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hoosier80
hoosier80

New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

My ass should have its own zip code but I loves me some making fun of Joshley Madison's moobs.

You know Anna's pregnant. Question: When will the breathlessly written, adorably photographed story be run in US or People? "BABY JOY: ANNA FORGIVES JOSH! "NOBODY'S PERFECT," SHE SAYS." I'm in for two weeks or less.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

That scene on the show was filmed sometime in May. If knocked up, she'd be huge by now. It would also mean that she got knocked up maybe a month after Joshley returned from Jesus Jail. I'm still thinking it's a food baby; she's had that look between babies before, and people were speculating without cause then. 

Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

I really, really hope she's just been eating too much of Joshley's diet, and that's it. It means she's fallen back into old patterns with him, but it would also mean that she's not carrying the Band-Aid baby. 

However, if she DID get knocked up almost immediately upon Joshley's return, and that's the last thing Joshley wanted, it could explain his amazingly rapid weight gain. I just hope this isn't the case, and that Joshley is merely overindulging in foods that weren't available in Jesus Jail.

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Clemgo3165

Clemgo3165

16 hours ago, Absolom said:

Ana should only be getting pregnant now or in the next few months if her previous pattern holds.  Given how disturbed Josh was about having number four he may have more and more "tired" nights.  It's no big surprise he's chunked all the weight back on.

He so clearly didn't want to have a fourth child, but Anna's programmed to pop out babies and so is he. I hope that part of his "rehab" included a long conversation with his wife about the size of their family. But then it was Jesus Jail, probably just got reprogrammed.

Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

1 hour ago, Clemgo3165 said:

I hope that part of his "rehab" included a long conversation with his wife about the size of their family. But then it was Jesus Jail, probably just got reprogrammed.

I realize that I live in the world and therefore am not as much of An Authority On Marriage as the Duggars, but here's a question: How can these people not watch TV, not listen to the radio, mess around on the computer, engage in activities outside the home or any of the other things people typically waste time doing and STILL not talk to their spouses?

One would think with all of that free time, there would be SOME substantive convo after the wedding about "Look, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but it's how I feel. I do not want any more children. If you will not use birth control, I'm going to start using condoms when we're together." How could telling his wife that he didn't want more children and following up by using birth control be any worse than the way he chose to handle it -- ignoring his fourth child and cheating on his wife while he was busy plastering his "availability" all over Washington, DC and surrounding suburbs? Was KJB going to come over and raid their medicine cabinet?

Seriously -- how does one stay married to a spouse they can't (or won't) talk to? Why would anyone want to?

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Vaysh

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Seriously -- how does one stay married to a spouse they can't (or won't) talk to? Why would anyone want to?

You're approaching this as a sane person. Don't. It's not about what you want, it's about what Jesus wants and Jesus, according to fundies, wants you to stay married no matter how miserable it makes you. Nevermind the historical context of the issue because it's the word of the law that matters, not the spirit of... no wait.

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Albanyguy

Albanyguy

2 hours ago, Missy Vixen said:

How can these people not watch TV, not listen to the radio, mess around on the computer, engage in activities outside the home or any of the other things people typically waste time doing and STILL not talk to their spouses?

I agree that they have ample free time to talk among themselves, but I think that almost all of their conversations are strictly segregated by gender. Men talk to other men about important guy stuff; women talk to other women about pregnancy, childcare, recipes, patterns for modest dresses, etc. When husbands and wives do converse, the husband speaks slowly and condescendingly while the wife bobs her head up and down.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

1 hour ago, Vaysh said:

You're approaching this as a sane person. Don't. It's not about what you want, it's about what Jesus wants and Jesus, according to fundies, wants you to stay married no matter how miserable it makes you. Nevermind the historical context of the issue because it's the word of the law that matters, not the spirit of... no wait.

I'm remembering Bin's earnestly written blog post about not getting along with one's spouse (he worded it differently) bringing him "closer to God" so he could understand her personality. Really? They'd been married less than a year at that point. All couples fight, but this was a cry for help, IMHO. Someone sane would have told Bin to either get himself and Jessa Blessa into a degreed, licensed marriage and family therapist, or cut his losses and file for divorce so he could meet someone that might be better suited to him. I totally get what you're saying about sanity, but again, Anna's yapping about trust? There is no trust with someone that has violated their partnership and family the way her husband did (and according to a certain gossip columnist, is still doing). 

We'll be married 23 years next month. Our marriage is not perfect. We're not perfect. The reason we're still together, though, is that we talked for hundreds of hours before we got married, and we're still talking.

It's unbelievable that the Duggars are so willing to sentence themselves to 50+ years of misery because they weren't smart enough to really get to know their spouses before they got married. They're sentencing their kids to that misery, too.

38 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Men talk to other men about important guy stuff; women talk to other women about pregnancy, childcare, recipes, patterns for modest dresses, etc. When husbands and wives do converse, the husband speaks slowly and condescendingly while the wife bobs her head up and down.

I can't imagine living in a house with another adult that could not bring himself to have a mutually respectful conversation with a woman about their relationship or about any other issue they're facing.

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Marigold

Marigold

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The answer to that question is that it really doesn't matter what YOU want.  It only matters what GOD wants.

So Josh might be sick of kids but he knows that this thinking is wrong and submits to God's Will (as he has learned it).  Anna too.  Deep down, Anna does NOT want to forgive and forget.  but what she feels or thinks is not important.  Only what God thinks. (heavily encouraged by Jim Bob reciting Bible verses at her)

Josh and Anna probably talk plenty but how they talk is different than what you expect.  A lot of talk and thought is focused on getting your life in line with God...a lot of prayer, a lot of strategy on how to accomplish God's will in your daily life etc.  

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

But is Josh really a changed man? The guy whose pictures I saw from that airshow looked like he was eating his feelings. I don't buy that he's willfully submitting to anything other than being under JB's thumb so he is able to make a nominal salary doing *anything.* 

I am sure he talks a good game; he was raised speaking the language. But I don't believe that he's bought into the program, deep down. 

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

Josh hasn't really believed since he was teen I don't think.  It's his family and the life he knows, but it isn't the life he'd have chosen for himself.  It looks like a life of future misery for him unless or until he can be honest with himself and the family (Jim Bob) and get free. 

He's never going to be free. He'll be paying child support for at least four kids.

Maybe he should get a place with Jon Gosselin. Imagine the ensuing reality show.

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

Josh drank the Kool-Aid well enough to take the job in D.C. to promote his family's religious and political beliefs to the heathens while hiding behind the fact he molested innocent girls and was cheating on his wife. He thinks he is above it all and blames others especially the devil for his actions. In other words, you can take the horse to water, but you cannot make the horse drink. Sorry for comparing beautiful, intelligent animals to Josh.

Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

1 hour ago, preciousperfect said:

Josh and Jon: Starting Over (Again)

Opening episode: Jon spends half the episode explaining to Joshley Madison why it's important to work for a living.

Joshley Madison is trolling for chicks at TGI Friday's. He can't understand why the women aren't flocking despite his 4 kids and $2K per month (at least) child support.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

3 minutes ago, Darknight said:
  • Hope Anna and Josh know about stds

Anna's 'tude really bugs me but when I think of her, I flinch inside. I hope someone in their lives was smart enough to get her to go to the doctor when she found out Joshley Madison was cheating. We know they won't use condoms, so she's going to need regular check-ups from now on.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

The way they presented it in Fireproof, if you even LOOKED at porn, you'd probably contract one. Having an affair? Well, all women who aren't fundies are sluts who sleep with anyone, anytime, anywhere, so the cheating husband definitely will get something. 

NOW, the next question: Do they know how to get tested? 

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JoanArc

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Joshley Madison is trolling for chicks at TGI Friday's. He can't understand why the women aren't flocking despite his 4 kids and $2K per month (at least) child support.

I picture him eating wings with blue cheese dressing running down his shirt in this scenario.

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NOW, the next question: Do they know how to get tested? 

I remember it was disseminated though Amy that Anna had been tested and was negative.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

I really doubted Famy's account. Who the hell talks about getting tested for STDs? I've never had the displeasure, but I don't think I'd be shouting the fact that it happened to the rooftops. And let's face it, if you tell Famy, it will be shouted. 

I think Famy said this to get the press off of Anna's back. If Anna was going to use a mouthpiece, it certainly wouldn't have been Duggar black sheep Famy. She could have just had a press statement about it, if she felt it was necessary; the Duggars do have a cadre of PR people to handle this kind of thing. I realize the Duggar Machine had full charge of her then, which is another reason I doubt Famy would know anything. The family closed ranks and pretty much shut her out, especially after Dill's remarks. 

CofCinci

CofCinci

7 hours ago, Marigold said:

I think Amy just talks crap to whoever will give her some money or some fame. 

If Anna really did get tested, why the heck would she talk to Amy about it? Although, Amy might know a bit more about the subject than the other Duggars. Hahahaha!!!!!  

If anyone in the family would know where to get STD tests, it would be Famy. 

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yogi2014L

yogi2014L

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9 hours ago, CofCinci said:

If anyone in the family would know where to get STD tests, it would be Famy. 

I don't know why there is snarking on people being responsibly for their sexual health. Famy is ridiculous yes but this is coming off as kind of slut shaming ( to me at any rate) If you have had sex at least once ( even oral) you should get tested.  Promoting the stigma that getting tested= dirty slut only makes people afraid or ashamed to get tested and that only worsens the spread of STDS.

ETA: and yes i really hope Anna got tested, as HPV affects 75% of the sexually active population. There is a good chance Josh could have contracted it. 

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RainbowBrite

RainbowBrite

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On 5/12/2016 at 3:51 PM, new jersey devil said:

 

1 hour ago, yogi2014L said:

I don't know why there is snarking on people being responsibly for their sexual health. Famy is ridiculous yes but this is coming off as kind of slut shaming ( to me at any rate) If you have had sex at least once ( even oral) you should get tested.  Promoting the stigma that getting tested= dirty slut only makes people afraid or ashamed to get tested and that only worsens the spread of STDS.

ETA: and yes i really hope Anna got tested, as HPV affects 75% of the sexually active population. There is a good chance Josh could have contracted it. 

Agreed. With both of my pregnancies I was tested as standard procedure. 

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Not sure where that quote came from...
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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

On August 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Missy Vixen said:

I'll wash Nancy Daniels' car if she can write in the Gypsy Sisters as well.

That would be totally awesome to watch Mellie Stanley beating the living crap out of Smuggar.  

Even though she's worked as a stripper and had some lousy husbands and boyfriends, you know he'd totally skeeve her out and disgust her. 

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On 8/25/2016 at 4:41 PM, Sew Sumi said:

I really doubted Famy's account. Who the hell talks about getting tested for STDs? I've never had the displeasure, but I don't think I'd be shouting the fact that it happened to the rooftops. And let's face it, if you tell Famy, it will be shouted. 

I think Famy said this to get the press off of Anna's back. If Anna was going to use a mouthpiece, it certainly wouldn't have been Duggar black sheep Famy. She could have just had a press statement about it, if she felt it was necessary; the Duggars do have a cadre of PR people to handle this kind of thing. I realize the Duggar Machine had full charge of her then, which is another reason I doubt Famy would know anything. The family closed ranks and pretty much shut her out, especially after Dill's remarks. 

If this is the same crackerjack duggar machine that handled the joshly madison debacle, I doubt they can find their asses with two hands and a flashlight.  I think jb found someone in the nickel ads and called it good. I really doubt boob would give up that kind of control anyway.

I know it's a free country, but if they had real pr people, there is no way some of instagram posting of the assorted duggar spawn and their husbands would have ever saw the light of day.  Well a free country unless you're a duggar.

My guess is famy talking to rag mags (if that's what happened) is just simply famewhoring.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I'd pay to see that.

I think a good scolding and ball busting from a woman like Mellie would be just  what Smuggs needs to knock him off his high horse.  Mellie don't give a shit about his headship and she wouldn't pull any punches about how repellent she would find him....and she's got a foul mouth and temper to boot.  She definitely won't "keep sweet". 

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Darknight

Darknight

On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Missy Vixen said:

I'm remembering Bin's earnestly written blog post about not getting along with one's spouse (he worded it differently) bringing him "closer to God" so he could understand her personality. Really? They'd been married less than a year at that point. All couples fight, but this was a cry for help, IMHO. Someone sane would have told Bin to either get himself and Jessa Blessa into a degreed, licensed marriage and family therapist, or cut his losses and file for divorce so he could meet someone that might be better suited to him. I totally get what you're saying about sanity, but again, Anna's yapping about trust? There is no trust with someone that has violated their partnership and family the way her husband did (and according to a certain gossip columnist, is still doing). 

We'll be married 23 years next month. Our marriage is not perfect. We're not perfect. The reason we're still together, though, is that we talked for hundreds of hours before we got married, and we're still talking.

It's unbelievable that the Duggars are so willing to sentence themselves to 50+ years of misery because they weren't smart enough to really get to know their spouses before they got married. They're sentencing their kids to that misery, too.

I can't imagine living in a house with another adult that could not bring himself to have a mutually respectful conversation with a woman about their relationship or about any other issue they're facing.

My fear is one of the spouses turns abusive. Or like Joshie cheats and bring home an std

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CarolMK

CarolMK

I read that Josh is going to be on the next episode. I wonder if that's really true or just speculation. Maybe it'll show him and Anna going to marriage counseling? I also saw somewhere that Jim Bob bought the two of them a house recently and I'm wondering if that's true as well. There was a reference that Jim Bob bought the house to make sure that Anna would stay with Josh, though I don't know why anyone thinks Anna was ever considering leaving. It'll never happen no matter what Josh does.

I'm probably going to be criticized for this, but back in the day, I think Josh was actually one of the best public speakers of all the kids. He seemed to be able to articulate fairly well and could focus on answering  questions from the producers. The rest of them seem to struggle a bit when interviewed, even Jill, who seemed to become more of the spokesperson as time went on. I don't miss Michelle and her talking heads at all , with that baby voice. Luckily it seems none of the daughters have inherited that trait. 

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BitterApple

BitterApple

I think if Joshley's activities were limited to adultery, they could've brought him back on the show. Cheating on Anna makes him a dirtbag, but consensual sex between legal adults is a lot more palatable to the viewing audience than the molestation of a five year-old. Josh would have to explain his actions and reciting Gothard platitudes isn't going to fly. It's in the Duggars' best interests to keep him chained to the guest house.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

2 hours ago, CarolMK said:

 I also saw somewhere that Jim Bob bought the two of them a house recently and I'm wondering if that's true as well. There was a reference that Jim Bob bought the house to make sure that Anna would stay with Josh, though I don't know why anyone thinks Anna was ever considering leaving. It'll never happen no matter what Josh does.

 

If this is true, KJB bought the house so that it could not be seized via lawsuit. Joshley Madison will never own another house outright because there is always the specter that victim #5 (or other victims we don't know about) will come forward with a civil suit.

Anna needs to get her ass to an attorney and have them draw up paperwork protecting herself and her kids in the event she's left alone. KJB will most likely refuse to sign it, but if she decides to make that little tidbit public, she might succeed in finally bringing down the house of cards, IMHO. It's one thing to cover up family molestation when the statute of limitations has run out. It's another to actively plot to leave your SAHM daughter-in-law and her four defenseless kids under 8 in the street because there was no plan to protect them.

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Albanyguy

Albanyguy

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On 8/27/2016 at 0:33 PM, CarolMK said:

I don't miss Michelle and her talking heads at all , with that baby voice. Luckily it seems none of the daughters have inherited that trait. 

Michelle spoke fairly normally in the earliest specials. The baby voice became more pronounced and more irritating as time went on. It seemed to get worse with each succeeding pregnancy/delivery and with her increasing fame. The girls have plenty of time left to cultivate it.

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CarolMK

CarolMK

If/when Anna gets pregnant again, how will the show handle it? Will they make an announcement that she is expecting baby # 5 or will they keep it a secret until the baby is nearly due? How can they show Anna and the baby on tv without showing Josh? Unless he secretly got himself sterilized, this issue is going to come up fairly soon.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

2 hours ago, CarolMK said:

If/when Anna gets pregnant again, how will the show handle it? Will they make an announcement that she is expecting baby # 5 or will they keep it a secret until the baby is nearly due? How can they show Anna and the baby on tv without showing Josh? Unless he secretly got himself sterilized, this issue is going to come up fairly soon.

Nancy's probably hoping it will not need to be addressed until next season at the earliest.

One has to wonder how they're going to film around J-Chelle, KJB, and Joshley Madison at the wedding.

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