Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Laura Holt]

35 minutes ago, lianau said:

The guy went to law school just to one up his wife's father and most of his beef seems to be centered around money, not religious teachings.

I don't know enough about Derick to say why he went to law school but I've got two nieces in law school right now and it's challenging (to say the least).  He may or may not have decided to go to law school to one up his father-in-law but staying in school, graduating, and passing the bar are things I think he needs to get credit for.

Edited October 1, 2023 by Laura Holt

[monkeypox]

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Jill and Jinger are being very wise not to depend on the future inheritance. Partly because JimBob isn't exactly 90 and teetering on the brink but mainly because as you say I would wonder how much money that would actually amount to in the fullness of time.  He may be a shrewd investor sitting on millions - maybe - but even so split 19 ways it still isn't going to amount to an inheritance that would keep any of them on easy street. 

Plus, if MEEEchelle dies at any time before JimBob, he's fathering as many more kids as he can. If God smites her dead tomorrow, JimBob has plenty of time to produce more spawn. They won't be fighting over 1/91th of an inheritance, more like 1/40th. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Well, that won't concern Jill. She was likely written out of the trust the moment her book was announced. 

[monkeypox]

Exactly. I think Jill/Derick made the right choice, for so many reasons.

Edited October 1, 2023 by monkeypox

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, monkeypox said:

Exactly. I think Jill/Derick made the right choice, for so many reasons.

I just imagine Boob popping veins on hearing her news. 😂

[cmr2014]

1 hour ago, lianau said:

I've  just seen Derick described as a slightly nicer version of JB and I think  it really pointed out my problems with the  current Jill and Derick dynamic . How much of this is Jill driving it  and how much of it  is Derick trying to get one over JB , knowing that Free Jinger  Jill is a thing and would get him support? The guy went to law school just to one up his wife's father and most of his beef seems to be centered around money, not religious teachings.  He's on the book cover , sitting in interviews of what's supposed to be Jill's story. I just  hope Jill isn't exchanging one  personal cult leader for another one. 

I think it's a stretch to say that Derick went to law school to one-up JB, but I know nothing of his motivations, so this could be the case.

Personally, I think that Derick was a vulnerable young man who was looking for purpose and meaning in his life when he met JB (that's what cults are looking for, after all, is vulnerable young people who can be molded into compliant cult members).

I think that Derick got a rude awakening after he returned to the US and married Jill. He thought that the Duggars were a big, warm, loving family who devoted themselves to Jesus. Instead, he found that JB and J'chelle were completely disengaged, the children in the family were largely feral, and their "religion" was largely devoted to legalism and control and had very little to do with Jesus.

I think that they largely drifted for a couple of years, but they seem to have gotten back on track a few years ago. My guess is that there was someone in the program that Derick took part in when they returned from DA that got him straightened out. Someone was able to make him see that missionary work wasn't right for him, and got him pointed toward law school. That's just a guess, though. I do think it's a lot of work and money to spend three years in law school and take the bar twice tow own JB.

[MaryAnneSpier]

5 hours ago, lianau said:

I've  just seen Derick described as a slightly nicer version of JB and I think  it really pointed out my problems with the  current Jill and Derick dynamic . How much of this is Jill driving it  and how much of it  is Derick trying to get one over JB , knowing that Free Jinger  Jill is a thing and would get him support? The guy went to law school just to one up his wife's father and most of his beef seems to be centered around money, not religious teachings.  He's on the book cover , sitting in interviews of what's supposed to be Jill's story. I just  hope Jill isn't exchanging one  personal cult leader for another one. 

I don't entirely mind having Derick in interviews and the book cover because I do feel he's been supportive of Jill's personal growth. If she'd married someone more controlling who fully wanted a meek, unthinking, simpering wife, she wouldn't be where she is today. I think Derick enjoys the school structure (which I totally understand because I'd be a full-time student forever if I had the money to do so). Since their missionary/ministry plans fell through, he furthered his education to provide for his family, possibly to understand financial law, and even potentially fight for laws protecting minors who bring in family income from TV shows/YouTube channels. 

Jinger on the other hand, I do feel traded in one cult for another when she married Jeremy and moved to CA and MacArthur's church.

[sixlets]

JB&M are in their late 50s.  As each year passes, there are more opportunities for JB to spend the money that is supposedly being set aside for when they're gone.  It also gives the kids more opportunities to break free and tell their own stories.  Come out against Gothard/IBLP/JB, and JB will come up with a reason to spend the money.  Jinger took a different tact & made her story more about Gothard.  Jill said screw it & made her story more about her parents.  Regardless of how you feel about Jill, it's pretty obvious this is her giant FU moment to JB&M, and they deserve everything they have coming.   

[Salacious Kitty]

25 minutes ago, sixlets said:

JB&M are in their late 50s.  As each year passes, there are more opportunities for JB to spend the money that is supposedly being set aside for when they're gone.  It also gives the kids more opportunities to break free and tell their own stories.  Come out against Gothard/IBLP/JB, and JB will come up with a reason to spend the money.  Jinger took a different tact & made her story more about Gothard.  Jill said screw it & made her story more about her parents.  Regardless of how you feel about Jill, it's pretty obvious this is her giant FU moment to JB&M, and they deserve everything they have coming.   

I felt Meech was let off too easily. Jill laid the blame for everything squarely on JB's shoulders. 

[MaryAnneSpier]

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I felt Meech was let off too easily. Jill laid the blame for everything squarely on JB's shoulders. 

Because he is the headship.  That’s supposedly part of the burden of being a leader; you reap the benefits and get credit for when things go well, but are responsible for consequences your decisions as leader caused.  That’s theoretically how it’s supposed to work.  Michelle was JB’s helpmeet, a supportive person to help JB accomplish his goals and implement his plans for the family.  

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Because he is the headship.  That’s supposedly part of the burden of being a leader; you reap the benefits and get credit for when things go well, but are responsible for consequences your decisions as leader caused.  That’s theoretically how it’s supposed to work.  Michelle was JB’s helpmeet, a supportive person to help JB accomplish his goals and implement his plans for the family.  

You are absolutely correct. But we know that Michelle has more power in that household than the regular fundie helpmeet ( not named Jill Rodrigues).

[woodscommaelle]

7 hours ago, monkeypox said:

Plus, if MEEEchelle dies at any time before JimBob, he's fathering as many more kids as he can. 

Who would want him?

[Salacious Kitty]

31 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

Who would want him?

Some young godly girl raised in the IBLP may not have a choice. I can see Boob brokering a deal with some poor girl's father.

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

You are absolutely correct. But we know that Michelle has more power in that household than the regular fundie helpmeet ( not named Jill Rodrigues).

Yeah, I wish Jill and really all the siblings would see that Michelle's just as responsible as JB. She was happy to use her daughters to do all the stuff she should have been doing. She was part of the Megyn interview denying downplaying what Josh did while insisting they did everything correct. She is just as terrible as JB.

[GeeGolly]

I wouldn't go as far as saying Jinger traded cults. It looks to me Jinger's LA Grace church community believes very much the same thing as the Dillard's AR Cross church community. I also believe members of both churches are free to cherry pick beliefs much like the Catholic community.

I think the sisters are likely in the same place. They both took baby steps away from their family culture and Gothard indoctrination. Their motivations were different which shows in their books. Jinger said from the beginning her book wasn't a tell-all and Jill's is. It seems to me Jinger's book reflects a spiritual journey and Jill's exposes unhealthy family dynamics and drama. The books were written for two different audiences - Jinger's, for the spiritually confused and Jill's, for Duggar haters.

I think both Jill and Jinger have a long way to go to 'break free' from all they went through. I would argue Jill is not ahead of Jinger in this game and neither Derick nor Jeremy are heroes.

[satrunrose]

I don't think there are any absolute heroes or villains in the Duggar story (with the very possible exceptions of JB and Gothard in the villain roles). 

Michelle: Her religion literally teaches that if she started having a headache every night post baby #5 or sided with the kids against JB that she could be attacked by Satan in this world and the next. On the other hand, Gothardism never said she had to let the kids grow up feral/sister momed because their mother "didn't have a heart for children". Like-wise, I don't think it was JB who was keeping a public calendar to track prime baby-making season. 

Jeremy: Seems loving and supportive towards Jinger. Was the first to start tiptoeing away from the Duggar insanity. On the other hand, he's openly anti-social justice, he's totally tied into a church that is fervently against women in authority, he wanted a meek wife, he talks over Jinger and doesn't seem to value her opinions, he only seems to value her for her looks and occasional cooking ability, is about as deep as a puddle no matter how much he preaches. 

Derrick: He supports Jill. They do seem to love each other. He seems less attached to the whole headship vibe than a lot of his in-laws (I'm including Jeremy, Austin, Jed! and Anna in this). More progressive than Jill in some ways (evolution). His support helped to get Jill compensated for the fact that her parents made a lot of money from selling her childhood. He's not gaslighting her about the abuse she suffered. If that excerpt from the book is too be believed, he took Jill's cues and let her handle a really tough conversation with her dad independently (and honestly, I do give Derrick a fair bit of credit for this. Independence is not a word that can be applied to a single Duggar except for Jill, IMO). On the other hand: He attacked a teenaged girl and loving parents of young children on social media and there's no indication, including in Jill's book, that he has any misgivings about that. We know, at least at some points, that dubious elements of Duggar parenting have been copied by the Dillards. We don't know where the needle lies between Jill needing to write this book to heal and Derrick wanting to write this book for $$$. 

[GeeGolly]

IMO, both Jeremy and Derick likely treat their wives well. To me the difference is Jill and more so Derick try very hard to control the narrative. They very much care what is written about them and try to combat that. The Vuolos, who likely read the same stuff, don't come back with explanations to defend themselves.

I'm certain Jeremy would never be believed if he explained the word meek in a different context than a negative one. And I, for one, will not give Derick the benefit of the doubt after he has publicly told many conflicting versions of the same story.

But again, neither Jill or Jinger have given any indication they are less than happy in their marriages.

[AstridM]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I wouldn't go as far as saying Jinger traded cults. It looks to me Jinger's LA Grace church community believes very much the same thing as the Dillard's AR Cross church community. I also believe members of both churches are free to cherry pick beliefs much like the Catholic community.

I think the sisters are likely in the same place. They both took baby steps away from their family culture and Gothard indoctrination. Their motivations were different which shows in their books. Jinger said from the beginning her book wasn't a tell-all and Jill's is. It seems to me Jinger's book reflects a spiritual journey and Jill's exposes unhealthy family dynamics and drama. The books were written for two different audiences - Jinger's, for the spiritually confused and Jill's, for Duggar haters.

I think both Jill and Jinger have a long way to go to 'break free' from all they went through. I would argue Jill is not ahead of Jinger in this game and neither Derick nor Jeremy are heroes.

Neither are heroes, certainly, but you should look deeper into the rot that is Mcarthur. 🤷‍♀️

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, AstridM said:

Neither are heroes, certainly, but you should look deeper into the rot that is Mcarthur. 🤷‍♀️

For sure. The same can be said for Cross Church.

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

For sure. The same can be said for Cross Church.

Not nearly as bad, from what I’ve read. Do they still attend Cross Church?

[ginger90]

2 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Not nearly as bad, from what I’ve read. Do they still attend Cross Church?

They attend First Baptist Church Siloam Springs.

[sagittarius sue]

57 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Not nearly as bad, from what I’ve read. Do they still attend Cross Church?

Other churches, unlike Grace, don't have documented cases of abused women being told they have to live with their abusive husbands and being forced out of the church if they choose to leave or divorce their husbands. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

They attend First Baptist Church Siloam Springs.

I haven't been able to ascertain whether the new church is also Southern Baptist as Cross Church is. Anyone?

[Absolom]

48 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

Other churches, unlike Grace, don't have documented cases of abused women being told they have to live with their abusive husbands and being forced out of the church if they choose to leave or divorce their husbands. 

You might be shocked at how often pressure is brought to bear on the women to stay and how they are basically shunned and voluntarily leave churches.  The only reason my neighbor's daughter wasn't put in a bind was that the pastor ended up asking her husband to leave the church because he threatened the pastor not because he was abusive to his wife or kids.

[GeeGolly]

I don't think there is an organized religion free of misdoings. Starting with misogyny up to sexual assaults and everything in between. The issue with independent churches is they have little to no oversight, so much of what goes on doesn't spread far past the congregation.

There is a certain population of folks who want the 1950s to come back, they're everywhere and yes many hold Bibles.

And whether one church is 'worse' than another doesn't mean every member believes and behaves the same way. I'm sure there are plenty of conservative Christians who are secretly pro-choice and/or pro basic human rights.

My point with Jill and Jinger is although they have taken baby steps away from their family and Gothard, I see nothing to make me think Jill is farther along in this journey than Jinger.

[MaryAnneSpier]

7 hours ago, satrunrose said:

I don't think there are any absolute heroes or villains in the Duggar story (with the very possible exceptions of JB and Gothard in the villain roles). 

Michelle: Her religion literally teaches that if she started having a headache every night post baby #5 or sided with the kids against JB that she could be attacked by Satan in this world and the next. On the other hand, Gothardism never said she had to let the kids grow up feral/sister momed because their mother "didn't have a heart for children". Like-wise, I don't think it was JB who was keeping a public calendar to track prime baby-making season. 

Jeremy: Seems loving and supportive towards Jinger. Was the first to start tiptoeing away from the Duggar insanity. On the other hand, he's openly anti-social justice, he's totally tied into a church that is fervently against women in authority, he wanted a meek wife, he talks over Jinger and doesn't seem to value her opinions, he only seems to value her for her looks and occasional cooking ability, is about as deep as a puddle no matter how much he preaches. 

Derrick: He supports Jill. They do seem to love each other. He seems less attached to the whole headship vibe than a lot of his in-laws (I'm including Jeremy, Austin, Jed! and Anna in this). More progressive than Jill in some ways (evolution). His support helped to get Jill compensated for the fact that her parents made a lot of money from selling her childhood. He's not gaslighting her about the abuse she suffered. If that excerpt from the book is too be believed, he took Jill's cues and let her handle a really tough conversation with her dad independently (and honestly, I do give Derrick a fair bit of credit for this. Independence is not a word that can be applied to a single Duggar except for Jill, IMO). On the other hand: He attacked a teenaged girl and loving parents of young children on social media and there's no indication, including in Jill's book, that he has any misgivings about that. We know, at least at some points, that dubious elements of Duggar parenting have been copied by the Dillards. We don't know where the needle lies between Jill needing to write this book to heal and Derrick wanting to write this book for $$$. 

Taking reply to Duggalos thread

[Natalie68]

On 10/1/2023 at 8:31 AM, Laura Holt said:

Jill and Jinger are being very wise not to depend on the future inheritance. Partly because JimBob isn't exactly 90 and teetering on the brink but mainly because as you say I would wonder how much money that would actually amount to in the fullness of time.  He may be a shrewd investor sitting on millions - maybe - but even so split 19 ways it still isn't going to amount to an inheritance that would keep any of them on easy street.   

Or maybe there actually won't be an inheritance for the kids.  I think he TELLS them there will be to keep the desperate in line but I think there will be bupkis.

[ozziemom]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Or maybe there actually won't be an inheritance for the kids.  I think he TELLS them there will be to keep the desperate in line but I think there will be bupkis.

I think Boob is using the inheritance as one more thing used to hold control over his family. But by the time he and Meechelle both pass, there will be far too many mouths he’s had to feed for many years for there to be much left. 

[Natalie68]

34 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

I think Boob is using the inheritance as one more thing used to hold control over his family. But by the time he and Meechelle both pass, there will be far too many mouths he’s had to feed for many years for there to be much left. 

There will be some old Rodriguii tracts, packets of Chick Fil A salt , a ratty teasing comb and a chiclet left after they pass.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, ozziemom said:

I think Boob is using the inheritance as one more thing used to hold control over his family. But by the time he and Meechelle both pass, there will be far too many mouths he’s had to feed for many years for there to be much left. 

I imagine some are pissed that all this money went down the drain trying to defend the FF. I think Boob is only feeding Anna and her kids, plus whatever adult males still eat at home, in addition to the minor girls. 

@Scarlett45 @deaja That reminds me, Hannie's 18th birthday is in a few days, the 11th according to fundie wiki. Needs to be moved over to the Lonely J's. 😀

Edited October 4, 2023 by Salacious Kitty
Added the mods

[AgathaC]

17 hours ago, ozziemom said:

I think Boob is using the inheritance as one more thing used to hold control over his family. But by the time he and Meechelle both pass, there will be far too many mouths he’s had to feed for many years for there to be much left. 

Reminds me of a family in my home town. They owned a very successful lumber business. For a couple of generations, things were great. But by the time generation 3 (the group my dad’s age) took over, there were way too many people trying to live off the business. The boys in the family had all been brought up and educated for that particular business. It went under and they all had to try to figure out new careers. Independence and diversity are good things. Eventually, money and incomes will have to stretch way too far to be practical.

[lascuba]

 

21 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Or maybe there actually won't be an inheritance for the kids.  I think he TELLS them there will be to keep the desperate in line but I think there will be bupkis.

Is it normal for people to be swayed by this? I'm genuinely asking, because I don't come from a family where many people can hope to inherent anything valuable. We're not talking billions or even multi-millions...it would make sense for children from such families to "keep sweet" knowing they stand to inherent so much that their grandchildren won't have to work. But for people who would still have to work in some capacity if they inherent 1/19 of JB's wealth, can that really have much of a hold on anyone who would otherwise want to leave?

 

[CalicoKitty]

The kids are brainwashed to believe anything the "umbrella" says.  Gothard portrayed this utopia where everyone was protected, even financially, and everyone would be fine if you didn't rock the boat.  JB has invested in land and buildings, so, maybe, each kid will inherit their own lot and house.  But I do not think they will be "set for life" the way they think they will.  And a Duggar "electrician" is probably not very employable in the real world.  Although, I hear ads for jobs for "experienced or inexperienced electricians" on the radio frequently.  It is too bad the kids were not trained at a certified trade school.  They would not want for good paying jobs.  But that would make the kids independent in their own thoughts and lives, and JB and Gothard couldn't have that happen.  Those kids and their families are really in for a shock, I'm afraid.

[Natalie68]

33 minutes ago, lascuba said:

 

Is it normal for people to be swayed by this? I'm genuinely asking, because I don't come from a family where many people can hope to inherent anything valuable. We're not talking billions or even multi-millions...it would make sense for children from such families to "keep sweet" knowing they stand to inherent so much that their grandchildren won't have to work. But for people who would still have to work in some capacity if they inherent 1/19 of JB's wealth, can that really have much of a hold on anyone who would otherwise want to leave?

 

I would think that if you have no $ of your own, no education, are scared of the real world and you have been promised an inheritance, yeah.  

[crazy8s]

17 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Is it normal for people to be swayed by this? I'm genuinely asking, because I don't come from a family where many people can hope to inherent anything valuable. We're not talking billions or even multi-millions...it would make sense for children from such families to "keep sweet" knowing they stand to inherent so much that their grandchildren won't have to work. But for people who would still have to work in some capacity if they inherent 1/19 of JB's wealth, can that really have much of a hold on anyone who would otherwise want to leave?

I don't think they are expecting to inherit enough that they won't have to work. I do expect they are conditioned to work on Duggar time and I would guess they would like that to continue into the future.

It seems Jill mentioned the money situation worked a bit different for the boys because they were expected to support a family.

Duggar enterprises seem to be moving along with the Bella Vista house building. Buy cheap lots at auction, Jason builds a house, Joe sells it for $400,000 or more. Jeer and Nathan Bates charging up to $22,000 for flight training, Jed selling cars, rvs and sheds to whatever suckers will by them. Several of the guys have contractor's, pilot's, CDL or Real Estate licenses.

Anna, Jana, Joe, Jeer, Jason and James all seem to live on the TTH property in various buildings. John and Jed live in houses owned by JB. Jessa's is owned by the church, no mater what she claims. So no house payments or property taxes for them to pay.

If we are projecting possible inheritance on just the money from the show, I would agree it would probably not sustain the masses of Duggars. But JB has had years and years of squirreling away money and finding tax loopholes. He still owns a lot of properties. Also, there might be some amount he inherited from Mary.
 

 

 

[AgathaC]

4 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I would think that if you have no $ of your own, no education, are scared of the real world and you have been promised an inheritance, yeah.  

Or if you’ve been trained to rely on it and never encouraged to be independent. There’s money in my family and my husband’s family, but we were both raised to work hard and support ourselves without counting on inheritance. Our retirement plan doesn’t include anything we might inherit so if we do get anything, it’ll just be a nice bonus. You never know what will happen to that family money you’re depending on. For instance, thousands upon thousands being thrown into the black hole that is your brother’s defense fund. On the other hand, I know a teen who’s being brought up in an environment of endless indulgence and not a lot of responsibility. He’s going to have a rude awakening when he realizes all those gifts his grandparents lavished on him were his inheritance and maybe he should have studied in school instead of constantly flirting with flunking out.

 

4 hours ago, crazy8s said:

I don't think they are expecting to inherit enough that they won't have to work. I do expect they are conditioned to work on Duggar time and I would guess they would like that to continue into the future.

 

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have no idea what reality will look like. I may very well be wrong, but it’s always seemed to me they’re trained to rely on ol’ Jim Boob. Do they really know what money there is? How to manage it? How to prop up their shady businesses? Maybe he has trained the boys in how to follow in his footsteps. But it all has the potential to crumble into a full-on shit show when JB and Meech shuffle on out.

[Absolom]

Jim Bob or Michelle could end up like my grandmother or my mother.  One spent over 10 years in various care facilities and the other required care in-home or a facility for almost twelve years.  Add to it my step-father had three years in a SNF.  Jim Bob could have a stroke and live, but require care for twenty years.  Although in that family it might serve him right if the uneducated kids decide they can take care of him Jill Rodrigues style.  

Edited October 6, 2023 by Absolom

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Jim Bob or Michelle could end up like my grandmother or my mother.  One spent over 10 years in various care facilities and the other required care in-home or a facility for almost twelve years.  Add to it my step-father had three years in a SNF.  Jim Bob could have a stroke and live, but require care for twenty years.  Although in that family it might serve him right if the uneducated kids decide they can take care of him Jill Rodrigues style.  

That scenario is where Karma's a Bitch couldn't be more apt. 

[CalicoKitty]

1 hour ago, AgathaC said:

Or if you’ve been trained to rely on it and never encouraged to be independent. There’s money in my family and my husband’s family, but we were both raised to work hard and support ourselves without counting on inheritance. Our retirement plan doesn’t include anything we might inherit so if we do get anything, it’ll just be a nice bonus. You never know what will happen to that family money you’re depending on. For instance, thousands upon thousands being thrown into the black hole that is your brother’s defense fund. On the other hand, I know a teen who’s being brought up in an environment of endless indulgence and not a lot of responsibility. He’s going to have a rude awakening when he realizes all those gifts his grandparents lavished on him were his inheritance and maybe he should have studied in school instead of constantly flirting with flunking out.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have no idea what reality will look like. I may very well be wrong, but it’s always seemed to me they’re trained to rely on ol’ Jim Boob. Do they really know what money there is? How to manage it? How to prop up their shady businesses? Maybe he has trained the boys in how to follow in his footsteps. But it all has the potential to crumble into a full-on shit show when JB and Meech shuffle on out.

Or, as happened with my dad, no one was overseeing his money, and as he aged he made some bad investments and lost a lot of money.  Luckily, someone stepped in before he invested any more.  But not everyone is fortunate enough to have a trusted person to oversee their money.  JB has a very high regard for himself, and I can see him making some bad investments as he gets older.  His "accountant" can make suggestions, but how his money is invested is his responsibility.  Enticing investments can go wrong very quickly.  I still say the kids are in for some bumpy times.

[ozziemom]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

Jim Bob or Michelle could end up like my grandmother or my mother.  One spent over 10 years in various care facilities and the other required care in-home or a facility for almost twelve years.  Add to it my step-father had three years in a SNF.  Jim Bob could have a stroke and live, but require care for twenty years.  Although in that family it might serve him right if the uneducated kids decide they can take care of him Jill Rodrigues style.  

My dream is for Madyson to push JB around in an office chair just like they did to Boob’s father. 

[satrunrose]

I'm willing to bet that at least Anna, Jessa, Jana, the Lost Girls and Jackson are still getting most, if not all of their expenses covered by Jim Bob. 

For JD, Joe, Josiah and the Howlers, they may be drawing a salary from their own branches of Duggar Inc. but given the financial shenanigans Jill describes, I wouldn't be at all shocked if the money they make still goes to JB and then gets doled out. I say this particularly for the Howlers whose jobs seem to be building stuff for JB and moving cars. 

As for the inheritance, I'm assuming there are a few possibilities in play.

1- These kids are probably not that financially literate (see the tax fast one JB tried to pull). They may not know that 1/18th of JB's net worth isn't set for life kind of money. 

2- A windfall's a windfall. JD, for example, might be willing to avoid making waves if the inheritance will let him upgrade the planes. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by satrunrose

[GeeGolly]

Personally, I think any parent who holds an inheritance over a kid's head is an asshole, so that tracks with JB.

Did Jill & Derick give any indication in the book whether they thought they were giving up substantial money by going against JB's wishes?

[GeeGolly]

I see Jill's book has dropped to #9 on the NYT bestsellers list. Props for remaining in the top 10 after 3 weeks.

I mention this because I read an article about author profits. This article was about an author who was 85th on the USA today top 150 bestsellers, so its kind of apples and oranges, but their contract apparently was fairly close to some better established authors.

The article, which is based on the author's TikTok stories, explains they received $10,000 minus $1000 agent fee when they signed on with the publisher, with the agreement of another $10,000 on the publish date. It took the author a year to write the *book and then another year working with an editor on rewrites, when they then received the second installment of $10,000 minus $1000 agent fee. The author says that is when the waiting game begins. They will not make money until the book sales reach $20,000. The author did the TikTok to show for many authors being a full-time writer is unrealistic as they made $18,000 for two years of work.

Now Jill's book is obviously extra income, but based on what I read I'm wondering how much the Dillards will actually make, as it seems they are just 2 newly written books away from being knock off the top ten. I get that being on the NYT top 10 means way more in sales than the author I mentioned, but how much do you all think the book will make?

*sorry old brain, can't remember the book title, but I think the author's first name is Sim or maybe Simmi.

[Dehumidifier]

12 hours ago, ozziemom said:

My dream is for Madyson to push JB around in an office chair just like they did to Boob’s father. 

Why didn't the man's wife, daughter or granddaughter get him a wheelchair?

Possibilities: a) he refused to use one. b) he had one but refused to be on camera in one. 

[Absolom]

I always wondered why they didn't have Grandpa Duggar on hospice who would have provided all the equipment at no charge to the Duggars.  Maybe he didn't want to be on camera in a wheelchair, but why did they put him on camera to begin with?  Just like the kids to put money in JB's pocket?

[Dehumidifier]

8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I always wondered why they didn't have Grandpa Duggar on hospice who would have provided all the equipment at no charge to the Duggars.  Maybe he didn't want to be on camera in a wheelchair, but why did they put him on camera to begin with?  Just like the kids to put money in JB's pocket?

Agree. Why didn't his wife stop it?

Edited October 6, 2023 by Dehumidifier

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Dehumidifier said:

Why didn't the man's wife, daughter or granddaughter get him a wheelchair?

Possibilities: a) he refused to use one. b) he had one but refused to be on camera in one. 

What about all of the man’s grandSONS?

[Salacious Kitty]

37 minutes ago, AstridM said:

What about all of the man’s grandSONS?

JL died in 2009, IIRC. Only a couple grandsons would have been of age. 

[lascuba]

13 hours ago, satrunrose said:

I'm willing to bet that at least Anna, Jessa, Jana, the Lost Girls and Jackson are still getting most, if not all of their expenses covered by Jim Bob. 

For JD, Joe, Josiah and the Howlers, they may be drawing a salary from their own branches of Duggar Inc. but given the financial shenanigans Jill describes, I wouldn't be at all shocked if the money they make still goes to JB and then gets doled out. I say this particularly for the Howlers whose jobs seem to be building stuff for JB and moving cards. 

 

I'd be really surprised if JB were covering expenses for the married adults. If he refused to do it for Jill and Derick when she was still the golden child, why would he do it now when the show isn't at stake and 2 of his kids already wrote books criticizing him/his belief system? Any money he doles out would be a pittance in exchange for whatever work they do for him.

 

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

JL died in 2009, IIRC. Only a couple grandsons would have been of age. 

Still, why push the responsibility onto women and girls?