Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[CofCinci]

More details in the finances thread -- JB purchased the $325,000 house next door (seen in Jessa pool videos) for Josh and Anna.

[Churchhoney]

More details in the finances thread -- JB purchased the $325,000 house next door (seen in Jessa pool videos) for Josh and Anna.

 

Maybe he can make the whole compound a long-term rehab facility with mansions, for celebrity offenders.   ... although I suppose the landfill might be a slight problem ...

 

I wonder what all the people think now who've paid to listen to the many speeches JB and M have given on how they've prepared their kids carefully for going out and living lives on their own as highly responsible Christians.

 

Because it seems to me when one scans the Duggar family these days, one sees a failure-to-launch situation of epic proportions.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Fuzzysox]

I don't get why Boob purchased the house next door, is it to gift to Josh for sure? Is Boob plotting some kind of comeback for him? Where did Boob get $325,000 from? This just got even weirder.

[Churchhoney]

I don't get why Boob purchased the house next door, is it to gift to Josh for sure? Is Boob plotting some kind of comeback for him? Where did Boob get $325,000 from? This just got even weirder.

 

I think now they're just messin' with us.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[cmr2014]

More details in the finances thread -- JB purchased the $325,000 house next door (seen in Jessa pool videos) for Josh and Anna.

 

Why would he do that? Josh and Anna already have a house nearby. Does he want Josh close to keep tabs on him? JB and J'chelle couldn't keep tabs on him when he was living under their roof, why would they be more successful with him next door?

[CofCinci]

Why would he do that? Josh and Anna already have a house nearby. Does he want Josh close to keep tabs on him? JB and J'chelle couldn't keep tabs on him when he was living under their roof, why would they be more successful with him next door?

They just sold Josh and Anna's house too.

[Churchhoney]

JB and J'chelle couldn't keep tabs on him when he was living under their roof, why would they be more successful with him next door?

 

Very good point.  Apparently they don't learn from experience.

 

Or maybe they have better safeguards now. LIke -- instead of just saying "don't play hide and seek," now they say "don't play hide and seek, tag or touch football."

[cmr2014]

They just sold Josh and Anna's house too.

 

I understand that, but it was a perfectly nice house, and it was far enough away to give them a little privacy and breathing room -- which I'm sure is "un-Godly."

[JoanArc]

Interesting, everyone thought Josh's house sale was a zillow mistake. Guess not!

 

A known family molester living next door to your house full of little girls? Eh, why not.

Edited October 3, 2015 by JoanArc

[Defrauder]

More details in the finances thread -- JB purchased the $325,000 house next door (seen in Jessa pool videos) for Josh and Anna.

Bribing Anna to not divorce Josh?

[Marigold]

Buying a house next door screams

 

"we know our son is a vile piece of crap and Anna got treated horribly. Let's keep them close in a nice house so we can help Anna stay married to our asshole son who we know will never really recover and will need a chaperone 24/7."

 

What else could it be about?  Trying to take care of Anna and the kids.  Keeping Josh on lock down mode so he can NEVER be left alone again. He will have no cell phone, no computer, no alone trips to Target to pick up a few things and no life.  Jim Bob will hire him to take over toilet cleaning jobs from Ben. That's it. Josh is going to live his life out on lock down mode staying married to Anna. 

 

I don't really care what they do with Josh but by locking down Josh, they have locked down Anna too. Well, maybe that is OK with her.  Who knows? 

[neural-plasticity]

Josh is almost a 30 year old man. He doesn't need his dad buying him $325,000 houses, especially after he just had a job making the kind of money he did (actually, regardless, you just don't do that). He literally will never learn from his mistakes when his parents treat him like that. Gross.

[Marigold]

That's a good point. 

Josh is obviously a person with A LOT of mental health problems (to put it nicely). He is not getting adequate treatment if he is in that place where they dont' have licenced therapists...

Is that a safe situation for his daughters?  or even Anna?  

 

He was the "nice husband" who had "nice sex" with Anna. After reading the porn stars accounts of how Josh really liked it...uh, if I were Anna, I would be scared of Josh. 

And if he forced Anna to do stuff that she was not OK with or was violent sexually with her etc?  Who would Anna tell?  Who would help her? Anna is very sheltered and has no clue about sexual violence againist women, even when married. 

 

As more and more things come out about Josh...he is more than just a cheater and hypocrite.  He is scary. 

 

And I think Jim Bob knows it. 

Edited October 3, 2015 by Marigold

[doodlebug]

I agree that adult kids, especially those with families of their own, should be self-supporting.  But this is the Duggars and their warped POV has infantilized their kids.  The kids have grown up in isolation, with minimal contact with the regular world.  The parents have strictly controlled them all of their lives, right down to virtually choosing their mates for them.  Even Josh' 'rehab' is part of their creepy sect and he was undoubtedly sent there with JB and Michelle's approval. The only message he is getting there is that he is a sinner who needs to repent and the way to do that is to do what his godly parents want.  Josh isn't there to be helped, he's there to be re-indoctrinated into the cult.

 

The purchase of the house just proves what we've known all along: JB and Michelle think of their kids as possessions, like pets, to be trained and controlled.  And the kids have bought into it and don't know any other way.  It's sick and it's sad, but I think the fiasco of the scandal is probably dooming Josh and Anna and their kids to a lifetime under his parents' thumb.  It's what Jesus wants, doncha know?

Edited October 3, 2015 by doodlebug

[kellylovessnark]

Has anyon seen this article from Inquisitr?

http://www.inquisitr.com/2462305/anna-duggar-looking-forward-to-spousal-visit-with-josh-following-brief-phone-call-with-husband/

[lookeyloo]

Holy macaroni - don't know what is fact or fiction from this article.  Could she be living in Florida?  Doesn't she nurse her babies?  I said it before "cured Josh with Anna looking up adoringly at her".  I hope when the pastor tried to put some the blame on her she was able to reject that notion.  They must really believe Josh will be "cured" and be "normal".  Oy.

[Churchhoney]

Buying a house next door screams

 

"we know our son is a vile piece of crap and Anna got treated horribly. Let's keep them close in a nice house so we can help Anna stay married to our asshole son who we know will never really recover and will need a chaperone 24/7."

 

What else could it be about?  Trying to take care of Anna and the kids.  Keeping Josh on lock down mode so he can NEVER be left alone again. He will have no cell phone, no computer, no alone trips to Target to pick up a few things and no life.  Jim Bob will hire him to take over toilet cleaning jobs from Ben. That's it. Josh is going to live his life out on lock down mode staying married to Anna. 

 

I don't really care what they do with Josh but by locking down Josh, they have locked down Anna too. Well, maybe that is OK with her.  Who knows? 

 

To me, anyway, this sounds like the kind of thing that could gradually escalate into a truly explosive situation. Up to and including the kind involving guns and accelerants. Even if it doesn't eventually explode, WTF kind of psychological hell of deep and massive revulsion and confusion do they imagine they're setting up for those children? Particularly if the poor kids are, dog please please forbid, home schooled?  If there never are any scorching memoirs from the Duggar Kid One generation, they've pretty much guaranteed here that there will be from Generation Duggar Kid Two, it seems to me.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

I really don't think Josh has pathological issues at this point. These 2 issues are totally separate in my mind, and I don't see that the first evolved or escalated into the second. However, I could be wrong, because that happens often enough. And, IMHO, JB & M under reacted the first time and are over reacting this time.

 

Maybe Anna is moving into the McMansion, and the neighboring home is for Jilly Muffin and the Dillard Family Mission, they seemingly define long term missions as a way of life rather than being any place for an extended period of time. It is easier to maintain an empty property when it is a golf cart ride away, and Jill does seem to be the golden child.

[Churchhoney]

I really don't think Josh has pathological issues at this point. These 2 issues are totally separate in my mind, and I don't see that the first evolved or escalated into the second. However, I could be wrong, because that happens often enough. And, IMHO, JB & M under reacted the first time and are over reacting this time.

 

Maybe Anna is moving into the McMansion, and the neighboring home is for Jilly Muffin and the Dillard Family Mission, they seemingly define long term missions as a way of life rather than being any place for an extended period of time. It is easier to maintain an empty property when it is a golf cart ride away, and Jill does seem to be the golden child.

 

Well, let's hope the McMansion is for Josh and company. Putting them right next to the parental homestead would send some unbelievably horrible messages to all six of them, I think. ....

 

Of course then we have the wonderful irony of missionaries to impoverished nations having a mansionlike U.S. vacation venue with a pool to live in during their return trips to the U.S. to (I'm sure they hope) film their tv show. Talk about your first-world problems. ... Does make sense that JB and M would want to attach a new real-estate choke chain on Jill and Derick, too, since this seems to be their control-mechanism of choice for the married kids. .... Wonder if JB has the cash to invest in more choke chains if any more of the kids marry any time soon. I would think that repeatedly buying and not flipping would put a bit of a crimp in your supposedly flipping-based real-estate enterprise.

 

(I wasn't actually thinking that Josh would reoffend in his old way. I was thinking of the anger, boredom, trapped feeling, draining of self respect, lack of any actual therapy or requirement to make his own way as an adult... plus the possible feeling of being trapped and watched, on Anna's part, and the confusion that I think would afflict the kids as they're dimly aware of both their parents kind of being kept people by their grandparents without any agency of their own. .... It just seems extremely messed up to me in all those ways -- quite apart from whatever Josh's proclivities may be -- and therefore a possible boiling cauldron of confusion, powerlessness and discontent on the part of all six members of Josh's young family. And on the part of the parents/in-laws just over the hedge, who have to be very confused about what they actually want from Josh at this point and are likely only to get more confused about that over time as they insist on keeping him as a sort of overgrown prolific puppy in a large doghouse of their purchase. Really really hope the plan is not to keep the Smuggars living next door.)

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Micks Picks]

This is the exact thing JB did before.  Send him off for prayer and construction for a few months and then bring him back and let him go to work at the state capitol with dear old dad.  The intent may have been to keep Josh close and keep and eye on him, but look how well that worked out.  It was interpreted as a reward for Josh and resulted in the porn on campaign computer.  So this time, same treatment, and the reward is a house with pool to keep him close.  That sure worked out well the first time.  He'll sneak off the compound to visit strip clubs again and worse, and treat Anna worse.  What a mess.

[Marigold]

This is the exact thing JB did before.  Send him off for prayer and construction for a few months and then bring him back and let him go to work at the state capitol with dear old dad.  The intent may have been to keep Josh close and keep and eye on him, but look how well that worked out.  It was interpreted as a reward for Josh and resulted in the porn on campaign computer.  So this time, same treatment, and the reward is a house with pool to keep him close.  That sure worked out well the first time.  He'll sneak off the compound to visit strip clubs again and worse, and treat Anna worse.  What a mess.

I think that Jim Bob and Michelle finally realize how serious and sick Josh's issues are.  They have no clue how to handle this...their only resource is the Bible and Gothard. 

So they are going to sit on him and watch his every move.  

If Josh can't control himself, Jim Bob will control his action for him.  Jim Bob will keep Josh on the straight and narrow path if it means having someone stay with him 24/7. 

Josh is going to be on inmate lockdown. 

 

I bet Jim Bob gets security cameras in every room.  Serious. Jim Bob and Michelle are controling people to begin with.  After this mess and humiliation and truly horrible behavior? Jim Bob probably has the cameras being installed as we type...

Edited October 3, 2015 by Marigold

[Churchhoney]

I think that Jim Bob and Michelle finally realize how serious and sick Josh's issues are.  They have no clue how to handle this...their only resource is the Bible and Gothard. 

So they are going to sit on him and watch his every move.  

If Josh can't control himself, Jim Bob will control his action for him.  Jim Bob will keep Josh on the straight and narrow path if it means having someone stay with him 24/7. 

Josh is going to be on inmate lockdown. 

 

I bet Jim Bob gets security cameras in every room.  Serious. Jim Bob and Michelle are controlling people to begin with.  After this mess and humiliation and truly horrible behavior? Jim Bob probably has the cameras being installed as we type...

 

Very very scary prospect, as time goes on, to me. How will Josh possibly respond to this? How would anyone, even if they weren't already powder kegs, as he appears to be?

 

I can't imagine that this is anything but a truly collossal error that could lead to horrors beyond their imagining somewhere down the road. I wish I thought that Josh had the stuff to just walk away from it pretty quickly and go make his own way as a car salesman or yard-maintenance guy somewhere. But unfortunately I kind of doubt he has that much backbone. It's what he should do, though, I think. And it would force Anna to make other plans -- which she should absolutely do. .....

 

And what happens to their "as many children as God gives us" nonsense living as prisoners-in-a-mansion-on-the-parental-dole? Will they be allowed to go out and buy birth-control devices or surgeries? That's so much against the Duggar grain -- would JB and M, who might be wholly in charge, look the other way on this for once? Or will they just not have sex (If I were Anna, I certainly wouldn't want to ...)?

 

"Marriage Under Surveillance." How could anyone possibly think that this would be a suitable environment for four young children? Although JB and M might be so stupid that they'd figure the pool could make up for it. This is the stuff of nightmares, if you ask me.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

To me too. I think it's a powder keg waiting to erupt. I think that they should just tell Josh to leave (without Anna and her children). They should make it clear to the press and public that he is estranged from the family. I honestly don't think that they can control this.

 

Totally agree. ... I suppose they would never do this, since it would mean admitting that their "theology" and "family ministry" and Gothard's loudly proclaimed "basic life principles" and "journeys to the heart" are basically powerless in the face of real life. So I fear that their egos and stupidity won't allow them to do this. Horrifying.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Satchels of gold]

Do we know for sure the house was purchased for them? It makes sense but has anyone confirmed it? They obviously couldn't control Josh when he lived under their roof and they can't control him by moving him closer but I'm sure they will try. If it's true I hope it what Anna wants and that it makes things easier for her.

Edited October 3, 2015 by nc socialworker

[Churchhoney]

Do we know for sure the house was purchased for them? It makes sense but has anyone confirmed it? They obviously couldn't control Josh when he lived under their roof and they can't control him by moving him closer but I'm sure they will try. If it's true Imhope it what Anna wants and that it makes things easier for her.

 

Nope, we don't know. We're just engaging in paranoid fantasy! I'm hoping that the fantasy isn't true, obviously. ...

 

And there is the "guest house and home away from missionary home for the Dillards." Or maybe just -- large mansion-type poolhouse for the Duggar kids. Or -- house I bought to keep others from living too close to my property.     Or maybe Jim Bob has insider information about a seam of some kind of highly desirable industrial minerals running under that house.  Seriously -- I'm hoping for any of these. I'm trying to ward off the possibility of it being a Josh-Anna house by yelling about it. ... He certainly seems to have paid a premium price for it. It's not his usual foreclosed bargain. So there must be some impelling purpose, I would think. ...

Edited October 3, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Tabbygirl521]

I think that this is their plan too. What scares me about it is, that if Josh doesn't have porn, porn stars, strip clubs as an outlet for his strange proclivities, I just hope he doesn't go after the kids in the family, like he did before when he had no other outlet. They will be locking all those little girls up with a caged animal.

Ugh, I hope you are wrong. I feel like Anna will be yanked aside for periodic lectures and interrogations about how well she is satisfying his "needs." No privacy. No boundaries. I'm Josh Duggar! Gothardism worked for me!

[kokapetl]

If this house is a reward to anyone, it's to Anna, not Josh, and if anyone will be subject to scrutiny while they live there, it'll be Josh and only Josh.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Kokapetl

[cmr2014]

If this house is a reward to anyone, it's to Anna, not Josh, and if anyone will be subject to scrutiny while they live there, it'll be Josh and only Josh.

 

Certainly, that is the way it SHOULD be, but that doesn't mean that that is the way it WILL be.

 

IMO, the Duggars are, right now, very much on Anna's side, not Josh's -- at least that is what we've seen, and they don't appear to be PR geniuses of any stripe. I think that they know, too, that even among their fundie friends, it is Anna who has the sympathy, and Anna who would get the support even if she chose to leave Josh.

 

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did buy the house for Anna. It would represent their grade-school level of damage control. 

 

To me, Josh has serious problems -- the stories of violent sex with prostitutes suggest that he is seriously conflicted about women and sex and has a very difficult time with impulse control. We've talked a lot on these forums about how the Duggars parenting prevents their children from developing coping skills and learning impulse control. Josh is Exhibit A, but I don't think he'll be the last.

 

Unfortunately, the Duggars have invested themselves 100% into believing that the word of Jesus as interpreted by Gothard is the be-all and end-all of life. There is no way that they can process any of this in any other context. The "only thing" that they can do for Josh is to send him to Jesus jail and keep him under surveilance 24/7.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not sure I believe Josh ever even hooked up with a prostitute, never mind was violent with one. People have a way with jumping at paid interviews with false stories. Why would they wait to tell their stories after the fact, they would make way more by breaking a story. And unless Josh was a regular I doubt they would remember what he looks like when the scandal did break. So I for one, am not putting any weight into those stories.

[kokapetl]

I'm not sure I believe Josh ever even hooked up with a prostitute, never mind was violent with one. People have a way with jumping at paid interviews with false stories. Why would they wait to tell their stories after the fact, they would make way more by breaking a story. And unless Josh was a regular I doubt they would remember what he looks like when the scandal did break. So I for one, am not putting any weight into those stories.

People in porn tend to have issues discerning good attention from bad attention.

[Fostersmom]

I'm not sure I believe Josh ever even hooked up with a prostitute, never mind was violent with one. People have a way with jumping at paid interviews with false stories. Why would they wait to tell their stories after the fact, they would make way more by breaking a story. And unless Josh was a regular I doubt they would remember what he looks like when the scandal did break. So I for one, am not putting any weight into those stories.

 

I haven't followed this story all that closely, but I'm not sure I'm buying the prostitute stories either. I mean, at this point, I could claim Josh and I had wild monkey sex and people would believe and run with it. For the record, this did NOT happen! LOL! But it wouldn't be too far of a stretch for random women to come forward looking for a few dollars for their story. 

 

I do have a question though, and forgive me if this has been covered, but how much porn are we calling an addiction here? Did Josh watch 8 hours a day or 8 hours in his entire life? I could see even 8 minutes in his whole life being considered an addiction by his crowd. 

[Tabbygirl521]

To me, Josh has serious problems -- the stories of violent sex with prostitutes suggest that he is seriously conflicted about women and sex and has a very difficult time with impulse control. We've talked a lot on these forums about how the Duggars parenting prevents their children from developing coping skills and learning impulse control. Josh is Exhibit A, but I don't think he'll be the last.

Unfortunately, the Duggars have invested themselves 100% into believing that the word of Jesus as interpreted by Gothard is the be-all and end-all of life. There is no way that they can process any of this in any other context. The "only thing" that they can do for Josh is to send him to Jesus jail and keep him under surveilance 24/7.

It is revolting to realize that, prior to marriage, the only female Josh was allowed to think of as sexual was . . . His mom. I mean, obviously he had his own creepy ideas in that regard. But only Michelle was allowed to be acknowledged as sexual. So inappropriate and disgusting. Because Jim Bob has no sense of respect or decorum, among many other deficiencies.

No wonder Josh has issues. I wonder about the rest of them, including the girls. How do you go from evil temptress to concubines in a matter of minutes? Ugh. Why can't I quit this mess.

[GeeGolly]

In Touch gave the first porn star that came forward a polygraph. She passed.

Certainly could be true. Not sure I believe everything In Touch says either though. I guess I'm a bit of a skeptic. 

[Churchhoney]

I'm not sure I believe Josh ever even hooked up with a prostitute, never mind was violent with one. People have a way with jumping at paid interviews with false stories. Why would they wait to tell their stories after the fact, they would make way more by breaking a story. And unless Josh was a regular I doubt they would remember what he looks like when the scandal did break. So I for one, am not putting any weight into those stories.

 

Yeah, me neither. I think there's definitely embroidery going on if not flat-out making things up out of whole cloth.

 

Among other things, while he may have thrown tantrums at them, I still call bullshit on that first woman saying he's the scariest man she ever saw. No way that tub of uber-lazy lard was that. Sorry. I also think that it's suspicious that both have been "porn stars" -- i.e., women looking for publicity -- rather than call girls or other kinds of sex workers. In their line of work there'd be a huge incentive to make things up -- because how many chances do they get to tell a tale that'll put them not only on the front page of tabs but in mainstream media as well? Look at the flurry of photo publicity the first woman got after she "came forward." She was definitely ready and waiting for her closeup. And of course Josh-trying-to-prove-my-manhood-Duggar would never deny the story of anybody who came forward -- true or false. So they know nobody's going to contradict them. Plus, as far as I can tell, people in the entertainment end of the sex trade are a less likely hookup. It's also suspicious to me that not one but two sex workers who aren't street prostitutes could apparently be easily talked into not using condoms. Insisting on condoms is pretty common these days among sex workers who aren't street prostitutes (who sometimes may court arrest by simply carrying condoms), and he ran into two who didn't seem to make it a priority at all? Also odd to me that a guy who always gets to have condom-free sex in his marriage made having condom-free sex with them such a priority. I can see that with guys with long histories of girlfriends insisting on condoms, but Josh has had the non-condom experience lots of times. So why would he push for that, especially since it would risk pregnancy and also passing on something to Anna that she might notice? Yeah, he might have, but it's just one more questionable statement to me. I still suspect the truth is fairly far from what we've been told.

In Touch gave the first porn star that came forward a polygraph. She passed.

 

Yeah, but people pass polygraphs all the time. This woman is more or less an actress, among other things. I expect she knows how to feign things. And I don't think we have any evidence for how rigorous a polygraph exam In Touch hands out, either.

[Satchels of gold]

I think a sexually experienced woman would scare the bejesus out of Josh.

[Vaysh]

I don't really have a problem in believing the first woman (I'm not sure about the second). She passed a polygraph which is not fool proof but Josh admitted to cheating on Anna, not just signing up for it or looking at porn but actual cheating. And I find it far easier to believe that Josh bought sex from a porn star rather than him actually being able to pull a willing woman. He's a balding, pasty-faced tub of lard with an off-putting personality; I just don't see how any woman would be attracted enough to have a one-night stand with him for free.

 

The way he supposedly acted with the first porn star actually makes her story more believable to me (though I think she may have embellished her own reaction to it just a tad) because it fits in with the whole patriarchal madonna/whore complex that I assume Josh is carrying thanks to Gothardism. It sounds like the kind of behaviour someone would exhibit whose sexual and social experience with women has been limited to his submissive virginal wife, his submissive defenceless sisters and porn. A patriarchal belief that women are second class citizens combined with a madonna/whore complex combined with watching pornography which, let's face it, more often than not is about degrading women or using them as objects, could very well lead to the belief that roughing up and degrading a real life sex worker is perfectly acceptable behaviour.

 

The more I find out about the patriarchal Christianity movement the more I'm convinced that they don't see women as real people. There's some disconnect going on, kind of how slave owners through the ages have been able to de-humanise their slaves by projecting all their fears and prejudices onto them and making them into objects in their minds.

[RazzleberryPie]

What's their definition of unfaithful? Just looking at a naked pic on the internet, or actually having intercourse with someone not your spouse?

[GeeGolly]

To Gothardites looking at porn is considered being unfaithful. And how many porn stars are actually selling themselves for sex on the side? If IMHO, the "tub of uber-lazy lard" (love that Churchie) that Josh is, paid for sex, I would think it was with ... I'm at a loss for words ... a common streetwalker.

[Vaysh]

Looking at porn may well be considered cheating in those circles and signing up for Ashley Madison definitely would be (hell, I'd consider that cheating) but honestly I think there was more to it than that because of how Josh's confession was worded, the fact that no denial of the first porn star's allegations was ever made and that he is now locked up in Jesus Jail. I just... I know they are weird, but are they really weird enough to send someone to rehab just for looking at porn and signing up for a stupid website that never lead anywhere?

[JoanArc]

Three women - Porn Star 1, The Pregnancy Scare Woman, Now Porn Star 2.

 

The pregnancy scare woman didn't revel her name, how they met, if she's a hooker, etc. I think that makes the story more believable. Or to put it another way, I think at least one of these women is telling he truth. Plus, there's more out there. Has to be, no matter if we ever learn of it or not.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221992/Second-mistress-Josh-Duggar-claims-suffered-pregnancy-scare-unprotected-sex-disgraced-star-goes-missing-Christian-rehab-clinic.html

[truthtalk2014]

I am sorry to say that I missed the meeting last night at RU.  I do PTL for all of you that made it. Josh thanks you.  PTL.

 

I did send myself to the prayer closet today for missing sermon. In there, I had a wonderful vision for a new reality show.

 

Send someone to live with the Dugs for 6 months- kind of like the torture Josh is accepting. 

 

Who would you send?  We know it is Gods will that Anna be impregnated again by now, I do have a few thoughts.  Back to the closet for me.

Edited October 4, 2015 by truthtalk2014

[NewDigs]

Ooh.

Fundie Wife Swap.

The possibilities...

Swap Michelle for one of the Housewives.

Edited October 4, 2015 by NewDigs

[Loves2Dance]

I'm not sure I believe Josh ever even hooked up with a prostitute, never mind was violent with one. People have a way with jumping at paid interviews with false stories. Why would they wait to tell their stories after the fact, they would make way more by breaking a story. And unless Josh was a regular I doubt they would remember what he looks like when the scandal did break. So I for one, am not putting any weight into those stories.

People said the same thing about Cosby and see how well that turned out. I think the first one was honest, any other who comes forward will have a lot of scrutiny; but I can totally see Josh Duggar being violent in bed so it's not hard to imagine. I think Anna's face when she was talking to her sister about what to expect spoke VOLUMES of the type of man Josh Duggar is in the sack and it's not a very good one. 

[Churchhoney]

 I know they are weird, but are they really weird enough to send someone to rehab just for looking at porn and signing up for a stupid website that never lead anywhere?

 

I actually think they are. ... I'm not sure they did. I think that whatever he did or didn't do it pretty much remains a complete mystery. ... But these people are truly nutso bananas when it comes to sex. I mean -- holding hands with or even being alone in a room with somebody of the opposite sex constitutes giving away a piece of your heart that you'll then be depriving your spouse of -- I've even seen them saying that stuff like that constitutes being unfaithful in advance to your spouse -- whom you don't even know yet.  It's positively insane.

 

Plus, the Ashley Madison thing all came on top of the other scandal and at the time they were frantically trying to get back on tv. So I wouldn't really be surprised by any level of overreaction.

 

I don't think we'll ever know anything even close to the truth about how Josh has conducted his life, actually. I don't think Anna or the Duggars will ever know either.

 

I'm not saying that I think Josh didn't have sex with anybody although i entertain that possibility. I just have doubts about these particular stories. ...

Edited October 4, 2015 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

I am sorry to say that I missed the meeting last night at RU.  I do PTL for all of you that made it. Josh thanks you.  PTL.

 

I did send myself to the prayer closet today for missing sermon. In there, I had a wonderful vision for a new reality show.

 

Send someone to live with the Dugs for 6 months- kind of like the torture Josh is accepting. 

 

Who would you send?  We know it is Gods will that Anna be impregnated again by now, I do have a few thoughts.  Back to the closet for me.

Me, me, send me. I will fill the house with dancing & singing and reading. I don't often wear dresses or skirts, but I could teach myself to sit like a lady for a few months. Oh the fun we would have building blanket forts, pretending that we were once monkeys, and princesses who save kingdoms. Then we can do cartwheels over to the pool, and we'll bring the dog with us. As we're floating we'll discuss all the opportunities in the world, from being astronauts, ballerinas, CEOs, and veterinarians. Me, me, send me.

[Chicklet]

GeeGolly, keep the dream alive.

But can you make tatertot casserole? Because you know-women's work.

[Wellfleet]

I agree that adult kids, especially those with families of their own, should be self-supporting.  But this is the Duggars and their warped POV has infantilized their kids.  The kids have grown up in isolation, with minimal contact with the regular world.  The parents have strictly controlled them all of their lives, right down to virtually choosing their mates for them.  Even Josh' 'rehab' is part of their creepy sect and he was undoubtedly sent there with JB and Michelle's approval. The only message he is getting there is that he is a sinner who needs to repent and the way to do that is to do what his godly parents want.  Josh isn't there to be helped, he's there to be re-indoctrinated into the cult.

 

The purchase of the house just proves what we've known all along: JB and Michelle think of their kids as possessions, like pets, to be trained and controlled.  And the kids have bought into it and don't know any other way.  It's sick and it's sad, but I think the fiasco of the scandal is probably dooming Josh and Anna and their kids to a lifetime under his parents' thumb.  It's what Jesus wants, doncha know?

 

And what about the oft-repeated yammering of "Leave and cleave?" They may talk about it, but they certainly don't seem to practice it. I honestly don't know if Boob understands what he wants. On one hand, they do everything Doodlebug outlined here. On the other, they are still minutely-involved with their children's lives, and not just the 18 and unders. That Boob & Me-chelle chose to speak up about Joshgate I happened speaks volumes, IMO. Can you imagine President Clinton's mother speaking to the press in the wake of the Lewinsky scandal? Or President Nixon's during Watergate? But Boob & Me-chelle are so far removed from the national mindset that they just do not get it. 

[Churchhoney]

And what about the oft-repeated yammering of "Leave and cleave?" \

 

My theory is that I think they know that this is what they're supposed to say. And it's what people want to hear. They made money and maybe still do making speeches on this. They wouldn't please the masses or rake in any cash preaching -- Create massive failure-to-launch syndrome deliberately among your offspring. ... But they're highly neurotic control freaks and this is what they really want to do. It suits their fears and their massive controlling tendencies. The cognitive dissonance that drives us nuts doesn't bother them at all, it appears. I guess they're so adept at denial that they can very easily say one of these things all the time and practice the other just as assiduously.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

More details in the finances thread -- JB purchased the $325,000 house next door (seen in Jessa pool videos) for Josh and Anna.

Josh is almost a 30 year old man. He doesn't need his dad buying him $325,000 houses, especially after he just had a job making the kind of money he did (actually, regardless, you just don't do that). He literally will never learn from his mistakes when his parents treat him like that. Gross.

Exactly. My blood is boiling thinking about how JimBob and his ilk view of those of us who work for others (who don't own our own businesses), went to college, women who work outside of the home, & limit our number of children as to actually be able to provide for them on a non-reality show income as sinners and less than while he buys his uneducated, uncouth, and unsavory child-man of a son his own home (and I assume that $325k in Nowhere, Arkansas buys a heck of a house).

The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing that this will be a prison for Josh and that JimBob & Michelle will reap what they sow here - even if it's just Josh's unending resentment. I just hope it doesn't negatively effect Anna, her kids, or any of the Duggars kids....but I find that unlikely. At best, the situation is sure to be tense.

$325k could have sent Josh to private colleges/universities and law school, as he had dreamed. Heck, $325k could make a huge dent in tuition at UofA or any state college for several, if not many, of the Duggar kids. You can bet when one of the Duggar kids eventually writes a tell-all (assuming it's not Josh who does it first) that one of the major themes will be how the parents favored Joshie boy even when he messed up and screwed things up for the whole family again and again.

Edited October 4, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Wellfleet]

My theory is that I think they know that this is what they're supposed to say. And it's what people want to hear. They made money and maybe still do making speeches on this. They wouldn't please the masses or rake in any cash preaching -- Create massive failure-to-launch syndrome deliberately among your offspring. ... But they're highly neurotic control freaks and this is what they really want to do. It suits their fears and their massive controlling tendencies. The cognitive dissonance that drives us nuts doesn't bother them at all, it appears. I guess they're so adept at denial that they can very easily say one of these things all the time and practice the other just as assiduously.

 

Totally agree. It does seem like other Gothardites adhere to "leave and cleave." Basically at least. The married Bates children all seem independent, even the Wallers and Kellers. Unless TFDW's mom spoke up for him in the midst of the Pecan Chronicles - and I missed it. No, I think Boob is unique in his overarching need to rule his kids and their lives.