the only Duggar kid who drank the whole pitcher of kool-aid, so I was rather surprised to hear her complaining on camera – no less.  But then again that exercise was really stupid.  I have a feeling she isn’t as “sweet” as they’ve have us believe.

[NikSac]

I have a feeling she isn’t as “sweet” as they’ve have us believe.

 

I think that's why I like her. Having my doubts lately with the registry and wedding shenanigans (sp?) but I think she's got spirit hidden in there somewhere.

[abseedee]

Yep!  I don't ask unless I'm really, really sure the person is pregnant (as in the Mom-to-be has been excited about it for awhile). Seems like some people show really early, some don't until the last minute, and some just emphasize it from the beginning - I tend to think Jill's in the "emphasize it from the beginning" category.

Emphasizing and positioning her hands to draw attention to her bump.

[Barb23]

There's no reason that we are aware that Jill should have a home birth, and she will likely have an excellent midwife at her side. Anna had that for her first birth, which went quite smoothly, and her third, which was long, but not problematic. It was only the second, when it was clear that Anna really did not have anyone with medical authority there to say, "we need to move this to a hospital" that Michael's birth got a bit out of hand.

There's nothing wrong per se with a home birth, and we know that they will seek medical help when they actually have qualified help on site. If Jill has that, I think she should at least try to have the birth she wants.

Anna did not have an excellent midwife by her side for Mac's birth. They were planning on a hospital birth with Dr Sarver who ended up being away when Anna went into labor. Anna/Smugs wasn't comfortable with another doctor, so at last minute they prayed and decided on home birth. Josh called Ms. Teresa, a doula not a midwife, who taught their Bradley classes to come & help with delivery.

Regarding the twin thing, I worked in an OB/gyn office. On the first visit (we called it the Verification visit , usually done around 10 weeks) an internal sonogram is done to check for viability, to check delivery date, and to verify number of fetuses. So if Jill had this type of appt with her doctor/midwife, she would already know if she is having twins (or even triplets). Since we know what happens a day after it happens with this family, I'm sure it would have made the cover of People already.

[GEML]

Ah- you're right. I thought it was Michael's birth that they only had the doula. I don't think any home birth should be done without a midwife. Period.

I've said all along that she knows by now. But they may make more money spreading their news out.

And you would know from working in an OB office, the rate of natural triplet is incredibly rare, bordering on almost lightening strike impossible for a first pregnancy. Now with fertility treatment, whole new ball game, but that's almost certainly not the case here.

[DangerousMinds]

Jill & Derick just gave a pregnancy update on TLC. They said they have a lot of evidence/things that make them think they're having a girl but they don't know the sex yet. Then they say "stay tuned to TLC for a big announcement on October 21st".

I'm betting because of her "showing" that they think or know they are having twins. I can't think of what else would be a "big" announcement. Unless God help us, Michelle is expecting too.

Evidence??

[lottiedottie]

Evidence??

I would guess they have had genetic testing done? One of the teachers at my son's school is pregnant, and when I saw her in early September, she already knew she was having a girl, due to some sort of testing they do now (she was about 16-20 weeks at that point) It wasn't an ultrasound, it was some genetic thing.

[Jellybeans]

My first pregnancy, I did everything possible to make sure everyone saw.... the bump. She is excited as most of us are with our first pregnancy. Of course we havent gotten to the wedding...

[GEML]

There's almost no way Jill would have had genetic testing.  You could have the CVS at 12 weeks or so, and the amnio at 16-18 weeks, but both of those would have risks of a miscarriage that I think would be too high in the Duggar world, and honestly, given her age and health, there would be no reason to do so.  No one wants to push things, but you can make a really good guess (in the 85% or higher if it's a girl) with a decent sonogram machine and even average technician by about 14 weeks, and with each week that goes by, the rate improves.  The better the machine and the more experience the technician, the more reliable, of course.

The reason most sonograms are done at the 18th week or so really isn't for gender, but for fetal development.  That's a good time to test for heart, lung, spinal and many other developmental issues and still (ahem) give the parents time to make any decisions regarding the pregnancy that they might need to make, as those decisions become medically more complicated with every passing day.  Gender is just a bonus.

Edited October 8, 2014 by GEML

[Jellybeans]

Anyone know if Derrick is seeing the friends he had before he got married? Or work friends?

[Barb23]

Ah- you're right. I thought it was Michael's birth that they only had the doula. I don't think any home birth should be done without a midwife. Period.

I've said all along that she knows by now. But they may make more money spreading their news out.

And you would know from working in an OB office, the rate of natural triplet is incredibly rare, bordering on almost lightening strike impossible for a first pregnancy. Now with fertility treatment, whole new ball game, but that's almost certainly not the case here.

You're right about the rarity of triplets. We didn't even see that many twin pregnancies & it was a larger practice. I also worked in a Primary care/Pediatric office for 15 years & only remember 2 sets of triplets & one set was from fertility treatments.

Count me with the others that think she is showing by pushing her stomach out & how she is sitting. I was very thin when I got pregnant. So even though I thought I was showing (around 4-5 months) to others it looked like I was just gaining a few pounds. I didn't want to wear maternity clothes too soon because a friend told me that when you finally have to wear them for months, you're going to get tired of wearing the same outfits over & over. (Unless you can afford a whole new maternity wardrobe which I couldn't & I luckily borrowed some maternity clothes from a coworker. ) Unlike Jill & MEchelle, I realized I wasn't the first woman to get pregnant so it wasn't a thing for me to announce to the world I was pregnant by wearing maternity clothes.

I too wonder if Jill & Derickdillard fellowship with his college & work friends.

[GEML]

For those of us watching a long time, we went from Jill wearing baby doll tops that hid everything to form fitting tops to show her belly. I don't think she was every as skinny in the hips (which is good for a woman who wants many children) as her arms and shoulders appeared but she's definitely giving that bump every bit of help to show it off now.

[BitterApple]

Jill always struck me as being the only Duggar kid who drank the whole pitcher of kool-aid, so I was rather surprised to hear her complaining on camera – no less.  But then again that exercise was really stupid.  I have a feeling she isn’t as “sweet” as they’ve have us believe.

I agree. Jill, Derick, Jessa and Bin all made thinly veiled comments about how stupid they thought the whole thing was, which shows there is some normalcy there. That's how any typical 20-something would react to being forced to hop around on a children's playset while handcuffed.

 

Those scenes also showed how out of touch Boob and Michelle are, and how much they infantilize their grown, adult children. It reminded me of the epi where Joy turned 13 and her present was a train ride. That might have excited my nephew when he was 5.

[questionfear]

There's almost no way Jill would have had genetic testing.  You could have the CVS at 12 weeks or so, and the amnio at 16-18 weeks, but both of those would have risks of a miscarriage that I think would be too high in the Duggar world, and honestly, given her age and health, there would be no reason to do so.  No one wants to push things, but you can make a really good guess (in the 85% or higher if it's a girl) with a decent sonogram machine and even average technician by about 14 weeks, and with each week that goes by, the rate improves.  The better the machine and the more experience the technician, the more reliable, of course.

The reason most sonograms are done at the 18th week or so really isn't for gender, but for fetal development.  That's a good time to test for heart, lung, spinal and many other developmental issues and still (ahem) give the parents time to make any decisions regarding the pregnancy that they might need to make, as those decisions become medically more complicated with every passing day.  Gender is just a bonus.

Theres a blood test that people have done that gives gender early. I know a few people who knew quite early from genetic blood testing. Is that the CVS or something different? 

[Fuzzysox]

Jill is acting like she invented pregnancy. We get it Jill, you're knocked up. No need to update every 5 minutes. What a famewhore.

I'm thinking she hit the jackpot of marrying a nice guy that knocked her up right away and is using her "story" as an "encouragement" to others thus thinking she is doing good works as a Gothard brainwashed devotee. But who are we kidding she is a famewhore learned it from her daddy. More pictures mean more money.

[Jellybeans]

I think every first time mother thinks she invented pregnancy, that is if she is wanting to be pregnant. I give her a pass on that.

I agree the parents infantilize their adult children and hopefully the these guys (especially Derrick) will put a stop to it as he and Jill grow closer. Who know, really.

I try to just watch the show and not over analyze things.

[GEML]

The new blood test is different from the CVS (which is a needle, like an amino) and the big issue is the expense - it starts at $1000 minimum and only a few doctors offer it because it isn't completely confident about reliability and tort law against OB/GYN's really is out of control. It's possible that they have had that done, but then they really could have said pretty conclusively at seven weeks (when I say it isn't reliable, that's more of a legal issue because again, it's a genetic test, not that it isn't pretty accurate which it seems to be for gender ).

It seems much more likely that they are timing a special episode to announce the gender in real time. I'm hoping that means they'll actually get "married" by then!

[Darknight]

Why can't they just tell what they're having via social media. I don't understand gender revel parties. Just tell people what you're having

I think every first time mother thinks she invented pregnancy, that is if she is wanting to be pregnant. I give her a pass on that.

I agree the parents infantilize their adult children and hopefully the these guys (especially Derrick) will put a stop to it as he and Jill grow closer. Who know, really.

I try to just watch the show and not over analyze things.

Imagine her doing this with baby number 3,4,5,6. It's tacky Tbh. I do know some people who do update their pregnancy status every 5 seconds. It becomes completely annoying

Edited October 9, 2014 by Darknight

[Jellybeans]

Why can't they just tell what they're having via social media. I don't understand gender revel parties. Just tell people what you're having

Imagine her doing this with baby number 3,4,5,6. It's tacky Tbh. I do know some people who do update their pregnancy status every 5 seconds. It becomes completely annoying

I enjoy gender reveal parties of any close friend's baby. :-) If you aren't excited, you probably shouldn't go because maybe you are not close to the mother. I skip gender reveal parties if there is nothing in it for me. She must be a friend I care for....with a baby I'd be willing to babysit.

How do you know Jill is going to do a gender reveal with baby, 3,4,5,6...? I can't get annoyed about something that has not even happened. Too much stress for me LOL.

[Darknight]

I enjoy gender reveal parties of any close friend's baby. :-) If you aren't excited, you probably shouldn't go because maybe you are not close to the mother. I skip gender reveal parties if there is nothing in it for me. She must be a friend I care for....with a baby I'd be willing to babysit.

How do you know Jill is going to do a gender reveal with baby, 3,4,5,6...? I can't get annoyed about something that has not even happened. Too much stress for me LOL.

I hate gender revel parties. Just call email or text people what you're having. And these are the Duggars we are talking about. I wouldn't put it pass them to do this with baby number 3,4,5. Just like I wouldn't put it pass them on filming Jill's birth

[Jellybeans]

I hate gender revel parties. Just call email or text people what you're having. And these are the Duggars we are talking about. I wouldn't put it pass them to do this with baby number 3,4,5. Just like I wouldn't put it pass them on filming Jill's birth

well, I see nothing wrong with your opinion. hmm... had not thought about filming Jill's birth. I am new to the series, am NOT going to start at the beginning but I have watched this season and a few old episodes here and there.

[floridamom]

I think some things are being overdone out there these day,, like a gender reveal party. Do you really need a whole party just to slice a cake? It's not like a wedding, I believe it would simply be anticlimactic for anyone really other than the immediate family who are genuinely excited about the upcoming birth. Maybe I'm behind the times, but I was happy enough just to call my family and some friends and let them know what we were having.

[mandragor]

No idea what kind of pre-natal testing is acceptable in fundy-land, but the above discussion re: non-invasive genetic testing was probably referring to MaterniT21, a relatively new blood test that is becoming more widespread. No risk of miscarriage like with amnio or cvs.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequenom#MaterniT21_PLUS

 

I wonder if they even bother to do chromosomal testing, though. It wouldn't change what they're doing either way.

[NikSac]

I think some things are being overdone out there these day,, like a gender reveal party. Do you really need a whole party just to slice a cake? It's not like a wedding, I believe it would simply be anticlimactic for anyone really other than the immediate family who are genuinely excited about the upcoming birth. Maybe I'm behind the times, but I was happy enough just to call my family and some friends and let them know what we were having.

 

I haven't been invited to one of these yet (and hopefully that trend continues) but I'm with you. I think I'd be so irritated by the whole thing. I doubt the purpose of it is to reveal the gender or slice a cake. My bet is the purpose is "gifts! gifts! gifts!" Otherwise if you're close enough to someone to care if it's a boy or girl, a phone call is plenty in my opinion.

[GEML]

No idea what kind of pre-natal testing is acceptable in fundy-land, but the above discussion re: non-invasive genetic testing was probably referring to MaterniT21, a relatively new blood test that is becoming more widespread. No risk of miscarriage like with amnio or cvs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequenom#MaterniT21_PLUS

I wonder if they even bother to do chromosomal testing, though. It wouldn't change what they're doing either way.

Yes, that's one of the blood tests on the market. They are still not common, however, many OB's are reluctant to use them for potential risks of inaccuracies (again, we are talking about genetics and tort law is serious against OBs) due to their lack of familiarity and they are almost never covered by insurance and pretty expensive.

[WTFFF]

 

Those scenes also showed how out of touch Boob and Michelle are, and how much they infantilize their grown, adult children. It reminded me of the epi where Joy turned 13 and her present was a train ride. That might have excited my nephew when he was 5.

 

I just rewatched that episode a few days ago, and it was heavily implied that Joy's train ride was actually a planned field trip for the kids that day, and the only "party" thing they really planned for her was going out for ice cream.  Michelle actually commented that they had  a lot of commitments that day and they had to "squeeze in" her "ice cream party."  I felt so bad for Joy at that moment.  They couldn't have waited a day?  They've done that before when they want to combine parties.

[Fuzzysox]

SMDH.

 

Pregnant Jill Duggar and husband Derick Dillard write out Bible passages to hold onto for encouragement during their baby's birth - which is still six months away

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2779930/Pregnant-Jill-Duggar-husband-Derick-Dillard-write-Bible-passages-hold-encouragement-baby-s-birth-six-months-away.html#ixzz3FIdzrYbm

 

 

 

 

Methinks all this writing will become a book? I can see Jill writing books in her future.

[GEML]

I'm a writer, and I'm not seeing it. I think we all realize there was a ghost writer for all the books - the vocabulary just isn't there (although the market definitely is) and Derrick isn't a word guy, he's a number's guy. It made a certain amount of sense to do a combined book of the daughters, and I can see something combined like that in the future. But Jill alone? Even with a ghost writer, that's hard to pull off, I think.

[BitterApple]

I agree on the gender reveal parties. I'm happy for anyone who's having a baby, but that sort of thing is like bamboo shoots up the nails to me. It's probably awful to say, but I just don't get that excited over babies.

 

I'm sure Jill will do something over the top because she's the first woman on the planet to give birth and her kid is so much more special than the thousands born every day (insert eye roll).

[GEML]

Count me in as too old for the gender reveal parties. My daughter is the same age as Josh and Anna's Michael and just the idea of a pink and blue cake is a little nauseating, let alone hiring airplane or being told in church.

So of course Jill is going to want something.

And you kids get off my lawn, too!!!!

[Mrsjumbo]

Well if Jill likes to browse Pinterest, I'm sure she's gathering lots of ideas for a gender reveal party <snicker>.

[Ljohnson1987]

This is the fourth Duggar grandchild. This charade is going to get old real quick,

[jcbrown]

Sorry to be pedantic but this is driving me a bit nuts. What the Duggars do, even though they can't stand to say the word, is a party to reveal the sex of the baby, not the gender.

[BitterApple]

Sorry to be pedantic but this is driving me a bit nuts. What the Duggars do, even though they can't stand to say the word, is a party to reveal the sex of the baby, not the gender.

Ah, good point. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. 

[SmallTownMom]

My daughter recently announced the sex of her second child in a very cute way.  We had them over for dinner, and she brought cake pops for dessert.  She had tinted the cake and when we bit into them, we saw they were pink!!!  Granddaughter #2!

 

However, it was IMMEDIATE family.  Not on the Today Show, in the sky, or in a church where nobody even knew them.

 

It was fun and sweet, and like I said, immediate family.

 

But then the Duggars can't do anything low key.  Did you know that they have 19 kids?

[WTFFF]

I've always assumed they've said "gender" instead of "sex" because they can't bring themselves to say the word "sex."

[Dejana]

It's not like the Duggars are alone in referring to the sex of a child as its gender. I've never heard of them being called "sex reveal parties"...not to agree with that sort of squeamishness, but it's not strictly some weird Duggarism/Gothard thing like working out in jeans.

[alt0233]

I had a friend who recently had a gender reveal party (college educated, atheist couple, where she plans on continuing to work after the baby is born) and at the party we were all making the joke that it's actually a sex reveal party because we won't know the baby's gender until s/he chooses to express it him/herself. But it was still called a gender reveal party. It's kind of like the word 'literally' - people have used it incorrectly for so long that it's definition - if it hasn't changed already - will soon.

I swear, when I found out that literally was not officially being defined to mean literally AND 'not literally' it made me literally want to throw things. I threw a pillow at the TV I was so upset. Expect a similar announcement soon for gender.

[Fosca]

As a teacher of psychology, I include the difference between "sex" and "gender" in lecture, although my students still use the terms improperly.  I think we in the US only associate "sex" with the action--"sex" as a verb and not the noun.  I know when I use "sex" the noun in class, I still get blushes and giggling from students.  Part of our Puritanical heritage, I suspect.

[Jynnan tonnix]

plus, "sex reveal" sort of makes me picture a flasher...

 

[Joe Jitsu913]

Did you know that they have 19 kids?

...and Michelle delivered every one of them!