Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, crazy8s said:

John is CEO of Natural State Environmental Services.

Sounds like a good name for a septic company.

[crazy8s]

7 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Sounds like a good name for a septic company.

I can find no description of what they actually do or any business page to hire them or anything. James also has his J and J environmental services business. Same thing, no business website to hire them for whatever. James seems to dig septic fields and he has posted of trenching and laying culverts on job sites.

 

[AstridM]

26 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Sounds like a good name for a septic company.

Now that business would actually be useful to the community!

[BetyBee]

Jill and Derick are interviewed on a podcast about cults, called Trust Me. I'm listening now. It's an interesting interview. 

https://www.trustmepod.com/podcast/episode/423c8ad8/jill-duggar-dillard-and-derick-dillard

[auntieminem]

Jill and Derick did an interview where they talk about mending the relationship with JB. Jill quotes advice from Jeremy.

Quote

“My brother-in-law, Jeremy had a really good point: ‘You can’t expect the bully on the playground to change overnight, and what you’re asking here is to just send somebody back onto the playground with a bully.’ And while it’s nice in theory to say, ‘Hey, can’t we just all apologize and get along?,’ the behavior has to change before you’re just going to send a little girl back out on the playground with somebody who’s just going to do the same thing over again.”

 I have to agree with him. I imagine JB will not be happy being compared to a playground bully.  

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, auntieminem said:

Jill and Derick did an interview where they talk about mending the relationship with JB. Jill quotes advice from Jeremy.

 I have to agree with him. I imagine JB will not be happy being compared to a playground bully.  

That's the wisest observation Jeremy has ever made. It also gives insight into his own feelings about his FIL. 

[LilJen]

2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

That's the wisest observation Jeremy has ever made. It also gives insight into his own feelings about his FIL. 

Conveniently, it also allows Jeremy to commend himself for only bullying Jinger in ways that include telling her what her opinions are, what she likes, and giving her simple tasks like feeding and watering him when she's barely postpartum.

[awaken]

21 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I wonder if she went back to nursing because they needed money. She had to give it up just because she was getting married. She now has 2 small kids. I would think that now would be the time to stay at home.

(And yes, I know mothers have jobs in the real world, but in that doesn’t happen in fundieland.)

Abbie went back to working as a nurse?

[Salacious Kitty]

17 minutes ago, awaken said:

Abbie went back to working as a nurse?

There was chatter that she was in attendance when the last Duggar grandbaby was born. A picture surfaced with a curly haired nurse in the background. But I don't recall if her face could be seen. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

Jill is striking while the iron is hot. Still promoting her book and shilling away. Once again though she is using her kids to shill. In this case she used Freddy (& Derick) to shill a kids book.

[auntieminem]

17 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

There was chatter that she was in attendance when the last Duggar grandbaby was born. A picture surfaced with a curly haired nurse in the background. But I don't recall if her face could be seen. 

Moving my response to the JD/Abbie thread.

Edited October 27, 2023 by auntieminem

[Stevie Nicks]

The second pic is just her book,so I didn't include it. 

[GeeGolly]

You can take the Duggar out of the family, but you can't take all things Duggar out of Jill. This post was accompanied by many clips of the kids and J&D hitting up half a dozen restaurants for freebies.

[auntieminem]

It is funny how many finger waging responses there are about celebrating the devil's holiday.  I was noting that on Jinger's thread as well. But they had both had more supporters. Wonder if they are the only two families that do any kind of Halloween fun.  I posted about Jason's Halloween in the Lonely Js. 

[Angeltoes]

She knows who Cousin Eddie is?!  That one surprises me.

[anna0852]

2 hours ago, Angeltoes said:

She knows who Cousin Eddie is?!  That one surprises me.

I will be super proud of her if she knows who Cousin Eddie is.

[xwordfanatik]

16 hours ago, anna0852 said:

I will be super proud of her if she knows who Cousin Eddie is.

OK, I'll ask:  who IS Cousin Eddie?  

[Ohiopirate02]

22 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

OK, I'll ask:  who IS Cousin Eddie?  

A character in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation

[xwordfanatik]

25 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

A character in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation

Thanks.  I must have missed the movie.  I'll have to watch it!

[Ohiopirate02]

28 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

Thanks.  I must have missed the movie.  I'll have to watch it!

He's in a few of the Vacation movies--the original Vacation, and Vegas Vacation.  But, his Christmas role is the iconic one, and the one I assume Derick dressed as on Tuesday..  I have no desire to look it up.  All that costume requires is the hat and a bathrobe.  I prefer Cousin Eddie's other costumes from Christmas Vacation--the green dickie under his white V-neck sweater always cracks me up.  So does is blue leisure suit with butterfly shirt.  

[anna0852]

Christmas Vacation is a deeply secular movie. If Jill is aware enough to even recognize Cousin Eddie, then she’s definitely getting more and more exposure to the wider world.

[GeeGolly]

Derick was Cousin Eddie, so I'm guessing he just told Jill about him. I'm also guessing Derick dressed as him hoping JB would find out.

In other news, Jill might want to check the calendar. 👀📅🤣

[Ohiopirate02]

33 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

Christmas Vacation is a deeply secular movie. If Jill is aware enough to even recognize Cousin Eddie, then she’s definitely getting more and more exposure to the wider world.

Jill has been with Derick for the better part of a decade.  I'm sure he has shown her all his favorite movies and TV shows on the laptop cuddled up together on the couch.  I'm sure he's also stopped and explained all the finer points.  

I do wonder if the Dillards ever got around in their new house to set up a real TV for family movie night.  Or are they still using the old laptop.

[Salacious Kitty]

17 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Jill has been with Derick for the better part of a decade.  I'm sure he has shown her all his favorite movies and TV shows on the laptop cuddled up together on the couch.  I'm sure he's also stopped and explained all the finer points.  

I do wonder if the Dillards ever got around in their new house to set up a real TV for family movie night.  Or are they still using the old laptop.

They have a large TV. 

[Ohiopirate02]

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

They have a large TV. 

Thanks.  I'll confess to not keeping up on all the details with the various Duggars.  But, the Dillards' watching movies on a laptop and not a TV will live in my head for awhile.  I honestly do not get choosing to watch stuff on a laptop when TVs are cheap and smart, so are projectors if you must eschew a TV for reasons.  

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

He's in a few of the Vacation movies--the original Vacation, and Vegas Vacation.  But, his Christmas role is the iconic one, and the one I assume Derick dressed as on Tuesday..  I have no desire to look it up.  All that costume requires is the hat and a bathrobe.  I prefer Cousin Eddie's other costumes from Christmas Vacation--the green dickie under his white V-neck sweater always cracks me up.  So does is blue leisure suit with butterfly shirt.  

To this day, if you mention the words "leisure suit" to me, my brother, or our dad, we automatically respond with the description of Cousin Eddie from the movie. "The man was wearing a blue leisure suit, and the plates were from Kansas. He was a huge, beastly, bulging man." LOLOL 

[ginger90]

Screenshot from a reel:

[Ohiopirate02]

8 minutes ago, Zella said:

To this day, if you mention the words "leisure suit" to me, my brother, or our dad, we automatically respond with the description of Cousin Eddie from the movie. "The man was wearing a blue leisure suit, and the plates were from Kansas. He was a huge, beastly, bulging man." LOLOL 

Her delivery of that line just makes it.  She makes wearing a blue leisure suit seem just as heinous as kidnapping.  

[Jynnan tonnix]

On 11/2/2023 at 4:06 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

Thanks.  I'll confess to not keeping up on all the details with the various Duggars.  But, the Dillards' watching movies on a laptop and not a TV will live in my head for awhile.  I honestly do not get choosing to watch stuff on a laptop when TVs are cheap and smart, so are projectors if you must eschew a TV for reasons.  

It might just be force of habit. We have three TVs in the house, but none of them is in the master bedroom, and my TV watching tends to mainly involve things on YouTube after I settle down in the evening or before I get up, so I use my laptop and earphones. I don't think I've watched anything on the TV in many months.

[Notabug]

40 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

It might just be force of habit. We have three TVs in the house, but none of them is in the master bedroom, and my TV watching tends to mainly involve things on YouTube after I settle down in the evening or before I get up, so I use my laptop and earphones. I don't think I've watched anything on the TV in many months.

I think that's pretty common for  a lot of people when they're watching something alone.  In the Dillard's case, it was Derrick, Jill, Israel and Sam all huddled around a single laptop watching a movie.

[Absolom]

After the last kid left, I moved one of the three TVs into my room.  It's great for falling asleep when sick.  I think all but one of the Dillards would get neck strain trying to regularly watch TV on a laptop.  One person is doable while four is a pain in the neck.  :)  

[FizzyPuff]

I’m currently reading her book Counting the Cost and Jill admits here that she told Derrick about the abuse before they were engaged. I’m glad he knew and didn’t find out when the rest of the world did.

[GeeGolly]

Poor Jill. I find it extremely gross that tabloids pull this shit. Do none of them have sisters, mothers and/or daughters? Do any of them have one iota of empathy? Everyone involved in publishing this story are complete assholes to think retraumatizing the sisters was worth taking down the Duggars and of course bringing in the money.

[MaryAnneSpier]

I just read Jill's book this week, and the one thing that was interesting to me that I didn't see discussed when the book first came out is that JB wasn't going to pay for the girls' lawsuit against the county officials and the tabloid (the one that Josh tried to get in on too)... JB said he could loan the girls the money, but he wouldn't pay for it outright. In the long run, they found an LA-based law firm through a connection Jeremy had who agreed to do it on contingency. 

Now, how many hundreds of thousands of dollars do you suppose JB has spent over the years, out of the collective family fund, to keep Josh out of trouble? Jill doesn't really dwell on this point in her book at all, but reading that made me see red. 

Edited to add: this is discussed on page 160 of the hardcover book. I don't know if ebook versions are the same or not. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by MaryAnneSpier

[floridamom]

What a jerk/ cheap a**hole JB is. He put his daughters in these situations in the first place...then drops the ball of responsiblity for them. I feel badly for these girls.

[auntieminem]

Jill is cooking and Freddy is "helping".  She talks about her mother was great letting the kids help in the kitchen.  I am sure there were some fond memories of helping but at some point it was more they had to cook for the family.   https://www.instagram.com/p/CzmV3V7RAoD/

[floridamom]

I am quite certain that Michelle's "loving the kids help in the kitchen" was her method to use them more and more; then hand off the entire cooking responsibilities over to them, which we all know that she did. Sly of her, really.

[KeyLime]

Mods, if this isn’t allowed, please let me know. 

Today Jill posted a link in her Instagram stories for a podcast she and Derick recently recorded.  (Ask Dr Julie Hanks…I wasn’t familiar with it).

I listened to it and most of it was retelling stories from the book.  Except for one fact I don’t recall hearing before.  Derick shared that he had kissed other women before “courting” Jill.  (I read the forum more consistently at that time, I think most of us assumed that to be the case.) But Derick also shared on the podcast that Jim Bob made him call all of those women to apologize.  He said he got some “interesting” responses from the women.  Than they quickly moved on to another topic.  

[Salacious Kitty]

Apologize for what? Soiling their "purity?" 

JB is an asshole. Just another form of control from a time when Derick was vulnerable. 

[auntieminem]

I had not heard that story before. My first thought was did he ask Jeremy to call the women he kissed and apologize. If so I doubt Jeremy complied. 

[Absolom]

There is a time to smile, nod, and take the advice "under advisement."  Jim Bob apparently brought a lot of those moments.

If asked if the task is completed, an honest response is I'm done with that. (Yep, I was done with it when you mentioned it.)  

Edited November 15, 2023 by Absolom

[Trillium]

When I was a freshman in HS I dated this guy who was a senior in my church youth group, who was pretty fundie, and terrible in a lot of ways, but we’d make out a lot. He left for a Christian college and I basically never saw him again. 
 

Several years later, well after I was married and had moved away, fundie guy calls my dad to apologize to him for not respecting my purity (thankfully my dad stayed far away from purity culture b.s.) and wanted my dad to talk me into calling him back. My dad did tell me he called but we both found it super creepy, and no I absolutely did not call back. 

Purity culture is fucked up. Get over yourselves guys. We aren’t all damaged and upset because we made out in your parent’s basement watching Twister in 1995. The damage is acting like it was wrong and blaming us with the boobs for your lack of self control.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Trillium

[AstridM]

1 minute ago, Trillium said:

When I was a freshman in HS I dated this guy who was a senior in my church youth group, who was pretty fundie, and terrible in a lot of ways, but we’d make out a lot. He left for a Christian college and I basically never saw him again. 
 

Several years later, we’ll after I was married and had moved away, fundie guy calls my dad to apologize to him for not respecting my purity (thankfully my dad stayed far away from purity culture b.s.) and wanted my dad to talk me into calling him back. My dad did tell me he called but we both found it super creepy, and no I absolutely did not call back. 

Purity culture is fucked up. Get over yourselves guys. We aren’t all damaged and upset because we made out in your parent’s basement watching Twister in 1995. The damage is acting like it was wrong and blaming us with the boobs for your lack of self control.

And also treating women and girls as if they don’t have any agency of their own. They took part in the kissing just as willingly as the boys, I assume. 

[floridamom]

I can't believe that Derick called those women....didn't he see any red flags about this and the other courting rituals?

[AstridM]

Did JB make Michelle call all of the boys she kissed before she met him?

[oliviabenson]

5 hours ago, AstridM said:

Did JB make Michelle call all of the boys she kissed before she met him?

No she just went over to their house and mowed their lawn in a bikini. Look guys what you missed out on!

[GeeGolly]

Fundy men are fucked up assholes.

[mythoughtis]

On 11/15/2023 at 7:41 AM, floridamom said:

I can't believe that Derick called those women....didn't he see any red flags about this and the other courting rituals?

In all fairness, he barely had time to blink between Jill coming to Nepal and the wedding.  I’m sure he thought some of it was made up for TV.  And got a rude awakening when JBs rules continued after the wedding. 
 

I am not surprised that Derick had actual girlfriends before  Jill.   I remember the scene during the Nepal trip where the three of them are walking, Jill in the middle.  Derick placed  his hand on Jill’s back and JB yanked Jill away and over to his other side.  
Derick’s mom flew to Nepal when Derick was coming home.  She commented on how annoyed she was by the group text nonsense that JB required.  It was obvious that the Dillards didn’t have courtship rules 
 

 

[Salacious Kitty]

Cathy is pondscum, but she at least trusted her sons to go off to college and date normally. 

[Madtown]

So was JB standing next to Derick when he made these calls? If not, I would've told him I made them, but never wouldn't. I know, lying would be wrong in Derick's eyes, but I think it would've been just fine, in this situation.