Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[MunichNark]

They both have put on so much weight, they must eat a ton of unhealthy stuff - ususally you would not be able to gain weight that fast. Only goes to show how stressed they are.

Still, they are both bloody adults, so take responsibility for once in your fucking lives and ACT on it. If you're that unhappy, leave, change, do something.

[becca3891]

On 10/3/2016 at 7:48 PM, Zella said:

I suspect this too. I went to college with some very sheltered fundies who didn't know what porn really was. In what may have been the most awkward group project ever about pop culture,  some of these girls labeled some extremely tame pg-13 sex scene "porn, " and I had to explain to them what porn really was. They thought I was degenerate and were confused why I didn't agree that whatever we were talking about was porn.  One of them was getting married in a month. 

 

8 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Anna already has changed from the happy bright girl to a younger version of a broken and stunned Michelle, with the different twist that you can tell that Boob loves his wife a lot more than Smuggar loves her. As odious as  Jim Bob is, I don't believe he has ever strayed from his wife. If he has, he ain't tellin'.

That is very apt. As much as I can't stand Boob, and to a lesser extent Gil Bates, both do adore their wives and show it. Chad Paine, I actually like and he more than dotes on Erin. That's what Anna is missing and it must be a bitter pill to swallow when she's tried so hard to do everything right. 

48 minutes ago, MunichNark said:

They both have put on so much weight, they must eat a ton of unhealthy stuff - ususally you would not be able to gain weight that fast. Only goes to show how stressed they are.

Still, they are both bloody adults, so take responsibility for once in your fucking lives and ACT on it. If you're that unhappy, leave, change, do something.

Josh and Anna? Last I knew, she was quite thin and Josh has been pudgy for years, but is hardly morbidly obese. Not sure where you're going with that. And to glibly say Anna should just leave, when that's almost akin to suicide in their belief system, is oversimplifying things, in my opinion. She has no skills and will lose all her family and friends if she leaves. She's extremely ignorant and has been brainwashed since birth that divorce is the worst thing imaginable. I feel badly for her.

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, MunichNark said:

They both have put on so much weight, they must eat a ton of unhealthy stuff - ususally you would not be able to gain weight that fast. Only goes to show how stressed they are.

Still, they are both bloody adults, so take responsibility for once in your fucking lives and ACT on it. If you're that unhappy, leave, change, do something.

They should, but I doubt that they agree at all about where they would go and what they would do if they left. I expect Josh would want to leave the whole shebang entirely, except for the fact that he is too lazy, uneducated, stupid and cowardly to earn an actual living on his own. While I expect that Anna's still utterly in the thrall of the fundie-Gothard lifestyle and would only want to be on their own so they could be the perfect fundie family again with all the old perqs, such as the ones that had in DC.

If they do want completely different things, but they both are afraid to split up, they're pretty much trapped (albeit in large part because they've trapped themselves). Especially since talking things through and trying to find a third path acceptable to everybody is clearly not the Duggar way.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Marigold]

I agree.  I don tthink Anna and Josh will stay married forever. 

Anna was expecting Josh 2008 to come home from Pray Camp and maybe Josh was hoping that he would change also.  Then he came home and is still married to Anna, has 4 kids and is trapped in Duggarville...and is still unhappy. 

Thier life must be so miserable together. I used to think they were going to do a Redmeption Tour and write a book.  Now I'm not so sure.  

I still think Anna will leave one day.  Quietly.  She will get disillusioned when Josh wasn't reborn and her life is worse than hell with that Vile Pig. She is already being treated like Cinderella by the genetic Duggars, not on camera anymore and Josh hasn't changed. Aside from whatever money JB deposits in her account, not much to stick around for anymore. 

[tabloidlover]

It's been mentioned a few times that the Duggars treat Anna like Cinderella and have her do all the dirty work.  I feel like I missed something somewhere.  Anyone want to help me out?  Not that I doubt it at all, I'm just wanting to read where it came from and what exactly it said.  Thanks in advance!!

[sometimesy]

2 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

It's been mentioned a few times that the Duggars treat Anna like Cinderella and have her do all the dirty work.  I feel like I missed something somewhere.  Anyone want to help me out?  Not that I doubt it at all, I'm just wanting to read where it came from and what exactly it said.  Thanks in advance!!

Yeah, I'm lost as well. Is this taking place at the TTH? Why would she be involved in cleaning JB and DQ house? 

[Marigold]

3 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

It's been mentioned a few times that the Duggars treat Anna like Cinderella and have her do all the dirty work.  I feel like I missed something somewhere.  Anyone want to help me out?  Not that I doubt it at all, I'm just wanting to read where it came from and what exactly it said.  Thanks in advance!!

A few months ago, there was a typical Duggar birthday video for Anna.  In it, Joy and Jana (I think Jinger too) got on a little rant about how much Anna helps around the house, how she does all the tasks that no one else wants to do etc.  It was all about her cleaning and helping.  Nothing nice about who Anna is as a person or or mother or SIL or whatever. 

It is nice to say that she helps out...BUT, it was way over the top.  I felt sad that the only nice thing they could say to their SIL is that she cleans things no one else wants to clean? WTF is that?  Very snotty Duggar girl attitude problem, if you ask me. 

I will see if I can find the link later. 

1 hour ago, sometimesy said:

Yeah, I'm lost as well. Is this taking place at the TTH? Why would she be involved in cleaning JB and DQ house? 

I assume it was when she was staying there while Josh was at Pray Camp. Guess she had to earn her keep? 

[louannems]

On Anna's birthday, while Joshua was still in Pray Camp, the kidults made a birthday video.  They all praised her for taking on the really dirty tasks that no one else cared to do. It was posted on the official Duggar Facebook.

[Marigold]

i think Anna is used as a prop for the cameras.  When the cameras are rolling, they are all huggy and lovey with Anna, standing with Josh during this time of crisis. That video told us ALL we needed to know about their real relationship. 

[whydoiwatch]

During Joshgate 1 Anna repeatedly said she had been told everything about JoshUa's past, even stating the police report revealed nothing new to her.  She was so proud of landing what she considered fundy royalty and was so damned arrogant I couldn't stand to watch any scenes she was in. The Smugglers lived a lifestyle in DC that in no way was deserved and when they crashed and burned I did not feel sorry for them. Her sheltered upbringing and supposed belief system are no excuse for continuing to have babies with that swine husband. There is no way she is done having kids with him and she has to know at some level that he will never change.

[BitterApple]

5 minutes ago, Marigold said:

i think Anna is used as a prop for the cameras.  When the cameras are rolling, they are all huggy and lovey with Anna, standing with Josh during this time of crisis. That video told us ALL we needed to know about their real relationship. 

I think you hit the nail on the head. Aside from maybe Jana, I don't think any of the sisters are close with Anna. Given that she's married to their molester, I wouldn't blame them if they felt more comfortable distancing themselves, but it has to be a very lonely life. If the only thing your in-laws compliment you on is your willingness to do the scut work, that pretty much lets you know where you rank in the hierarchy.

If this video was made during the time Josh was in Jesus Jail, Anna's cleaning the TTH wouldn't surprise me. I don't think she's dirty and nasty like the Duggars. She probably couldn't stand living in filth and grabbed the nearest mop and container of bleach.

[Sew Sumi]

Anna's birthday is in June, so Smuggles had been out of Jesus Jail for a few months when that awful video was made. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, louannems said:

On Anna's birthday, while Joshua was still in Pray Camp, the kidults made a birthday video.  They all praised her for taking on the really dirty tasks that no one else cared to do. It was posted on the official Duggar Facebook.

I'm assuming all the things no one else wanted to do meant that Bin no longer scrubbed the toilets, plus she gets the joyful job of washing Smuggar's underpants...ugh! I just threw up in my mouth!

[Aja]

2 hours ago, whydoiwatch said:

During Joshgate 1 Anna repeatedly said she had been told everything about JoshUa's past, even stating the police report revealed nothing new to her.  

IF that's the truth--i.e. IF she was told in no uncertain terms that Josh molested his sisters--and she married him and immediately started birthing his babies anyway, she's a special kind of sick.

[lookeyloo]

She was just a kid herself.  Sheltered.  They probably sold it as all he needs is a wife and that can be his outlet.  And he was just experimenting.  And they were sleeping.  And it was over clothes.  And they forgave him.   I'm pretty sure she didn't research sibling molestations.  

[BitterApple]

I think if Boob came clean to Anna and her father he gave them the most sanitized, G-rated version of events possible. He may not have included the fact that the youngest victim was 5 and that there numerous incidents taking place over two years. 

[RedDelicious]

I have to say, the Smuggar wedding episode is probably my favorite. It's so awesomely bad. Boob and the sandwiches, Jill had braces, Jana sews and Josh sings. Anna rides away in a Saab and probably thinks she hit the jackpot. I kind of wish I could watch it again.

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, Aja said:

IF that's the truth--i.e. IF she was told in no uncertain terms that Josh molested his sisters--and she married him and immediately started birthing his babies anyway, she's a special kind of sick.

I think Anna was directed to say that so it looked like she knew everything and still loved him and you should too!

Anna might've known a few minor porn details.  No way they disclosed all that to her and the police reports etc.  

[Rabbittron]

They should name this baby Marriage Cementing Duggar.

[kokapetl]

On 04/10/2016 at 8:40 AM, GeeGolly said:

I was not sheltered when growing up. But as a young 20ish non virgin I thought oral sex was talking dirty to one another. I can only imagine what some of these young ladies don't know.

Oral sex didn't become mainstream until porno movies became widespread. Porn has changed sex. Physical pleasure is now secondary to visual pleasure. Younger people are mimicking pornos and are unconsciously "performing". 

[tabloidlover]

7 hours ago, Marigold said:

A few months ago, there was a typical Duggar birthday video for Anna.  In it, Joy and Jana (I think Jinger too) got on a little rant about how much Anna helps around the house, how she does all the tasks that no one else wants to do etc.  It was all about her cleaning and helping.  Nothing nice about who Anna is as a person or or mother or SIL or whatever. 

It is nice to say that she helps out...BUT, it was way over the top.  I felt sad that the only nice thing they could say to their SIL is that she cleans things no one else wants to clean? WTF is that?  Very snotty Duggar girl attitude problem, if you ask me. 

I will see if I can find the link later. 

I assume it was when she was staying there while Josh was at Pray Camp. Guess she had to earn her keep? 

 

7 hours ago, louannems said:

On Anna's birthday, while Joshua was still in Pray Camp, the kidults made a birthday video.  They all praised her for taking on the really dirty tasks that no one else cared to do. It was posted on the official Duggar Facebook.

Thank you!!  It must have been one of the birthday videos that I just couldn't bring myself to watch.  So very sad.

[WescottF1]

Guy posted an AMA on Reddit about his recent experience at a marriage retreat that was also attended by Boob, Mooch, Smuggar, and Anna...

https://www.reddit.com/r/19KidsandCounting/comments/55nyoa/spent_this_past_weekend_with_the_duggars_jimbob/?st=ITURI36H&sh=a40fc7b3&compact=true

Edited October 6, 2016 by WescottF1

[yogi2014L]

1 hour ago, WescottF1 said:

Guy posted an AMA on Reddit about his recent experience at a marriage retreat that was also attended by Boob, Mooch, Smuggar, and Anna...

https://www.reddit.com/r/19KidsandCounting/comments/55nyoa/spent_this_past_weekend_with_the_duggars_jimbob/?st=ITURI36H&sh=a40fc7b3&compact=true

OMG THANK YOU!!!!!!!

[Minivanessa]

This is being discussed over in the Duggars in the Media and TLC topic, fyi. Including opinions that it sounds authentic, and reservations that it's  actually authentic and not just a very skillful hoax.

[yogi2014L]

12 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

This is being discussed over in the Duggars in the Media and TLC topic, fyi. Including opinions that it sounds authentic, and reservations that it's  actually authentic and not just a very skillful hoax.

I just read through the whole thing. Jurys out for me whether its real or fake, but I can see it being real. 

Apparently the Duggars ignored anna the whole time, women be crazy ( he said it was like a contest for who is the most religious) and that he doesn't really believe in any of that stuff but doesn't want to lose custody of his kids  so he's being dragged along for the ride.

he also said Joy and Josiah showed up to help out with stuff ( cooking ect) on one of the days

***He also said that he didnt want to throw shit at Josh because he seemed nice enough in person. albeit a little narcissistic. WTF?

Edited October 6, 2016 by yogi2014L

[FakeJoshDuggar]

On 9/19/2016 at 3:42 PM, yogi2014L said:

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[Scarlett45]

On 10/4/2016 at 3:00 PM, Marigold said:

No, not unpopular.  I can agree with this too.  i think it's a mix of both of our posts. 

Jim Bob and Michelle really BELIEVED that Josh was gonna be good.  But deep down, every parent knows...like knows who their child is. You want to believe but there is always that tiny voice in the back of your mind, worrying that "it" will happen again. 

Maybe Anna was a little "insurance policy" that Josh was better and let's just keep him better.  Get him a wife, some sex and get his head straight and things will be OK, right?     Right?  josh is gonna be OK, right?  he HAS to be Ok, right.  yeah, he will be just fine.  Look, he is doing fine.  Anna is a nice girl.  he will be fine.  This is just what he needed. yes, we are good. 

Jim Bob certainly thought that marrying young, to a sweet girl, might be what he needs to keep him out of trouble, ya know?  Jim Bob has a limited understanding of porn, sexual molestation etc.  Nothing a wife can't cure, right?  

In any event, poor Anna. This girl knew nothing. She never had a chance. Josh is a used car salesman and so is Jim Bob.  They sold her a lemon. 

Back in the day, when I had first heard the rumors, I thought it was something along the lines of "Josh made out/fondled a teenage girl CONSENTUALLY and had a wild streak." I did think they married him to Anna at the right bold age of 20 because they knew he wouldn't stay celibate and they would have a woman showing up on their door step with a nose ring, a sleeve tattoo and a metal guitar saying she was pregnant with Josh's baby, and ruining the brand. 

We now know my thoughts were way off. Assuming I was right though, they married Anna to Josh to keep him in line. Knowing what we know now it was an even worse idea, and JB/Michelle were absolutely focused on their brand and not the well being of Josh much less Anna!

[Arwen Evenstar]

I think, in their naive way, they believe that marriage cures everything: Smuggley's midnight maraudering, porn addiction, "the gay".  All they did was they facilitated  the facade of respectability by providing the only acceptable "out" in Fundieland -- marriage.  Sort of like back in the day, convents and monasteries often became repositories for prominent families to hide scandal, their mentally ill, and homosexuals. Finding some vocation or purpose with The Church was always seen as 'respectable".

[Lemur]

8 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I think, in their naive way, they believe that marriage cures everything: Smuggley's midnight maraudering, porn addiction, "the gay".  All they did was they facilitated  the facade of respectability by providing the only acceptable "out" in Fundieland -- marriage.  Sort of like back in the day, convents and monasteries often became repositories for prominent families to hide scandal, their mentally ill, and homosexuals. Finding some vocation or purpose with The Church was always seen as 'respectable".

"But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion."

[Marigold]

Yes, very old school thinking that we don't see too much anymore.  Marriage cures everything!  Jim Bob is living in another century and really believed that Josh's little problem would be all better with Anna, who would be a good wife. 

No one thought about poor Anna stuck with this freak. Or what if marriage didn't fix Josh? 

Very sad all around for so many people involved. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

11 hours ago, Lemur said:

"But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion."

Yes, and there's that,too! 

[Malvina]

[Rabbittron]

Just reading what was written on the photo is a big Fuck you Internet because we know that you don't spend quality time with the kids and grandchildren just quality Fuck you Internet photos. 

[Rabbittron]

They will not adopt because of the sin of the father but what about the sins of the birth father of the kids. Do they not count because he is in their life?

[CarolMK]

Since they are all so young, I really hope that Josh and Anna's kids don't find out all that stuff about their dad until they reach adulthood, if ever. Since the Duggars don't let their kids on social media and they homeschool, chances are they never will find out. The show will likely be off the air in a couple of years.

I don't think Josh and Anna are living with the Duggars either. Jana said on the most recent Counting On episode that Anna was visiting and didn't live too far away. They probably moved when he came back from the rehab camp last spring.

[GeeGolly]

I agree that its sad that these kids have Joshes effed-uppedness hanging over their heads. I believe they will find out. The adult Duggars do use the internet, as do the Bates. Something so innocent as typing in their own name will bring up pages and pages of negative articles on their dad and family. I hope their parents tell them even a skewed story of what happened so at least they're not totally shocked.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree that its sad that these kids have Joshes effed-uppedness hanging over their heads. I believe they will find out. The adult Duggars do use the internet, as do the Bates. Something so innocent as typing in their own name will bring up pages and pages of negative articles on their dad and family. I hope their parents tell them even a skewed story of what happened so at least they're not totally shocked.

Plus, they'll be dragged to numerous Gothardy and other cult-y events with the likeminded over the years. And the kids of the likeminded will tell them. Cruelly, for the most part. Because there are kids who'll do that in every group of kids that ever existed.

[Rabbittron]

They will tell the kids it is all lies and people who were jealous made up those stories about them because we were on tv and they weren't. 

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

They will tell the kids it is all lies and people who were jealous made up those stories about them because we were on tv and they weren't. 

Oh those haters.

[Churchhoney]

8 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

They will tell the kids it is all lies and people who were jealous made up those stories about them because we were on tv and they weren't. 

And though the first generation of Duggar offspring would have bought that hook, line and sinker, I have a feeling that enough doubt may have crept in for the M kids that they won't believe it. Seems to me they'll feel the shakiness of their parents and that at least Josh and maybe even Anna won't quite have the heart and the lunacy to brainwash as effectively as JB and M have done.

The cults tend to weaken their grip in further generations, right? I'm sorry that the mean kids will give the M kids pain. But regardless of that, I think that the truth is the only thing that can set them free.

[Lillybee]

Poor Joshie, he must be so unhappy because he can not campaign for Trump. I bet he admires Trump and want to be just like Trump.

[Malvina]

[AnnieBeez]

2 hours ago, Malvina said:

Are they in an RV?

[JoanArc]

Olive Garden takeout! OMG they read my post! It's how there gonna cater Cringe's wedding!

 

But seriously, how frugal.

[ariel]

9 hours ago, Lillybee said:

I bet he admires Trump and want to be just like Trump.

In some ways, Josh has been like Trump.

[sheshark]

"We don't allow the children to sit on the boy's laps" Michelle???

[riverblue22]

50 minutes ago, sheshark said:

"We don't allow the children to sit on the boy's laps" Michelle???

But...that was when there were more J'slaves to mother the littles.  Now that Jill, Jess, and Jinger are busy elsewhere, someone has to watch the babies while Michelle tends to her own important business.

[laurakaye]

What in tarnation is that colossal mess behind them?  It does look like they're in an RV...and they get Olive Garden take-out when they go camping?  WTH?  I don't know how many mouths they're feeding, but that's some pricey take-out.

That type of mess in a small space would drive me completely bonkers.  I'd never be able to go road-tripping with this family.

2 hours ago, sheshark said:

"We don't allow the children to sit on the boy's laps" Michelle???

HOLD. UP.  Did she really say this?  Is this a Duggar rule?  Designed to what...make young boys feel like they will do something wrong if a baby sits on their lap?  Or make them think that because they are boys, they are inherently dangerous in some way?  What the crap kind of message is this to give her sons??  So what are they supposed to think when they have children of their own? 

I can't even.....wow.

Edited October 14, 2016 by laurakaye

[DangerousMinds]

Yes, she definitely said that.

[laurakaye]

I cannot imagine telling my young son that he could not hold his baby sister.  This makes my blood boil.

Those two clowns have irreparably damaged all of their children.

Edited October 14, 2016 by laurakaye