Sew Sumi August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Anna's older brother Daniel - who also left ATI many years ago - sticks up for Anna. Calls Smuggar a "prik" and a "pig." Read what he says about Anna and their parents. Both responses are totally what we predicted here. Anna just does not have it in her to leave. :( https://instagram.com/p/6vQllYg4iM/ https://instagram.com/p/6vXxafA4jh/ 21 Link to comment
randomania August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 I hope this doesn't veer too much into "psychoanalyzing Josh" territory – mods, if it does, please delete and accept my apologies. I have a friend who's a dominatrix. One of her steadiest streams of income is "financial domination" – receiving money or gifts from men who for whatever reason enjoy spending money because some woman tells them to, without getting anything in return. Josh reminds me of those men. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all he did was spend money on AM because he took pleasure in secretly spending money on something illicit. If he subscribes to a world-view in which thinking about cheating on his wife is just as bad as doing it, spending $20 a month (plus a one-time payment of $250) is a relatively affordable way to get a thrill. 2 Link to comment
Fuzzysox August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Nice that the Keller's are more concerned with their status than what Anna has to suffer through. #parentsoftheyearwhere'stheplaque 17 Link to comment
Julia August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 It takes a fair amount of time to spend $1k at $20/month plus a one-time payment of $250. 3 Link to comment
Popular Post JoanArc August 23, 2015 Popular Post Share August 23, 2015 I hope Daniel never stops trying. Imagine Prissy's response to this crisis: 27 Link to comment
Granny58 August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Exactly. I am one of those Christians who doesn't believe in all this ATI bullshit. They've totally redefined Christianity. But I still think that a non-ATI Christian counselor could be the key to get Anna to really evaluate her situation. I've seen the effect when these legalistic fundamentalists meet Christians who don't define their faith by their rules. The person is presented with a person who has a deep faith and passion for the Lord without making 'look what I did' checklists. It can really cause the legalistic to question the foundation of the faith. I absolutely want Anna to dump Josh on his doughy butt. However, even more than that I want someone to help her understand that this isn't her fault. That she doesn't have to just accept his behavior. That she is allowed to step up and make demands of Josh if he hopes to salvage he marriage. And most of all that she is not required to stay with him as a function of her faith. I am hoping she will meet a Christian who can explain to her that Jesus isn't expecting her to suffer with Josh as a symbol of her faith to Him and the Christian marriage doesn't mean that the man does what he wants while the woman cleans his house and bears his children. all this and more! I want Anna to stay and work on their relationship IF she wants to, not because she must. 3 Link to comment
Oldernowiser August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Finally someone in that crowd I can get on board with. Hopefully he can threaten the day lights out of Josh and/or talk some sense into Anna. 6 Link to comment
JoanArc August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 http://www.people.com/article/cross-church-pastor-josh-duggar-ashley-madison-sermon Derick pimped this sermon. One of the most notable was the fifth suggestion, which mentioned keeping both husband and wife happy through "sexual contact," which may only be put on hold for "focused prayer." However, Floyd warned, if a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves "up to the attack of the enemy. The sermon version of 'Anna didn't give non-stop BJ's, at Josh's command. If she did, Josh wound'nt have cheated.' Floyd carefully stated that the service was not designed to make anyone "feel guilty," *snort* 19 Link to comment
Granny58 August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 This is a real question from my religiously naive self. If one is forgiven for all sins as long as one is a believer, what, other than the morals which the average person has, is the motivation to not sin? It appears to me that a less then moral person could use their belief as a Stay Out of Hell Free card. Speaking from a Christian perspective, which I assume you mean, you ARE forgiven of your sins if you repent and accept Jesus as savior. However, God being who He is, understands the motivations of the human heart. If you think salvation is a get out of jail free card and can sin at will, then you don't understand redemption and you are not yet forgiven. it is when you understand your sins and repent (and mean it) that you are forgiven and this change of heart also makes one not wish to sin further. People will sin, still...because that's how we are...and the saved will repent. 4 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) Nice that the Keller's are more concerned with their status than what Anna has to suffer through. #parentsoftheyearwhere'stheplaque I'm still seething about that, and I saw these posts a couple of hours ago. What kind of parents DO that to a daughter who is being made a complete fool by her cuckolding husband? Fuck you, Ma and Pa Keller. I have seen it with their two youngest boys being sent to the Wallers on many occasions; they are DESPERATE to have no more of their kids leave Gothardism. And Pa Keller is NOT a high-ranking person in ATI. I don't know how that rumor started, but it's just not true. They are just suck-up true believers. The prison ministry has only gained some esteem in the past few years because of David Waller. It wasn't because of his FIL, other than that he facilitates the Journey to the Heart for the kids to come down to preach to the inmates. Waller facilitated all of that from his position at Gothard HQ. But back on topic, with parents like these, who needs enemies? Poor, poor Anna. Not only does she not have the courage to leave, she has almost no support to do so. I hope she really understands what Daniel is willing to do for her here and maybe take him up on this in the next few weeks once things die down a bit. Edited August 23, 2015 by Sew Sumi 12 Link to comment
truthtalk2014 August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) I hope this doesn't veer too much into "psychoanalyzing Josh" territory – mods, if it does, please delete and accept my apologies. I have a friend who's a dominatrix. One of her steadiest streams of income is "financial domination" – receiving money or gifts from men who for whatever reason enjoy spending money because some woman tells them to, without getting anything in return. Wow! Might have to delete this part of my post too - but many moons ago, I was a bartender and had a creepy guy that would come in and want me to tell him what to do. Don't have that dominatrix gene so I would simply tell him to write me a check. He did many times. I can say that I felt no guilt until the last visit. His check bounced and my friend was the bank manager and told me that he and his wife had an account there for years. I think he was one of those guys. Josh may be as well- a compete opposite of Boob. He might want to be told to hand over money to a woman- for sexual purposes or other. I will go out on a limb, but I can see Josh as the type that really wants a woman to take control. I was so excited to see the posts from Anna's brother! I was shouting FINALLY at my computer. Geez! From the parents, the siblings, the in laws,etc - they seem to all defend the creep. Major kudos to Daniel Keller! And Anna's parents SUCK! They probably did have a clue about Josh but wanted to get Anna out of the house quickly. Zero respect for them at this point. Oh, and nice post Lawson! Edited August 23, 2015 by truthtalk2014 5 Link to comment
Granny58 August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Parents are an influence, sure, but how long can you blame your behavior on them? No one had an idyllic childhood but most people choose ethical behaviors. He, among any of the children, had more freedom and forgiveness. I think our parents are critically important in our personality development. And who even knows if Josh is blaming them. The thing is, he may not even understand those influences....yet. When some more maturity sets in, and he sees his children's life develop, it may all hit him. Personally, I didn't realize the impact my parents had on me until the last couple of years - and I'm almost retirement age!!! 4 Link to comment
ThinkerBell August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) Plus, he's a very ordinary-looking young man, neither handsome enough nor ugly enough to be memorable. Even those of us who've seen his face hundreds of times could walk right past him in a crowd and not recognize him (unless, of course, he was doing something Duggarish to attract our attention). If he introduced himself to a potential sex partner as "Joe" and resisted the temptation to brag about being famous, he could probably indulge himself safely. If you spend a lot of time answering ads on those sites, you quickly become accustomed to meeting people who look nothing like the photos in their ads. While most don't post photos of an entirely different person (although Josh wouldn't be the first), it's more common than not for someone to use a picture from when he was ten years younger or thirty pounds lighter, or a picture in which his face is hidden in shadows. Then they play the law of averages. Some people they rendezvous with will be disappointed and turn them down. Others will shrug and think "Well, nobody's perfect...my picture doesn't look much like me either...he seems nice enough...let's give it a whirl." Josh may have gotten lucky once or twice. . I suspect Josh Duggar fancied himself as quite the political mover and shaker, although we all know how delusional that is. He likely told his prospective mistresses that he couldn't use a real photo of himself because of the 'highly sensitive' and 'important work' he did. When he showed up for the dirty little tryst, he probably announced to the poor unsuspecting woman, "Well, here I am . . . I'm Josh Duggar!", thinking she would be impressed. I wonder how many times he had to explain who Josh Duggar is. Edited August 23, 2015 by ThinkerBell 11 Link to comment
Oldernowiser August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 So that sermon boils down to, "put out or put up." If I were Jill, I might think back in a few years when she's dealing with five kids under six and Derrick is giving her that crap and wonder what the hell she was thinking. And what an utterly shitty thing to do to Anna right now. Subtext, " it's all your fault." I want Anna's brother to go have a little chat with that "minister." 18 Link to comment
randomania August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 It takes a fair amount of time to spend $1k at $20/month plus a one-time payment of $250. If he were only paying for one account at a time, that would be... *scribble, scribble*... 36 months. The leak indicated that he was a member for a bit over two years, and that he was paying for two accounts much of that time. So if all he was looking and fantasizing, he got about two years of thrills in $20- and $40-dollar increments - amounts small enough to not be missed in a household budget. $250? "Business expenses, honey. I'll get reimbursed." Hey, he's already a terrible person in his mind for thinking about cheating - why not lie while he's on a roll with disappointing Jesus? 2 Link to comment
Churchhoney August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 So that sermon boils down to, "put out or put up." If I were Jill, I might think back in a few years when she's dealing with five kids under six and Derrick is giving her that crap and wonder what the hell she was thinking. And what an utterly shitty thing to do to Anna right now. Subtext, " it's all your fault." I want Anna's brother to go have a little chat with that "minister." Yeah. And that minister is the current President of the Southern Baptist Convention. Makes you wonder how far these ideas spread. 11 Link to comment
Julia August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) upon reflection, moved to the Derrick/Jill thread. Edited August 23, 2015 by Julia 2 Link to comment
Rhetorica August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 I think our parents are critically important in our personality development. And who even knows if Josh is blaming them. The thing is, he may not even understand those influences....yet. When some more maturity sets in, and he sees his children's life develop, it may all hit him. Personally, I didn't realize the impact my parents had on me until the last couple of years - and I'm almost retirement age!!! Even if we don't rationally admit parental influence, we can decide how to act. My mother was a monster. I chose not to be. Josh knew from biblical teachings, if nothing else, that adultery was wrong. Yet he pursued it and then blamed it in old Satan. 10 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Speaking from a Christian perspective, which I assume you mean, you ARE forgiven of your sins if you repent and accept Jesus as savior. However, God being who He is, understands the motivations of the human heart. If you think salvation is a get out of jail free card and can sin at will, then you don't understand redemption and you are not yet forgiven. it is when you understand your sins and repent (and mean it) that you are forgiven and this change of heart also makes one not wish to sin further. People will sin, still...because that's how we are...and the saved will repent. To the bolded, this is what I mean when I say that Smuggar is not spiritually where he wants people to think he is. He has obviously been sinning has ass off for three years on AM as well as other pickup sites and Facebook. He may have sincerely sought repentance when he was 16, but he seems to have thought that he didn't have to do it again; that he was washed clean and that anything he did afterward, no matter how heinous and hurtful, was okay with the big guy upstairs. That's why I don't think he is really all that religious (and why Jessa's post today highlighting god's forgiveness was laughable). Smuggles spent 20 years at home learning the ins and outs of this cult. He knows how to say the right things. He's lied before, who's to say he isn't going through the motions to save his ass? From what we've seen of him, it wouldn't be the first time. 6 Link to comment
Fuzzysox August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) I'm glad to see that Anna has a loving caring NORMAL brother who is willing to get her out of a bad situation. How awesome is he that he recognized that Josh needs some real help not just a pat on the back (as to say boys will be boys). IDK I know Anna is brainwashed but the women in the FDLS have escaped and have been de-programmed I have hopes for Anna. Edited August 23, 2015 by Fuzzysox 5 Link to comment
Churchhoney August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 (edited) Even if we don't rationally admit parental influence, we can decide how to act. My mother was a monster. I chose not to be. Josh knew from biblical teachings, if nothing else, that adultery was wrong. Yet he pursued it and then blamed it in old Satan. He knew from biblical teachings. And, although I don't think he's particularly smart, I'm sure he also could figure out that when you earn your living making high-profile political speeches in defense of "traditional marriage" you're both being a hypocrite ethically and courting a potential disaster for you and your employer if you spend your free time spitting on traditional marriage. For whatever reason, he chose to ignore quite a few clear signs that doing what he did was a bad idea. Who can unravel all that's really wrong with him? But what's quite clear is that he's made numerous lousy decisions, for years and years, when he clearly had to know that he should choose other options, for numerous reasons. I guess what bugs me the most about this that Anna, likely pushed and prodded by Josh's family and, we seem to learn from her brother, her own parents, will probably stay with him on the supposition that he can and is likely to change. But all we've got is a lot of evidence that, for whatever combination of reasons, he's such an inveterate maker of stupid and unethical choices that he's not going to. I guess if Satan gets into you, then it's supposed to be relatively easy to throw Satan out. Or if you were pushed by porn's evil influence to do bad things, you can just get an "accountability partner" and close your electronic doors to porn. Too bad that if you're doing things not because an external force possessed you but because of some complex tangle of your messed-up nature, your messed-up nurture, and your own free choices to do the fun and selfish thing rather than the responsible thing -- and this has been your habit for most of your life -- then changing is incredibly difficult. So difficult that only somebody brave, strong and desperate is likely to try and do it. And then can likely only succeed after years of struggle and with tons of competent outside help and a family-and-friends network truly committed to honesty and stalwart tough and loving support. I don't think Josh has any of that. I think his chances of truly changing are extremely slim. (and even slimmer as it seems the stupid Duggar clan are trying to push the damned forgiveness narrative again). Poor Anna. And, even more so, poor Smuggar children. Edited August 23, 2015 by Churchhoney 7 Link to comment
kathe5133 August 23, 2015 Share August 23, 2015 Instagram is new to me, but I am mindful that everything you read on the Internet is true, and everyone is who they say they are. (snark) That being said, why is Anna's "brother" posting on "freejinger"? Do we know it is her brother? I know if my husband had just publicly humiliated me I would welcome my siblings to post how they and my parents felt about this, and how I was handling it on a public board. What a brother! (again with the snark.) Do we know if it is her real brother? If it is, he is almost as big a piece of shit as Josh. Of course I want the inside scoop, but I know it will be a while before I get it. 3 Link to comment
Marigold August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I t6hink Josh went on AM site hoping for some action. He didn't get much and had to pay for a pro. I think he would mount anyone and pay for it. I hope he didn't give Anna a disease. Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) It's her brother. He goes on to tell someone that the parents' motivation is NOT to save Anna's marriage, but is all about saving face. He says he knows this because he was was raised by them. eta: Remember, he left ATI/Gothard because he refused to go into the prison ministry with Pa Keller, so there was a falling out. He drinks beer and his wife has body piercings and wears real swimsuits. So, not even "conservative" Christians, but more mainstream. These were also screenshots from FB, not twitter. There are STILL people out there defending Smuggar, even to Anna's brother who flat out called him a prick and a pig! I wish I could post more screenshots of the conversation (he has a closed account, so all of this is going on in relative privacy), but trust me, this is Anna's brother, and he has her back, going as far as to offer her plane fare and a place for her and the kids to stay. He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet. Edited August 24, 2015 by Sew Sumi 21 Link to comment
LilyoftheValley August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I'm glad to see that Anna has a loving caring NORMAL brother who is willing to get her out of a bad situation. How awesome is he that he recognized that Josh needs some real help not just a pat on the back (as to say boys will be boys). IDK I know Anna is brainwashed but the women in the FDLS have escaped and have been de-programmed I have hopes for Anna. Yeah except he is no longer a member of Rape Cult, so she is not supposed to turn to him for help. 5 Link to comment
Fuzzysox August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) Yeah except he is no longer a member of Rape Cult, so she is not supposed to turn to him for help.True but once Anna wakes from the fog she will know that there is someone watching out for HER. Edited August 24, 2015 by Fuzzysox 5 Link to comment
graefin August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 Those comments from Daniel are all posted on Jessa's latest FB post for anyone to see. He is definitely more, eh, mainstream than the others in the family. 3 Link to comment
kathe5133 August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 These were also screenshots from FB, not twitter. There are STILL people out there defending Smuggar, even to Anna's brother who flat out called him a prick and a pig! I wish I could post more screenshots of the conversation (he has a closed account, so all of this is going on in relative privacy), but trust me, this is Anna's brother, and he has her back, going as far as to offer her plane fare and a place for her and the kids to stay. He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet. I think he is a crappy brother. I know that Anna signed on to put her life on television, but she did not sign on for this. Why would he post publicly? Can he not support her in private? It just smacks of a brother with an axe to grind trying to publicly embarrass his parents and Anna is just the collateral damage. If he is truly estranged from his parents how does he know what they think and feel? I don't know why I am surprised. These people take the term "trash" to a whole new level. 1 Link to comment
TheFinalRose August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 That is one of the many things that is so f 'ed up with these cults, they turn kids/adults into robots (Jonestown, anyone??) who never get the chance to use their brain to learn how to make the best choices, never get to develop decision making abilities, their intuition, etc...IMO, God gave us brains to be used.... Amen to this! And, God also gave the same brains and talents to women. Otherwise he would have just inserted ovaries and a uterus and left the other parts out. I've been thinking a lot about the Fall of Josh Duggar. Mostly sympathy for Anna, and wishing she would be a different person so she could get out of the obligation she feels she owes to Josh to remain in the marriage. I like to imagine Jesus walking around the streets of Arkansas, doing his thing the way he did it, and stumbling upon this mess. I like to imagine that he would look very lovingly at Anna and tell her she did nothing wrong, and tell her to go her own way without any obligation to Josh--that the marriage she thought she had is no more. And he'd have separate words for Josh, probably loving but stern. As for JimBoob and MEchelle, I can't get out of my head their statement that they themselves are so pure that they can't imagine how anyone would act that way. Well, well, well, isn't that revisionist? Didn't MEchelle go to regular high school? Neither of them grew up the way they forced their children to... missing out on the experience of school, raising their own siblings, doing laundry and cooking and cleaning all day long. Then having the cameras in their faces with a complete focus on Mommy and Daddy's babymaking. JB and ME acted so superior, like they knew what they were doing in raising their family sheltered from the world but the truth is they had not experienced that kind of childhood, they really were just pulling all these idea out of their butts, making it up as they went along. I also like to think Jesus would be stopping at Jim, Boob and MEchelle's front door and very lovingly tell them to stop freaking out and remind them that he never told anyone to lock their kids inside the house to keep them safe from the world and he doesn't know where they got that idea and to cut it out. 13 Link to comment
Popular Post NewDigs August 24, 2015 Popular Post Share August 24, 2015 (edited) I think he is a crappy brother. I know that Anna signed on to put her life on television, but she did not sign on for this. Why would he post publicly? Can he not support her in private? It just smacks of a brother with an axe to grind trying to publicly embarrass his parents and Anna is just the collateral damage. If he is truly estranged from his parents how does he know what they think and feel? I don't know why I am surprised. These people take the term "trash" to a whole new level. Or perhaps he's a brother hoping to reach his sister through whatever means available. Wishful thinking? Dunno. How else might Anna wake from her fog? She's almost unreachable. Edited August 24, 2015 by NewDigs 28 Link to comment
JoanArc August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet. I don't wanna know what they hell would rock bottom be. 3 Link to comment
NewDigs August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I'm guessing that rock bottom would be Josh actually realizing and admitting he fucked up. Feels like nothing more than cya lip-service at this point. 5 Link to comment
MonicaM August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 These were also screenshots from FB, not twitter. There are STILL people out there defending Smuggar, even to Anna's brother who flat out called him a prick and a pig! I wish I could post more screenshots of the conversation (he has a closed account, so all of this is going on in relative privacy), but trust me, this is Anna's brother, and he has her back, going as far as to offer her plane fare and a place for her and the kids to stay. He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet. I don't believe he's at rock bottom. He's getting some terrible publicity and might be suffering from embarrassment, but so far he's still living a very nice lifestyle and his wife is apparently standing by her man. If/when the money stops coming in and he has to seriously consider how to support four kids without any job experience or education, he might start to slide towards the bottom. If his wife leaves (or throws him out) and files for divorce, alimony and child support, he'll move closer to rock bottom. The way it is right now, he still has everything to make his life comfortable and has no real motive to change. 19 Link to comment
msblossom August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 Anna's older brother Daniel - who also left ATI many years ago - sticks up for Anna. Calls Smuggar a "prik" and a "pig." Read what he says about Anna and their parents. Both responses are totally what we predicted here. Anna just does not have it in her to leave. :( https://instagram.com/p/6vQllYg4iM/ https://instagram.com/p/6vXxafA4jh/ I'm glad Anna has a brother who wants to support her, and as interesting as it is for us to get the perspective from a sibling, I think he's an asshole for putting this on social media. The tabloids will get ahold of this and it'll get more media attention. Her parents certainly may be (selfishly) concerned about how it would reflect on them if she ever left Josh, but I think her brother is a jerk to be disrespectful to his parents by putting this out there. It's not a good look for the brother, IMO. Link to comment
msblossom August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) Or perhaps he's a brother hoping to reach his sister through whatever means available. Wishful thinking? Dunno. How else might Anna wake from her fog? She's almost unreachable. I don't think Anna wants to be reached or rescued. Fog or no fog, she's committed to staying in her marriage (I wouldn't, but that's me). The only way I see her leaving, is if Josh slides back into this lifestyle of secretive adultery, that, or more crap comes out that he hasn't come clean with. Edited August 24, 2015 by msblossom Link to comment
GreyBunny August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 His and Anna's parents are assholes so they deserve to have some disrespect thrown in their faces. At least someone who is associated with this mess is calling Anna's cult-y parents and the Duggars out for being destructive jerks. 24 Link to comment
Showthyme August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 If we peel back the layers we can plainly see that Jim Bob and Michelle used their children for personal gain. No one can raise and nurture 19 children. The latest revelations concerning Josh may be God's way of telling Anna not to have any more children than she wants or can realistically handle. Besides just the day-to-day parenting, how does one support so many children without relying heavily on people outside of the family? It forces children to be something that they are not and live up to the expectations of people other than their parents because they know on some level who is the real provider. Anna is setting her children up to do the same because they are not going to be able to fully take care of their own children. Josh does not understand how the general population thinks. He believes that he can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven and keep the support, or even gain additional support, in his community. He clearly doesn't see what everyone else sees. He has no concept that he is a child molester, unfaithful spouse, and doesn't have what it takes to be a father, husband, employee, or friend. It is sad and sickening that 19 children are underequipped to compete in the real world without being subsidized by a TV show or ministry. It is even sadder that Josh and Anna have created a bad situation for their own children. I truly hope that these two won't have any more children and that Anna packs up the ones that she has and moves on from Josh. 20 Link to comment
NewDigs August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I don't think Anna wants to be reached or rescued. Fog or no fog, she's committed to staying in her marriage .... Maybe because she doesn't know any better? 10 Link to comment
Sew Sumi August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 Maybe because she doesn't know any better? And that is 100% on her parents. As for Daniel publicly calling them to the carpet, first off, they won't see it, and secondly, they're adults. The relationship between them is strained at best (Daniel is invited down to FL for holidays, but that seems to be it). Daniel saw what the parents did to Suze when she got pregnant out of wedlock (she was shunned for a while, but now also is invited home for the holidays), so yeah, I think he has a good idea of what his parents' mindset is when their children stray from the Gothard fold. To give a brief time synopsis of when things happened, he was still living at home when Rebekah left Gothard, so he saw that firsthand. Josh and Anna went to his wedding when they were on their honeymoon in Myrtle Beach, so he was still living at home until he was about 24. . Rebekah is second oldest and married at 21, leaving Gothard soon after. He's seen plenty, and been on the receiving end of it, so I think he's fully qualified to speak as to their true motivations. 13 Link to comment
leighroda August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I think it's a little funny that when the first scandal broke it was relatively evenly split between people who defended josh, said it was a long time ago etc, but with this release the defenders have remained silent (in my personal newsfeed, I know some people are still defending, I'm just not seeing the posts from my friends) 2 Link to comment
SometimesBites August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) ...Josh does not understand how the general population thinks. He believes that he can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven and keep the support, or even gain additional support, in his community. He clearly doesn't see what everyone else sees.... Boy howdy. The reason Josh was so quick to make a public statement and to make it extremely mea culpa is his belief that making a big display of anguished remorse is how we pick ourselves up, brush ourselves off, and start all over again. As my ex-husband used to say, "Geez, I SAID I was sorry! What's you're problem?!" Edited August 24, 2015 by SometimesBites 23 Link to comment
Wellfleet August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) Who knows, but I don't think Josh was likely looking for an ongoing affair per say, but just for sex. Probably more often and kinkier than Anna provided. I don't think it's that hard for anyone to find sex as long as they have cash. I wonder if he wore a disguise when meeting women. Agree. My bet is that Josh was looking - in essence - to be a teen, because he never got the chance when he actually was one. To have some of the sowing-wild-oats experiences most of us tend to have long before marriage, as teens and 20-somethings. By going to school together, by working together, going to [unchaperoned] social events and a little something called Casual Dating. My Dad used to say that "Dating was trying other people on for size, and seeing who was - and wasn't - a good fit for you..." But thanks to idiotic Gothard teachings, Josh didn't go to school, or walk part-time at Chick-Filet, however that's spelled. And he certainly never attended unchaperoned social events with girls who weren't relatives. No wonder those poor kids looked forward to that Big Sandy, TX deal every year. Any chance to see and possibly even talk with ANYONE besides their own family had to be hugely attractive to them. Edited August 24, 2015 by Wellfleet 13 Link to comment
Darknight August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 A lot of the email addresses ending in .mil (military) or .gov (government). Some were even sent from White House (doesn't mean the prez was involved...just someone there). No names yet, but I bet they will be coming out. How dumb can you be to use your job or personal e mail 4 Link to comment
cheatincheetos August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) "You're obligated to have sex with me." Steaming hot serving of obligator-tot casserole, right there. Edited August 24, 2015 by cheatincheetos 3 Link to comment
Showthyme August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 (edited) Maybe because she doesn't know any better? There is a lot of power in being the long-suffering wife. I don't think that Anna wants to leave now either. It has been engrained in her to stay with her husband. She has an image to uphold. She just had a baby and has other small children. Leaving would not be easy for anyone in her situation. It does make me wonder what is the final straw. There will be one. Josh isn't done thumbing his nose at his Gothard teachings. Edited August 24, 2015 by Showthyme 11 Link to comment
zenme August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I wonder if Josh will find a younger, pants wearer, who somehow finds him attractive, if THEN, he'll leave Anna. I think that's the only way Anna will agree to a divorce. 3 Link to comment
charmed1 August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 It does make me wonder what is the final straw. There will be one. Josh isn't done thumbing his nose at his Gothard teachings.Maybe a secret feral love child would do it? 4 Link to comment
cheatincheetos August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I know that Josh is smarter than most people but how was he planning to hook up with a fake FB picture and profile? He gets to the secret love nest and surprise it's me - Josh Duggar! Like what was that about? He might have been using the fake photo profile to interest women in talking to him and gathering intelligence on what she likes and doesn't like, hoping that would give him an edge to compensate for his looks. 2 Link to comment
zenme August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I wonder what, if any, changes Anna will make in response to Josh's infidelities. 1 Link to comment
cheatincheetos August 24, 2015 Share August 24, 2015 I wonder what, if any, changes Anna will make in response to Josh's infidelities. Sadly this bunch doesn't seem big on change unless it involves diapers. 15 Link to comment
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