Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[JoanArc]

 

and Michelle is doing nothing (like she always does).

She had a mental breakdown of laundry. Having all of America realize you're a bad parent, and a liar, and that you're not important anymore? She's probably on IV anti-anxiety meds at this point.

Edited May 27, 2015 by JoanArc

[GEML]

I actually thought the numbers were much lower. I thought they were clocking in about 2M for the weddings and 1.5 for your average show. I could be wrong. Those are still great numbers for TLC, and more importantly, they are consistently good, which means people tune in every week. But I'm just remembering off the top of my head.

And I really don't think the Duggars are sitting there going, "Girls! SHAME!! Look what you've done!" And I don't think they did that at the time. Yes, there is victim blaming, but it's a more personal, subjective thing than I think a lot of people are thinking. Josh would have been brought up before his church to publicly confess his sins. He would have been brought before many people to be called accountable. It wouldn't have been this "you made Josh sin, poor Josh!" Eve may have been blamed for tempting Adam, but God punished Adam too. It's not fun to be a Fundamentalist. Not for women, certainly, but men don't have a great life either. Being told over and over what a miserable sinner you are isn't exactly a lark. And someone is always telling you that.

[Aja]

Having all of America realize you're a bad parent, and a liar, and that you're not important anymore? She's probably on IV anti-anxiety meds at this point.

 

Should be an example to us all of what happens when you put all your eggs in one douchebag.

[murf1013]

Pouting about how mean everybody's being to him.

Ha! Thanks for that. It's the first laugh I've had over this giant mess.

As of right now ... there are only 2 episodes of 19kac listed on my xfinity on demand. And both are about Amy Duggar. Yesterday all of the current season was available with the exception of the final Q&A episode.

I'll be happy if I never see this show again. In any way, shape or form. Any mutation of it benefits JimBoob and MEchelle and that is unacceptable. Just removing josh doesn't cut it.

Oh and also ... whoever mentioned getting ill when seeing smuggar's face on articles or links ... I'm with you 100%.

[NextIteration]

She had a mental breakdown of laundry. Having all of America realize you're a bad parent, and a liar, and that you're not important anymore? She's probably on IV anti-anxiety meds at this point.

 

Ha!  No judging... (side-eyes the lorazepam bottle due to triggering affects).

[Julia]

She had a mental breakdown of laundry. Having all of America realize you're a bad parent, and a liar, and that you're not important anymore? She's probably on IV anti-anxiety meds at this point.

 

or maybe not. It's hard to delude yourself over the state of the laundry.

[Churchhoney]

She had a mental breakdown of laundry. Having all of America realize you're a bad parent, and a liar, and that you're not important anymore? She's probably on IV anti-anxiety meds at this point.

It's that third one that's really getting to her, I expect.  Especially, since the first two are vile slanders manufactured by heathens.

 

She may not even be cheered up by the knowledge that this escalation of the War on the Duggars is clearly a sign of the imminent Apocalypse.

[lilabennet]

Ha! Thanks for that. It's the first laugh I've had over this giant mess.

As of right now ... there are only 2 episodes of 19kac listed on my xfinity on demand. And both are about Amy Duggar. Yesterday all of the current season was available with the exception of the final Q&A episode.

I'll be happy if I never see this show again. In any way, shape or form. Any mutation of it benefits JimBoob and MEchelle and that is unacceptable. Just removing josh doesn't cut it.

Oh and also ... whoever mentioned getting ill when seeing smuggar's face on articles or links ... I'm with you 100%.

I just checked my OnDemand, and 19KaC is not even listed under TLC anymore or anywhere else.  Is that a decision reached by Comcast or by the network?

[humbleopinion]

TLC needs to cut all ties with JimBob, M'chelle, Josh, Anna.

They are totally out, no mention of their names.

 

NO JB and M'celle to darken my screen or producer designation, not one cent kicked back to him.

Ben's parents are also out.

 

 TLC should do the right thing and expunge themselves of all things Duggar.

But if TLC cannot and wants an off shoot show then they negotiate a new deal with Jill/Dill and Jess/Ben.

Dillards and Seewalds NO Duggar name on the show title.

[mbutterfly]

But if you re-read the book with the Duggars in mind, it becomes apparent (to me, anyway) that JB thinks of himself as Frank Gilbreth. I think a lot of his obnoxious corny behavior is his own ignorant take on Gilbreth's more outrageous behavior as portrayed in the book.

Yes, I have thought that as well. For me it was a book for a preteen to enjoy. There have been several things JB has said that sounded like he thought of himself that way. His stocking the grocery store was one. 

[JoanArc]

Wow, Josh's trial was 4 days after Jennifer's birth, which TLC filmed. They had to know about it...

[NextIteration]

I just checked my OnDemand, and 19KaC is not even listed under TLC anymore or anywhere else.  Is that a decision reached by Comcast or by the network?

 

They way it was reported here - meaning disappearing from our OnDemand or whatever brand menus, it seemed like it was Cable decisions and not a Discovery one because it was definitely not all at once, like you'd expect if it were a network decision.

[GEML]

To be honest, I've read everything out there on the Gilbreths, and I really don't think Jim Bob models himself on Frank Gilbreth much. I think he's cornball because it's who he is. I'd actually be impressed if he had read all the way through the book. It has swearing in it after all. (My mother didn't read the swearing, and my sisters and I were so surprised when we read it ourselves that people swore!)

[dillpickles]

Should be an example to us all of what happens when you put all your eggs in one douchebag.

I know i told brian he was on fire with the snark, but you're pretty top notch too.

But back to being on topic, I imagine MEchelle forgot how to use her baby voice these past few days. I bet the littles are confused.

[Wellfleet]

Every time I hear about this culture blaming the female for every instance of male failure, I've wondered one thing. What would Boob and Me-chelle do if Josh had molested his brothers - instead of his sisters? Without any lowly female temptresses in the equation, who gets the blame then? What kind of lame, pat answer would they regurgitate in that situation? I can't even imagine it...

Edited May 27, 2015 by Wellfleet

[Maizie131]

They replaced them with the Roloffss. I wish the little couple replaced them

Sorry to disagree, darknight, but I loved the Roloffs & never missed one of their eps.  They really DID show real-life shit -- you could tell Matt & Amy were headed to divorce, and that IS true-to-life, as opposed to the Duggars.  Okay, the Duggars had miscarriage/premature birth, but you just KNEW those people couldn't possibly live like that (or I'd at least hoped).  Turns out, in retrospect, they apparently DO.  Since this scandal & having watched them a few eps. every season I feel absolutely hornswaggled!    Ha!  I'm from Michigan (and so is Amy Roloff), but I've watched a lot of episodes of Matlock!

[Julia]

Every time I hear about this culture blaming the female for every instance of male failure, I've wondered one thing. Who would Boob and Me-chelle do if Josh had molested his brothers - instead of his sisters? Without any lowly female temptresses in the equation, who gets the blame then? What kind of lame, pat answer would they regurgitate in that situation? I can't even imagine it...

 

Feminists, naturally. If women knew their place men wouldn't get confused.

[CofCinci]

The State Trooper that failed the Victims looks like a deranged character from Game of Thrones.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-breaking-news-disgraced-cop-who-didn-t-report-molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235

[galax-arena]

Who would Boob and Me-chelle do if Josh had molested his brothers - instead of his sisters? Without any lowly female temptresses in the equation, who gets the blame then?

The evil homosexual agenda. 

[Aja]

The State Trooper that failed the Victims looks like a deranged character from Game of Thrones.

http://www.intouchwe...b-s-story-59235

 

WOW. So Jim Bob lied to the state trooper. It just keeps getting crazier. The state trooper has no reason to lie, he said himself that his reputation is mud and he's in prison and did not receive any compensation for his interview.

[auntieminem]

Wow, Josh's trial was 4 days after Jennifer's birth, which TLC filmed. They had to know about it...

 

I doubt there was a trial.  As someone else stated it was most likely a petition to change or end certain stipulations or requirements by CPS.  It may have been filed because he did the requirements CPS put in place and he was no longer a minor.  At least that is what happens my state but I do know CPS rules and laws vary in differing states.  The one good thing if this was a petition  that would mean there had been CPS involvement.  

 

*Edited way too late to correct typos.  

Edited May 28, 2015 by auntieminem

[Mindymoo]

WOW. So Jim Bob lied to the state trooper. It just keeps getting crazier. The state trooper has no reason to lie, he said himself that his reputation is mud and he's in prison and did not receive any compensation for his interview.

The trooper's story for not reporting still doesn't wash for me. He didn't make a big deal because Jim Bob claimed it only happened once? One instance of sexual abuse is enough to tear you apart for a lifetime.

[NextIteration]

 

Hutchens' failure to report the abuse caused the police to halt their 2006 investigation because the statute of limitations ran out.

 

Sketchy, sketchy, sketchy application of law.

[Muffyn]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the show came back in some form.  While the vast majority of the people posting on this forum would rather see it gone, the Duggars have strong support in the fundy community.   It comes down to whether, when things calm down, they can get sponsors and who the main fan base watching the show includes.  There have been a series of big names in the ultra-conservative Christian community that have done the “sin”, do a series of tearful confessions to the public, at the large churches, and on religious TV, then come back to the fold/famewhoredom.  Given that this includes molestation of his sisters, it could be harder for Josh to recover his position being featured on the show, but the rest of that family could potentially make a comeback.  Josh already has a large number of apologists within the fundy community who consider this a youthful mistake, he has repented and changed.  Basically the “he is saved in the lord” belief gives him a pass for his behavior.  In fact, Josh could do quite the evangelical shame and forgiveness circuit. 

 

I have never been a regular watcher of 19K&C.  I read the boards for the snark.  So I can say I’ll never watch the show again, but it doesn’t matter to the network.  This is a hot story right now.  It could calm down and they could bring back the show in some form.  I wouldn’t expect a show in which Smuggar aaaaaaaaaaand Anna provides child rearing advice.  That would, rightly, bring out the pitchforks and torches. 

 

I always think it would be best for children to be kept off of reality TV.  Childhood is strange enough without people telling you how to perform for the cameras.  While we can speculate that having the crew there makes the children safer, we don’t know what happens during all of the times that we (and the crew) do not see. 

 

I miss focusing solely on snark.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Muffyn

[CofCinci]

WOW. So Jim Bob lied to the state trooper. It just keeps getting crazier. The state trooper has no reason to lie, he said himself that his reputation is mud and he's in prison and did not receive any compensation for his interview.

The probably compensated his family or deposited money onto his prison commissary account anonymously.

[SmallTownMom]

I just had a Facebook "friend" rip me a new one because I said this show should be pulled.  Whole, long "Christian" retort on how the Duggars dealt with it properly, yada, yada, yada.

 

Sorry, 14 is old enough to know you don't grope your sisters while they sleep.  And certainly old enough to know that it's wrong to get into a little girl's panites.  These leg-humpers make me sick.  Teenage mistake?  Right, got it.  And I am so glad that we have Boob and the Uterus to tell us all how to live Godly lives and that gays are going to hell, etc.   I am tired of hearing, "Those of you without sin cast the first stone."

 

Hey, Duggars, you bunch of hipocrites.  PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES.  Unless of course you can cover it up and lie about it for years.  And the daughters need to get over it. 

 

I stopped my subscription to People magazine years ago because I was sick of the Kardashians.   That's one subcription I will never renew.  Still waiting for the good news on Campbell's, McDonalds, and Coke.  Glad to see the sponsors who dropped the Duggars is growing.

[msblossom]

I actually thought the numbers were much lower. I thought they were clocking in about 2M for the weddings and 1.5 for your average show. I could be wrong. Those are still great numbers for TLC, and more importantly, they are consistently good, which means people tune in every week. But I'm just remembering off the top of my head.

GEML, the viewership has been consistently more than 2M (from 2.08 - 2.9M) each week for the last 2 seasons and I think as high as 3.17M for Jill's wedding. The shows stats have been consistently posted on here each week by Absolom for as long as I've been posting here.

[Iguessnot]

My greatest fear (okay, one of my big fears) in all of this is that behind closed doors the daughters are being blamed and shamed all over again. Like, "look what your defrauding of innocent Joshie has done to us!" I am not convinced that Smuggar would be willing to throw his parents under the blame bus, but it would not surprise me in the least if he is leaning on Gothard teachings and casting patriarchal venom at his sisters (plus whoever the non-family victim was, not to mention the liberal media). The victims' lives have been turned upside down by this becoming so public, I really do worry what else they are being put through behind closed doors. Because I have little hope that they are receiving proper help.

 

 

Regardless of Gothard's teachings, I really don't see Jim Bob placing that kind of blame on the sisters since they were very young with Josh was diddling them. Jimboob's love for his girls has always been very apparent.  

 

I just checked my OnDemand, and 19KaC is not even listed under TLC anymore or anywhere else.  Is that a decision reached by Comcast or by the network?

Comcast OnDemand can't offer what's been snatched away.

[farmgal4]

Just got back from my monthly trip to Walmart. #justshootme. Anyway, while standing in the checkout line, I was checking out the magazine covers. Not one magazine said anything about the Duggars. Not one. How are they keeping this out of headline news?

[CofCinci]

Just got back from my monthly trip to Walmart. #justshootme. Anyway, while standing in the checkout line, I was checking out the magazine covers. Not one magazine said anything about the Duggars. Not one. How are they keeping this out of headline news?

The story hit mainstream media on Thursday. This week's tabloids were already printed.

[Churchhoney]

Duggar crisis-manager candidate reportedly doesn't take the gig:

 

"'It was a no for us to work with them,' Frederick confirmed exclusively to us.

'The needs we need for us to take someone on as a client were not met,' Frederick continued.

What needs did he specifically refer to?
He informed us that, “I can’t go into specifics, but some examples of what we need from our clients are: a willingness to admit you messed up, being humble about the situation, transparency with us, meeting our retainer fee, willingness to take a proper and just punishment both in the law and or court of public opinion, etc.”

'Due to an inability to garner all we needed from the family- without me providing specific examples- we will not be working with them,' Frederick wrapped with telling us."

 

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/exclusive-duggar-family-crisis-manager-not-hired/

[JennyMominFL]

It looks like the next cover of People magazine will not be friendly. I think they will be on plenty of tabloids in the next few days. 

[Sew Sumi]

I think the weekly magazines hit the stands tomorrow. We already know the Duggars got the People cover. 

[Kiss my mutt]

Maybe UPtv will give them a shot.

[CofCinci]

Duggar crisis-manager candidate reportedly doesn't take the gig:

"'It was a no for us to work with them,' Frederick confirmed exclusively to us.

'The needs we need for us to take someone on as a client were not met,' Frederick continued.

What needs did he specifically refer to?

He informed us that, “I can’t go into specifics, but some examples of what we need from our clients are: a willingness to admit you messed up, being humble about the situation, transparency with us, meeting our retainer fee, willingness to take a proper and just punishment both in the law and or court of public opinion, etc.”

'Due to an inability to garner all we needed from the family- without me providing specific examples- we will not be working with them,' Frederick wrapped with telling us."

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/exclusive-duggar-family-crisis-manager-not-hired/

Sounds like Jim Bob didn't want to take their advice and wants to do things his way. Classic Jim Bob. Such an arrogant fool to think he knows better than a team of crisis PR professionals.

[Wellfleet]

Sorry to disagree, darknight, but I loved the Roloffs & never missed one of their eps.  They really DID show real-life shit -- you could tell Matt & Amy were headed to divorce, and that IS true-to-life, as opposed to the Duggars.  Okay, the Duggars had miscarriage/premature birth, but you just KNEW those people couldn't possibly live like that (or I'd at least hoped).  Turns out, in retrospect, they apparently DO.  Since this scandal & having watched them a few eps. every season I feel absolutely hornswaggled!    Ha!  I'm from Michigan (and so is Amy Roloff), but I've watched a lot of episodes of Matlock!

 

I wasn't a massive fan of the LPBW but must absolutely agree - it was reality. And I have to say - I never picked up on undercurrents or weirdness as I did within a few months with the Duggars. Everything with the Roloffs was, well - out there!

[Churchhoney]

Sounds like Jim Bob didn't want to take their advice and wants to do things his way. Classic Jim Bob. Such an arrogant fool to think he knows better than a team of crisis PR professionals.

His true colors do seem to be running strong here, don't they?

 

I don't think it bodes well for crisis managers to decline to take your business.

[NextIteration]

Duggar crisis-manager candidate reportedly doesn't take the gig:

 

If it's true, that took all of two days.  Wow.

[MrsMommy]

This is what I read today

http://www.people.com/article/19-kids-counting-spin-off-tlc-jessa-seewald-jill-dillard-duggar-family

[NextIteration]

This is what I read today

http://www.people.com/article/19-kids-counting-spin-off-tlc-jessa-seewald-jill-dillard-duggar-family

 

That's a very late pick-up of what was reported in Variety this morning.  These folks aren't very sharp are they?

[Magoo]

I doubt there is a trial.  As someone else stated it was most likely a petition to change or end certain stipulations or requirements by CPS.  It may have been filed because he did the requirements CPS put in place and he was no longer a minor.  At least that is what happens my state but I do know CPS rules and laws vary in differing states.  The one good thing if this was a petition is that would men their had been CPS involvement.

 

 

If CPS were involved, maybe that's the reason blanket training seemed to go out the window around this time.  I always thought they just kind of gave up on it once the oldest girls took over parenting, but this makes sense, too. 

[GEML]

On the flip side, if one and or both girls were victimized by Josh once, why should they lose income just because it's become public knowledge without their consent?

[andromeda331]

I am tired of hearing, "Those of you without sin cast the first stone."

 

So am I. But I'm finding telling them to remember whose comments for their final Judgment and asking if they'll be saying all of that to their Lord. They don't seem to comment after that.

[Mindymoo]

If it's the same trooper that I'm thinking about, he's in jail for kiddy porn.

Indeed it is. He was interviewed from his prison cell, and that was his excuse.

[NextIteration]

If CPS were involved, maybe that's the reason blanket training seemed to go out the window around this time.  I always thought they just kind of gave up on it once the oldest girls took over parenting, but this makes sense, too. 

 

When was blanket training shown?  CPS was involved it would seem before the show was made a series if my calendar reads correctly.

[Churchhoney]

If it's true, that took all of two days.  Wow.

One more person DimBulb has spent the last few days cussing out.

[JoanArc]

Jim Bob is truly arrogant. He'd still the 17 year old chuchboy that landed a hot cheerleader, but would shit his pants if he had to actually live his values.

 

RE: Spin off. Meh. I don't see it working, except for the obvious trainwreck/curious viewers. Why?

* First babies are interesting. Second babies, only a little. Jill's had one, Jessa's will get ratings, but they only have 'till November.

*They likely can't film Derrick's job. Jill likely won't work as a midwife. Ben's work is too closely associated with Jim Bob, and Jessa isn't the top homemaker.

*Everything in Jill and Jessa life revolves around their big family. Take that away and they're just less interesting.

*Yes, they will keep popping babies out. Once the public realizes that, it's less interesting.

*Jill and Derrick might go on a mission, which would hamper filming. Derrick might man up and want out of the circus.

 

EDIT: The girls do deserve a chance at their own income. But I think finding major sponsors would be tough.

EDIT 2: Amy's show's already filmed too, I think.

Edited May 27, 2015 by JoanArc

[Marigny]

Well, the Duggars continue to draw us in.  People are posting like mad, all over the internet...... once TLC officially says bye-bye, some network is sure to want 'in' on the Duggars.  

I'm thinking that the E! Channel might eventually make them an offer they can't refuse, but then, the Kardashians  pretty much own E! and they would not allow it (I am not knocking the K's- I don't watch them, but at least 'they are who they are').

*Hallmark Channel?  Nah, the network is too wholesome.  

*UP?  Nah, the Bateses are already their mega family.

*TruTv?  Nah, the Duggars don't tell the truth.

*A & E (Arts & Entertainment)?  Nah, this network wouldn't want to hurt its reputation.

 

Just maybe......The BRAVO network????  Does anyone think there's a tv network out there that would film Josh after all of this?

Curious to know your thoughts.  Thanks. 

 

If this were the case, someone would have picked up Honey Boo Boo by now and Mama June wouldn't be stuck stripping for her supper. That show was a cash cow and drew people in, too.

 

http://www.people.com/article/michael-seewald-josh-duggar-reaction

 

Hey, Jessa. How do you feel that you FIL is supporting your brother that possibly molested you?

 

This is nothing but Mike taking advantage of an opportunity to get his name out there. Isn't that the whole reason that he drove hours on end to attach himself to this family? I think that he also realizes that without this show, his son doesn't have a pot to piss in, a window to throw it out of, nor the money to buy some paper towels. 

 

There are about twenty different religion channels DISHTV insists on including in my basic channel package...all of them Christian, most of them evangelical. I can see the PTL (Praise The Lord) channel eating this up and putting the whole family out there in sequins and big hair while weeping and begging for love offerings.

Jim and Tammy Faye times 21.

 

Problem is, none of those networks have the budge to support the Duggar machine. We already know that JB is about the Benjies.

[Magoo]

When was blanket training shown?  CPS was involved it would seem before the show was made a series if my calendar reads correctly.

 

You're right, but based on the behavior of the younger kids vs. the older kids it seems like a stop was put to it at some point.  But that's pure speculation on my part and admittedly, my head is spinning with all of the info and timelines.  I'll retract as I know the mods are exhausted and speculation is frowned upon.

[KittyS]

I wouldn't mind if the married girls were able to get some kind of show. It would be great if they had something all their own, without Jim Bob's financial control. Preferably it would include Jana, Jinger, and Joy in some capacity. And also Josiah and Marjorie. I never want to see Josh, Anna, Jim Bob, or Michelle on my TV again.