Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[bigskygirl]

Do not post Duggar house addresses or pictures of their houses. Remember there are young children involved in the discussion of where the family lives. Posts will be hidden or deleted with pictures and addresses.

[Mollie]

County records show that Josh and Anna have since sold that house to ALB Investments LLC.

The records do not reflect a sale.  The records reflect a transfer from joint title into an LLC, set up by the Duggar's long-time attorney, Travis W. Story, who specializes in bankruptcy and church law.  Such a transfer puts personal assets into a Limited Liability Company.  There was a story reported by In Touch Weekly about a lawsuit being filed by one of the non-family victims of Josh's sexual molestations upon minor girls.  This could be a reason for such a transfer of title. 

 

The filing of the investment company was made with the Secretary of State on the date of the title transfer. 

http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=444660&corp_type_id=&corp_name=est&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_number=&cmd

Edited October 4, 2015 by Mollie

[Churchhoney]

The records do not reflect a sale.  The records reflect a transfer from joint title into an LLC, set up by the Duggar's long-time attorney, Travis W. Story, who specializes in bankruptcy and church law.  Such a transfer puts personal assets into a Limited Liability Company.  There was a story reported by In Touch Weekly about a lawsuit being filed by one of the non-family victims of Josh's sexual molestations upon minor girls.  This could be a reason for such a transfer of title. 

 

The filing of the investment company was made with the Secretary of State on the date of the title transfer. 

http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=444660&corp_type_id=&corp_name=est&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_number=&cmd

 

And what does this mean? That they're just hiding the Josh/Anna house in a company owned by a Duggar friend and created for that purpose? Or what?

[Ljohnson1987]

I hope Anna wakes up and divorces Smugs. She and her kids don't deserve this.

[Mollie]

Do not post Duggar house addresses or pictures of their houses. Remember their are young children involved in the discussion of where the family lives. Posts will be hidden or deleted with pictures and addresses.

Of course you may delete whatever you want, but in the case of reality TV people, the pictures and addresses of their houses are all over the Internet and in countless episodes of their TV shows.  Just like the Kardashians, everyone knows where they live, what their houses look like, and have seen pictures of their kids a million times.  This is public information at this point and the Duggars post pictures of these houses on their blogs, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter accounts.

 

As to the young children of Josh and Anna, Anna and the new baby are in Florida at her parents' trailer home (yes, everyone knows that address and has seen the home on TV episodes) and the three older children are staying with Michelle and Jim Bob in their house, which has been photographed a zillion times.  So, no one is in Josh and Anna's house right now.  Again, this is all public knowledge. And, the Duggars wanted it to be public information, which is why they signed up to do reality TV in the first place.

[CofCinci]

I hope Anna wakes up and divorces Smugs. She and her kids don't deserve this.

Once she stops waking up in 3,600sqft homes she'll probably come to her senses.

[Mollie]

And what does this mean? That they're just hiding the Josh/Anna house in a company owned by a Duggar friend and created for that purpose? Or what?

 

The attorney doesn't own the company.  He is the agent for the company.  That means, if you want to sue the company, you can deliver process to the attorney.  The shares in the company are probably owned by Josh and Anna, but the owners are not publicly disclosed so that is a presumption, not a verifiable fact from public records.  But, because the title transfer was made the same day the company was formed, that's a real clue as to what happened and why.

 

In any event, property records do not show a sale of the house, just a transfer of deed.

[kokapetl]

The records do not reflect a sale. The records reflect a transfer from joint title into an LLC, set up by the Duggar's long-time attorney, Travis W. Story, who specializes in bankruptcy and church law. Such a transfer puts personal assets into a Limited Liability Company. There was a story reported by In Touch Weekly about a lawsuit being filed by one of the non-family victims of Josh's sexual molestations upon minor girls. This could be a reason for such a transfer of title.

The filing of the investment company was made with the Secretary of State on the date of the title transfer.

http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=444660&corp_type_id=&corp_name=est&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_number=&cmd

County records suggest it was a sale by warrantee deed, and it was sold for approx $65,000. JimBob and Michelle would be likely be liable for Josh's actions as a minor, not Josh, and my understanding of limited liability is that it refers to the company, not the owner. If Josh owns the company that owns the house, isn't it still his asset? He's as liable as he was beforehand. What would he gain by doing this? Edited October 5, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Churchhoney]

The attorney doesn't own the company.  He is the agent for the company.  That means, if you want to sue the company, you can deliver process to the attorney.  The shares in the company are probably owned by Josh and Anna, but the owners are not publicly disclosed so that is a presumption, not a verifiable fact from public records.  But, because the title transfer was made the same day the company was formed, that's a real clue as to what happened and why.

 

In any event, property records do not show a sale of the house, just a transfer of deed.

 

Thanks for the further explanation!

[frenchtoast]

It's a little surprising that we need to explain, again, some more, about the no posting of addresses, but this has been a policy since before Joshgate1. DO NOT POST ADDRESSES PICTURES ETC. Per the site owners:

 

This isn't really a big trend here BUT since it has come up recently in one thread, I would like to be clear that we don't want posts spilling home addresses, maps and truly personal details on that level of anyone (either on TV or not).

It's kinda creepy.

We think people on TV are "fair game" for comments but let's respect everyone's personal privacy. Please and thank you.

 

 

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[Mollie]

County records suggest it was a sale by warrantee deed, and it was sold for approx $65,000. JimBob and Michelle would be likely be liable for Josh's actions as a minor, not Josh, and my understanding of limited liability is that it refers to the company, not the owner. If Josh owns the company that owns the house, isn't it still his asset? He's as liable as he was beforehand. What would he gain by doing this?

Do you have a link for any county record which shows that a sale took place?  And, why do you think transfer was made by warranty deed instead of a quitclaim deed?

 

The $65,000 figure is based on current tax assessments, which makes sense because many improvements were made, including a new kitchen.  Not only were improvements made when the Keller brothers showed up and posted the photos showing their work, but Jim Bob sent several Duggar sons over to make improvements when Josh and Anna were in transit from the east coast.  The Duggars posted those photos and they showed the older Duggar sons propping up the sagging roof and painting the bedrooms, etc.

You can go to the county tax assessment page for real property, plug in the address, and you will see the amount.  (You have to use the county in which the property is located, and I guess I can't even post that for you here.)

 

In any event, an actual sale is public information and I find no sale reported for that property since Josh and Anna purchased it in January.

[kokapetl]

Do you have a link for any county record which shows that a sale took place? And, why do you think transfer was made by warranty deed instead of a quitclaim deed?

The $65,000 figure is based on current tax assessments, which makes sense because many improvements were made, including a new kitchen. Not only were improvements made when the Keller brothers showed up and posted the photos showing their work, but Jim Bob sent several Duggar sons over to make improvements when Josh and Anna were in transit from the east coast. The Duggars posted those photos and they showed the older Duggar sons propping up the sagging roof and painting the bedrooms, etc.

You can go to the county tax assessment page for real property, plug in the address, and you will see the amount. (You have to use the county in which the property is located, and I guess I can't even post that for you here.)

In any event, an actual sale is public information and I find no sale reported for that property since Josh and Anna purchased it in January.

arcountydata.com has the appraised value of the property at $151,800, and shows the sales history of the property. Fannie Mae sold the property by Special Warranty Deed to Duggars for $55,000, and the Duggars sold the property to ALB Investments LLC, by Warranty Deed for $65,000

[Treehugger]

Send someone to live with the Dugs for 6 months- kind of like the torture Josh is accepting. 

 

Who would you send?  We know it is Gods will that Anna be impregnated again by now, I do have a few thoughts.  Back to the closet for me.

 

 

I would send a Unitarian pastor who has Channing Tatum's looks.  I realize that I'm making up a fictitious male, but oh, think of the possibilities.  It would be fabulous if this male pastor believes in gender equality and practices it at home.  Anna needs some proper male attention.  Am I right?

[kellylovessnark]

I do think that Josh had sex with other women. I was a fundamentalist for many years. To me, "unfaithful" the way he said it in his first statement indicated he had sex. Porn is also considered unfaithful behavior also but when you say "unfaithful" it implies sex. Of course, my dialect of English is from NYC. Maybe in an Arkansas Fundamentalist dialect, it's different. Don't know. But that is my understanding. Plus the satement about Satan taking over his heart. That's strong language for some nudie computer time. We have Josh's statement. We know he was on a cheating website. Two women have come forward. Seems like he unzipped... (yuck)

As someone who has lived in the south all my life, I would consider Josh's use of the word unfaithful as him having sex outside his marriage. His brand of Christianity is way different than anything I have encountered.

[Patricia07]

When is Anna allowed to visit Josh?

[Sew Sumi]

If he's really at RU, I think he can have visitors pretty much anytime now. I think the first visitor could come at 45 days. I forget the intervals thereafter, but who knows? She may show up on the feed for Friday Night RU! 

 

eta: I base this on the first week we viewed. A young man's visiting parents were in the front of the Men's section as the man shared something. I'm pretty sure that family can also attend church on Sunday, but I have no clue what activities they'd be permitted to attend with the shut-ins on Saturdays. I'm sure someone will be along who remembers the minutae that my brain forgot five seconds after I read it. :D

Edited October 7, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[Zella]

As someone who has lived in the south all my life, I would consider Josh's use of the word unfaithful as him having sex outside his marriage. His brand of Christianity is way different than anything I have encountered.

Agreed! One tip off for me too is the family tried to minimize the molestation incidents by pointing to things that in no way minimized what he did ("It was over clothing!" "They were asleep!"). I think if his straying had been limited to just porn, they would have tried with all of their might to use that to minimize his actions, regardless of their own attitudes toward the evils of porn. 

 

Of course one could argue that they didn't offer excuses because of the criticism their post-molestation interviews received, but I don't think the Duggars are that self-aware or have learned anything about being more PR savvy, as multiple incidents have demonstrated. 

[Wellfleet]

Gotta wash the smell of the street off before Josh greets Anna.

 

Can we call this new house 'The Gilded Cage'? Whoever winds up living in it, that's exactly what it'll be.

Edit: The Waste Management Palace also works. WiMP.

 

I like Waste Management Palace!

[Lillybee]

I feel for poor Anna because I believe that both Boob and Mechelle and Anna's parents are guilting her into feeling responsible for Josh's straying. If Anna didn't enjoy rough sex, could it be the excuse all of them are using for Josh's straying.

[Darknight]

Josh is probably on the beach hiding out

[Julia]

I feel for poor Anna because I believe that both Boob and Mechelle and Anna's parents are guilting her into feeling responsible for Josh's straying. If Anna didn't enjoy rough sex, could it be the excuse all of them are using for Josh's straying.

I framed it this way too, but I kind of feel like we're euphemizing on Josh's behalf. "Rough sex" with an unwilling partner is assault. Of course, any kind of sex with an unwilling partner is rape, and we know for a fact he doesn't understand that.

Poor Anna.

[Churchhoney]

I framed it this way too, but I kind of feel like we're euphemizing on Josh's behalf. "Rough sex" with an unwilling partner is assault. Of course, any kind of sex with an unwilling partner is rape, and we know for a fact he doesn't understand that.

Poor Anna.

 

This is what you get when you deliberately create a culture in which women are never considered the owners and proprietors of their own bodies and themselves. "Daddy has their heart" so he protects their "purity" and then he hands them off to another "headship." So of course entitled Smug-Josh doesn't understand about rape. How can you rape something that used to be somebody else's appendage until that person gave it to you to be your appendage. It has no meaningful agency. And it totally belongs to you.

 

Talk about your rape culture.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Purpose to defraud]

Josh is probably on the beach hiding out

Oh, you mean being a missionary? LOL.

[Ilovemylabs]

It's a little surprising that we need to explain, again, some more, about the no posting of addresses, but this has been a policy since before Joshgate1. DO NOT POST ADDRESSES PICTURES ETC. Per the site owners:

 

 

 

This is also the policy for this forum. Also policy for this forum? NOT ARGUING MOD NOTES IN TOPIC.

 

 

Don't do it. It's off topic and rude. 

 

We make mod notes and these pinned announcements so we're all on the same page. They are not onerous and they help keep things civil and fun. We really hate having to bring the mod hammer done, but this is the FOURTH mod note TODAY about posting stalkery posts. Any further arguments or deliberate postings will result in immediate deletion and possible warning. 

But these things can be PM'd, right?

[frenchtoast]

Yes they can be PMd. As David T. Cole said, posting that stuff, kinda creepy. The compromise is to do it off the forums in PMs.

 

As a side note, just to let everyone know--you can report PMs and block people from PMing you. And, you can add people to an already existing PM. The mods use PMs a lot so we've gotten to used to some of the features and I just wanted to give everyone a heads up about them. So if a member PMs you and starts yelling at you--you can block that person, report it  and we can handle it. 

[Tabbygirl521]

This is what you get when you deliberately create a culture in which women are never considered the owners and proprietors of their own bodies and themselves. "Daddy has their heart" so he protects their "purity" and then he hands them off to another "headship." So of course entitled Smug-Josh doesn't understand about rape. How can you rape something that used to be somebody else's appendage until that person gave it to you to be your appendage. It has no meaningful agency. And it totally belongs to you.

Talk about your rape culture.

Amen. And even though he got his hand slapped for assaulting his sisters while they slept, it was still sort of OK and not really his fault. Because if a girl has the immodesty to have girl parts just lying around while she's sleeping, what's a boy to do? Luckily you can further imprison the girls to help the boys stay godly. More clothes at all times, more locked doors, more chaperones, more preaching and guilt. Edited October 7, 2015 by Tabbygirl521

[bigskygirl]

Lets end the Josh may have raped Anna or another woman. We have absolutely no proof this happened. The mods on here have ask all of you not to do this more than once. Posts in the future speculating Josh raped someone will be deleted or hidden at the discretion of the mods. Thank you.

[Lemur]

So, we still do not have a definitive Josh sighting at Fundy Rehab, correct?

[CofCinci]

So, we still do not have a definitive Josh sighting at Fundy Rehab, correct?

The first RU airing Josh was several rows back, nearly off camera. Once they realized he was on camera and that they now had 75 viewers, they moved him off camera.

[Lemur]

The first RU airing Josh was several rows back, nearly off camera. Once they realized he was on camera and that they now had 75 viewers, they moved him off camera.

 

Dang.  I was hoping he'd gone rogue.  *Sigh*  No luck!

[JenCarroll]

Josh is probably on the beach hiding out

  

Dang.  I was hoping he'd gone rogue.  *Sigh*  No luck!

Hey! Maybe Josh is off attending to Jim Bob's Carribean banking issues. :-)

(No, that's not a real thing. See Duggars and their World thread.)

[Lemur]

  

Hey! Maybe Josh is off attending to Jim Bob's Carribean banking issues. :-)

(No, that's not a real thing. See Duggars and their World thread.)

 

Oh, how awkward would that be?  I can just see Josh stumbling into a European banking house on Grand Cayman, all sunburned and wearing Crocs with a duffle bag full of one dollar bills.

 

(This is fast heading for the parody thread, isn't it?)

[JoanArc]

The first RU airing Josh was several rows back, nearly off camera. Once they realized he was on camera and that they now had 75 viewers, they moved him off camera.

Isn't RU about publicly admitting your shame. (Also,going into great detail about the drugs and hookers while the audience drools.)

 

6 month with no sex or porn or hookers is gonna leave Josh very, very unsatisfied.

Edited October 7, 2015 by JoanArc

[Churchhoney]

Dang.  I was hoping he'd gone rogue.  *Sigh*  No luck!

 

I don't think he has either the balls or the brains to go rogue. I think he's basically just a weak little fearful incompetent boy -- just as JB always wanted him to be. But stupid JB didn't reckon with what happens when grown men you've molded into weak little fearful incompetent boys get the very understandable desire to be big men. And then screw up mightily in big-man-similar ways while remaining weak little fearful incompetent boys. I don't know that anybody on earth would have a good answer for what the hell you do then.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Churchhoney

[jazzpno]

My apologies if this has already been discussed, I may have missed a post or two in the many, many pages on this thread since Joshgate I: are we sure that Josh even has a sex addiction? I've always just chalked this whole thing up to Josh being a horny 20-something with a penchant for porn, a hankering for some strange and a hefty disregard for his marriage vows.

Also, I don't doubt that he hooked up with a couple of pros, but I'm curious as to what they are categorizing as rough sex. I don't mean to sound like I want the gory details, but Josh strikes me as too lazy to get rough. Had they said he was clumsy and unskilled, I'd have no problem believing that. That said, I agree with a poster above who suggested that perhaps since Josh has been denied any real education about sex that he is probably emulating what he's seen in movies.

I hope at the very least, that this ordeal makes Josh a little more humble.

[Churchhoney]

My apologies if this has already been discussed, I may have missed a post or two in the many, many pages on this thread since Joshgate I: are we sure that Josh even has a sex addiction?

 

Regarding Josh, I'd say that we're not sure about anything. Some people feel sure about some things. But there's certainly no consensus on anything. And I get the feeling that even most individuals' views shift fairly often. We think that he's in a center that "treats" addictions through prayer and... um... staying off the streets temporarily or something. But that's about it.

[Tunia]

Regarding Josh, I'd say that we're not sure about anything. Some people feel sure about some things. But there's certainly no consensus on anything. And I get the feeling that even most individuals' views shift fairly often. We think that he's in a center that "treats" addictions through prayer and... um... staying off the streets temporarily or something. But that's about it.

I have to say, Churchhoney, that I totally agree with this statement.  As I read through many of these posts, I'm often amazed at the amount of speculation that takes place about all the Duggars regarding every aspect of their life.  Unless we live within their walls, we simply do not "know" anything for sure.

[Julia]

The only person who has publicly diagnosed Josh with porn addiction, which as far as I know is not actually a thing, is whoever wrote Josh's online mea culpa as an attempt to shift the responsibility for his adultery, so I would take it with a huge grain of salt.

[JoanArc]

I have to say, Churchhoney, that I totally agree with this statement.  As I read through many of these posts, I'm often amazed at the amount of speculation that takes place about all the Duggars regarding every aspect of their life.  Unless we live within their walls, we simply do not "know" anything for sure.

 

 

This is true. However, reality is consistently worse than most of our speculation.

[lookeyloo]

 

6 month with no sex or porn or hookers is gonna leave Josh very, very unsatisfied.

Well, see that's been my thought all along.  How is this helping?  Seriously, is this a good idea?  And what about Anna? She will be past her certain number of days after having a girl baby, and doesn't she have normal desires?  I am making an assumption that she was okay with their intimate moments - but, what do I know.  Maybe she dreaded them except to get pregnant.

[Julia]

If this was normal rehab, where they were teaching Josh to own his issues and take responsibility for them, I could see the point of keeping him away from his wife, since there's almost always at least some learned codependence in a relationship with an addict. In this case, though, since he's apparently being 'treated' for porn addiction rather than a decade of untreated impulse control problems, and the facility he's at teaches that wives are at fault when their husbands _want_ to cheat, I don't see an upside. 

[Fuzzysox]

Does Josh have his own room in rehab?He might be enjoying having some space to himself for once. I'm sure he and Rosie are having fun every night! No one to say you can't, you shouldn't etc. years of pent up frustration is being washed away in that room. ewww and lol

[JoanArc]

 

I'm sure he and Rosie are having fun every night!

And any of the the female sex addicts he can sneak in after hours...

[CofCinci]

Josh put RU on the map, so they're going to ensure that he doesn't participate in any shenanigans. The future of their treatment center depends on whether or not Josh can go fuck-up-free for a few years. The poor guy probably has no time to himself at all.

And any of the the female sex addicts he can sneak in after hours...

A week or two ago, one of the female residents/inmates prayed for a new smart phone and she got it. I wonder how.... Hmmm.

[Fuzzysox]

Hollywoodlife has a story on Anna leaving on Oct. 18 and thinking about getting a divorce. On my tiny tablet and don't know how to post a link. Have you guys seen it yet?

Edited October 8, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Tunia]

Hollywoodlife has a story on Anna leaving on Oct. 18 and thinking about getting a divorce. On my tiny tablet and don't know hoew to post a link. Have you guys seen it yet?

And the Duggar's connection to Hollywood is...???   Hrummph - now get off my lawn!

 

Anyway, here's your link, Fuzzysox:  http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/10/07/anna-duggar-getting-divorced-josh-duggar-affairs-cheating-disgusting/

[CofCinci]

October 18th is Terry McMillian's birthday. Anna is getting her groove back.

[Anne Elk]

Could it be they're planning to cut Josh off after all? Maybe they are putting the assets with Josh's name on them in a trust for the M kids so he won't be able to get his hands on them. That would be one way to make sure he isn't taking $1500 nights out with his porn friends once he finishes his supposed rehab. 

 

And could the planned trip to Florida mean that Anna has decided to at least consider divorce? If she's gone and presumably being taken care of by her family, then the Duggars have even less incentive to want Josh back.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Anne Elk

[Fuzzysox]

I sure hope that Anna has given a good thought to divorce. She shouldn't have to live a life of misery and resentment. I think she will easily find a nice guy that will love her for her. Now that she has been out and experienced some life I'm sure she has schooled herself on what she doesn't want.

[JoanArc]

 

I think she will easily find a nice guy that will love her for her.

Yes, just thankfully not from their subculture!