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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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Absolom

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I find it interesting, very interesting.  It definitely is not playing out as I expected.  Why didn't Josh come out of the gate saying it didn't happen if indeed it didn't happen?  Did it possibly happen but not on the dates she listed?  Did someone impersonate Josh and why? Who did Josh cheat with not that we'll probably ever know now.

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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farmgal4

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Ah, the good old "slut shame" defense. I can't believe people still fall for that mysogonystic tactic.

No, ma'am. I'm not slut shaming her at all. My point is that the defense might use that 1-minute video to say this:

Josh watched Ms. Dillon in this video and she seemed to enjoy herself then, so he thought that she would enjoy having rough sex with him, as well.

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Marigold

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I find it interesting, very interesting.  It definitely is not playing out as I expected.  Why didn't Josh come out of the gate saying it didn't happen if indeed it didn't happen?  Did it possibly happen but not on the dates she listed?  Did someone impersonate Josh and why? Who did Josh cheat with not that we'll probably ever know now.

I'm with you.

Why didn't Josh just SAY this from the beginning and shut her down asap.

Why even let it go this far?

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Fuzzysox

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I can't blame him for providing proof her claims are false. Assuming he has the proof, that is. I would certainly do the same.

What  I was trying say that the burden on Dillion's side is very, very, weak if she has no concrete proof. Good for him if he has concrete proof because there sure are a lot of con-artist out there ready to jump on easy prey.

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farmgal4

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As far as I can tell, she's suing for damages for her mental injuries caused by the shock of being allegedly choked and manhandled by Josh during otherwise consensual sex. She claims she can't continue with her careers in porn or stripping as a result of the injuries.

She's claiming her career as a sex worker is over because of the injuries Josh inflicted on her?? Oh, come on... She just did a fully nude spread (and I do mean spread) in Hustler!

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farmgal4

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Wow, Josh may be innocent after all. If that's the case, good for him, but I can care less that porn stars are trying to bleed him dry. So...who was he unfaithful with then?

Possibly no one... other than the Internet, that is. Some religions believe that just THINKING about another woman is considered cheating. I can certainly imagine that being the case in Fundieland.

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Tabbygirl521

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Possibly no one... other than the Internet, that is. Some religions believe that just THINKING about another woman is considered cheating. I can certainly imagine that being the case in Fundieland.

It will be interesting if that is indeed the "unfaithfulness." Imagine all this angst, uprooting of the family, house sale, Jesus Jail, etc. just for porn. I tend to think actual humans were involved, though, simply because Jish back pedaled so hard right after his initial confession.

Also I just thought about Jish's assets apparently being liquidated. Punishment or preparation for out-of-court settlements? Yet they aren't settling this one with Danica.

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kokapetl

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I'm no lawyer but is it possible that Dillon's lawyer planned this and there is another big reveal waiting? Or no because everything had to be in the court documents?

As far as I can figure out, at this point in the proceedings, both plaintiff and defendant, in the interests of resolving the dispute without a trial, must disclose, to the other party, basically ALL the information, that they know of, that supports their own claims, and they need to do this automatically, not upon request. It seems that it's basically up to other party to request info that would damage a party's argument, but complying with those requests also seems largely obligatory. Concealing information that supports a parties own claims may result in being sanctioned by the court and/or preclude it from being admissible evidence if a trial does happen. There's not supposed to be any surprises if/when it gets to trial. Edited by Kokapetl
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Lemur

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I find it interesting, very interesting.  It definitely is not playing out as I expected.  Why didn't Josh come out of the gate saying it didn't happen if indeed it didn't happen?  Did it possibly happen but not on the dates she listed?  Did someone impersonate Josh and why? Who did Josh cheat with not that we'll probably ever know now.

 

This.  Pretty much.  It's entirely possible she has her dates messed up.  Then again, you'd think you'd have that sort of shit together before filing suit, but hey, people are strange creatures. 

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JoanArc

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This.  Pretty much.  It's entirely possible she has her dates messed up.  Then again, you'd think you'd have that sort of shit together before filing suit, but hey, people are strange creatures. 

Maybe a ploy by her lawyer to get Josh to tun over all his cards? Then say, whoops, here's the right dates? Probably not, but then IANAL.

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kokapetl

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This latest article says that Danica has photographs to support her claims.

Josh Duggar Porn Star Lawsuit — Danica Dillon Claims To Have Incriminating Photos | Radar Online

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-porn-star-lawsuit-danica-dillon-claims-incriminating-photos/

Josh's LAWYR says Ms Dillon's lawyer says Ms Dillon apparently has photos that support her claim, but won't/can't provide them until they're published by a tabloid, and that's about the extent of Ms Dillon's lawyer's communications regarding agreeing to a timeline for both parties to disclose, and LAWYR's phone calls to Dillon's lawyer aren't being returned.
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Muffyn

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Could literally be anyone. Probably some non-descript barfly, I'm guessing. But who really knows?

Brings to mind one of my favorite lines from an SNL sketch, "I am a barfly, your honor." 

 

Possibly no one... other than the Internet, that is. Some religions believe that just THINKING about another woman is considered cheating. I can certainly imagine that being the case in Fundieland.

Lust in the heart is a sin.  It's the same as actually having sex with someone.  Then again, in the Duggar all sins are equal world so are missing the trash can and not picking it up and murder.  You're always a retched sinner and you can always be forgiven.  

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LilyoftheValley

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All complaints will list the dates as "on or about January 1, 2016".  They always give a little wiggle room because if you are off by a day, then technically everything you said is untrue, even if it is all true but happened on January 2 (if that makes sense).  So there is no way that Josh actually knows the EXACT dates she is referring to.  He only knows the approximate dates from the complaint.  Essentially Josh would have to have an alibi for several days around the date of the purported event in order to claim that he was not in Philly on those dates.  

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Sew Sumi

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The 2 years of paid Ashley Madison accounts were indisputably Josh's. 2 years of "attempted adultery".

And who really knows? It's come out that most of the actual women on AM were pros. This may well have been his initial portal to Danica, who ended up being a FB friend for crying out loud! Smuggles can't deny that he knew her in SOME sense. 

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kokapetl

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And who really knows? It's come out that most of the actual women on AM were pros. This may well have been his initial portal to Danica, who ended up being a FB friend for crying out loud! Smuggles can't deny that he knew her in SOME sense.

2 years paid membership by 27 year old Josh at a site that mostly conned the 50 and over crowd really highlights how JimChelle's "For the Children!" bubble of ignorance is going to be their downfall. I hope LAWYR is treating Josh like the rube he is and making it very clear what the consequences of lying to the court might be. Edited by Kokapetl
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whydoiwatch

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 Until this plays out more, it is hard to know what to think. I believe Josh is arrogant enough to think he can lie and ignore what LAWYR is advising. Ma and Pa allowed him to repeatedly molest his sisters without consequence. His betrayed wife wants their marriage restored.

Josh is, after all, the golden Duggar and God smiles down upon him.

If not guilty in this case, he will do something else and eventually blaming the heathen liberals won't suffice - even for the loyal leghumpers.

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kokapetl

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Josh is in Jebus jail, lost his comfy job, wife bursts into tears at the mention of him, Josh was essentially exposed as faking the fundy. His family can't totally conceal their extreme anger with him for ruining their livelihoods. Would he think God would be on his side after Josh stopped caring, and could Josh interpret his gaping annus horribilis, as a sign that God is anything other than displeased?

It's sad, but I wouldn't cry if Josh went to jail for perjury. Hopefully for him, his lawyer will keep him on the right side of the law.

He's an adult, perjury is perjury, he'd deserve to go to jail, if jail is what anyone else would be punished with in the same situation. Edited by Kokapetl
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BitterApple

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I can't make heads or tails of this case. Is Josh really that stupid and arrogant to think he could lie to his attorney and the court and nobody would figure it out? And not only that, be stupid enough to take pictures with a porn star while in the process of cheating on his wife? If this is all true, then the dumb runs deep in the Duggar family.

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cmr2014

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I can't make heads or tails of this case. Is Josh really that stupid and arrogant to think he could lie to his attorney and the court and nobody would figure it out? And not only that, be stupid enough to take pictures with a porn star while in the process of cheating on his wife? If this is all true, then the dumb runs deep in the Duggar family.

 

I honestly don't think that they-- the entire family -- have any problem with lying. I don't really know how they reconcile that with being the "Christian family" that they claim to be, but they all seem comfortable editing the facts, and even downright lying.

 

Their world is very small and insular, and I think that they are used to being believed because of their "strong Christian values" and they think that they can just say and do whatever they please.

 

We're all heathens anyway, Jesus doesn't care if they lie to us.

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RazzleberryPie

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According to her own belief system, she is.  They teach that marriage is a "threesome" between man, woman and god.

Not exactly, you're married to your spouse, but consult and consider Jesus' teachings throughout your marriage. There;s no marriage to God or threesome in a sexual way. 

I think the purpose of Anna's statement is to show an ambiguously united front. She's still a part of the family, she's ok, she's working through things, she's trusting God and relying on her faith, etc., but she's not exactly come out and said everything is all better, or that they're divorcing. I'm not sure if that's so they can milk more media contracts out of it, or if she or Josh are indeed considering divorce. It's meant to tell us all she's alive and stay tuned, whatever happens.

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awaken

awaken

Just saw the statement on FB and read it.  IMO, it's a whole lotta nothing.  Lots of flowery words basically saying nothing, except confirming that she did visit Josh, and is standing by him and going to try and work it out, which we here on PTV already knew.  Why bother?!  Oh, forget it, I know why- to try and keep themselves relevant, and continue to keep themselves in the media.  

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whydoiwatch

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 Anna's claim  that so many have asked how she is doing that it is "humbling" made me laugh. There is nothing humble about her, never has been. Arrogant, entitled and holier than thou - yes; humble - no.

This rambling statement reminds me of her TH on the Counting On show where she said Josh's behavior was a betrayal to Christians in general. She went on to say how so many people had watched them take their vows.....and were let down by what had happened.

 Your being on teevee and married to fundie royalty JoshUa (gag me) does not impress anyone with half a brain Anna.

If she didn't get knocked up on her visit to Josh, she will be before long.

Some people never learn and some things never change. Josh and Anna both seem to fit into that category.

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truthtalk2014

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I think Josh is going to be released soon and Anna is slowly moving into the spotlight...setting the stage for the Redemption Tour.

If Joshie is released soon, they have some rearranging to do.  I don't think they can store him in the girls bedroom with Anna and his four children.  

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BitterApple

BitterApple

If Joshie is released soon, they have some rearranging to do. I don't think they can store him in the girls bedroom with Anna and his four children.

Maybe they'll move into Bin's death trap warehouse room that has no fire exits.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

I imagine that they'll be put in the Pool House. After all, Joshie will be under Boob's thumb for the rest of his life now, and what better way to keep your kid on the straight and narrow by being able to knock on his door at all hours to film. The Smuggars' life will never be private or free from interference. 

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kalamac

kalamac

Also not a lawyer, but reading through those motions, it looks like Josh's team twice attempted to have Danica forced to show her evidence before she was legally required to. Maybe he was worried she has photographic proof?

And would the denied confidentiality request in point 18 have meant neither Josh nor Danica could talk about the case, had it been approved instead of denied, or am I understanding that wrong?

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Defrauder

Defrauder

If Joshie is released soon, they have some rearranging to do.  I don't think they can store him in the girls bedroom with Anna and his four children.  

Since they can't store Josh in the girls dorm JB probably cut a deal with Anna, a house for them after Smuggar's release as long as she stays with him.  Otherwise Anna's either stuck in the girls dorm forever or is out on her own.

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GeeGolly

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I would guess they would put Josh, Anna and the M & Ms in the McMansion. Far enough away, but close enough too. I'm sure the pool house is for Jilly and filming.

 

Considering other Duggar statements, I didn't think Anna's was half bad. At least she didn't imply that she was welcoming back Josh with open ... er ... arms.

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