Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[sATL]

Josh is working ???

"A copy of the subpoena shows that Josh was served at his workplace in Siloam Springs, Arkansas on March 13."  (link)

"There was a time when that outcome would have been all but guaranteed, but the Duggars have survived so many controversies over the past two years they're probably feeling bulletproof these days."

---> everyone's luck eventually does run out.

Edited March 23, 2017 by sATL

[Fuzzysox]

10 hours ago, SMama said:

Darn, just when he thought his slimy past was forgotten. 

Never  with our elephant memories that we possess. lol

[Mollie]

33 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Oh, don't forget the poor kids who need school lunches. Get a fucking job, kiddo! (I know what is meant, but still, that's cold). I was a TA at a Catholic elementary school in which most, if not all, of the kids' parents worked, but still qualified under state standards for school lunches. By law, they didn't have to, but they provided those kids a hot lunch every day. 

So yeah Joshie, most of them HAVE jobs. Some even have TWO, or are going to school at night to better themselves. Don't mess with kids, asshole. Fuck off. 

Think about all of the government-subsidized medical assistance premature baby Josie got when she was born.  I guess Josh didn't agree with that government handout either. 

[SMama]

Maybe I'm wrong but has Boob denied Miracle Licker received government assistance? I would not put it past him, even though we all know it happened. Freaking hypocrites.

[Mollie]

11 minutes ago, sATL said:

Josh is working ???

"A copy of the subpoena shows that Josh was served at his workplace in Siloam Springs, Arkansas on March 13."  (link)

"There was a time when that outcome would have been all but guaranteed, but the Duggars have survived so many controversies over the past two years they're probably feeling bulletproof these days."

---> everyone's luck eventually does run out.

He sells used cars.  I think he works from home (the fixer-uper house they bought in Siloam Springs and moved in to when they left DC after the first scandal broke and Josh lost his job).

[Sew Sumi]

20 minutes ago, sATL said:

Josh is working ???

"A copy of the subpoena shows that Josh was served at his workplace in Sialom Springs, AR on March 13."  (link)

"There was a time when that outcome would have been all but guaranteed, but the Duggars have survived so many controversies over the past two years they're probably feeling bulletproof these days."

---> everyone's luck eventually does run out.

Guys, lest you forget, that was the location of the house that Smugs bought while in DC that got sold to a trust run by a lawyer friend of theirs (Travis Story, IIRC...Julie Story Smithson is Famy's BFF, tangled webs and all that). The lawnstrip car lot with the old non-Duggar car lot name(Champion?) is listed with a Springdale address (to Pastor Paul Caldwell - soon to be Caldwell-Duggar) is listed as its owner). There's a lot of shifting of assets going on around here, and what the hell is Smuggar doing out there unless they're actually living in the house? Selling those cars off the interwebz? 

Something is VERY FISHY about all of this. 

co-post with @Mollie, who seems to be the other half of my brain of late! LOL

Edited March 23, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[Mollie]

43 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Guys, lest you forget, that was the location of the house that Smugs bought while in DC that got sold to a trust run by a lawyer friend of theirs (Travis Story, IIRC...Julie Story Smithson is Famy's BFF, tangled webs and all that). The lawnstrip car lot with the old non-Duggar car lot name(Champion?) is listed with a Springdale address (to Pastor Paul Caldwell - soon to be Caldwell-Duggar) is listed as its owner). There's a lot of shifting of assets going on around here, and what the hell is Smuggar doing out there unless they're actually living in the house? Selling those cars off the interwebz? 

Something is VERY FISHY about all of this. 

co-post with @Mollie, who seems to be the other half of my brain of late! LOL

Travis Story was just the attorney who set up the trust.  The beneficiaries of the trust actually control the assets.  I think Josh and Anna still live in that house.  Anna's family came and helped them do some remodeling/repairs and posted the photos online.  Josh and Anna moved the title to the trust right after the Ashley Madison story broke and the day before Josh went off to exile (rehab).  The title of most of Jim Bob's properties are also in a trust. 

https://www.everplans.com/articles/all-you-need-to-know-about-trusts

Champion Motorcars is the name of Josh's old car lot before he moved to DC.  He may still be using that name because if you sell more than five cars a year in Arkansas, you have to have a dealer's license.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Mollie

[Sew Sumi]

Oh, I know about trusts, and how tightly Boob has his properties/assets tied up in them. What was odd about the trust w/r/t the Sialom Springs house is that another entity held it (if revocable, that could have changed). 

I remember the work the Howlers and Anna's family did on that house, but since Smuggar was in DC, I considered it a flip opportunity for him. Until Joshgate I happened. Once Joshgate II happened and the house disappeared into the trust, it was evident they were hiding something. That rings especially true now if they're actually living in the place. I think if someone was renting Smuggar office space, it would be known by now. The only way to know if he's working from the home is to cross-check addresses. However, I'm not the one to do it. I'm sure someone from FJ will be on the case. 

[EmeraldGirl]

What are any of them going to do if Jim Bob kicks it early? He's shady as fuck, but the guy is good at this stuff. 

I'm sure Michelle hasn't got a clue about how to do anything, and we know the men in the family are useless. Daddy/daddy-in-law has been carrying the whole lot of them (Jeremy excluded). The women folk are too busy growing their hair and being available for sex. I guess he's probably got all the shady evangelical lawyers in Arkansas lined up to take care of it, but even a few million won't take care of all 19 and their hundreds of kids. 

[BitterApple]

Wow, Josh has one hell of a nerve telling anyone to "get a job" considering his family received charity for years until the TLC Sugar Daddies stepped in. 

[Sew Sumi]

The Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar Trust will protect them. She's as wily as he is, so if anything happens, I'm sure the lawyer is on speed dial. Hopefully, JD will be around to help her as executor (no chicks allowed). I bet Smuggar was in that position until, well, everything.

eta: Unless the trust is set up as irrevocable, and Smuggar was named executor way back when. Then the family is in deep shit. I don't think Smuggar was ever very close to any of his siblings, being the Golden Child, but if Boob and Mechelle fucked up the trust, fur will fly. Especially with Jessa. She'll fight. 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[awaken]

FYI, Dave n' cil (keeps autocorrecting to cult!) have posted a congratulatory message to the new parents to be on twitter. Anything from the rest of the fam yet?  

[Sew Sumi]

Saw the Waller IG congrats earlier today, but that could have been Prissy. That said, the Wallers are very protective of their image, so it shows their support this farce of a marriage. As the face of ATI, along with ALERT, sponsors of the homeschool convention in about a month in Big Sandy, Waller can't do anything else, really. He has to stand on the principles that shaped the cult that they still follow, even if their head has been deposed. 

[Gweilo]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

It really is stunning, isn't it? You'd think that the sheer hypocrisy of it would hit you -- Wait, I'm signing up to cheat on a hard-working mom who trusts me, and yet I'm self-righteously condemning homeless people? Huh? Maybe I'd better have kinder thoughts about other people with problems...............But apparently irony is lost on Duggars. 

The Duggars think that irony is one of Jana's duties.

[Loves2Dance]

2 hours ago, Mollie said:

With this new lawsuit, Anna gets what she deserves for staying with this pervert for the past two years.  She knew that Josh's dating site fees, dates, and the lawsuit filed by the porn star Danica Dillon cost her thousands of dollars.  Anna may have made more money this year with her TLC appearances than Josh did selling used cars.  It's going to cost them a ton of money to settle this new lawsuit about stealing someone's identity and photo on the OK Cupid profile with those particular answers to questions.  (How would you feel if someone indicated that those answers were yours and posted your photo next to them?)

Anna was really stupid not to divorce Josh two years ago, when Josh made most of the money and she was basically a stay-at-home housewife/mom.  She's not going to get much in a divorce settlement now, plus she will be responsible for 1/2 the debts.  Not to mention that she deliberately decided to get pregnant again, knowing for over a year that this new lawsuit was coming.    

Regardless of what the settlement amounts to, all he'll have to do is file bankruptcy to avoid paying it. 

2 hours ago, Mollie said:

Think about all of the government-subsidized medical assistance premature baby Josie got when she was born.  I guess Josh didn't agree with that government handout either. 

It's pretty standard for the NICU to help set up SSDI for premature babies who are born with a lot of complications. They also go through Medicaid since she would qualify off health. It wouldn't surprise me if Josie received money for several years, if not longer. Boob could have turned it all down---but I doubt it. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

It really is stunning, isn't it? You'd think that the sheer hypocrisy of it would hit you -- Wait, I'm signing up to cheat on a hard-working mom who trusts me, and yet I'm self-righteously condemning homeless people? Huh? Maybe I'd better have kinder thoughts about other people with problems...............But apparently irony is lost on Duggars. 

And empathy.

It pissed me off when he didn't think homeless people deserved help nor kids who needed a school lunch. Get a job...coming from somebody who is unemployable and lives off the family teat?? Fucking hypocrite!

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, Loves2Dance said:

It's pretty standard for the NICU to help set up SSDI for premature babies who are born with a lot of complications. They also go through Medicaid since she would qualify off health. It wouldn't surprise me if Josie received money for several years, if not longer. Boob could have turned it all down---but I doubt it. 

The hospital social worker helps the families file for SSI which includes Medicaid.  That's because until the infant leaves the hospital they are considered institutionalized and family income and resources don't count.  Once the infant leaves the hospital parental income and resources are counted and in Josie's case, Medicaid and SSI payments would have ceased. 

[ginger90]

This would be too funny if it were his work place, just because of the name, INUENDOS Design Co. It's in that town.

[JoanArc]

I'm so glad Josh is being sued, but I have some sympathy for Joe and Joy. Unless Jim Bob wishes this into the cornfield with a quick payoff, it will dwarf their wedding coverage.

Isn't Josh technically homeless now? Maybe he should get a job. (So are Jill and Jessa - why are they all so proud of owning nothing? I believe 95% of all goods and property belong to Jim Bob - and they feign independence. Buy your own car, then we'll talk.)

Can we name the baby Malthus? He described what's happening to the Duggars, and was also a theologian, so it'd really chap Jessa's ass. Malthus Tel Aviv Duggar would probably give Jill a heart attack, too.

[LilJen]

12 hours ago, Mollie said:

Q: How often do you keep your promises?

A: Always

Q: Have you been faithful in all of your past relationships?

A: No

Gotta love the total lack of awareness shown with this contradiction.

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

He might actually be working for the twins who started flipping cars on the grass strip when Smugs was still in Jesus Jail. 

Although he helped build the TTH, I don't see him as one who retained, or was interested in anything he learned through those experiences. He also seems to be a reluctant mechanic. That's probably why his lot didn't really prosper, despite the name on the marquee (it was Duggar Automotive for some time), the first go-round. 

Some of the few parts of this show that I've actually watched are pieces of those early episodes where they were building the TTH. Josh was the big spokesperson for some of that, and all I could think was that I'd never seen a kid that age present himself with such arrogance and quite such an air of entitlement............

And when you think that those were filmed pretty soon after the whole molestation mess happened, the attitude he presents is even more stunning. Boob has a massive massive ego, and I think Josh inherited that plus more, plus got it reinforced by the way his stupid parents treated him -- like the second coming, more or less, I think.

Of course, when you've got that big an ego, I think it gets much bigger cracks in it, too, so his vulnerabilities are probably equally extreme. He's a huge mess, I'm sure -- but not somebody who is likely to identify with the rest of the world and learn anything, such as about the need to get a job, through empathy, unfortunately.

[LilJen]

14 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

How about:

Magistrate

Malfeasance

Misdemeanor? (Okay, it's a civil case, not criminal, but still.)

[asuwur]

11 hours ago, Mollie said:

With this new lawsuit, Anna gets what she deserves for staying with this pervert for the past two years.  She knew that Josh's dating site fees, dates, and the lawsuit filed by the porn star Danica Dillon cost her thousands of dollars.  Anna may have made more money this year with her TLC appearances than Josh did selling used cars.  It's going to cost them a ton of money to settle this new lawsuit about stealing someone's identity and photo on the OK Cupid profile with those particular answers to questions.  (How would you feel if someone indicated that those answers were yours and posted your photo next to them?)

Anna was really stupid not to divorce Josh two years ago, when Josh made most of the money and she was basically a stay-at-home housewife/mom.  She's not going to get much in a divorce settlement now, plus she will be responsible for 1/2 the debts.  Not to mention that she deliberately decided to get pregnant again, knowing for over a year that this new lawsuit was coming.    

I would say the same if we're talking about someone who'd had any sort of normal upbringing and exposure to the real world.....Anna has been brainwashed from her entrance into this world and it's a little unfair to judge her through any sort of normal lens. From the moment the news broke, she's been worked over and over and over. She had 4 little ones, he was away at Sinner Camp and she probably had limited access to money or anything else and I'm sure that was in stark comparison to the nice middle class life she appeared to enjoy in DC. It's not stupidity.....It's Stockholm Syndrome....

[Aja]

Josh's full OK Cupid questionnaire should be posted in response to every leghumper comment on their Facebook page. I'm so touched by how his servant's heart and love for Jesus shine through with every single answer. Poor Josh, so unfairly maligned for things he did when he was a wittle bitty teeny tiny innocent wittle fourteen year-old. Michelle and Jim Bob handled that perfectly, because look at how he turned out ten years on. The very picture of family values and redemption through God's love. Seriously, Anna, that's the fucking guy God picked for you? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? Because I have to say, if I prayed every day for a Godly headship and God sent me Josh, that would be grounds for leaving the cult right there.

[Guest]

It says he was served at his place of work and gives the address, but the street is blocked out.

[Aja]

13 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Don't mess with kids, asshole. Fuck off. 

They only care about kids before they're born. After they come out, fuck those little freeloaders.

[Mollie]

1 minute ago, heatherrrrz said:

It looks like an abandoned building ew

It's definitely a stepdown from his previous location on a busy street.  The previous lot was owned by Jim Bob and it was sold when Josh moved to D.C.  The new one is on a backroad between Siloam Springs and Tontitown.

[Mya]

15 hours ago, Mollie said:

Those answers are from the questions on his OK Cupid profile.  That's the dating site he was on in Arkansas before he moved to Washington DC, where he continued the profile until he started with Ashley Madison.  On the OK Cupid profile, he claimed to be single, though he was married to Anna at the time.  So, he was basically setting up women to have sex unknowingly with a married man.  That profile was removed when the Ashley Madison scandal broke, but here are some more of the questions and answers from his OK Cupid account:

Q: Regardless of future plans, what's more interesting to you right now?

A: Sex

Q: Which of these options most closely describes what you're looking for in your next relationship?

A: Someone for tonight

Q: What is the most exciting thing about getting to know someone new?

A: Discovering their body

Q: Do you feel there are any circumstances in which a person is obligated to have sex with you?

A: Yes

Q:  What's worse on a first date?

A:  No physical attraction

Q: Are you the type of person to tell a homeless person to get a job?

A: Yes

Q:  How do you feel about government-subsidized food programs (free lunch, food stamps, etc.)?

A: Never – Get a job

Q: How often do you keep your promises?

A: Always

Q: Are you happy with your life?

A: Yes

Q:  The idea of gay and lesbian couples having children is?

A:  Unacceptable

Q: Have you been faithful in all of your past relationships?

A: No

Q: Would you need to sleep with someone before you considered marrying them?

A: Yes

Q: Have you ever tried any sexual roleplaying, such as student/teacher or patient/nurse?

A: No but it sounds interesting

Q: In terms of birth order, which are you?

A: Oldest

This one truly stands out to me.  All of their Courtship rules and restrictions on physical closeness must of drove him crazy LOL literally.

[Mollie]

2 hours ago, asuwur said:

I would say the same if we're talking about someone who'd had any sort of normal upbringing and exposure to the real world.....Anna has been brainwashed from her entrance into this world and it's a little unfair to judge her through any sort of normal lens. From the moment the news broke, she's been worked over and over and over. She had 4 little ones, he was away at Sinner Camp and she probably had limited access to money or anything else and I'm sure that was in stark comparison to the nice middle class life she appeared to enjoy in DC. It's not stupidity.....It's Stockholm Syndrome....

Anna is not the naïve young woman she was when she married.  She is now two months shy of her 29th birthday.  She has been around the world and back, has learned about strip clubs, porn stars, child molestation, and adultery dating sites.  She's appeared on reality TV for nine solid years.  She's lived in a Washington D.C. suburb and hobnobbed with the political elite.  She communicates with siblings who don't share the Gothard cult philosophy.

But Anna has found herself at the center of attention for the past two years as she publicly plays the role of the long-suffering-martyr-wife.  She has received more attention from her in-laws than she ever did in the previous years of her marriage. She didn't have to appear on the Counting On show discussing her ordeal and tearing up at what she was "walking through."  She wanted to appear on the show and wanted to appear without Josh.

I think Anna thoroughly enjoys the fame and the glory – and the money she is making without Josh on the show and without playing his sidekick.  She also enjoys the newly-found power she has in her marriage, which increases with each new media report of Josh's scandals.  For example, what kind of baby announcement is this?

"For nearly the last two years, we have quietly worked to save our marriage, focus on our children, and rebuild our lives together as a family. Doing so is never easy after a breach of trust. We’ve learned that a life of faith and rebuilding a life together is simply done one day at a time. As we continue our journey as a family and rebuild our lives, we are delighted to share with you that we are expecting a new baby boy later this year. Beauty comes from ashes and we cannot wait to see and kiss the face of this sweet new boy!  - Josh & Anna"

Here, she gives Josh a big putdown for his "breach of trust."  She is saving the marriage with the beauty of birth from the ashes of Josh.  What kind of deviant personality writes such a disgusting birth announcement?  Her focus is on her own martyrdom rather than a new baby.

[Churchhoney]

47 minutes ago, heatherrrrz said:

It looks like an abandoned building ew

And to think that a couple of years ago he held a position in which he actually had leverage to affect how a country of over 300 million people is run. How the mighty have fallen. This has to hurt.

Good.

[SMama]

Do we know she authored that announcement? Or was it Boob's way of humiliating Josh.

[Mollie]

1 minute ago, SMama said:

Do we know she authored that announcement? Or was it Boob's way of humiliating Josh.

It was signed "Josh & Anna", but was posted on the Duggar Family Blog.  I imagine it was posted with their approval on the wording.

[Aja]

17 minutes ago, Mollie said:

What kind of deviant personality writes such a disgusting birth announcement?  Her focus is on her own martyrdom rather than a new baby.

A personality who REEEEEEEEEEEALLY wants to be on TV.

[sometimesy]

3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I'm so glad Josh is being sued, but I have some sympathy for Joe and Joy. Unless Jim Bob wishes this into the cornfield with a quick payoff, it will dwarf their wedding coverage.

Isn't Josh technically homeless now? Maybe he should get a job. (So are Jill and Jessa - why are they all so proud of owning nothing? I believe 95% of all goods and property belong to Jim Bob - and they feign independence. Buy your own car, then we'll talk.)

Can we name the baby Malthus? He described what's happening to the Duggars, and was also a theologian, so it'd really chap Jessa's ass. Malthus Tel Aviv Duggar would probably give Jill a heart attack, too.

19 Kids was about to fold. The entire show was stale and then Josh happened and they were back in the spotlight. Joy and Joe are already dull and they managed to dilute any interest by choosing uninteresting partners. I don't even know how they would carry the segments between Bin and his production driven sports camps/rapping and Jinger in the city.

This will help the show. It's not as earth shattering as the other Josh revelations, but "there is no such thing as bad publicity".

[Nysha]

14 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Here, she gives Josh a big putdown for his "breach of trust."  She is saving the marriage with the beauty of birth from the ashes of Josh.  What kind of deviant personality writes such a disgusting birth announcement?  Her focus is on her own martyrdom rather than a new baby.

 

Jim Bob, her dad, a TLC intern...I sincerely doubt either Josh or Anna wrote that announcement. While I think it's moronic and irresponsible to have a baby in order to save your marriage or prove that it is strong, it's done all the time by smarter people than Josh and Anna. 

I don't know Anna, so all I can go by is what I see on TV. To me, she's never really looked that comfortable being filmed. I think her life dream was to have a husband who could provide a better home than the one she grew up in, and for her to concentrate on having, raising, and schooling her babies. Her kids always look well cared for and loved, as opposed to the Duggar younglings who look feral and lost. I'm not going to judge her by what I'd do, because I think the stuff we don't see is so much worse than we think.

[Aja]

Read any account from any woman who managed to extricate herself from the Gothard cult and you'll get a pretty good idea of where Anna is at. There are plenty of them out there, and it's heartbreaking stuff, but it's also up to Anna to pull her head out of her ass.

[amitville]

10 hours ago, Absolom said:

The hospital social worker helps the families file for SSI which includes Medicaid.  That's because until the infant leaves the hospital they are considered institutionalized and family income and resources don't count.  Once the infant leaves the hospital parental income and resources are counted and in Josie's case, Medicaid and SSI payments would have ceased. 

Never new that .  Thank you

[Lunera]

[SMama]

Nothing better than bulky clothing around a body of water, especially the unnecesary tights under an already modest dress. I'll give them points for the crappy PFDs, although I would not use one of those on my child. Yes I'm cranky, had surgery a week and a half ago, but still hurting. Sorry to be cranky and snarky. 

[EmeraldGirl]

Anna certainly managed to take on Josh's smugness and arrogance. The meek church mouse was gone, and this gal was all about Josh and his disgusting new job. I remember thinking before the fall that she was bugging the crap outta me with her attitude. 

But yeah, she does seem into her kids, and they seem clean and smart. I wonder if Michelle started that way too? How many kids can you have before you don't give a crap anymore and start the buddy system? Anna was always on that road anyway because she never shut up about having more babies. Even when she was holding a baby. 

Josh is a Jekyll and Hyde. He's all about the sex, and even admits that getting married before it is stupid. But then back rears the other guy - judgemental, prudish, gross. At least Dr. Jekyll was a good guy before he drank the potion. 

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, Fallacy said:

I honestly don't get the lawsuit. Catfishing goes on all the time on the internet with people using other people's pictures as their own. Is Josh getting sued because he's famous and seems to have the money? I'm asking because I watched MTV's show "Catfish," and nobody ever mentioned possible lawsuits. To be clear, I'm not defending Josh at all; I'm just curious as to why this is a civil suit situation. 

ETA: So the plaintiff is claiming loss of work, public harassment, and pain and suffering, which tells me, yes, Josh is getting sued because he's famous. I'm guessing they'll settle but I think the plaintiff is just cashing in on Josh's stupidity, which is fine. 

If  he can prove he lost money/his rep took a hit because his identity was stolen and pic used by someone with name recognition I think this is a very valuable lawsuit.  What if some jackhole used your pic and he turned out to be a child molester?  Like Josh.  The cherry on top is that Josh's family has money.  I think it would be worthwhile regardless of his alleged wealth.  It is fraud.

[doodlebug]

3 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

If  he can prove he lost money/his rep took a hit because his identity was stolen and pic used by someone with name recognition I think this is a very valuable lawsuit.  What if some jackhole used your pic and he turned out to be a child molester?  Like Josh.  The cherry on top is that Josh's family has money.  I think it would be worthwhile regardless of his alleged wealth.  It is fraud.

For that matter, it is BECAUSE Josh has some fame and money that this poor guy suffered far more economic loss and embarrassment than he would have if Josh was unknown.  Therefore, it makes sense that someone like Josh, who got far more attention from the media than most other Ashley Madison clients, is going to have to pay a steeper price for dragging an innocent victim into his mess.

[Mollie]

26 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

For that matter, it is BECAUSE Josh has some fame and money that this poor guy suffered far more economic loss and embarrassment than he would have if Josh was unknown.  Therefore, it makes sense that someone like Josh, who got far more attention from the media than most other Ashley Madison clients, is going to have to pay a steeper price for dragging an innocent victim into his mess.

Even if the settlement is zero, you can bet that Josh will have to pay a ton of money to his attorneys.  

[GeeGolly]

I believe Josh used his own pics on Ashley Madison and stole this guys pic for OK Cupid.

I see a few problems with this case. One is it's hard to prove any loss of income or a damaged reputation is due to Josh representing this guy as himself. Another problem I see is that Josh's family having money helps Josh, not the man suing them. Josh had good lawyers and didn't back down with the Danica(?) lawsuit and he may not with this one. And JB & M can't be held responsible, financially or otherwise, for Josh's wrong doing. And lastly Josh likely does not have any assets and you can't get blood from a rock. OJ Simpson still has not paid any significant money to the Goldmans.

[Natalie68]

9 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I believe Josh used his own pics on Ashley Madison and stole this guys pic for OK Cupid.

I see a few problems with this case. One is it's hard to prove any loss of income or a damaged reputation is due to Josh representing this guy as himself. Another problem I see is that Josh's family having money helps Josh, not the man suing them. Josh had good lawyers and didn't back down with the Danica(?) lawsuit and he may not with this one. And JB & M can't be held responsible, financially or otherwise, for Josh's wrong doing. And lastly Josh likely does not have any assets and you can't get blood from a rock. OJ Simpson still has not paid any significant money to the Goldmans.

It may be an uphill battle but its a win for a couple of reasons.  It brings the bad publicity and bad behavior of Josh back into the limelight and if he does win maybe Josh's future earnings could be attached.  Not a lawyer but could all the property movement from Josh to the trust be seen as concealing assets in a lawsuit?  That all started once the shit started hitting the fan.

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

It may be an uphill battle but its a win for a couple of reasons.  It brings the bad publicity and bad behavior of Josh back into the limelight and if he does win maybe Josh's future earnings could be attached.  Not a lawyer but could all the property movement from Josh to the trust be seen as concealing assets in a lawsuit?  That all started once the shit started hitting the fan.

I'm not a lawyer either but I think in addition to guidelines there are many loopholes for hiding assets. Josh had no idea this man was going to sue him when he shuffled all his stuff so I think it would be hard to prove.

[doodlebug]

15 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

It may be an uphill battle but its a win for a couple of reasons.  It brings the bad publicity and bad behavior of Josh back into the limelight and if he does win maybe Josh's future earnings could be attached.  Not a lawyer but could all the property movement from Josh to the trust be seen as concealing assets in a lawsuit?  That all started once the shit started hitting the fan.

It's true that it appears Josh doesn't have many assets, but good lawyers can demand an investigation into where the money he got from TLC went.  Granted, it might be tough to recover much, but JB may be willing to talk settlement in order to keep the family finances private.  OJ was able to sock most of his money into pension plans which couldn't be touched in the event of a judgment and then didn't work at a paying job again before going to prison.  Josh doesn't have that luxury, he couldn't retire at his age, he couldn't possibly have earned enough to put enough into a pension fund to support himself and his family for the duration. 

Since Josh has worked at family businesses as well as for TLC as part of a family group for much of his working life; he's risking exposure of the whole family's financial shenanigans.  Even if he never collected a paycheck from either enterprise; a judge can demand to look at the family books and determine how much income Josh was responsible for earning.

If Josh' lawyers can demonstrate that he hid his income in order to avoid legal consequences, they would be able to collect damages for that, too.

Edited March 23, 2017 by doodlebug

[Natalie68]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

I'm not a lawyer either but I think in addition to guidelines there are many loopholes for hiding assets. Josh had no idea this man was going to sue him when he shuffled all his stuff so I think it would be hard to prove.

I am hoping that the little guy wins in this one but it IS an uphill battle.  I would like the Duggars, specifically Josh Duggar, outed in a mainstream way as the grifting, hypocritical, asshat, frauds they/he are.  

Just now, doodlebug said:

It's true that it appears Josh doesn't have many assets, but good lawyers can demand an investigation into where the money he got from TLC went.  Granted, it might be tough to recover much, but JB may be willing to talk settlement in order to keep the family finances private.  OJ was able to sock most of his money into pension plans which couldn't be touched in the event of a judgment and then didn't work at a paying job again before going to prison.  Josh doesn't have that luxury, he couldn't retire at his age, he couldn't possibly have earned enough to put enough into a pension fund to support himself and his family for the duration.

If Josh' lawyers can demonstrate that he hid his income in order to avoid legal consequences, they would be able to collect damages for that, too.

Its not just the TLC money but also the FRC money and any interview/baby birthin' money (photos etc).  That was a pretty good salary (who am I kidding, very good salary!).  I am trying to remember when the Danica lawsuit and moving of assets took place.  I think they were sort of close together but I could be wrong.

[JoanArc]

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Since Josh has worked at family businesses as well as for TLC as part of a family group for much of his working life; he's risking exposure of the whole family's financial shenanigans.

If this is the case, Boob will settle in a heartbeat.

[GeeGolly]

A judge can order an employer to turn over all their financial records if their employee is sued? Yikes.