Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[LilyoftheValley]

I knew if Josh messed around that he paid for it.  This guy has no game, despite what he thinks of himself.  

[riverblue22]

Now I understand why Jim Bob did not want Josh to take the FRC job.  I was a little confused by it since it would be promoting their values and their politics.  But he was concerned about having Josh outside his sphere of influence.  This stuff started while he was still in Arkansas and I wonder if his folks knew about some of it.

[wovenloaf]

Stripper/prostitute Danica has been given a polygraph by a certified examiner compliments of InTouch. She passed the polygraph.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-cheating-affair-mistress-ashley-madison-danica-dillon-68130

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Gah! Gold Club in Philadelphia! That place is a teeny little dump!  Like it's literally the size of a one bedroom apartment. (I think there might be a second location though? Maybe that one's the size of a 2-bedroom!) Which some people find charming, I guess (charming strip club? Okay.). But it doesn't seem like a logical place to go if you have a somewhat recognizable face...although there's probably not too many people at the strip club watching the Duggars, ha! 

This morning Good Morning America reminded me that Anna is just trying to "be understanding" because in her world it is "ungodly for a woman to show anger." My head exploded. I mean, I knew they thought that, but being reminded of it first thing in the morning was a bit too much for my pre-coffee self. I can't wrap my head around not being able to show some anger at your husband banging prostitutes while you waddle around 8 months pregnant, taking care of all the other kids and still getting his stupid (giant, I assume) plate of dinner on the table on time. How could she keep all that in? I'm desperately hoping it's all an act and she's shredding him to pieces when no one else is around. 

 

I was also thinking to myself how utterly alone I would feel if my father's response to that situation was "Well, you should just try to make it work." :'( Poor Anna. At times I don't feel too bad for her because she's an adult and she can leave. But then I think how horrible it would feel to have the people that are supposed to love you tell you have no right to stick up for yourself, no right to have feelings, no right to have an opinion about your own health and well-being (or your children's, for that matter), and, also, your own dad (Or whoever else. I'm very lucky to have a really really great dad, that's why the dad thing sticks out to me) doesn't give a flying fuck that you're roped to a cheating sack of shit that exposes you and your children to the risk of all sorts of diseases. I'm really glad her brother is sticking up for her - I don't love the way he went about it, but I think it's highly likely he's the only person in her life that actually has her back. 

[Aja]

I was also thinking to myself how utterly alone I would feel if my father's response to that situation was "Well, you should just try to make it work." :'( Poor Anna.

I know. My parents' reaction when I separated from my serial-cheater husband was "you're just going to give up?" It really makes you start to question your worth. And, once that starts happening, you cease to give a shit about what happens to you, you just want to get through the day without having a breakdown. I have no doubt that Anna's existence right now is internal crisis management every waking moment of her day. I hope her brother doesn't give up on her.

[Defrauder]

Josh having unprotected sex, hmm, maybe his double Joe Smithson was trying for a quiverfull of his own.

[Chai]

Well it was just a matter of time before an actual person was giving interviews and taking lie detector tests. Next question : how many?

[3girlsforus]

Apparently that came from Pa Keller?

 

"Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, he asked, “So David, what has God been doing in your life?” For the next forty minutes we had a very sweet time of sharing how God had been leading and guiding. To my joy, he was very open and excited. After a while, he stopped me and just said, “David, I really feel like God is the One working in your life to give you these desires toward Priscilla. I have only two questions for you: Are you willing to trust God with the size of your family and second, are you willing to be accountable to Priscilla for your Internet use.”"

 

If pa Keller asked David Waller this; do you think he also asked this of Josh Duggar? If so, Anna was set up to fail by her dad...OUCH!

 

As a parent of three girls I am trying to imagine what it will be like when a man comes into her life and they plan to marry. I'm sure there will be all kinds of things I'll worry about them dealing with- job, place to live, whether they want kids or not, etc.... There is no way my concerns would be getting them to agree not to use birth control and to control each other's internet. In fact if I found out her boyfriend wanted her to keep him accountable for something like that I'd urge her to break it off.

[Fuzzysox]

Josh having unprotected sex, hmm, maybe his double Joe Smithson was trying for a quiverfull of his own.

Or was too cheap to buy a box of condoms.

[Defrauder]

Or was too cheap to buy a box of condoms.

Or didn't know how to use them.

[Indy]

Or didn't know how to use them.

Yeah I don't think condoms were a part of the "men and women fit together like Legos" sex talk...

[3 is enough]

I took one for the team and went to Josh's Instagram account to see if he was dumb enough to post evidence of being in Philly back in the early spring.  Did not find anything, but wow, every single post has comments calling him a disgusting pig.  Why the hell does he not close the account?  Or at least go private? I am just baffled.

 

Apparently there is some sort of fundie rehab facility near Gothard headquarters.  Maybe Josh went there?  Guessing In Touch reached out to him for a comment before the story broke so he knew it was coming.  Jim Bob probably went ballistic and sent him packing.  I would bet anything they are hoping for some "exclusive interview" after rehab- the beginning of the "Josh Redemption Tour".

[Oldernowiser]

Now Jim Bob was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

And then God said, "Oh, shit, I didn't mean YOU, JimBoob. Sit down and shuddup."

[OhioMom]

It's the DailyMail, so take it with a grain of salt....but Danica (same stripper from the radar article) claims to have had unprotected, rough sex with Josh just a few months ago. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210828/Porn-star-says-terrifying-rough-sex-disgraced-Josh-Duggar-TWICE-wife-pregnant-fourth-child.html

Does anyone else think that this woman looks like some of Josh's sisters?  Maybe it's the camera angle and sunglasses. Creepy.

The woman said that she had unprotected sex with Josh. If she is telling the truth, then Josh didn't even care about Anna and the baby enough to use protection. I hope that someone in that family realizes that Anna must be tested for STDs immediately.

^This.  I cannot even fathom what was going on in his mind.   What a selfish %@$!@%&....

[subber]

We'll know whether or not the stripper was telling the truth if there are only crickets rather than a forceful denial in response. The no condom sounds like Josh. Wearing a condom would, in his feeble mind, be a greater sin than engaging in rough sex for pay with a stripper who appears in porn. Utterly predictable that anyone Josh banged would soon cash in bigtime.

As for Pa Keller, he doesn't care who he marries his kool aid swallowing daughters off to as long as he can be freed from supporting them and they never come back. Esther's married to a self-styled missionary who hasn't established a stable home for a wife and 8 Biblically named offspring. He gave his blessing to Priscilla marrying TFDW, knowing full well that if David sought out porn on the internet, he wouldn't be looking at photos of women. And then there's Josh. Even after admissions of child abuse, porn addiction, and adultery, Pa Keller's apparently fine with Anna being a humiliated doormat. So far the brother seems to be the only one who gives a shit what happens to her.

Edited August 26, 2015 by subber

[3girlsforus]

I really feel that in this cult people know things that are going on with other members but they keep it within the cult.  I think that  not only did Pa Keller know about Josh's internet porn habit but JB & Michelle did too.  They try to keep it from going public but when it does the apologies come out and they're not as mad at the person as they are at the media responsible for making it known.  I still call BS on JB & Mechelle's statement of 'when we found out late last night'.  BS.   Pa Keller made David Waller put the internet usage promise as the second most important thing for a reason, he knew about Josh. This cult keeps secrets and tries to keep them secrets.  They prefer to deal with things 'in house' as they call it. 

 

I think this is spot on. These men know what is going on and choose to ignore it. I also don't believe they care as much as they act like they do. To be sure they care when someone gets caught and shines a negative light on their "perfect" world. But the actual activity? They don't care about that. Men can do what they want. They aren't concerned with the feelings of the women. It's their job to forgive and forget. 

 

When JB and Michelle say things like 'found out late last night' I think they are practicing "Obi-wan' truth telling. It's true.... from a certain point of view. They may have found out late that night that Josh had an account on that particular site and it was going to be made public. So they consider their comment the truth. But the real truth is that they knew he does this kind of stuff even before he married Anna. 

[Rane]

I took one for the team and went to Josh's Instagram account to see if he was dumb enough to post evidence of being in Philly back in the early spring.  Did not find anything, but wow, every single post has comments calling him a disgusting pig.  Why the hell does he not close the account?  Or at least go private? I am just baffled.

That would require Joshy have actual internet access. I doubt JimBoob is letting him anywhere near a computer or phone right now - which means Joshy can't close the account.

[cheatincheetos]

went to Josh's Instagram account to see if he was dumb enough to post evidence of being in Philly back in the early spring.  Did not find anything, but wow, every single post has comments calling him a disgusting pig.  Why the hell does he not close the account?  Or at least go private? I am just baffled.

Maybe some like Josh get off on feeling that they're being martyred, never mind that the comments are because of bad behavior and not simply because he has different beliefs.

Or didn't know how to use them.

His ear was likely completely safe from STDs after putting one on.

[3 is enough]

Maybe Josh has been banned from using his phone and accessing the internet. But surely Jim Bob, as image-conscious as we all know him to be, would have had enough sense to shut down Josh's social media accounts?  Guess he subscribes to the " there is no such thing as bad press" school of thought.

 

And seriously? Josh is a 27 year old man.  The thought that Daddy is still calling all the shots is just so wrong.

 

Josh has done a lot of terrible things, and he is 100% responsible for his choices. But did it ever occur to Jim Bob and Michelle that maybe if he had been allowed a normal childhood and adolescence, he would not have gone down that path?  

[Chai]

That would require Joshy have actual internet access. I doubt JimBoob is letting him anywhere near a computer or phone right now - which means Joshy can't close the account.

That's probably true! This is like the Island of Dr Moreau with all the science experiments running amok.

[barbedwire]

So sad for the M kids.  Having to be shuttled to another home.  Probably feeling the tension between mom and dad.  Nutty grandparents all around.

 

And the Bible says to be angry but sin not.  So Anna yell, scream, and call that pig every name in the book but don't off him.

[OhioMom]

The woman said that she had unprotected sex with Josh. If she is telling the truth, then Josh didn't even care about Anna and the baby enough to use protection. I hope that someone in that family realizes that Anna must be tested for STDs immediately.

If true, what woman in her right mind would have unprotected sex in a situation like that? Isn't she concerned she may have caught something from Josh?  Unless, I guess, she's already got something, and it can't get any worse.

Edited August 26, 2015 by OhioMom

[BitterApple]

I'm not so sure I believe the Daily Fail article. Scandals like these always bring bottom feeders out of the woodwork, looking for their fifteen minutes of fame. Not to mention polygraphs aren't foolproof and largely depend on the skill/experience of the person administering the test.

If Josh was actually in Philly during that time, I'll be suspicious, but right now I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

[Chai]

Maybe Josh has been banned from using his phone and accessing the internet. But surely Jim Bob, as image-conscious as we all know him to be, would have had enough sense to shut down Josh's social media accounts? Guess he subscribes to the " there is no such thing as bad press" school of thought.

And seriously? Josh is a 27 year old man. The thought that Daddy is still calling all the shots is just so wrong.

Josh has done a lot of terrible things, and he is 100% responsible for his choices. But did it ever occur to Jim Bob and Michelle that maybe if he had been allowed a normal childhood and adolescence, he would not have gone down that path?

It must have crossed their minds by now!

[6 MeowMeowBeenz]

don't they generally charge more for unprotected?

[Isthisok]

So it's confirmed Josh has entered rehab. Whoever posted about the Duggar plane's flight plan was spot-on.

[3 is enough]

 

So it's confirmed Josh has entered rehab. Whoever posted about the Duggar plane's flight plan was spot-on.

Where did you see this ?

[Aja]

In Touch and Radar Online should be paying US, for Gothard's sake.

[SometimesBites]

Thanks for all the info. Is there a link?

 

But wow. Talk about a backhanded compliment. (In case it isn't obvious, I think purity rules are horrible and woman-oppressing. YMMV)

Agreed, Anne Elk. Most religious and cultural rules that place restrictions on women pretend that it's done to honor females. Here, wear this burkah, this black bonnet, this giant neck-to-knees dress for swimming...because you're so precious, so holy, so pure and wonderful. Not buying it. It's about power and control, and the refusal of men to take absolute responsibility for their own sexual ideations and proclivities. As I said before, it's Bronze Age thinking.

 

The Duggar females having to swim while fully dressed is ridiculous. Grown-ass men like Josh (et al) needing their wives to monitor their internet use is asinine. If a man can't manage himself in his everyday life without either being constantly policed or piling ever more draconian RULES on women, I'd say we maybe better switch to matriarchal societies. Change the rules and clamp down on the gender most often getting up to trouble. Maybe the Joshes of the world need a law that they must wear a bag over their heads at all times, except when in the shower alone, or when handcuffed to their own beds at night. Apparently these dudes cannot be trusted, and they seem to know it. If a man has a problem managing himself, then let him volunteer to restrict his own freedom--don't lay your twisted trip on me, though.

Edited August 26, 2015 by SometimesBites

[3girlsforus]

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-rehab-68188

[3 is enough]

"Faith-based" rehab.  Cause we all know how well that worked the first time...

 

There is no hope for these idiots.  None.

 

My heart breaks for the rest of the Duggar sons, as well as Josh's two boys.  How many of them will have issues as well?  And the girls- they will never get the help they need.

 

Jim Bob and Michelle are officially the worst parents ever.  Hope they burn in hell for what they have done to their kids.

 

I wish someone could swoop in, grab all the kids and send them to a deprogramming camp- Josh, Anna, Jessa and Ben included.

 

Glad Derick and Jill are far away.  Hopefully his mom can talk some sense into them. Or his step-dad, who seems to have no use for JB & M.

Edited August 26, 2015 by 3 is enough

[yogi2014L]

The duggar family official also said he is in a 'long term' treatment facility

http://www.duggarfamily.com/2015/8/duggar-family-statement

 

"We are so thankful for the outpouring of love, care and prayers for our family during this most difficult situation with Josh. As parents we are so deeply grieved by our son’s decisions and actions. His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. He has also brought great insult to the values and faith we hold dear. Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center. For him it will be a long journey toward wholeness and recovery. We pray that in this he comes to complete repentance and sincere change. In the meantime, we will be offering our love, care and devoted support to Anna and our grandchildren as she also receives counsel and help for her own heart and future. During this time we continue to look to God—He is our rock and comfort. We ask for your continued prayers for our entire family."

 

Pickles says he is in Chicago. I currently am 500 feet from  a Chik fil la near Downers Grove so my chances of seeing him are great. LOL

 

 At least Anna gets him out of her way for a long time, hopefully she will realize she is A ok on her own and leave!

Edited August 26, 2015 by yogi2014L

[Satchels of gold]

Wow maybe the hobby lobby therapy wasn't such a great idea after all. Who knew?

[3girlsforus]

 His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. 

 

This is code for 'cost our family the gravy train'...

[3girlsforus]

Notice how they say that Anna is getting counsel.... not counseling. In other words 'we are telling her what to do'. I ache for her and her kids. Josh is getting 'poor Josh you need help' and Anna, the actual victim, is getting 'you will stay and you will like it'. 

 

Didn't one of the younger boys get moved from a regular phone to a very unsmart phone as some kind of punishment? Makes you wonder how many of the Duggar boys are resorting to online porn for their sexual outlet.

[galax-arena]

He'll emerge after six weeks and the Duggar brigade will go for a full court press and say that he's cured and he really really is a true God-fearing, Bible-believing Christian this time and we should all forgive and forget and not continue holding this over his head because everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days. 

[barbedwire]

I wish Anna would take the kids and flee to one of her siblings while Josh, well, whatever he is doing.  If JimBoob won't give her the money I would run up the credit cards or sell my wedding ring to get the money and go.  Or take Daniel up on his offer.  She doesn't need to be around them!  She needs real counseling.

 

Those poor other boys.  They are probably on sexual lockdown.  "Let me check your phone!"  "Did you just look at her chest?"  "Are you making your pile of mashed potatoes into a sculpture that looks like a woman's butt?"  "Why are you taking such a long shower?!"

[3girlsforus]

And how must the Duggar girls feel about this? They know JB will pick their husband and can see that he is all about protecting Josh and throwing Anna under the bus. It has to be cementing the idea that he doesn't care about their wellbeing at all. 

 

And I just think calling it sex-addiction is such a cop-out. Satan made him do it. Anna's failure made him do it. Now addiction made him do it. Responsibility... look it up, Josh.

[mapleleaf]

Not sure if that has been posted already (sorry if it has!)

 

It's another statement from JB and Michelle.

 

http://www.duggarfamily.com/2015/8/duggar-family-statement

[barbedwire]

And that expectation that you must stay married at all costs.  Hookers?  Stay married.  Promises not to do it again, and does it again? Stay married.  Child molester? Stay married.  Liar? Stay married.  Brought home an STD?  Stay married.

[Fuzzysox]

So it's confirmed Josh has entered rehab. Whoever posted about the Duggar plane's flight plan was spot-on.

Hanging out with TFDW does not constitute rehab to me.

 

David is probably tickled pink about it through.

[wovenloaf]

Notice how they say that Anna is getting counsel.... not counseling. 

I soooooo wish it meant she was getting a lawyer, divorcing his filthy ass, and getting every blasted dime of alimony and child support she can. *sigh* 

[riverblue22]

I don't think Josh even believes in this religion so what good will their gothard rehab do him?  He'll just say and pray what they want to hear.

[ariel]

He'll emerge after six weeks and the Duggar brigade will go for a full court press and say that he's cured and he really really is a true God-fearing, Bible-believing Christian this time and we should all forgive and forget and not continue holding this over his head because everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days. 

 

...and at least 1/2 of the families the Duggars know have also had their sons make the same mistakes. 

 

Also,  if the hooker story is true, the sexual act just took a second & she didn't feel anything (actually this part might be true)

Edited August 26, 2015 by ariel

[Anne Elk]

I wouldn't object to them calling it an addiction if I thought he was getting some real therapy for it, but I'm sure it's just more praying. Have the Duggars ever heard the expression about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? Hint: This lifestyle is not working for Josh! He admitted leading a double life! He's just going to tell you whatever you want to hear until he gets caught again!

 

But they believe they are 100% right, everyone else is wrong, so this is the only thing they will ever do to help him. More of the same stuff that messed him up in the first place.

 

Also, I've been thinking about Jessa's remark in the Megyn Kelly interview about how Josh was "sly." It was such a strange choice of word and really not appropriate for the context of what she seemed to be saying, it really stood out to me. Now I wonder if maybe she knew or suspected Josh was leading a double life and was trying to hint about it while outwardly "keeping sweet." 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Anne Elk

[barbedwire]

And in all of this will it occur to them to go away, lead quiet lives out of the spotlight and..  I duno..... maybe.... SHUT UP ALREADY!?

[Julia]

Wow maybe the hobby lobby therapy wasn't such a great idea after all. Who knew?

 

Josh Duggar: Just one more way we're applying our values to the uteri of America. We're Hobby Lobby. We're special that way.

[Isthisok]

Leviticus 20:10 should be plastered all over their social media. They looooove the Old Testament, right?

[Satchels of gold]

And the people who are defending him......it's ok to be wrong it really is. I'm wrong a lot. I thought John Edwards was the new JFK....I was wrong. Really,really wrong.

[Mariva]

The Gawker did some investigating and they think Josh may be in a "Christian-based" addiction facility in Rockford, IL. Link: http://gawker.com/is-this-where-josh-duggar-is-in-sex-rehab-1726687142

Edited August 26, 2015 by Mariva

[Fuzzysox]

The Gawker did some investigating and they think Josh may be in a "Christian-based" addiction facility in Rockford, IL. Link: http://gawker.com/is-this-where-josh-duggar-is-in-sex-rehab-1726687142

I sure hope this place is real with accredited doctors on staff.