Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Zella]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Will all that money, one would think they could afford better than Sears' professional photos. 😁

Haha so true! I'm glad they didn't, though. Confession: I have these pictures saved on my computer because they make me laugh so hard. I want that poor cat's story. 

[Normades]

Tammy Faye was actually a pretty good person after the whole scandal.  She embraced the LGBTQ community and did outreach to AIDS/HIV patients during the height of the epidemic.  She had her own mind and went outside of the beliefs of a lot of the evangelical community.  She was definitely entertaining, but seemed smart and compassionate, too.  I've always had a soft spot for her. 

[Ohiopirate02]

48 minutes ago, Normades said:

Tammy Faye was actually a pretty good person after the whole scandal.  She embraced the LGBTQ community and did outreach to AIDS/HIV patients during the height of the epidemic.  She had her own mind and went outside of the beliefs of a lot of the evangelical community.  She was definitely entertaining, but seemed smart and compassionate, too.  I've always had a soft spot for her. 

No Duggar could ever be Tammy Faye.  Not only was she an original, her compassion knew no bounds.  The woman judged no one.  I love a good trashy reality show, and Tammy Faye was on a season of The Surreal Life back in the day.  The producers threw her into a house with Ron Jeremy expecting her to go all judgmental on him for his porn star ways.  They even crafted a trip to a strip club.  Tammy Faye did not take their bait.  Her response was y'all go have fun, Imma gonna stay here.  Jill could never do that.

[libgirl2]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

No Duggar could ever be Tammy Faye.  Not only was she an original, her compassion knew no bounds.  The woman judged no one.  I love a good trashy reality show, and Tammy Faye was on a season of The Surreal Life back in the day.  The producers threw her into a house with Ron Jeremy expecting her to go all judgmental on him for his porn star ways.  They even crafted a trip to a strip club.  Tammy Faye did not take their bait.  Her response was y'all go have fun, Imma gonna stay here.  Jill could never do that.

I remember her sitting at a table just talking to him. He seemed to treat her with respect and vice versa. I didn't watch all of it but I know there weren't any big clashes they were hoping for. Imagine if it were a Duggar or Jill Rodrigues? 

14 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Don't forget Jay and Tammy Sue

I like Jay a lot! I read  three of his books (one was his biography). I follow him on FB. He is one of the good ones. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by libgirl2

[emmawoodhouse]

Derelict is practicing law at the U of A law clinic. I know this is common for 3L last semester.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkQ3ilL-H7/?igshid=1vd78krn3kws1

[leighdear]

I imagine Deertick is responsible for changing the water cooler jug & unfolding the chairs for new "clients".  Law clinics usually operate on a shoestring, so no frills. 

He might as well get used to the environment, because that's probably where he'll end up.  Serving notice on landlords and doing bail hearings.  Real life-changing law.  

Edited March 18, 2021 by leighdear

[Heathen]

37 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Derelict is practicing law at the U of A law clinic. I know this is common for 3L last semester.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkQ3ilL-H7/?igshid=1vd78krn3kws1

What the hell is on his head? 

[emmawoodhouse]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I didn't even notice. It looks like he gave himself a new combover. 

[Heathen]

7 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I didn't even notice. It looks like he gave himself a new combover. 

It looks like roadkill! He's giving Mullet a run for her money in the Worst Duggar Hairstyle category. 

[iwantcookies]

Dereck looks like a dork. He’d be better off with a man bun.

[Normades]

Good for Derrick!!  I'm glad he followed through on his education and is actually starting to work.  Much more than any other Duggar son or SIL. 

[kaleidoscope]

Just the fact that Derick values education makes me hopeful for the boys.

[libgirl2]

13 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

Just the fact that Derick values education makes me hopeful for the boys.

You know, we make fun but at least he is not living in a warehouse being supported by JB! The boys will hopefully have better chances than their cousins. 

[Heathen]

54 minutes ago, leighdear said:

I imagine Deertick is responsible for changing the water cooler jug & unfolding the chairs for new "clients".  Law clinics usually operate on a shoestring, so no frills. 

He might as well get used to the environment, because that's probably where he'll end up.  Serving notice on landlords and doing bail hearings.  Real life-changing law.  

He's still light years ahead of his in-laws, with the possible exception of John. Besides, people here swore Derick wouldn't make it through even one semester of law school, and he's about to graduate now.

 

[QuinnInND]

I'm all impressed! I thought he wouldn't make it as far as he has. 

[crazy8s]

5 minutes ago, Heathen said:

He's still light years ahead of his in-laws, with the possible exception of John. Besides, people here swore Derick wouldn't make it through even one semester of law school, and he's about to graduate now.

 

but will he actual do anything with the degree, like get a job? Remains to be seen. i hope he does and they have steady income. With that and Sam following Izzy on going to school they will have a life different from all other duggar siblings and spouses

[SMama]

18 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

You know, we make fun but at least he is not living in a warehouse being supported by JB! The boys will hopefully have better chances than their cousins. 

And he hasn’t fathered four kids and have them stuffed into a 2 bedroom house.

[libgirl2]

9 minutes ago, SMama said:

And he hasn’t fathered four kids and have them stuffed into a 2 bedroom house.

Exactly. 

[Normades]

33 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

The boys will hopefully have better chances than their cousins. 

They already have better chances and a better life.  They have outside friends and Izzy goes to school.  

[Tikichick]

41 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

Just the fact that Derick values education makes me hopeful for the boys.

 

27 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

You know, we make fun but at least he is not living in a warehouse being supported by JB! The boys will hopefully have better chances than their cousins. 

While I don't give up entirely on any of the Duggar offspring deciding to forge a better path, and I absolutely hope the young ones will, I do still hold out hope for the grandchildren and will take any and every scrap of light to lead them out of the nonsense.   Every time I think of Israel attending school in an actual classroom with a credentialed teacher I smile.   There's a possibility he will have the freedoms and the education and confidence to pursue his own path as he reaches adulthood.   I hope he makes great choices that bring him health, happiness and fulfillment of his dreams.

Any way you slice it, this generation of this family is going to be significant in number.   The more of them that are able to pursue their potential and be happy and productive will impact society positively.   

[libgirl2]

21 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

 

While I don't give up entirely on any of the Duggar offspring deciding to forge a better path, and I absolutely hope the young ones will, I do still hold out hope for the grandchildren and will take any and every scrap of light to lead them out of the nonsense.   Every time I think of Israel attending school in an actual classroom with a credentialed teacher I smile.   There's a possibility he will have the freedoms and the education and confidence to pursue his own path as he reaches adulthood.   I hope he makes great choices that bring him health, happiness and fulfillment of his dreams.

Any way you slice it, this generation of this family is going to be significant in number.   The more of them that are able to pursue their potential and be happy and productive will impact society positively.   

Surely with so many grandchildren there could be a few that will break out. 

[Tikichick]

19 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Surely with so many grandchildren there could be a few that will break out. 

From your lips ...

But it would be nice if they could simply live their lives and pursue their dreams without having to "break out", essentially scrambling from the starting point of no real education or any practical knowledge of the world.

 

[libgirl2]

8 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

From your lips ...

But it would be nice if they could simply live their lives and pursue their dreams without having to "break out", essentially scrambling from the starting point of no real education or any practical knowledge of the world.

 

Sure, I'm not asking them to give up their faith or start do something stupid, just get an education, work a job that isn't a set up by your dad (or grand dad), have 2 or 3 kids, wear pants! 

[leighdear]

1 hour ago, Heathen said:

He's still light years ahead of his in-laws, with the possible exception of John. Besides, people here swore Derick wouldn't make it through even one semester of law school, and he's about to graduate now.

 

I think most of us were fairly sure he would make it through school and with decent grades, though we never heard any crowing about him making the Dean's List or any other superlatives.   We did talk about it quite a bit when he began.  He finished his undergrad degree and his fake-minister classes, so he can achieve things. 

However, he tends to flame out spectacularly at follow up and abandons life goals seemingly on a whim. 

And frankly, a well trained mechanic or plumber can make more in a year than a brand-new lawyer.  Saying he's better educated than the others is true, but he won't necessarily out-earn all of the other Duggars with their minimal schooling.  He'll need quite a few years of high-level legal work to make big bucks. 

[iwantcookies]

Eh D wants to strip people out of their rights. So I’m not too thrilled about that. Did he pass the bar?

Still beats being on Jim Boogers tit for rent $. 

[libgirl2]

9 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Eh D wants to strip people out of their rights. So I’m not too thrilled about that. Did he pass the bar?

Still beats being on Jim Boogers tit for rent $. 

The Duggars also want to strip people of their rights, but they aren't educated beyond the kitchen table and have no ambition to do much more besides live off dad. 

[crazy8s]

20 minutes ago, leighdear said:

I think most of us were fairly sure he would make it through school and with decent grades, though we never heard any crowing about him making the Dean's List or any other superlatives.   We did talk about it quite a bit when he began.  He finished his undergrad degree and his fake-minister classes, so he can achieve things. 

However, he tends to flame out spectacularly at follow up and abandons life goals seemingly on a whim. 

And frankly, a well trained mechanic or plumber can make more in a year than a brand-new lawyer.  Saying he's better educated than the others is true, but he won't necessarily out-earn all of the other Duggars with their minimal schooling.  He'll need quite a few years of high-level legal work to make big bucks. 

well he has the possibly to out earn the 3 Duggar bros that have real estate licenses with 1 listing between them and JB pal Thomas Joseph listing and selling the money properties. Including Jase's build, Justin's house etc

[BigBingerBro]

Just so we're not giving them clicks

[leighdear]

Deertick hasn't graduated, hasn't passed the bar exam, and hasn't been hired by a legal firm.  That certificate just says that as a 3rd year law student, he can do grunt work for supervising attorneys at a legal clinic. 

There are dozens of "possibilities" that every member of the family could entertain. Deertick isn't the sole success of the family because he's still in school.   

[GeeGolly]

Derick was raised by a pants wearing, working, mom. Derick went to public school. Derick went to college, twice. Derick went by himself on a year long mission. Derick married Jill. Derick is Derick.

Michelle was a public school girl, was a cheerleader and mowed her lawn in a bikini.

Mr Paine, Erin Bates' FIL was a MD.

I'm not sure attending public school is going to outweigh having Derick and Jill for parents. We can hope, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[lafcolleen]

2 hours ago, leighdear said:

Deertick hasn't graduated, hasn't passed the bar exam, and hasn't been hired by a legal firm.  That certificate just says that as a 3rd year law student, he can do grunt work for supervising attorneys at a legal clinic. 

There are dozens of "possibilities" that every member of the family could entertain. Deertick isn't the sole success of the family because he's still in school.   

I doubt he is just doing "grunt" work.  I work for a legal aid program (in a different state) and regularly see 3Ls doing pretty substantive work.

these legal clinics have two goals: 1) to provide low cost / free work for undeserved communities and 2) provide real experience so you graduate with practical skills.

I did clinic and learned interviewing skills, motion writing and negotiations. I didn't get to argue / try anything but that was a function of the type of case I was working on.

I've seen clinic students doing DV hearings, evictions, delinquency, and consumer stuff.

we have student interns at my office and just in the past year I have had multiple students do contested hearings with me - opening, closing arguments and presenting witnesses.

 

so he will almost certainly have a chance to have a small client caseload. 3-5 and be expected to be the main contact for the client, develop the facts of the case and do meaningful research and handle part of a case in court. he'll be expected to find his feet in court handling routine motions or calls and deal directly with opposing counsel/party in navigating court and drafting court orders.

a good clinic program will give plenty of support but also really have options for  the student to be the front of the case.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

4 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Eh D wants to strip people out of their rights. So I’m not too thrilled about that. Did he pass the bar?

Still beats being on Jim Boogers tit for rent $. 

Bar exam isn't until July. Then he won't know if he passed until October or November.

[awaken]

What’s with the helmet hair?  Strange!

[dariafan]

On 3/17/2021 at 11:05 PM, GeeGolly said:

With all that money, one would think they could afford better than Sears' professional photos. 😁

Olan Mills must have been booked. 🤣.  But in all seriousness, I have a soft spot for Tammy Faye.   Comes from growing up watching ptl before school 

[CalicoKitty]

3 hours ago, dariafan said:

Olan Mills must have been booked. 🤣.  But in all seriousness, I have a soft spot for Tammy Faye.   Comes from growing up watching ptl before school 

Tammy Faye was sort of like a train wreck--you couldn't look away.  She always seemed kind, however.  I felt sorry for her in her choice of husband.  He was just plain creepy.  

[cmr2014]

23 hours ago, leighdear said:

I think most of us were fairly sure he would make it through school and with decent grades, though we never heard any crowing about him making the Dean's List or any other superlatives.   We did talk about it quite a bit when he began.  He finished his undergrad degree and his fake-minister classes, so he can achieve things. 

However, he tends to flame out spectacularly at follow up and abandons life goals seemingly on a whim. 

And frankly, a well trained mechanic or plumber can make more in a year than a brand-new lawyer.  Saying he's better educated than the others is true, but he won't necessarily out-earn all of the other Duggars with their minimal schooling.  He'll need quite a few years of high-level legal work to make big bucks. 

I could be 100% wrong about this, but I think Derick has stabilized his ship. He was just floundering there for so long -- the fake SOS "ministry" and that weird class. He and Jill seemed really rocky, and they were both openly hostile to their kids -- especially Izzy. He seems like he's doing fine in law school; he and Jill seem MUCH happier; the kids seem happier.

They seem to be making plans for a normal middle class life: going to school, buying a house, enrolling Izzy in school, getting a dog, etc.

Before, they were trying for some sort of Duggar-hybrid life with filming, the fake JB approved SOS "ministry," "marriage counseling" courtesy of JB and J'chelle, etc.

I think it's possible that someone at that Cross Church "class" took Derick in hand and told him he wasn't cut out for the ministry, and he needed to make some significant changes. It's the most likely place for Derick to have come into prolonged contact with an adult male whose opinion he respected.

[Zella]

Derick made it way farther in law school than I ever thought he would, but I'm more interested in seeing where he is in a couple of years. As I've said on here before, he seems to respond well to structure, so I think school is easy for him in a way that real life is not. He seems to really flounder once he leaves that structure and doesn't seem to be able to maintain a long-term employment situation. Maybe that's changed. But I don't know. I have friends like him who function so well in an academic environment but seem so lost in the actual work world. I would never have dreamed that they were my classmates who would struggle the most after graduation. 

[BigBingerBro]

3 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I think it's possible that someone at that Cross Church "class" took Derick in hand and told him he wasn't cut out for the ministry, and he needed to make some significant changes. It's the most likely place for Derick to have come into prolonged contact with an adult male whose opinion he respected.

I also wonder if Miss Cathy also had a "come to Jesus" meeting with Deertick as well.  He really made a 180 in terms of getting a solid lifestyle going for his family

Edited March 20, 2021 by BigBingerBro

[Heathen]

49 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I also wonder if Miss Cathy also had a "come to Jesus" meeting with Deertick as well.  He really made a 360 in terms of getting a solid lifestyle going for his family

Or his brother did. 

[cmr2014]

53 minutes ago, Zella said:

Derick made it way farther in law school than I ever thought he would, but I'm more interested in seeing where he is in a couple of years. As I've said on here before, he seems to respond well to structure, so I think school is easy for him in a way that real life is not. He seems to really flounder once he leaves that structure and doesn't seem to be able to maintain a long-term employment situation. Maybe that's changed. But I don't know. I have friends like him who function so well in an academic environment but seem so lost in the actual work world. I would never have dreamed that they were my classmates who would struggle the most after graduation. 

I think that this is a real possibility, but if that were the case, I would think that being an accountant at WalMart would suit him. I have no idea what the office environment is actually like, but I would imagine it being very structured -- even more so than school.

It should be pretty obvious within a couple of months of graduation. If he finds a job, and Jill starts mooning around all day, or he starts jabbering about a "heart for the ministry" or "missionary work," or a PhD program that sounds interesting we'll know that he's not interested in any kind of settled, stable life.

[Zella]

38 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that this is a real possibility, but if that were the case, I would think that being an accountant at WalMart would suit him. I have no idea what the office environment is actually like, but I would imagine it being very structured -- even more so than school.

It should be pretty obvious within a couple of months of graduation. If he finds a job, and Jill starts mooning around all day, or he starts jabbering about a "heart for the ministry" or "missionary work," or a PhD program that sounds interesting we'll know that he's not interested in any kind of settled, stable life.

People I've talked to who have worked Wal-Mart corporate have described it as rigid. But I don't think a rigid corporate environment provides the same structure that academia does. One of my friends who worked at Wal-Mart corporate and who hated it has told me she wished that work was like school, and you get a syllabus and grades and a 4-year-plan that you could check off. She's not one of the people I referred to who as struggled after graduation, but I understand where she is coming from and see that in the ones who do really struggle after graduation. And based on that conversation, I don't think she found the rigidity of Wal-Mart corporate reassuring in the same way she did the structure of college.

On paper, the Wal-Mart job was a good opportunity for him. 

[Westiepeach]

Did he have a female supervisor and that is one of the reasons he quit? Or am I making that up?

[BigBingerBro]

12 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

Did he have a female supervisor and that is one of the reasons he quit? Or am I making that up?

I think that was wild speculation

[Zella]

Yeah I've read it as speculation but not as confirmed. I wouldn't say it would surprise me if it is true, but if it is, law school must have been hell for him. There are a lot of women in charge at the U of A law school. Depending on which legal clinic he is involved with, his boss is likely a woman. (3 of the 4 professors supervising the legal clinics are women, per the website.)

[Quilt Fairy]

3 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

He really made a 360 in terms of getting a solid lifestyle going for his family

Don't you mean a 180?  360 degrees takes you back to where you started (just a little dizzy).  

[CalicoKitty]

He also had a wife that could not function alone, and was taking time off for filming.  Things may be altogether different now.  No filming, and Jill seems much more "together" than she was.  We'll see.

[BigBingerBro]

10 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Don't you mean a 180?  360 degrees takes you back to where you started (just a little dizzy).  

Fixed it.  I'm a dummy

[Quilt Fairy]

1 minute ago, BigBingerBro said:

Fixed it.  I'm a dummy

Nah, it's a common mistake.  It just brings out the math nerd in me.  

[lascuba]

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that this is a real possibility, but if that were the case, I would think that being an accountant at WalMart would suit him. I have no idea what the office environment is actually like, but I would imagine it being very structured -- even more so than school.

It should be pretty obvious within a couple of months of graduation. If he finds a job, and Jill starts mooning around all day, or he starts jabbering about a "heart for the ministry" or "missionary work," or a PhD program that sounds interesting we'll know that he's not interested in any kind of settled, stable life.

It could be that Derick suffers from a chronic case of building up fantasies that reality has no hope of living up to. He studied accounting with the hope of working for the FBI--I don't know when or if that dream changed, but being an accountant at Walmart was certainly worlds apart from what he imaged for himself when he chose his major. We went to Danger America and...well, we all saw how that turned out. Hell, him going scorched earth with JB and TLC can also be viewed in the light of disappointed fantasy. If Derick doesn't end up in front of the Supreme Court fighting against abortion/immigration/trans lives in five years, he'll probably rage quit law, too.

1 hour ago, Zella said:

People I've talked to who have worked Wal-Mart corporate have described it as rigid. But I don't think a rigid corporate environment provides the same structure that academia does. One of my friends who worked at Wal-Mart corporate and who hated it has told me she wished that work was like school, and you get a syllabus and grades and a 4-year-plan that you could check off. She's not one of the people I referred to who as struggled after graduation, but I understand where she is coming from and see that in the ones who do really struggle after graduation. And based on that conversation, I don't think she found the rigidity of Wal-Mart corporate reassuring in the same way she did the structure of college.

On paper, the Wal-Mart job was a good opportunity for him. 

I can relate. I never really struggled after graduation (I've always been boringly practical and believe "doing what you love" is for hobbies, career is for money and as long as I don't actively hate what I'm going and have decent work/life balance, I'm good), but I really, really loved school. It was the perfect mix of structure and flexibility, and I got rewarded for studying interesting things. Where's my 4.0 for my recent deep dive into the Romanovs, huh?

If I had unlimited funds I'd spend a good chunk of it getting one degree after another.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, Heathen said:

Or his brother did. 

Or there was an intervention. 😁