Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Chai]

I have to wonder. When the door is closed and it's just Anna and her ball and chain, does she keep on staring at him adoringly? Just how deep does this pathos go? Having been married myself for a very long time to a very big douche (although it must be said, Josh Duggar makes my ex look like...um...some guy famous for being a terrific husband...?...mind is blank), it's impossible for me not to put myself in her situation. I know Anna and I are two very, very different girls, but good lord, she has to have SOME sense of self, doesn't she? Like when Josh comes walking in with mustard stains on his shirt and crumbs around his mouth with his doughboy muffin top spilling over his belt buckle, does she at least roll her eyes when she thinks he can't see?

Absolutely! I think she should sue him for fraud among a list of others.

[SFoster21]

Her brother has said that he wants Anna to leave Duggar.

[3girlsforus]

That's sort of the whole Duggar "philosophy" (and Gothard's as well), though, isn't it? They don't seem to allow anything to go on without the promise of some kind of "accountability partner" or "Nike shouter." They don't seem to believe that anyone can control their own impulses regarding anything. I guess I chalk that up to Gothard and Jim Bob and maybe Michelle being so bad at controlling their own impulses that they simply believe it's true for everyone -- and that it can't be fixed. What an appalling and terrifying world view. Also explains why they think education is meaningless, too, I guess. We're all just Pavlov's dogs. ... Horrible

 

Very true. Gothared, Jim Bob,  and Michelle assume it's true for everyone because they view themselves as so superior to everyone else that there is no way they have a problem everyone else doesn't have. 

Edited August 24, 2015 by 3girlsforus

[Loves2Dance]

If I'm doing the math right, even if you don't count the postpartum time out (WTF with twice as long after giving birth to a daughter? I don't even want to know...) that's two weeks out of every month and every Saturday night that's a no-sex zone.

I don't give two shits. It still doesn't excuse anything.

A woman is dirty after having a girl; versus a boy. 

 

That is why it's twice the time; it represents her impurity. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

I want to know why Josh (or whomever it was) changed the wording of his original "apology" or whatever that statement was supposed to be.  

 

Specifically, why were the references to pornography and the Devil setting up shop in Josh's heart (or his underpants or wherever) removed? What purpose was served ... other than making Josh look dumb for rushing to post something he regretted, then dumber for thinking he could magically suck it back up from cyberspace when he changed his mind? 

 

The guy is an admitted night-creeping sister-fondler and he's acknowledging being unfaithful to his wife.  Who cares about a little porn at this point? And anyone who even knows who Josh Duggar is probably already knows he and his family blame everything on the Devil, so it's hardly a shock to hear them claiming this latest debacle is all Satan's doing, as usual.  

 

I just don't see the great need for his original statement to be edited in the way it was.  Maybe someone thought he shouldn't try to claim "the Devil made me do it" because it was weak and not owning what he did.  Maybe. But why eliminate the admission about being obsessed with porn?  Is that like .. supposed to be worse than groping your sleeping sister or stepping out on your wife with some 'ho from the internet?   Because, I will tell you this ... I would damn sure rather find out my man was peeping at porn than either of those other two other things, lol.  Or was Josh saving up his porn addiction admission for his next mea culpa, after god knows what is revealed about him? 

 

The whole editing thing is just goofy and odd, and seems so purposeless.  Even for the Duggars. 

[Defrauder]

Did Josh choose Anna to be his wife because she had experience working in a prison ministry?  

[Tabbygirl521]

Since Josh is his own headship (ugh, that term), why would he have to submit to a chaperone, giving up his computers, etc? On whose authority? Threat of excommunication from the pretend church? I don't get it.

[Fuzzysox]

Her brother has said that he wants Anna to leave Duggar.

Apparently he wants everyone to know since it hit People Magazine today. 

 

http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-brother-daniel-keller-slams-josh-duggar-on-facebook?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag

[LilyoftheValley]

I want to know why Josh (or whomever it was) changed the wording of his original "apology" or whatever that statement was supposed to be.  

 

Specifically, why were the references to pornography and the Devil setting up shop in Josh's heart (or his underpants or wherever) removed? What purpose was served ... other than making Josh look dumb for rushing to post something he regretted, then dumber for thinking he could magically suck it back up from cyberspace when he changed his mind? 

 

The guy is an admitted night-creeping sister-fondler and he's acknowledging being unfaithful to his wife.  Who cares about a little porn at this point? And anyone who even knows who Josh Duggar is probably already knows he and his family blame everything on the Devil, so it's hardly a shock to hear them claiming this latest debacle is all Satan's doing, as usual.  

 

I just don't see the great need for his original statement to be edited in the way it was.  Maybe someone thought he shouldn't try to claim "the Devil made me do it" because it was weak and not owning what he did.  Maybe. But why eliminate the admission about being obsessed with porn?  Is that like .. supposed to be worse than groping your sleeping sister or stepping out on your wife with some 'ho from the internet?   Because, I will tell you this ... I would damn sure rather find out my man was peeping at porn than either of those other two other things, lol.  Or was Josh saving up his porn addiction admission for his next mea culpa, after god knows what is revealed about him? 

 

The whole editing thing is just goofy and odd, and seems so purposeless.  Even for the Duggars. 

My guess is that Michelle and Jim Bob helped him write it, and they changed it only after they immediately got a bad reaction online from it.  When I read the very first one I thought, what a turd; he is blaming the devil and porn.  No doubt a lot of other people said that too.  Then when it was just porn (for several hours), even more people were livid that this guy was essentially blaming porn.  The thing with the Duggars is that because they all have low character, they were not able to grasp the idea that people with good character would find blaming the devil and porn to be repugnant.  It was only after they got the bad reaction that they knew they had fucked up, and that is why they changed it.  They don't actually know what it means to be a good person, and so they can only go by the cues they get from others and adjust their words accordingly.  

[Flowers]

I'm glad Anna has a brother who wants to support her, and as interesting as it is for us to get the perspective from a sibling, I think he's an asshole for putting this on social media. The tabloids will get ahold of this and it'll get more media attention. Her parents certainly may be (selfishly) concerned about how it would reflect on them if she ever left Josh, but I think her brother is a jerk to be disrespectful to his parents by putting this out there. It's not a good look for the brother, IMO.

Wow.

What's right is right. There is no "disrespect" if what someone is doing is calling attention to parents who have thrown their children to the wolves.

I hope Daniel keeps posting. Also, my sympathy for Anna has run out.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I love the cover of that People Magazine, featuring Jessa and Jill with the headline "Life After Scandal."  Yeah, right, lol.  Just as another scandal breaks, ha.  

 

Obviously a tad premature with that particular caption, I would say.  

 

Perhaps they should have gone with the title "Life Amidst the Scandals" or something similar. 

[Maharincess]

I'm so off the the Prayer Closet for where my mind went on that one---I mean, Anna IS married to Josh after all. And Josh well...Bwahahahahaha! I needed that laugh, thank you!

I don't get it. Why is that funny?

What am I missing here?

Edited August 24, 2015 by Maharincess

[CarolMK]

I'm glad that Anna's brother Daniel spoke publicly. I'm sure the postings will be pulled but at least a lot of people will know that not all of Anna's family supports Josh's actions. The news article did quoted Daniel as being the oldest, but it's not true, their sister Esther with a missionary husband in Africa is and they have 9 children, I think. She's in her mid thirties.

[Defrauder]

My guess is that Michelle and Jim Bob helped him write it, and they changed it only after they immediately got a bad reaction online from it.  When I read the very first one I thought, what a turd; he is blaming the devil and porn.  No doubt a lot of other people said that too.  Then when it was just porn (for several hours), even more people were livid that this guy was essentially blaming porn.  The thing with the Duggars is that because they all have low character, they were not able to grasp the idea that people with good character would find blaming the devil and porn to be repugnant.  It was only after they got the bad reaction that they knew they had fucked up, and that is why they changed it.  They don't actually know what it means to be a good person, and so they can only go by the cues they get from others and adjust their words accordingly.  

I kind of like version 1 the best with everything included.  Satan, porn, his past.  Version 2 kept the porn and got rid of Satan and I thought they may have done that because they didn't want people to actually think that Satan built a fortress in his heart after all, it might scare away their faithful friends and make him look like Satan. Version 3 removes any mention of his past, porn, and Satan, and he's just some run of the mill unfaithful guy.   Version 1 counters Michelle's fox interview where she defends Josh with his 'soft heart'.  

[SometimesBites]

I want to know why Josh (or whomever it was) changed the wording of his original "apology" or whatever that statement was supposed to be.  

 

Specifically, why were the references to pornography and the Devil setting up shop in Josh's heart (or his underpants or wherever) removed? What purpose was served ... other than making Josh look dumb for rushing to post something he regretted, then dumber for thinking he could magically suck it back up from cyberspace when he changed his mind? 

 

The guy is an admitted night-creeping sister-fondler and he's acknowledging being unfaithful to his wife.  Who cares about a little porn at this point? And anyone who even knows who Josh Duggar is probably already knows he and his family blame everything on the Devil, so it's hardly a shock to hear them claiming this latest debacle is all Satan's doing, as usual.  

 

I just don't see the great need for his original statement to be edited in the way it was.  Maybe someone thought he shouldn't try to claim "the Devil made me do it" because it was weak and not owning what he did.  Maybe. But why eliminate the admission about being obsessed with porn?  Is that like .. supposed to be worse than groping your sleeping sister or stepping out on your wife with some 'ho from the internet?   Because, I will tell you this ... I would damn sure rather find out my man was peeping at porn than either of those other two other things, lol.  Or was Josh saving up his porn addiction admission for his next mea culpa, after god knows what is revealed about him? 

 

The whole editing thing is just goofy and odd, and seems so purposeless.  Even for the Duggars. 

Okay, here's my thought about why he made those two changes--pure speculation mind you.

 

Jim Bob: "YOU GOT CAUGHT DOING WHAT????!!!!"

 

Josh: *weeping and gnashing his teeth. "I'm SORRY, Daddy! I'm a sinner! Oh God, I'm ruined!"

 

JB: "You're ruined? What about ME? We're trying to keep our noses above water here, and you're turning on fire hoses! Why, I oughta..."

 

Josh: *louder sobs and incoherent babbling

 

Half-savvy Mystery Duggar Media Advisor (HMDMA): "All right, both of you, just simmer down. Josh? Stop whining and listen to me." *slaps Josh across the face. "Listen! The only way you have a snowball's chance of getting ahead of the all out shit storm headed your way is to make a public statement."

 

Josh: *sniveling "A...a statement? Okay. I like making statements. Where's the camera?"

 

HMDMA: "The cameras are gone, Josh. You have to write this one. On a computer."

 

Josh: "I like computers."

 

JB: *lunges again

 

HMDMA: "Yeah, you like computers. I know. Now listen up. You have to make this an apology--a big one. Don't pull any punches, don't be coy, just lay down. All the way under the bus. Let it roll right over you. Make 'em believe it, kid. Capisce? Now get outta here."

 

later...

 

Josh: "I did it! I confessed. *wipes brow. "I feel a lot better! Can we go get some pie, Daddy?"

 

HMDMA: "Lemme see this first." *reads Josh's apology online, gets only as far as the I watched porn and became unfaithful to my wife part, shakes head. "Who are you trying to kid, buddy-boy? I see what you did there. Kinda playing loose with the facts, don't you think? Kinda dancing around reality. So it's not your fault--it's bad old porn's fault, is that it? And maybe this way you can imply you didn't actually do the nasty with other women?" *shakes head slowly. "Fix it. Nobody gives a rat's ass you looked at porn. You cheated on Anna--that's what's got them angry. Now go say "I was unfaithful to my wife."

 

Josh: *leaves room, head hanging, lip quivering, a tear dripping from his round chin.

 

HMDMA: *reads the rest of the confession and gets to the Satan part. "JOSH! Get in here!"

 

Josh: *peeks around corner.

 

HMDMA: "Get rid of the Satan part, too."

 

Josh: "But I already changed it."

 

HMDMA: *face-palms "You can't blame porn, and you can't blame Satan. BLAME YOURSELF, you idiot! Now change it again!" *turns to JB. "This is it, man. I'm done. Next time, call that Mike guy from Breaking Bad to clean up the kid's mess. I'm outta here."

[GeeGolly]

I only glanced at part of the minister's sermon, but the focus shouldn't be about making sex a priority it should be about making communication a priority. I get that sex can get lost in the hustle & bustle of work and raising a family, but some times it needs to take a back seat. My hubby & I have been together 33 years and at different times during those years we were dealing with a lot of issues that took top priority.

 

The Duggar theory on sex is whacked. A wife (and husband, in the real world) need flexibility in their relationship to allow sex to take a back seat at times without hurt feelings, or worries of cheating.

 

And personally I ain't nobody's pin cushion nor would I ever be.

 

IMHO cheating usually has very little to do with sex anyway.

[Satchels of gold]

The board was moving so fast when the news broke I forgot to give a shout out to the funniest thing I've read in a long long time. After statement one was released one of you brillant posters wrote.

" I hope Satan built a pillow fortress, those are the best kind" flipping hysterical!

[Loves2Dance]

I don't get it. Why is that funny?

What am I missing here?

Maybe her brother could give her some spunk?

 

Josh messed with his sisters.

Daniel is Anna's brother.

Spunk is a slang term for male ejaculation fluid aka sperm.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I have to wonder. When the door is closed and it's just Anna and her ball and chain, does she keep on staring at him adoringly? Just how deep does this pathos go? Having been married myself for a very long time to a very big douche (although it must be said, Josh Duggar makes my ex look like...um...some guy famous for being a terrific husband...?...mind is blank), it's impossible for me not to put myself in her situation. I know Anna and I are two very, very different girls, but good lord, she has to have SOME sense of self, doesn't she? Like when Josh comes walking in with mustard stains on his shirt and crumbs around his mouth with his doughboy muffin top spilling over his belt buckle, does she at least roll her eyes when she thinks he can't see?

I've met Anna. It's not all sweetness, I assure you. She drops the milk and honey act when there's not a camera stuck in her face.

[Celia Rubenstein]

My guess is that Michelle and Jim Bob helped him write it, and they changed it only after they immediately got a bad reaction online from it.  When I read the very first one I thought, what a turd; he is blaming the devil and porn.  No doubt a lot of other people said that too.  Then when it was just porn (for several hours), even more people were livid that this guy was essentially blaming porn.  The thing with the Duggars is that because they all have low character, they were not able to grasp the idea that people with good character would find blaming the devil and porn to be repugnant.  It was only after they got the bad reaction that they knew they had fucked up, and that is why they changed it.  They don't actually know what it means to be a good person, and so they can only go by the cues they get from others and adjust their words accordingly.  

 

Good GAWD. They seriously ran that shit up the flagpole to see who would salute it, and then they edited it based on the response they got?  I am astonished.  I know I shouldn't be.  This is the Duggars we are talking about. Yet I am stunned by the .... gargantuan stupidity ... of such a choice.  Don't they know that once out there, the original statement will never go away? And by changing the original statement, they create a whole new story about what they removed and what they added and why they changed what they did.   

 

I agree, the whole "blame it one the Devil and porn" rationale is extremely turdish .... very weak.  But changing the statement after it received a bad response pushes it into a whole new realm of insincerity.  I mean, you either believe the evil force known as pornography caused it or you think Satan was in control or... you don't.   Eliminating references to either factor because they were poorly received is patently manipulative.  I know, it's the Duggars and no one should be surprised. Their whole existence is one big lie. 

 

I just wish they would decide if they are going to hide behind their religion (and blame everything on the Devil) or hide their religion ( and not admit they blame everything on the devil).  Pick a side, people, pick a side!  

Edited August 24, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[Fuzzysox]

I'm shocked that as idiotic as the Duggars are they aren't working some angle so they can "explain" away this latest mess on some talk show or news show.

I've met Anna. It's not all sweetness, I assure you. She drops the milk and honey act when there's not a camera stuck in her face.

DETAILS!!!

[OSM Mom]

A woman is dirty after having a girl; versus a boy.

That is why it's twice the time; it represents her impurity.

What the everloving fuck???

[Julia]

I think the idea that the sermon itself was somehow insensitive of Anna Duggar is based on some misapprehensions...

 

If there is a problem, the problem is Derick's, not the pastor's.

I see your point, except, I wonder,

Because up to this point, Derick has been extraordinarily cagey about who they're on a mission for, and hasn't really, that I noticed, put anything on social media specifically making reference to this church. When the molestation scandal hit, they quietly got the Dillards out of Dodge on very short notice. Would Derick, who publicizes himself heavily on social media, have publicized the mission arm of their home church if asked? Sure he would. But he didn't, and I have to think there were conversations about that.

Now, Josh up and gave his faith community (and let's face it, I'm sure there are doctrinal differences between the Dillard's church and what the Duggars practice which make them extremely distinct theologically to someone inside that community, but this is a way bigger scandal than that, and a lot of people are going to tar with a very broad brush) and activist conservative christianity in general a big fat black eye by being a lying whoremonger who allowed a bunch of people of respect to vouch for him and then endorse his reformation when he knew there was another shoe left to drop and he was in no way reformed.

Now, this week, is the time Derick chose to publicly associate himself specifically to introduce this particular sermon? And somehow he knew ahead of time that this long-planned sermon was going to say something he thought people really needed to hear right now about sex? And the head of an entire denomination gave a sermon where he blamed the culture and the spouse who's not putting out and didn't find time to address personal responsibility for sin and the damage done by the straying spouse or maybe say that he held the victims in his heart when he knew all eyes were on a sinner and his victims right down the road?

Yeah, I'm afraid I really do think that this is an attempt to talk away a huge public embarrassment by blaming the victim. I'm open to the possibility that it was intended to be directed at victims in general, but I really question if it it was publicized quite this way by accident.

Also, really, leaving aside whether or not he had any thought of Anna at any point here (and I'd like to know why the hell not), I find it kind of horrifying that someone who thinks this little of the strength of the human soul is running a megachurch, much less a denomination.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Julia

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I'm shocked that as idiotic as the Duggars are they aren't working some angle so they can "explain" away this latest mess on some talk show or news show.

DETAILS!!!

Their roving hate bus came into my backyard, so I went out of morbid curiosity. John David stared at my ass for half an hour. Josiah has the firmest hand shake I've ever encountered. I guess manliness is demonstrated through ones ability to break someone's hand? Jana looks like a light breeze will knock her over. Fragility just radiated out if her. I've never seen anything like it in someone her age. Josh is pompous and greasy. Anything I noticed about his womanizing seems suspect now, but I will say that he talked to me for a long, long time (mostly about basketball and the liberal politics of the Raleigh Durham triangle.) Anna just really dropped the act. I got a feeling that she wore more of the pants in the family more than people give her credit for. Among friends, I called Anna being pregnant with Meredith long before they announced. Edited August 24, 2015 by FakeJoshDuggar

[galax-arena]

Jana looks like a light breeze will knock her over. Fragility just radiated out if her. I've never seen anything like it in someone her age. 

#FreeJana

[CarolMK]

I'm just wondering, suppose Josh had done something in which he was arrested and had to serve time in prison....let's say a significant amount of time, 20 years or so. Would Anna then be allowed to divorce him or would she be forever stuck standing by her man...a man who can no longer support her financially or emotionally ?

[Joe Jitsu913]

I 100% believe that Anna fakes her "sweetness" for the cameras. She's said some snide comments on the show and you can tell she thinks she's a speshul snowflake. It doesn't mean she deserves this shitstorm though. As for Josh, I can guarantee he will never ever change, even after being caught. He'll just find something equally devious and move onto that. My own Minister cheated on his (now ex) wife with some fugly ass woman in our church. He confessed in front of the entire congregation (on Christmas Eve!) with tears and swore he would never do it again. His wife agreed to stay with him until she found out he had a porn addiction. He swore up and down he wouldn't look at porn, but she caught him again. I can see this happening over and over with Josh and Anna. If Anna won't leave Josh due to child molestations and cheating, then I'm afraid this will keep happening.

So sad considering she's putting her kids and her health in harm's way. What if he gave her an STD? Would Anna even know the symptoms? If she did know, would she stay with Josh anyways and pray about it?

[Satchels of gold]

I'm surprised they don't have a menstral hut in the yard.

[Cherrio]

"So sad considering she's putting her kids and her health in harm's way. What if he gave her an STD? Would Anna even know the symptoms? If she did know, would she stay with Josh anyways and pray about it?
REPORT THIS POST"

 

Of course, because they think they are all doctors, lawyers, PR people ......etc.

 

Anna will take some Anti-pray-otics  and go along on her merry delusional way.   Remember though, she could of already passed an STD onto her new baby.

[Julia]

John David stared at my ass for half an hour.

 

If it's not out of line to ask, are you a boy anon or a girl anon?

[Churchhoney]

a whole new realm of insincerity

 

If the Duggars were to get a new show (which dog forbid) or publish another book or anything, this is what I want it to be called.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Churchhoney

[HundFan]

I doubt [Anna will] listen though. She's too fargone.

"Fargone" should be added to Webster's "great new words" list.  It can be used as an adjective or a noun. For etymology see Duggar, Josh. Here are some contextual examples of proper use:

                                                                         * * *

Anna would never again allow herself to be poked by the Pillsbury No More Dough Boy. Even her love for their once great hand sex was fargone. Now she knew what kind of Family Research those fleshy paws had been up to. Apparently, it wasn’t fargone enough for him that he’d molested his own sisters. (That thought alone made her want to blister her Headship’s nuts with burning Tater Tots. And send shivs to the prisoners counseled by her father, the man who pushed her toward the SuperFund Site called Josh despite the fact he knew his future SIL had already been measured for a wardrobe of orange jumpsuits.)

 

But now Josh had gone exponentially fargone, taking 10 years worth of her cookie jar change to surf porn sites for tall, short, blonde, brunette and bald tarts (and men posing as tarts). Women who wore jeans and lingerie and immodest swimwear and liked to lounge in bubble baths chocked full of sex toys.

 

For over 30 minutes now Anna had been shuttling the kids' stuff out to the car. And Josh, sitting on the sofa with his laptop, was eating a large sandwich and hadn’t looked up once. But Anna's Gothardette days were done.

 

"Bye, asshat. This help-meet is fargone."

 

Josh hadn't even realized she was there. Startled, he slammed the lid of the laptop down. Shit. Had she caught sight of the brand new account he'd just opened as "Smith_The_Man Joeson" at Ashley Madison? She wasn’t smiling. Or even looking at him. That was weird.

 

"Is something wrong, honey?" The sippy cup of sweet tea he’d wedged between the cushions tipped over, wetting his crotch and the bottom of his new iPrey shirt.

 

"You're fargone," she spat back. Anna flung the front door open and bounced the red wagon that held her four kiddos down the stairs. She rolled them toward the car, and, one-by-one, loaded them inside. The need to face her husband was so strong, so Pavlovian, nearly irresistible. Yet Anna looked only at her children as Josh, who hadn't yet bothered to get up from the sofa, stared through the open door at the back of his wife's head.

 

"Fargone like my love for you,” she screamed. “Fargone like your waistline."

 

Now Josh stood. And the Reuben and the plate it was on tumbled to the floor. He stopped chewing just long enough to watch Anna drive off, all four of his children in tow.

"God damn. God fucking damn it! Josh dropped to his knees, then crumpled forward. But with a little luck he could still get most of the pastrami and sauerkraut back on the rye. Maybe lunch wasn't fargone after all.

Edited August 24, 2015 by HundFan

[3girlsforus]

Since Josh is his own headship (ugh, that term), why would he have to submit to a chaperone, giving up his computers, etc? On whose authority? Threat of excommunication from the pretend church? I don't get it.

 

I think the reality is that for all of their talk of headship and 'leaving and cleaving' the reality in the Duggar family is that everyone is subjugated to JimBob. If JimBob thinks Josh needs to give up all of his computers etc then that's what is going to happen. Josh may have had some distance from that when he had a salary from FRC but now no only does he not have that job anymore, he has no hope of having really any kind of job. His only hope is to kiss JB's butt

Edited August 24, 2015 by 3girlsforus

[Chai]

Their roving hate bus came into my backyard, so I went out of morbid curiosity. John David stared at my ass for half an hour. Josiah has the firmest hand shake I've ever encountered. I guess manliness is demonstrated through ones ability to break someone's hand? Jana looks like a light breeze will knock her over. Fragility just radiated out if her. I've never seen anything like it in someone her age. Josh is pompous and greasy. Anything I noticed about his womanizing seems suspect now, but I will say that he talked to me for a long, long time (mostly about basketball and the liberal politics of the Raleigh Durham triangle.) Anna just really dropped the act. I got a feeling that she wore more of the pants in the family more than people give her credit for. Among friends, I called Anna being pregnant with Meredith long before they announced.

Thank you for the extra details. It gives me a bit of hope knowing she drops the act when she isn't being filmed. I hope she has it in her to become a stark raving b1tch and really make his life miserable. for a while.  She should limit or have no wifi or cable and get rid of the smart phones for him. He can borrow one of the flip phones with no internet access from his Dad until he proves he won't abuse it. No computer= no porn addiction. My earlier recommendation for the super glue still stands! no problem with him straying then! ( I hope she does it) and keeps her countenance sweet while doing so!

"Fargone" should be added to Webster's "great new words" list.  It can be used as an adjective or a noun. For etymology see Duggar, Josh. Here are some contextual examples of proper use:

                                                                         * * *

Anna would never again allow herself to be poked by the Pillsbury No More Dough Boy. Even her love for their once great hand sex was fargone. Now she knew what kind of Family Research those fleshy paws had been up to. Apparently, it wasn’t fargone enough for him that he’d molested his own sisters. (That thought alone made her want to blister her Headship’s nuts with burning Tater Tots. And send shivs to the prisoners counseled by her father, the man who pushed her toward the SuperFund Site called Josh despite the fact he knew his future SIL had already been measured for a wardrobe of orange jumpsuits.)

 

But now Josh had gone exponentially fargone, taking 10 years worth of her cookie jar change to surf porn sites for tall, short, blonde, brunette and bald tarts (and men posing as tarts). Women who wore jeans and lingerie and immodest swimwear and liked to lounge in bubble baths chocked full of sex toys.

 

For over 30 minutes now Anna had been shuttling the kids' stuff out to the car. And Josh, sitting on the sofa with his laptop, was eating a large sandwich and hadn’t looked up once. But Anna's Gothardette days were done.

 

"Bye, asshat. This help-meet is fargone."

 

Josh hadn't even realized she was there. Startled, he slammed the lid of the laptop down. Shit. Had she caught sight of the brand new account he'd just opened as "Smith_The_Man Joeson" at Ashley Madison? She wasn’t smiling. Or even looking at him. That was weird.

 

"Is something wrong, honey?" The sippy cup of sweet tea he’d wedged between the cushions tipped over, wetting his crotch and the bottom of his new iPrey shirt.

 

"You're fargone," she spat back. Anna flung the front door open and bounced the red wagon that held her four kiddos down the stairs. She rolled them toward the car, and, one-by-one, loaded them inside. The need to face her husband was so strong, so Pavlovian, nearly irresistible. Yet Anna looked only at her children as Josh, who hadn't yet bothered to get up from the sofa, stared through the open door at the back of his wife's head.

 

"Fargone like my love for you,” she screamed. “Fargone like your waistline."

 

Now Josh stood. And the Reuben and the plate it was on tumbled to the floor. He stopped chewing just long enough to watch Anna drive off, all four of his children in tow.

"God damn. God fucking damn it! Josh dropped to his knees, then crumpled forward. But with a little luck he could still get most of the pastrami and sauerkraut back on the rye. Maybe lunch wasn't fargone after all.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!     LOL!

[EarlGreyTea]

I think Daniel will remain estranged from the rest of the family. Publicly slagging off her parents, in addition to publicly discussing what you discussed with her, in private, for no good reason doesn't really build trust.

 

While I agree with every word he said (and gave an almighty cackle at some of his answers, my God it felt good to see the leghumpers have one of their own kind call them out), you're probably right. The Duggars are probably convincing her to keep a united front. Daniel's comments will only alienate her further since they were public (never mind that Jessa did the same thing but passive-aggressively cloaked it in Bible verse).

 

If there's one thing I would wish for Anna right now, I hope that she has a friend.

 

Granted we only see part of their lives, but she seems to have hardly any friends not named Duggar or Keller. Wasn't she the one who made some snippy comment about how her single friends didn't have real jobs like she did, because she was a mom? That might alienate some people really quickly.

Edited August 24, 2015 by EarlGreyTea

[Albanyguy]

Can you masturbate once you're hitched?

 

 

You can't masturbate at all, single or married. In their world, masturbation is considered a loathsome sin, just like viewing porn. When a man masturbates, he is wasting the precious seed that God intended for him to use for only one purpose - to impregnate his wife. And a woman masturbating would be considered sinful because she's doing something selfish instead of devoting her energy to serving Jesus and her family.

 

And speaking of a woman serving Jesus and her family, I have a terrible hunch that right now Anna is purposing to get pregnant again as soon as possible. Anna has always been obsessed with popping out babies and having one now would carry great symbolic weight for her. It would be her way of showing the world that she has forgiven Josh for cheating, that Josh has forgiven her for causing him to cheat (UGH!), that their marriage is back on track and that God has blessed her with a tiny little reward for her steadfastness...a "miracle baby". I hope I'm wrong, but we can't underestimate how deep into the Gothard kool-aid she's always been.

 

I 100% believe that Anna fakes her "sweetness" for the cameras. She's said some snide comments on the show and you can tell she thinks she's a speshul snowflake.

 

 

As sorry as I feel for what she's going through right now, I've never liked Anna. I think she's just as phony and self-absorbed as any of the other Duggars. When she married Josh, she fully embraced her in-laws' values and reveled in the relative luxury of her new life. She was always happy to use her sisters-in-law as unpaid servants whenever Michelle released them from their duties at the TTH. I think that she will stay with Josh at least in part because, even in their newly-reduced circumstances, she has a better shot at a comfortable lifestyle with him than she would if she returned to the grinding poverty of the Kellers.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Albanyguy

[Flowers]

When the Duggars visited the trainer's friend's church (when Marcus' gender was eventually announced) you could clearly see non-sweet Anna. She had zero patience for being there and it was written all over her puss.

[JoanArc]

 

I'm surprised they don't have a menstral hut in the yard.

They have a nicely appointed steel outbuilding, with kitchen and bedroom. Close enough.

[kathe5133]

And speaking of a woman serving Jesus and her family, I have a terrible hunch that right now Anna is purposing to get pregnant again as soon as possible. Anna has always been obsessed with popping out babies and having one now would carry great symbolic weight for her. It would be her way of showing the world that she has forgiven Josh for cheating, that Josh has forgiven her for causing him to cheat (UGH!), that their marriage is back on track and that God has blessed her with a tiny little reward for her steadfastness...a "miracle baby". I hope I'm wrong, but we can't underestimate how deep into the Gothard kool-aid she's always been.

But it hasn't been 90 days since she gave birth to a GIRL! Aren't her ladybits all germy?

[Fuzzysox]

While I agree with every word he said (and gave an almighty cackle at some of his answers, my God it felt good to see the leghumpers have one of their own kind call them out), you're probably right. The Duggars are probably convincing her to keep a united front. Daniel's comments will only alienate her further since they were public (never mind that Jessa did the same thing but passive-aggressively cloaked it in Bible verse).

 

 

Granted we only see part of their lives, but she seems to have hardly any friends not named Duggar or Keller. Wasn't she the one who made some snippy comment about how her single friends didn't have real jobs like she did, because she was a mom? That might alienate some people really quickly.

anannaaaaaaaaddddddd that she was married and had someone to take out the garbage.

[Ilovemylabs]

What the everloving fuck???

This is from the old Testament.  Perhaps someone who is Jewish might be able to explain.  There are lots of restrictions including taking a special bath called a mikva( I probably spelled that wrong), but I think mostly orthodox and Hasidic women do this.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Ilovemylabs

[Julia]

Wasn't she the one who made some snippy comment about how her single friends didn't have real jobs like she did, because she was a mom? That might alienate some people really quickly.

 

She's not completely wrong about that. US labor laws don't allow the kind of hours that raising infants and toddlers require. Hell, I'm pretty sure there are some things about having a newborn or a toddler in the house that are covered under the Geneva Convention. 

 

However? There are plenty of women who support themselves under much less pleasant and affluent conditions than Anna does looking after way more than four children without a dozen or so unemployed sisters-in-law to help out for a minimum wage paycheck. She really needs to check her spot on the privilege slope.

 

eta:

 

And a woman masturbating would be considered sinful because she's doing something selfish instead of devoting her energy to serving Jesus and her family.

JMO, a woman masturbating would be considered a sinful because it would put pressure on her husband if she knew what an orgasm was.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Julia

[not2serious]

I think the reality is that for all of their talk of headship and 'leaving and cleaving' the reality in the Duggar family is that everyone is subjugated to JimBob. If JimBob thinks Josh needs to give up all of his computers etc then that's what is going to happen. Josh may have had some distance from that when he had a salary from FRC but now no only does he not have that job anymore, he has no hope of having really any kind of job. His only hope is to kiss JB's butt

 

I don't know why we all think Josh is unemployable.  He wouldn't be, if he weren't lazy, and if he rejected his dad's ridiculous belief that it's wrong to work for a boss (besides JimBob himself).  He's a white Christian guy with four kids in Arkansas.  If he weren't allergic to manual labor, he'd get hired somewhere doing something useful.  He doesn't have a criminal record, and as we found out, a lot of people dismiss what happened with his sisters as childhood curiosity.  Cheating on your wife is hardly the unforgivable sin, either; my husband has worked in two male-dominated fields that don't require college degrees (firefighting and construction), and I promise you, no one cares if you cheat on your wife, unless she comes to the station/main office and causes problems.  Someone would hire him.  He just won't really look.

[Churchhoney]

I see your point, except, I wonder,

Because up to this point, Derick has been extraordinarily cagey about who they're on a mission for, and hasn't really, that I noticed, put anything on social media specifically making reference to this church. When the molestation scandal hit, they quietly got the Dillards out of Dodge on very short notice. Would Derick, who publicizes himself heavily on social media, have publicized the mission arm of their home church if asked? Sure he would. But he didn't, and I have to think there were conversations about that.

Now, Josh up and gave his faith community (and let's face it, I'm sure there are doctrinal differences between the Dillard's church and what the Duggars practice which make them extremely distinct theologically to someone inside that community, but this is a way bigger scandal than that, and a lot of people are going to tar with a very broad brush) and activist conservative christianity in general a big fat black eye by being a lying whoremonger who allowed a bunch of people of respect to vouch for him and then endorse his reformation when he knew there was another shoe left to drop and he was in no way reformed.

Now, this week, is the time Derick chose to publicly associate himself specifically to introduce this particular sermon? And somehow he knew ahead of time that this long-planned sermon was going to say something he thought people really needed to hear right now about sex? And the head of am entire denomination gave a sermon where he blamed the culture and the spouse who's not putting out and didn't find time to address personal responsibility for sin and the damage done by the straying spouse or maybe say that he held the victims in his heart when he knew all eyes were on a sinner and his victims right down the road?

Yeah, I'm afraid I really do think that this is an attempt to talk away a huge public embarrassment by blaming the victim. I'm open to the possibility that it was intended to be directed at victims in general, but I really question if it it was publicized quite this way by accident.

Also, really, leaving aside whether or not he had any thought of Anna at any point here (and I'd like to know why the hell not), I find it kind of horrifying that someone who thinks this little of the strength of the human soul is running a megachurch, much less a denomination.

 

Well, it's not like the sermon actually mentioned Anna or Josh. And if you had planned the first in a series of five sermons on sex, and that first sermon had been scheduled for a Sunday that -- quite coincidentally, unless we believe that the Ashley Madison hackers were somehow in cahoots with Cross Church -- immediately followed a big sex news story like the AM hack, how could you possibly give that sermon without at least mentioning the Ashley Madison cheating issue? Obviously you couldn't.

 

And as for Derick publicizing it -- Well, he knew there was a sex problem in Jill's family and he also knew there was a sermon at his church that day on sex.The sex series has been long publicized as their fall kick-off, which so many churches do to get people back into the pews when summer vacation is over. And I suppose this pastor knows that sex sells and gets bodies in seats. 

 

Anyway, so Derick publicized the live feed of a sermon on sex in his church, a church that he obviously likes and probably would like to suck up to. But just like I can't believe that Cross Church was in cahoots with the hackers on the timing, (ha!), I can't believe that they were somehow in cahoots with Derick on the timing or whatever. How important is Derick in their scheme of things? How important are the Duggars in their scheme of things?  I suspect not very, in either case. And Cross Church gets a whole lot of publicity on its own, and hardly needs little two-bit Derick somehow pushing it. So I don't see what kind of plan there would have been, from either the church or from Derick, to somehow promote the Duggar view of things or indeed make any particular comment on the Duggars, pro or con.. (Cause I guess this is what you're suspecting?) .... Anyway, I don't know why a Southern Baptist church that isn't currently in the middle of any scandal would have the slightest desire to call attention to or promote anything about the Duggars' situation or their view of anything. Why would they? I don't see how either promoting the Duggars or bashing the Duggars would help them at all. I would think that distancing themselves from the Duggars would be their main aim, really.

 

And did you listen to the sermon? I was curious so I did (although I had it in the background as I was doing other things, so I'm sure I missed stuff) but it in no way focused on this include-the-cheated-on-partner-in-the-blame thing. Yeah, that was in there. But, in my opinion, really only to the degree that that's something said in pretty much every conservative Christian commentary on infidelity that I've ever heard.

 

The sermon was clearly the opening to a series, because it was basically a summary of all the topics you'd expect a conservative church in today's hey-let's-be-misogynistic-even-outside-of-Mars-Hill environment to touch on. He gave stats about how many people are unfaithful (physically and emotionally, of course), how long affairs typically last, how many cohabiting couples break up without marrying or after marriage, why gender identity is fixed-by-God-God-damn-it-and-not-fluid-a-bit, how cheating harms you and your family and everybody, how it's important to dress modestly, how porn is wrong and incest is wrong and how people of any age or gender or whatever can commit these sins yada yada yada yada yada. It was a clearly a "tell-em-what-you're-gonna-tell-em-in-the-next-four-sermons" type speech and it touched on all the current conservative sex hot buttons.

 

And then it had the expected section on how people should interact sexually in a marriage. But, again, it didn't really focus on the part that the news media and social media are focusing on because it could point to Anna -- the part that obliquely includes the cheated-on partner in the blame by saying that if you don't give your partner what your partner needs and craves then that person is probably going to get that from someone else. Yeah, that was said -- he said a lot of stuff about giving yourself over to your spouse completely, for sex, for love, etc. And that if you didn't, you could expect trouble of some kind.

 

But he also did what I expect to hear from churches trying to act mainstream today -- he couched a whole lot of it, maybe most of it, in non-gender-specific language, and made a point of saying that men should give themselves over wholly to their wives in love and all that stuff. There was definitely the implication that women better put out or face a husband who strayed. But he also tried to downplay that by going on at quite some length about how men should make it a big point to enjoy their wives' bodies, give them pleasure, be in love with them etc etc. 

 

When you read the "news stories," they imply that there was some kind of special focus on saying that your spouse will cheat if you're not meeting the spouse's needs. But in the context of the whole thing it struck me as only a blip among many many blips. And since I wouldn't expect any conservative Christian sermon on sex today not to say that, I have a hard time thinking that it was any kind of message to anyone about Anna or anything else Duggar-related. As far as I could tell, he said at least as much about cohabitation, homosexuality, the importance of men staying in love with their wives and expressing it, etc. etc. as he did about that. ....

 

Obviously, MMV about what was in that sermon. But to me it didn't seem Anna-Duggar-focused at all (and it certainly didn't mention her by name or description or in any other way). And I can't even imagine what kind of strange conspiracy that church would be involved in that would include blaming Anna to somehow pump up the Duggar point of view on the Josh-Anna issue ....or whatever conspiracy it is that people are thinking is there. I doubt that Cross Church gives a crap about the Duggars and I really doubt that they'd want to be associated with them in people's minds in any way at all at this point, if that's what people are thinking ....

 

Anyway, that's how it seems to me.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Marigny]

You can hear Josh thinking about it can't you - OK a different name so I don't get caught and no one will know it's me.  Joe, yeah that sounds good.  Now for a last name - Smith!  No, no too common, hey I'm smart I'll put SON at the end of it!  Joe Smithson - perfect!  NO ONE will ever know it's me. Make him an organ donor, nice guy you know in case he suddenly dies or something.  Maybe I should go into the fake ID business.  Or rather Joe Smithson can.  What kind of girls does Joe like?  Alll kinds.  Joe does it all.  Bubble baths, gentleness, Joe's a great guy.  He'll even walk your dog for you if you go away.  Got a secret love nest anyone? Joe needs a place to stay. 

Something tells me that Joshie came across that name while watching one of his online pornos and ran with it. #DirkDigglerAtYourService

[EarlGreyTea]

 

She's not completely wrong about that. US labor laws don't allow the kind of hours that raising infants and toddlers require. Hell, I'm pretty sure there are some things about having a newborn or a toddler in the house that are covered under the Geneva Convention. 

 

However? There are plenty of women who support themselves under much less pleasant and affluent conditions than Anna does looking after way more than four children without a dozen or so unemployed sisters-in-law to help out for a minimum wage paycheck. She really needs to check her spot on the privilege slope.

 

 

I get what you're saying. I'm sorry for implying stay at home moms don't work! They certainly do. What I got from Anna's comment was more that she thought any work besides being a mother wasn't as valid.

 

[Julia]

I definitely don't believe that the church was in collusion with the hackers at all. What I am disturbed by is that someone who represents a denomination which is not even a little averse to hellfire-and-brimstone preaching about sexual sin gave men who broke the laws of God and men (again, according to their own reckoning) a get out of jail free card by blaming society and their wives when they knew that the specific offender all eyes were on screwed not only his wife but the entire community and leadership which defended him.

I have trouble not reading that as victim blaming in the service of, I'm sorry to say, more hypocrisy.

Mileage varies, of course.

eta:

 

I get what you're saying. I'm sorry for implying stay at home moms don't work! They certainly do. What I got from Anna's comment was more that she thought any work besides being a mother wasn't as valid.

Oh, really don't worry about it. I went back to work outside the home (lobster shift, so she'd have a parent with her as much as possible) when mine was not yet one, because we needed the money. Between morning childcare, a two-plus-hour commute, and a job which frequently stretched to ten or twelve hours, I got maybe at most six hours of sleep a night for five years, and frequently less. Believe me, my emotional response to Anna's entry into the mommy wars is "Match me, Ace."

Edited August 25, 2015 by Julia

[Granny58]

All this Gothard rules of sex begs a couple questions for me, can they have sex when the female is pregnant?  I see that's not covered in the rules above, but clearly you are "wasting seed" because you can't get pregnant if you are pregnant, and what about sex that is not of the type that you get pregnant from?

 

Can you masturbate once you're hitched?  The mind boggles.

It seems that they follow the Old Testament rules for when intimacy is allowed, and as far as I remember sex during pregnancy is permitted.  

[LilyoftheValley]

I'm surprised they don't have a menstral hut in the yard.

If they took the bible as seriously as they say they do, they would.  

[3girlsforus]

If they took the bible as seriously as they say they do, they would.  

 

Actually if the took the Bible as seriously as they say they do they wouldn't follow any of the OT rules. That's the whole point of the New Testament. Jesus came and His sacrifice replaced the need for all of the laws that were given to the Jews in Old Testament times.