Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Aja]

He got him a Cross Church LAWYR. 

[Bitter Betty]

31 minutes ago, Aja said:

He got him a Cross Church LAWYR. 

That feels like a really awkward conversation to have with a fellow church congregant. "Can you please represent me in suing the city for revealing that I molested four of my sisters? Thanks."

[TresGatos]

The Anna Duggar non-story about her 8-year-old early miscarriage was featured on Yahoo News along with two separate stories about Jinger and Jill - Jinger in pants and heels and Jilly Muffin showing her knees. It seems as if the Duggars are desperately deflecting from Derick.

[Darknight]

On 3/13/2018 at 9:42 PM, DkNNy79 said:

Could you imagine if it came out that he impregnated someone else and had them get an abortion to cover it up?  Considering Anna likes to pass judgement on others with her anti-abortion picketing.

 

I wish that while Anna was doing her anti-abortion picketing, someone would’ve been holding a sign of  Josh’s face with the words “child molester” on it across the street.

This would be gold. Many people who are against abortion will abort themselves 

[Darknight]

Anna is disgusting. It's all about her. I'm wondering if Anna and her in laws get along.  So what Anna you have 4 kids and had the first Duggar granddaughters. Who cares

[DkNNy79]

15 hours ago, Darknight said:

Anna is disgusting. It's all about her. I'm wondering if Anna and her in laws get along.  So what Anna you have 4 kids and had the first Duggar granddaughters. Who cares

I’m betting there’s no love lost between her and the other girls.  That was a petty thing to post about being the only one to produce granddaughters.

[Heathen]

16 hours ago, Darknight said:

Anna is disgusting. It's all about her. I'm wondering if Anna and her in laws get along.  So what Anna you have 4 kids and had the first Duggar granddaughters. Who cares

The Smuggars have five kids. 

[Mollie]

58 minutes ago, Heathen said:

The Smuggars have five kids. 

and counting

[Sew Sumi]

...unfortunately

[Darknight]

6 hours ago, Mollie said:

and counting

Omg. I laughed so hard

7 hours ago, Heathen said:

The Smuggars have five kids. 

It's hard to keep up. I'm shocked they only have 5. 

[Viqutorious]

On 3/16/2018 at 10:32 PM, Darknight said:

This would be gold. Many people who are against abortion will abort themselves 

I must be tired, I had to read this 3 times to comprehend it. 

I was wondering, how do you abort yourself?

[Darknight]

2 hours ago, CheeseBurgh said:

I must be tired, I had to read this 3 times to comprehend it. 

I was wondering, how do you abort yourself?

Sorry I mean they would abort their pregnancy or want a woman to abort her pregnancy but they're against abortion aborting 

[Viqutorious]

I know what you meant! I was laughing at my initial interpretation!

[Nysha]

On 3/13/2018 at 9:47 AM, Natalie68 said:

The money he is spending on this lame lawsuit could help pay for his ever growing brood.  They may need food, housing, therapy, bail at some point in their lives.

My bet is he's using an ambulance-chaser for a lawyer, like the ones who advertise on late night TV that they only get paid when you do.

[Lady Edith]

Here’s what is confusing me...in their belief system women/girls are second-class citizens.  Unfettered temptresses and worthy only of constant scrutiny and monitoring.  Because of the need to be pure of thought, word and deed at all times.  They are uneducated beings whose only predestined role in life is to care for younger siblings, breed, and care for their headship’s every need, in and out of the bedroom. 

So if this is the life of a female in their homes, why on EARTH would you brag about having girls?  

[Mollie]

25 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

Here’s what is confusing me...in their belief system women/girls are second-class citizens.  Unfettered temptresses and worthy only of constant scrutiny and monitoring.  Because of the need to be pure of thought, word and deed at all times.  They are uneducated beings whose only predestined role in life is to care for younger siblings, breed, and care for their headship’s every need, in and out of the bedroom. 

So if this is the life of a female in their homes, why on EARTH would you brag about having girls?  

Not to mention the fact that Anna's husband confessed to sexually molesting at least five girls, four of whom were in his own family.  Anna shouldn't be having daughters at all, let alone bragging about having them.

[EVS]

44 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

Here’s what is confusing me...in their belief system women/girls are second-class citizens.  Unfettered temptresses and worthy only of constant scrutiny and monitoring.  Because of the need to be pure of thought, word and deed at all times.  They are uneducated beings whose only predestined role in life is to care for younger siblings, breed, and care for their headship’s every need, in and out of the bedroom. 

So if this is the life of a female in their homes, why on EARTH would you brag about having girls?  

Because having girls means Anna has future housekeepers, cooks and sister-moms, so she can focus on important things like being joyfully available for pervert Josh and having as many kids as possible. 

That’s my guess anyway. 

[beckie]

She brags about the girls, because she has TWO, and so far none of the Duggar daughters have any. To her being married to the first born prince(bleach), having had half the grandkids (so far) and two girls is her claim to fame in that family. Otherwise she's just a pathetic person who won't leave her hubby and she can push aside all his supposed wrongs ( in her mind).

[Picture It. Sicily]

When she brags about having all the daughters, all I can think is all the future victims. Even if Josh never lays a hand on them, the religion will victimize them one way or another.

[DragonFaerie]

3 hours ago, beckie said:

She brags about the girls, because she has TWO, and so far none of the Duggar daughters have any. To her being married to the first born prince(bleach), having had half the grandkids (so far) and two girls is her claim to fame in that family. Otherwise she's just a pathetic person who won't leave her hubby and she can push aside all his supposed wrongs ( in her mind).

I'm hoping that most of the Duggar kids don't have girls.  I really sort of hope that Jill with her Fabulous (sarcasm) midwifery skills doesn't get pregnant again, period - I really think it would end in disaster.  I think Joy will be better with boys since she's always been more of a tomboy,  I think Josiah and Lauren might do well with a girl - as an outlet for pretty things around Josiah - I think he would like that.  

[Albanyguy]

7 hours ago, Nysha said:

My bet is he's using an ambulance-chaser for a lawyer, like the ones who advertise on late night TV that they only get paid when you do.

Whatever happened to the attorney who represented Josh for a brief period during the Danica Dillon lawsuit? The badass lawyer-dude who wore a leather jacket and tooled around on a Harley? He was good for a few laughs around here.

[Sew Sumi]

That LAWYR was based in PA, where the alleged assault of Danica Dillon took place. 

He's using the family lawyer, Travis Story, for this lawsuit.

[Mollie]

34 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Whatever happened to the attorney who represented Josh for a brief period during the Danica Dillon lawsuit? The badass lawyer-dude who wore a leather jacket and tooled around on a Harley? He was good for a few laughs around here.

You might be thinking of Danica's attorney, Marc J. Frumer.  Josh's attorney in that case was Jeffrey A. Conrad, a Christian attorney from Lancaster, PA., home to 31,000 Amish.

[Sew Sumi]

Christian or not, he still loved his motorcycles.

[EVS]

7 hours ago, beckie said:

She brags about the girls, because she has TWO, and so far none of the Duggar daughters have any. To her being married to the first born prince(bleach), having had half the grandkids (so far) and two girls is her claim to fame in that family. Otherwise she's just a pathetic person who won't leave her hubby and she can push aside all his supposed wrongs ( in her mind).

In a few years, she will probably not have even these dubious accomplishments. Unless she manages to have the biggest family or the only set(s) of multiples, she won’t have anything left to brag about unless it is having the husband with the most scandals, and Derick seems to be trying his best to take that away from her.  

Edited March 19, 2018 by EVS
I suck at proofreading

[Lady Edith]

I just saw an article that says Anna was in an episode of Married With Children.  I checked her IMDB listing and sure enough, it’s there.  

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2641681/

She would’ve been three or four at the time. 

The website also credits her for an appearance on Today that dates to 1952...so not 100% sold on IMDB’s accuracy lol!!!

Edited March 21, 2018 by Lady Edith

[JoanArc]

11 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

I just saw an article that says Anna was in an episode of Married With Children.  I checked her IMDB listing and sure enough, it’s there.  

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2641681/

She would’ve been three or four at the time. 

The website also credits her for an appearance on Today that dates to 1952...so not 100% sold on IMDB’s accuracy lol!!!

Lol. She WISHES she were married to Al Bundy at this point.

[Mojitogirl]

17 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

I just saw an article that says Anna was in an episode of Married With Children.  I checked her IMDB listing and sure enough, it’s there.  

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2641681/

She would’ve been three or four at the time. 

The website also credits her for an appearance on Today that dates to 1952...so not 100% sold on IMDB’s accuracy lol!!!

God, I love that show. I am VERY surprised if that’s true. Was her family not fundie at the time?  That show would seem to be part of the big, bad society they are so scared of. 

[sixlets]

21 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

I just saw an article that says Anna was in an episode of Married With Children.  I checked her IMDB listing and sure enough, it’s there.  

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2641681/

She would’ve been three or four at the time. 

The website also credits her for an appearance on Today that dates to 1952...so not 100% sold on IMDB’s accuracy lol!!!

 

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They list the years that a show ran.  It shows she was on 17 Kids & Counting, and the dates are 2008-2014.  This is a pet peeve of mine on IMDB. 

ETA--because I have way too much time on my hands, I went digging.  Turns out, there IS an actress in the episode named Anna Keller, but it's not this Anna.  It's season 6, episode 23.  If you skip to the end of the episode, there's a group of women, and one them is named Anna Keller.  There is a young girl as well, but she's too old to be this Anna.

Edited March 21, 2018 by sixlets
I need a hobby.

[Sew Sumi]

One of the small prop planes flew to Rockford this morning. Hmm..,.

I'll take one for the team and watch RU tonight. The last time, Smuggar wasn't a featured speaker in any of the segments. I wonder what brings him back on meeting days? What a waste of fuel to attend a routine meeting. 

Then again, what do I know? Maybe they party it up on Good Friday.

[JoanArc]

7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

What a waste of fuel to attend a routine meeting. 

Problem needs more abuse to share his testimony and re I've a little tune-up.

[bigskygirl]

45 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

One of the small prop planes flew to Rockford this morning. Hmm..,.

I'll take one for the team and watch RU tonight. The last time, Smuggar wasn't a featured speaker in any of the segments. I wonder what brings him back on meeting days? What a waste of fuel to attend a routine meeting. 

Then again, what do I know? Maybe they party it up on Good Friday.

I hate to think what their idea of partying is. I mean I am no party animal myself, but I think I can still have a little fun (and no I am not talking about looking at porn and pretending I am someone else in order to have random sex with a total stranger.) *cough Smuggly Do Rite *cough

[Lady Edith]

Where would one find links to the going’s on at RU?  Interested to see what this “treatment “ is all about.

[Sew Sumi]

Tonight's livestream. 

https://livestream.com/northlove/ru?origin=stream_live&mixpanel_id=14bd11767fc659-085d677b33a1c8-41602842-100200-14bd11767fd545&acc_id=15020655&medium=email

eta: It's almost Cisco time, when Smugs may speak to to the cyber audience. I doubt he's up for the third talk; he'd have to string together more than three sentences. 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Sew Sumi

[Sew Sumi]

Plane departs in about 20 minutes. Smuggar must have had a nice day sucking up behind the scenes. I just have to wonder why he bothers. I doubt it changed him much.

[Barb23]

4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Plane departs in about 20 minutes. Smuggar must have had a nice day sucking up behind the scenes. I just have to wonder why he bothers. I doubt it changed him much.

[Barb23]

Sorry, having trouble quoting.

Sew - do the flight plans you get state the pilot's name even tho we know it's JD?  Does it say Duggar Air?   I can imagine JD & Joshley still having some  awkwardness between them which must leave lulls in their conversation while flying.  JD was upset when Joshley's antics were exposed & I don't see him forgetting them so quickly & making sweet like other family members have been told to do by Ma & Pa.  I'm hoping he has thoughts of opening the plane door & giving Joshley a good push out when they are up in the sky. 

[Barb23]

Pastor Caldwell seemed to emphasize the "forsaking all others" part of the vows at the JoKen wedding.  Wonder what goes thru Anna & Smug's minds when they hear this line repeated at all the sibling weddings? I'd be especially interested in Anna since she had to take the blame forJoshley's extra marital activities. 

[Scarlett45]

On 3/31/2018 at 5:38 AM, Barb23 said:

Pastor Caldwell seemed to emphasize the "forsaking all others" part of the vows at the JoKen wedding.  Wonder what goes thru Anna & Smug's minds when they hear this line repeated at all the sibling weddings? I'd be especially interested in Anna since she had to take the blame forJoshley's extra marital activities. 

I don’t think they pay much attention. For all their hypocrisy male infidelity is taken as a “shrug” only a little more so than in the secular world. If Josh had actually left Anna and ran off to be single (or with another woman) that would’ve been more condemned but he had no intention of leaving so...

Im in a minority opinion but I don’t think anyone blames Anna (least of all Josh). Everyone knew Josh had sexual perversions when he repeatedly molested his sisters- if his parents couldn’t stop that, Anna couldn’t stop him from stepping out on the marriage. I don’t think they blame her but they do expect her to just “take it”.  

Edited April 1, 2018 by Scarlett45

[madpsych78]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

Im in a minority opinion but I don’t think anyone blames Anna (least of all josh). Everyone knew Josh had sexual perversions when he repeatedly molested his sisters- if his parents couldn’t stop that, Anna couldn’t stop him from stepping out on the marriage. I don’t think they blame her but they do expect her to just “take it”.  

Good point. Perhaps it's possible that Josh's prior history with his sisters protected Anna from being blamed in a way, as opposed to if his first indiscretion had been while married to Anna. 

[Lady Edith]

I find what Josh did to be reprehensible.  And there is something I’ve been thinking about since the whole Joshley Madison thing came out...Josh has been told what to do and how to act his entire life.  His life was and is very very controlled, even as an adult.  He was punished for totally normal things...natural urges...and he probably was and still is very confused. With the reports of his “tastes” leaning toward the rough or punishing, he may see having relations with “dirty” women as punishing them in his twisted way.  Giving to them the “punishment” he received throughout his life for completely normal things...God-given urges, as they are.  So I’m thinking (not justifying) his actions as being he is taking his frustrations out on the other women.  He can’t do that to Anna, or he tried and she put a stop to it.  So he probably went outside of their marriage to do what he felt he needed to to reconcile his feelings.  

Sexual repression is a horrible thing.  Especially when the urges this group repress are natural. It leads to all sorts of nastiness such as the abuses and assaults the Duggar girls experienced and are seen as “common” in their twisted circles.

God gave us a strong sexuality for a reason...you can’t tell a teen that his self-exploration and premarital sexual urges (fulfilled or not) are a sin then expect them to jump into a normal marriage and sexual relationship just because they are pronounced a husband.  Sorry, there’s no magic switch that changes things instantaneously.  I blame this cracked belief for many of Josh’s actions.  Yes, he SHOULD know better, but a lifetime of brainwashing is hard to overcome.  Especially when it’s still perpetuated as the only right way to live into and through adulthood.  Again, not justifying...merely hypothesizing.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Lady Edith said:

I find what Josh did to be reprehensible.  And there is something I’ve been thinking about since the whole Joshley Madison thing came out...Josh has been told what to do and how to act his entire life.  His life was and is very very controlled, even as an adult.  He was punished for totally normal things...natural urges...and he probably was and still is very confused. With the reports of his “tastes” leaning toward the rough or punishing, he may see having relations with “dirty” women as punishing them in his twisted way.  Giving to them the “punishment” he received throughout his life for completely normal things...God-given urges, as they are.  So I’m thinking (not justifying) his actions as being he is taking his frustrations out on the other women.  He can’t do that to Anna, or he tried and she put a stop to it.  So he probably went outside of their marriage to do what he felt he needed to to reconcile his feelings.  

Sexual repression is a horrible thing.  Especially when the urges this group repress are natural. It leads to all sorts of nastiness such as the abuses and assaults the Duggar girls experienced and are seen as “common” in their twisted circles.

God gave us a strong sexuality for a reason...you can’t tell a teen that his self-exploration and premarital sexual urges (fulfilled or not) are a sin then expect them to jump into a normal marriage and sexual relationship just because they are pronounced a husband.  Sorry, there’s no magic switch that changes things instantaneously.  I blame this cracked belief for many of Josh’s actions.  Yes, he SHOULD know better, but a lifetime of brainwashing is hard to overcome.  Especially when it’s still perpetuated as the only right way to live into and through adulthood.  Again, not justifying...merely hypothesizing.

I can see where Josh would have issues with the way he was raised.  Their theology would not allow Josh to learn about sex in a positive way.  Keeping him and the rest of the kids sheltered does not allow for them to learn what they truly desire.  Josh did not have any way to understand that its okay to enjoy different types of sex within the bonds of marriage.   Their courting habits would not allow him and Anna to have any frank discussions about their sexual prefefences.  

[bigskygirl]

I agree the way Josh grew up did not help him, but I still think he would have been a creep when it came to women. He probably still would have thought he is God's gift to all women and still treat women as his play things. He got away with it until his actions were brought to light. He needs professional help, but I seriously doubt he wants it because he would need to admit what he did was wrong instead of the devil made me do it. His only worry was God will punish him instead of what he did to Anna and his children. Once an ass, always an ass!

[Lady Edith]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I can see where Josh would have issues with the way he was raised.  Their theology would not allow Josh to learn about sex in a positive way.  Keeping him and the rest of the kids sheltered does not allow for them to learn what they truly desire.  Josh did not have any way to understand that its okay to enjoy different types of sex within the bonds of marriage.   Their courting habits would not allow him and Anna to have any frank discussions about their sexual prefefences.  

How could they even know what their preferences are if they don’t even know that it’s ok to explore them?  Or to even THINK about them?  

Why don’t these people understand that sexuality is NATURAL?  That sexual release happens whether a person deliberately does it or not (aherm...”certain dreams” happen regardless of whether or not there is intent present or not).  Is this wrong????? 

[madpsych78]

28 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I can see where Josh would have issues with the way he was raised.  Their theology would not allow Josh to learn about sex in a positive way.  Keeping him and the rest of the kids sheltered does not allow for them to learn what they truly desire.  Josh did not have any way to understand that its okay to enjoy different types of sex within the bonds of marriage.   Their courting habits would not allow him and Anna to have any frank discussions about their sexual prefefences.  

Still...we haven't heard anything so far about any of the other Duggar sons having the same type of issues. From what we have seen of Joe in particular, I cannot imagine him having the same issues. Hopefully he and Kendra will find they have similar sexual preferences.

I'm not sure that Josh and Anna truly had similar preferences, but I'm also not sure that Josh's sexual appetite fits what is "acceptable" within a fundie marriage either.

[Sew Sumi]

On 3/31/2018 at 2:35 AM, Barb23 said:

Sorry, having trouble quoting.

Sew - do the flight plans you get state the pilot's name even tho we know it's JD?  Does it say Duggar Air?   I can imagine JD & Joshley still having some  awkwardness between them which must leave lulls in their conversation while flying.  JD was upset when Joshley's antics were exposed & I don't see him forgetting them so quickly & making sweet like other family members have been told to do by Ma & Pa.  I'm hoping he has thoughts of opening the plane door & giving Joshley a good push out when they are up in the sky. 

Yes, the plane is registered to Duggar Aviation. All of that information is included on each flight notice. 

[Sew Sumi]

Smuggars and kids also spotted at Magnolia, as were many other Duggars, including I Do Nothing Mechelle. Scuzi for the pic of Smuggar. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Sew Sumi

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Smuggars and kids also spotted at Magnolia, as were many other Duggars, including I Do Nothing Mechelle. Scuzi for the pic of Smuggar. 

I'd love to know what/if Chip and Joanna even think about the Duggars essentially acting as unofficial spokespeople for everything Magnolia.

I keep waiting for a cease and desist letter to arrive from the Gaines' attorney to them all, except for Jana. 

How great would it be if Jana was the only one allowed in the shop? What a reward for being stuck as CinderJana!

I've only seen 10 minutes of their show, but I do know what shiplap is and what their general aesthetic is when it comes to decorating. I like Joanna's style, but I get really nervous at the idea of so much white... and it's just me living in my place!

[GeeGolly]

I realize that Josh was on this trip, but that photo of them all sitting down for lunch emphasizes Ben being that husband. No matter where Jessa goes he always seems to be there.

@Bridget, Chip and Jo share very similar beliefs to the Duggars with some modern adaptations, they just keep their judgmental side on the down low. Jo's sister was on an episode and her family, other than the husband having a decent income, could have passed as a Duggar family.

[Bridget]

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I realize that Josh was on this trip, but that photo of them all sitting down for lunch emphasizes Ben being that husband. No matter where Jessa goes he always seems to be there.

@Bridget, Chip and Jo share very similar beliefs to the Duggars with some modern adaptations, they just keep their judgmental side on the down low. Jo's sister was on an episode and her family, other than the husband having a decent income, could have passed as a Duggar family.

Thx for the info! I'm dying to find the episode with Jo's sister in it now - YouTube, here I comd!

I kind of suspected as much re: similar belief systems from the random articles I've read about C&J, as well as brief interviews I've read in People magazine AKA "my bible."

I know C & J are not as overt as the Duggars about their personal beliefs when it comes to their public lives being on display. I wonder if they made that choice themselves or if someone, such as a business partner or investor, suggested that they keep it on the down low.