Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Tuxcat]

"The hat in the reflection of the computer screen was discussed again.

Bush said it could be anyone because it was a company hat."

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Aha! That is what Jed! will testify about. He owns a hat too. Then the defense will call the Sun and the reporter will testify about how all the Duggars look alike and its confusing!

 

[Rootbeer]

4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Jurors have a lot of other things to focus on besides who's sitting where in the courtroom or who's chatting with whom, though.

As far as Derick sitting with Anna, he has been wearing a suit and taking notes the whole time.  I doubt he is recognizable to anyone on the jury.  If anything, they probably figure he's one of the junior defense lawyers sitting next to Anna and keeping track of stuff for the defense.  Most family members of defendants don't wear suits to court.

[SMama]

19 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

 

I swear this whole Dugger clan IS like a cult. 

I do believe the whole tribe of them are there supporting this man that’s into horrible Child Pornography  so  bad I’m scared to death I’ll catch a glimpse of it!

It IS a cult.

Unless Derick says he is/was there to support the pedophile I will never believe he supports Volderjosh. 

[Iguessnot]

7 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Sounds like she couldn't do anything without the router. 🤣

I'm trying to figure out why she's making the router more important than that pesky Linux partition. Well I know why she's carrying on, but is that even plausible?

[hathorlive]

7 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Sounds like she couldn't do anything without the router. 🤣

I was talking to my coworker about that yesterday.  He's on a search of a 60000 square foot business with 7 other examiners.  We both moaned about poor "best practices" but at the end of the day, the only "storage" the router has is to keep your settings for when the power goes out. It doesn't store any of the magical things she thinks it stores.   

And her bit about not being able to take the CP out to her own lab, yeah.  No.  We used to disable the USB ports on the computer in the examination room so that they couldn't try to copy the image file of the exhibit and take it out to work on it later.  No one lets people check out CP like a library book. 

I expect nothing more from the loins of Tami Loehrs. 

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

"The hat in the reflection of the computer screen was discussed again.

Bush said it could be anyone because it was a company hat."

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Aha! That is what Jed! will testify about. He owns a hat too. Then the defense will call the Sun and the reporter will testify about how all the Duggars look alike and its confusing!

 

"I do solemnly swear, under penalty of law and on a stack of Bibles, that every one of these motherfuckers looks just alike." 

[SMama]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Personally I think it would be obvious to the jurors who is there to support Josh. All the siblings have been sitting with the wife of the defendant. The wife who clearly supports her husband. I don't think one juror is going to surmise these 'spectators' are there to support the defendant's wife and not the defendant. 

And all have interacted with Anna in the jurors presence. Whether it be a smile, a nod or a whisper, the jurors see it. I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen smiles and nods to Josh too. 

It is possible to think Anna needs support and has done nothing wrong while also believing her husband is a pedophile scumbag.

How are the jurors seeing these smiles when everyone in the room is masked?

[Insert Username]

I am nervous because juries are so unpredictable. I sat on a jury (spousal and child abuse-completely clear cut case. The idiot should have taken the plea deal, which was 10 years. Instead he got almost 60, with no possibility of parole or early release, thanks to a new law in our state) where one juror wanted to acquit the defendant because the victim "looked like all those snotty cheerleaders she knew in high school, so she was probably asking for it" Thanks to patient and repeated review of materials and an un-airconditioned jury room, she finally came around.

Everything seems clear to us, but we don't know what biases this brings, nor how the jury is processing this confusing and contradictory information. Hopefully there is one or two knowledgeable jurors who can break it down for the others if needed.

Also, did I read that correctly - the network WAS password protected?

It comes down to "Qui bono?" - who benefits from downloading the partition and the CSAM on his computer? Also, Occam's Razor - the most probable and simplest explanation are probably the correct one. 

[lascuba]

9 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

 

And do all the Duggars attending this circle really think that Josh is innocent and none of this would be happening if Donald Trump was still in office? Are they really that dumb??

The question of Josh's innocence is moot. They don't care if he did it, they care that one of their own is being held accountable for it. Yes, they're really that dumb, but it's a sinister type of dumb, not gullible one.

[hathorlive]

15 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

I'm trying to figure out why she's making the router more important than that pesky Linux partition. Well I know why she's carrying on, but is that even plausible?

I'm still trying to figure out why she's implying the partition may have first been on a Dell.  A partition is literally a section of the computer's hard drive.  If it were in another machine, Josh wouldn't have a functioning computer.  As you create the Linux partition from the Hp existing hard drive, it has nothing to do with a Dell.

The router is smoke and mirrors. I just wish they would ask her what data of hacking or remoting she expected to see on a device with no storage media? But DHS was stupid for not taking pictures of it and documenting what they "saw" in the settings.

[lascuba]

4 minutes ago, SMama said:

It is possible to think Anna needs support and has done nothing wrong while also believing her husband is a pedophile scumbag.

 

 Anna is not going to accept "support" from someone who isn't also supporting Josh.

[hathorlive]

8 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

Instead he got almost 60, with no possibility of parole or early release, thanks to a new law in our state) where one juror wanted to acquit the defendant because the victim "looked like all those snotty cheerleaders she knew in high school, so she was probably asking for it" Thanks to patient and repeated review of materials and an un-airconditioned jury room, she finally came around.

When I was on jury duty, the hold out was convinced to cave because it was 7pm and we had not had dinner.  We indicated we were going all night, so we got the vote.  You do what you have to do.  

[Tuxcat]

"Gelfand asked where someone would have to be to access the network, and Bush said anywhere. He asked if they could be somewhere like Paris, and Bush said that was correct."

Why Paris? What did they do?

[absnow54]

Okay experts, this is what's throwing me:

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Video streaming

Gelfand asked about video streaming next.

He asked if the videos were streamed through the VLC player and Bush said yes, that it goes over a network and uses URL to broadcast info, as opposed to double-clicking and watching a video.

She claimed that meant the chance that someone else watched the video is much greater.

Do they mean that he was streaming from "192.168.1.1/<file path to file>" at which point, wouldn't he have to have some sort of httpd or an http server enabled? Or did he just open the file via terminal window. It's such a weird distinction for whether he "double clicked" a file or not. I also can't think of the benefit of broadcasting and streaming from your local machine. 

[Insert Username]

I noticed in the video that when they get to the door, Josh opens the door and walks in ahead of Anna. I think that sums up his attitude towards her. In our decades together, never once has my husband--a fair Neanderthal in many respects--failed to open the door and stand by for me to enter first

[hathorlive]

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Michelle Bush said the network on the car lot computer was vulnerable, and that if universal plug and play was enabled, which she said her analysis showed, someone could control it remotely.

Let me finish that thought for you, honey.  Someone who was on the same network might be able to access the computer, if the computer was set up to allow another person to access it remotely, if UPnP was enabled.  

Example, my roommate and I have our devices on the same network.  We have "shared" certain folders so we can dump pictures and files for our Silhouette planners into a common folder.   I can't go anywhere else on her computer.  It's tied to my computer and my data.  I can't access her computer via a file share ($C) on a printer because that setting was changed a long time ago.

Stop using scary sounding things to make up for your lack of knowledge. So, were there any UPnP devices on Josh's computer?  What ports were effected? Any logs to back this up?  I thought Josh was too stupid to understand things like ports...

[Panopticon]

2 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

I noticed in the video that when they get to the door, Josh opens the door and walks in ahead of Anna. I think that sums up his attitude towards her. In our decades together, never once has my husband--a fair Neanderthal in many respects--failed to open the door and stand by for me to enter first

Meanwhile, the Sun made a point of reporting that Jim Bob held the door for everyone. Josh’s level of self-absorption boggles the mind. 

[SnapHappy]

5 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

And also, I wouldn't be surprised that the reason why Derick has shown up regularly, in part, is because of his law school training.

He's just desperate for somebody to think he's a practicing attorney, thus wearing the suit every day and carrying the folder.  Talk about thirsty for attention!  Besides, what else does he have to do all day?  And I don't buy him "being there to later advise Jill".  That's what the REAL lawyers that are actually working the case do for folks testifying.  

[hathorlive]

5 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Okay experts, this is what's throwing me:

Do they mean that he was streaming from "192.168.1.1/<file path to file>" at which point, wouldn't he have to have some sort of httpd or an http server enabled? Or did he just open the file via terminal window. It's such a weird distinction for whether he "double clicked" a file or not. I also can't think of the benefit of broadcasting and streaming from your local machine. 

Double clicking means a .LNK file was created, which is die hard proof.  None of this means anything.  They just want you to know hackers are everywhere.  We don't even know if Josh's router supported UPnP. We also have no proof that any other device was  connected to it that could be exploited.  And I thought Josh was too stupid to do this fancy networking stuff. 

[libgirl2]

6 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

I noticed in the video that when they get to the door, Josh opens the door and walks in ahead of Anna. I think that sums up his attitude towards her. In our decades together, never once has my husband--a fair Neanderthal in many respects--failed to open the door and stand by for me to enter first

My husband, in our early dating days, used to not open the door for me. I finally yelled at him and he has ever since. 

[hathorlive]

2 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

My husband, in our early dating days, used to not open the door for me. I finally yelled at him and he has ever since. 

I'm from the south, I expect doors to be opened for me and, in turn,  I open doors for everyone near me.  Good manners never get old fashioned.

[absnow54]

6 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Double clicking means a .LNK file was created, which is die hard proof.  None of this means anything.  They just want you to know hackers are everywhere.  We don't even know if Josh's router supported UPnP. We also have no proof that any other device was  connected to it that could be exploited.  And I thought Josh was too stupid to do this fancy networking stuff. 

I think the point is, that the VLC settings indicated that the file was streamed over a URL though (which is a feature) instead of just opened locally. Do you think he streamed it thinking it would prevent a LNK file? Or is it so he could watch it while it was still being downloaded?

Edited December 7, 2021 by absnow54

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

I think the point is, that the VLC settings indicated that the file was streamed over a URL though (which is a feature) instead of just opened locally. Do you think he streamed it thinking it would prevent a LNK file? Or is it so he could watch it while it was still being downloaded?

I think he streamed it while it was being downloaded because he's too impatient to wait to see his sick porn.  Or to check to see if it's the kind of CP he likes.  Again, downloaded/streamed and viewed.  

[absnow54]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

I think he streamed it while it was being downloaded because he's too impatient to wait to see his sick porn.  Or to check to see if it's the kind of CP he likes.  Again, downloaded/streamed and viewed.  

Another possibility is that she's just being misleading again, and implying since VLC has the capability to stream remotely, than that's how it was done. There hasn't been any talk about setting up an http server, which I think is needed to broadcast, and would poke holes in that theory. 

[emmawoodhouse]

I read that Michelle mentioned that her report was 100 pages long. Really, sweetie? A hundred pages of what, exactly? Bitching about the router? 😂

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, absnow54 said:

Another possibility is that she's just being misleading again, and implying since VLC has the capability to stream remotely, than that's how it was done. There hasn't been any talk about setting up an http server, which I think is needed to broadcast, and would poke holes in that theory. 

You need to STOP making sense right now.  Because she could prove all of this if the router had been seized.  Facepalm.  Again.  She's like a dog with a bone.  I hope the jury is getting tired of her.

[absnow54]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I read that Michelle mentioned that her report was 100 pages long. Really, sweetie? A hundred pages of what, exactly? Bitching about the router? 😂

I love that the defense's argument was that the prosecution's report was only 2-3 pages, so obviously the 100 page report is more accurate. 

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, absnow54 said:

I love that the defense's argument was that the prosecution's report was only 2-3 pages, so obviously the 100 page report is more accurate. 

Well, I can copy and paste tons of stuff and pictures into a report and make it long.  Doesn't make it any more accurate or succinct.  The BS factor is high today.

[mittsigirl]

2 hours ago, hathorlive said:

It's very different to learn by watching and using and understanding how the OS is set up, the structure of the file system and limitations governing user accounts, programs, and networking.  She shouldn't have been given this case without formal Linux training on her CV.

Good to hear from you again, I always look for your comments!

[BitterApple]

23 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

He's just desperate for somebody to think he's a practicing attorney, thus wearing the suit every day and carrying the folder.  Talk about thirsty for attention!  Besides, what else does he have to do all day?  And I don't buy him "being there to later advise Jill".  That's what the REAL lawyers that are actually working the case do for folks testifying.  

I agree. Derick's either there to support Josh or he's there to look lawyerly and be seen. Jill isn't at the trial and she hasn't been called to testify. If it was about support, he'd be at home with her following the live feed like the rest of us. 

[SJC]

28 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

He's just desperate for somebody to think he's a practicing attorney, thus wearing the suit every day and carrying the folder.  Talk about thirsty for attention!  Besides, what else does he have to do all day? 

Poor Derrick.
What's next for him? Astronaut school?

Edited December 7, 2021 by SJC

[Future Cat Lady]

26 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

He's just desperate for somebody to think he's a practicing attorney, thus wearing the suit every day and carrying the folder.  Talk about thirsty for attention!  Besides, what else does he have to do all day?  And I don't buy him "being there to later advise Jill".  That's what the REAL lawyers that are actually working the case do for folks testifying.  

I really don't understand what's he doing there. He doesn't work for the prosecution or the defense. Why is he taking notes and looking like he's there on a professional level?

[SJC]

Just now, Future Cat Lady said:

Why is he taking notes and looking like he's there on a professional level?

Because he has nothing else to do ? 😥

[hathorlive]

Just now, Future Cat Lady said:

I really don't understand what's he doing there. He doesn't work for the prosecution or the defense. Why is he taking notes and looking like he's there on a professional level?

He's there because he gets to observe all the things he was taught in law school.  Technique, jury reactions, judge's rulings, arguments for evidence.  All of it.  And it's relevant because he's related to the scumbag in question.  If anyone I knew was going to court, I would be there too.  There's nothing wrong with going to watch people you want to be like do their thing.  And as for dressing up, at least he knows what is proper in court.  If he's smart, he'd pass out some resumes while he's at it.  Or maybe go study for the bar, lol.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

The Duggar guys really kinda are like a set of canisters or Russian nesting dolls. 

1 hour ago, Zella said:

"I do solemnly swear, under penalty of law and on a stack of Bibles, that every one of these motherfuckers looks just alike." 

The Russian Nesting Doll Defense. 👨🏽👨🏽🧑🏽🧔🏽🧑🏽👦🏽

 

[Future Cat Lady]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

He's there because he gets to observe all the things he was taught in law school.  Technique, jury reactions, judge's rulings, arguments for evidence.  All of it.  And it's relevant because he's related to the scumbag in question.  If anyone I knew was going to court, I would be there too.  There's nothing wrong with going to watch people you want to be like do their thing.  And as for dressing up, at least he knows what is proper in court.  If he's smart, he'd pass out some resumes while he's at it.  Or maybe go study for the bar, lol.

I get that. But i just seems like he's trying to make himself look important.

[lascuba]

1 minute ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I really don't understand what's he doing there. He doesn't work for the prosecution or the defense. Why is he taking notes and looking like he's there on a professional level?

The kindest interpretation I can come up with--and I'm not inclined to interpret anything Dillard related kindly--is that he's really excited to have a criminal trial so close both literally and figuratively. He's taking notes of the lawyers' strategies to learn from and try to figure out how he'd do better on either side.

[SJC]

1 minute ago, Future Cat Lady said:

he's trying to make himself look important.

But he IS important !

[Trillium]

4 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I get that. But i just seems like he's trying to make himself look important.

Oh he totally is LARPing (live action role play) being a lawyer right now. Someone on Reddit said he has a note pad but she never actually saw him write in it. Cosplay, that’s all it is. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Trillium

[SnapHappy]

11 minutes ago, SJC said:

Poor Derrick.
What's next for him? Astronaut school?

Fireman school.  One of the howlers can hook him up with that firetruck that showed for one of the kid's birthdays, so he's all set.   He just needs the boots & the big hat!

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, lascuba said:

The kindest interpretation I can come up with--and I'm not inclined to interpret anything Dillard related kindly--is that he's really excited to have a criminal trial so close both literally and figuratively. He's taking notes of the lawyers' strategies to learn from and try to figure out how he'd do better on either side.

I'm doing the exact same thing here today.  I'm using my knowledge to dis and snark on the actors involved.  It's human nature. 

[SJC]

Just now, SnapHappy said:

Fireman school.  One of the howlers can hook him up with that firetruck that showed for one of the kid's birthdays, so he's all set.   He just needs the boots & the big hat!

Lol 😜

[SnapHappy]

10 minutes ago, lascuba said:

The kindest interpretation I can come up with--and I'm not inclined to interpret anything Dillard related kindly--is that he's really excited to have a criminal trial so close both literally and figuratively. He's taking notes of the lawyers' strategies to learn from and try to figure out how he'd do better on either side.

And how convenient that his own WIFE just happened to get fondled by the perv in the defendant's chair!  How lucky was that?  Derrick just lives a charmed life. 

As usual, his appearance & behavior is making the whole thing about him.  Not his wife, HIM.  

Edited December 7, 2021 by SnapHappy

[ElsieEm]

13 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I really don't understand what's he doing there. He doesn't work for the prosecution or the defense. Why is he taking notes and looking like he's there on a professional level?

My (perhaps generous) reading on Derick is that he's there because he really does want the truth. He's the one least likely to buy JB's and Josh's bullshit. He'll want to make up his own mind based on evidence. 

Plus, he's obviously interested in the law, and observing a trial is probably engaging enough on it's own for him. But I think at the end of the day, he does just want to have an informed opinion on Josh and his guilt.

[GeeGolly]

Are they going to do a glove reenactment, a la OJ. The defense lawyer whips out two hats, hands one to Jed and one to Josh and they both put them on.

If you can't differentiate, you must liberate. 

[lascuba]

4 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I'm doing the exact same thing here today.  I'm using my knowledge to dis and snark on the actors involved.  It's human nature. 

Oh, same here (minus the knowledge part, because almost everything I know about criminal trials, I learned from John Grisham novels). Derick being there as an enthusiastic new law school graduate is much more palatable to me than him being there to support that family. The fact that he's related to the defendant of such a disgusting crime makes it all a bit slimy, though. 

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Are they going to do a glove reenactment, a la OJ. The defense lawyer whips out two hats, hands one to Jed and one to Josh and they both put them on.

If you can't differentiate, you must liberate. 

Hush! Don't give them any ideas!

[crazy8s]

really the only thing derick has done is show up everyday. not one comment from him at all. He is the only duggar or adjacent, other than Josh and Anna to hear the entire trial. (I can't remember if Austin has also been there for the entire trial). Why he is there and whether it is to make himself important is all speculation on our part.

[lascuba]

3 minutes ago, ElsieEm said:

My (perhaps generous) reading on Derick is that he's there because he really does want the truth. He's the one least likely to buy JB's and Josh's bullshit. He'll want to make up his own mind based on evidence. 

Plus, he's obviously interested in the law, and observing a trial is probably engaging enough on it's own for him. But I think at the end of the day, he does just want to have an informed opinion on Josh and his guilt.

Based on things he's said even before going to law school, he strikes me as the type that's more interested in the procedures and technicalities rather than the outcomes or any actual truths.

[quarks]

In all fairness to Derrick, I don't think he is making this all about him at all. He hasn't done any interviews with any of the reporters there - the tabloids or the locals. He isn't posting about this trial on social media. 

He was interested enough in law to go to law school for three years, and he knows several of the participants in this trial. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that he's there because he's genuinely interested.

 

[crazy8s]

Also it is possible Jill wants the entire story, not filtered through jb. Since she is on the witness list, she is unable to be in the courtroom for the entire trial.

on whether derick writes things in the notebook or not - what courtroom people are watching him every moment??