S08.E11: Invitation Interrupted

[Petunia13]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

Yeah, it kinda was. Such a dismissive,  fake-nice boss move ("You bleeding? You, the one who called me a slut? Let me spend less than sixteen seconds on your unpleasant, far-too-specific uterine revelations before I SWING into a song of me. Like Tommy Tune himself, I SING THE SONG OF LUANN! -- btw, you wouldn't know about having a good relationship with your ex -- and how I WISH YOU HAD THAT, LIKE ME --  moi, getting married in the morning, despite Ramona's crazy eyes --  ME IN MY WHITE SEVENTIES PIMP SUIT, IT'S ALL HANDLED ON MY END, BLEEDER -- gotta go,  I'll pick up the check next time" -- well, fuck: what to do with that performance? --  me, I  have to tip my hat because that was old school "The Women" meets "Lace" card skills.) The Countess has always been too fleshy and vulgar to pull off that lame Grace Kelly act she was selling, so when she plays to her strengths  -  good face, broad shoulders, gutteral laugh, dirty aura, the feel of a woman who'd do anything in the right circumstances, a latter day courtesan who only wears shame because other people tell her she's low rent? That woman shutting down St Bethenny of the Pee Bucket is MY KIND OF FAB. As I've said elsewhere (on other housewife forums, about other damn housewives) I'm a spinning top,  these shows spin me like three card monte on a New York side street ( "Okay I pick that one under that shell --no, this one -- no that one....wait -- now I like THIS ONE? WTF? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?") but even with that golf handicap, that was such a well executed heist for Luann, I must declare my allegiance for this brief moment. Anybody who can leave Bethenny speechless and without the best line of the night "(Is she your life partner now?" - HA!)  deserves a sincere and well considered golf clap.

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[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

From Bethennys blog. No mention of the TMI issue. And this :

"The ratings are flying, the drama is real, and I give zero f---s if people love or hate me. This is a reality show and in dealing with this particular group of women, THIS is my reality."

This bugs. I want to see a reality show, the wives lives---divorces, work, everyday stuff---not Bethennys reality in "dealing" with this group of women. This is why the RH franchise is sucking. It's manufactured drama of them dealing with each other. Yes they have to interact but how they interact for ratings is not the show I want to watch. 

I love Bethenny's logic. She doesn't mind if people call her out for being a horrible human being that she projects herself to be. Just don't talk about her business - because her entrepreneurial success is her identity. That stuff they call 'character', 'principle', 'kindness', 'humility', etc...yeah all that shit is overrated in her world...unless it can be used to humiliate and shame others. Her life can't be that hard if she is only principled by convenience.

[Neurochick]

16 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I wonder if the nanny/housekeeper quit due to the tension in that home.  I saw this today....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3645222/PICTURED-Police-arrive-Jules-Wainstein-s-apartment-statement-threatening-behaviour-amid-split-cheating-husband.html

I just checked this out.  As usual the Daily Fail Mail, kind of over does shit.  I didn't see police "swarm" the apartment, they were just standing outside, not like they were in SWAT gear or something. 

It HAD to have been more than just him saying he's going to ruin her life.  I didn't know I can call the NYPD if someone says that to me.

Why was he getting into a car with their son?  Wouldn't Jules want him away from their children?  The guy is super shady, but for some reason, I don't think he's changed much since she married him.  I got the feeling he sort of fetishized Jules, like "OMG, my wife is SO exotic" or some shit like that, that's why he creeped me out.  And he was cheating with her "friend?"  OMG, is that ever fucking shady.  Jules is head and shoulders above him, in ever way.  She can do a lot better. 

And now this.

BTW, I know where that building is.  When I was in high school, we were in some play and one of the kids lived there so we had a rehearsal in his apartment.  It's a beautiful Upper West Side building with high ceilings and large rooms, kind of like the shit you see in Woody Allen movies.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Neurochick

[RHJunkie]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

Yeah, it kinda was. Such a dismissive,  fake-nice boss move ("You bleeding? You, the one who called me a slut? Let me spend less than sixteen seconds on your unpleasant, far-too-specific uterine revelations before I SWING into a song of me. Like Tommy Tune himself, I SING THE SONG OF LUANN! -- btw, you wouldn't know about having a good relationship with your ex -- and how I WISH YOU HAD THAT, LIKE ME --  moi, getting married in the morning, despite Ramona's crazy eyes --  ME IN MY WHITE SEVENTIES PIMP SUIT, IT'S ALL HANDLED ON MY END, BLEEDER -- gotta go,  I'll pick up the check next time" -- well, fuck: what to do with that performance? --  me, I  have to tip my hat because that was old school "The Women" meets "Lace" card skills.) The Countess has always been too fleshy and vulgar to pull off that lame Grace Kelly act she was selling, so when she plays to her strengths  -  good face, broad shoulders, gutteral laugh, dirty aura, the feel of a woman who'd do anything in the right circumstances, a latter day courtesan who only wears shame because other people tell her she's low rent? That woman shutting down St Bethenny of the Pee Bucket is MY KIND OF FAB. As I've said elsewhere (on other housewife forums, about other damn housewives) I'm a spinning top,  these shows spin me like three card monte on a New York side street ( "Okay I pick that one under that shell --no, this one -- no that one....wait -- now I like THIS ONE? WTF? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?") but even with that golf handicap, that was such a well executed heist for Luann, I must declare my allegiance for this brief moment. Anybody who can leave Bethenny speechless and without the best line of the night "(Is she your life partner now?" - HA!)  deserves a sincere and well considered golf clap.

So much awesomeness in this post! lol. This is preciously why I think Luann is coming above the fray. After everything has been said to her face and behind her back, Luann hasn't once made herself the victim of bullying. She simply put on her big girl shoes and is handling business. I think that if Bethenny wants to truly bury the hatchet with Luann then Luann will hold back but she can tell that Bethenny is being tolerable so she's giving back that fire with some of her own. But she's not going to look like a crazy banshee ala Bethenny. Nope, she's going to handle you with the sandwich approach - fit in your insults between compliments and/or common pleasantries. Once the shade has been thrown, get up and walk away. Bethenny may want to take credit for the ratings but Luann is a huge part of that reason because she's been a willing combatant face to face and then she's enjoying her life when she doesn't have Bethenny and Carole around to pout in her presence. For the most part, Luann will come out smelling like roses this season and not because she's some innocent because by contrast, it's not hard to look good when you have the attitudes of Bethenny and Carole to contend with.

[Duke2801]

16 hours ago, AuntiePam said:

A couple of things stood out in Carole and Adam's scene -- Carole wrote the cookbook intro as [paraphrasing] "vegan falls in love with girl who loves junk food" -- not "vegan and girl who loves junk food fall in love."  He falls in love with her.  And then her comments about being able to "glide" out of relationships, unwilling to go in deeply.  Sexual connotations aside, she comes off as really insecure.  I think we've all known people like that -- they'll bow out of a relationship at the first sign that the other party is losing interest.  Start pushing them away before they even show signs of wanting to leave.  She wasn't paying any attention to him when he was talking -- she interrupted, starting writing on her laptop. 

I couldn't get over Lu inviting herself to Mexico when Beth obviously didn't want her, and her victory tour, telling Sonja, Ramona and Bethenny about Tom.  If she'd been friends with Carole or Jules, she would have gone to see them too. 

Jules at the dinner with Dorinda and John -- bitching about her husband when he's sitting right there.  Is it because she's afraid to confront him when they're alone? 

How small IS the dating pool in NYC? 

Just my $.02 but I disagree that people who "glide in and out of relationship" do it out of insecurity.  I think women who STAY in relationships -- despite being treated poorly or are unhappy for other reasons -- are the insecure ones.  Somebody like Carole is more a commitment-phobe than insecure. Her ex (Russ?) made statements to the media after their breakup that he wanted to marry Carole. So I think when things got too serious for her, she bailed.  If she was really insecure and just didn't want to be single, she'd have married Russ (or... whatever his name is).

16 hours ago, nexxie said:

Instead of considering her new guy sloppy seconds (or thirds), Luann seemed to be thinking "I WON! He wants ME instead of them!" 

Sort of sad.

Yup. I definitely got the sense that she was gloating to some degree.

15 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I noticed that, too.  But what she actually wrote was, "A vegan and the reluctant vegan he fell for.  How a plant-based chef stole the heart of a junk food eating girl".  So she's saying she loves him as well.  And her revelation about the kitten, was less insecurity, and more commitment phobia, IMO.  She leaves the guys before she becomes too attached.  That's fear of being hurt again, in my opinion.

As to the use of "girl", every single one of them does it.  I'm pretty sure Lu and Sonja used it a couple of times last night.  And to be perfectly honest, I use it too.  It's pure laziness to use a single syllable word.  Even on So You Think You Can Dance, for years they've broken the sexes up as "guys", and "girls".  And every previous season had only adult participants.  Personally, it doesn't bother me in the way "boy" may bother a grown man.  I don't take the word "girl" as emasculating, or whatever the feminine equivalent would be, and I don't find it condescending.  But I understand women who don't like it.

Like you said, I never thought anything of it, because ALL the HWs use that term - across every franchise.  And, like you, I use it with my friends, too.  Not all friends--but the ones that I've know since childhood/teen/college years.

 

13 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I am very surprised to learn that way over here in a suburb of Detroit, I knew about Ramona dating Tom while Lu did not. I am surprised that several of us discussed it here last September, just 6 weeks or so before they began filming. Just about 8 weeks before Thanksgiving. And yet still Lu didn't know about it.  I wouldn't think that I would know something about Ramona that Lu doesn't know. What with their circle being so small and all. Honestly, is there anyone that believes Lu when she says she had no idea that Ramona and Tom had dated? Just the fact that she would lie about something like this is strange to me. And Dorinda didn't know either? She is good friends with both Ramona and Tom, but didn't know there was press about them going out. This whole deal doesn't smell right to me. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3240662/Ramona-Singer-dating-New-York-business-Mogul-Thomas-D-Agostino-Jr-catching-estranged-husband-cheating.html

 

13 hours ago, Umbelina said:

If Luann's mouth is moving?  She's probably lying, or at the very least, exaggerating.  Honesty is not her thing.

Agree with both of these statements. NO damn way that Lu "didn't know" about Ramona and Tom dating. Even if you don't like Carole (and are tired of her fight with Lu - which I am too), you should read her blog from last week.  It's a really good character description of Lu and why some of them have such a hard time trusting her.  She has a long history of talking out of both sides of her mouth (or just outright lying).  It's pretty interesting.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-the-berkshire

[Yours Truly]

14 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Different strokes.  I don't like sleeping with my friend's left overs, unless I've made sure they have no problem with that, and more importantly, that their relationships are really over.

Men are easy to find, especially for sex.  Friends of many years are much more valuable to me.  Obviously, your mileage varies zoeysmom. 

People seem to be forgetting that these women are NOT ride or die friends like that. I don't even think that they even consider their friendships close enough to warrant such an in depth vetting process over men. There are a couple of closer acquaintances than others on this show like Lu and Sonja get a long fine. Ramona and ..... whatever.... Beth and Carole but N/A right about now. Dorinda and Ramona which seems to be rocky and on the way down if they continue doing the show but regardless of the semi believable "friendships" on this show Ramona and Lu are not and have never been besties so this debate about Toms possible handful of dates with Ramona which I seriously side eye is completely foreign to me.

First off, I believe that whole idea is mainly when there's a serious relationship involved and my friend is actually my friend. The only way that a woman who went on a couple of dates and "tested" (past tense) the waters with someone I'm interested in dating would matter to me would be if that person was a serious friend of mine that I am close to. Not some co-worker, frenemy, or fair weather friend. Sorry. It's downright ridiculous to apply this whole friendship rule about dating the same dude to these women who know each other work together and barely tolerate each other while the cameras are rolling. Off season, I'm sure they are friendly and go through social motions and send card and gift baskets if someone is sick but I DO NOT see Lu and Ramona having sleep overs doing each others nails and being each others rock.

Unless we are suggesting any man that has ever went on a date with any woman you've interacted with more than a handful of times for this reason or that is off limits then.... Yeah, no..

Not to mention that I am totally not convinced that Ramona isn't amping up the details surrounding all of this just to do what she usually does and thats be a bitch just cause.

As for Sonja, she's no innocent also. Sonja doesn't like being shown up when it comes to her thing which is being the desirable over 50 siren she's wrapped her whole being in. So I'm not so quick to believe her account of what her relationship with Tom entailed or the timing. Remember how she tried to convince everyone and herself that her and Harry were going to move forward as an official couple??? That's was seriously delusional.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

Agree with both of these statements. NO damn way that Lu "didn't know" about Ramona and Tom dating. Even if you don't like Carole (and are tired of her fight with Lu - which I am too), you should read her blog from last week.  It's a really good character description of Lu and why some of them have such a hard time trusting her.  She has a long history of talking out of both sides of her mouth (or just outright lying).  It's pretty interesting.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-the-berkshire

Carole should probably save some of that insight to use in analysis of her own behaviour. I can give another perspective to many of which she said in that blog which only leaves me with the impression that Carole is one audacious and self-righteous person.

What much younger men has Luann dated? This consistent accusation has yet to be addressed with any real evidence. When Luann initially spoke with Carole about Adam, she said that it was fine to bang him but criticized her for "dating' a man much younger than her. Luann defended her position saying that she couldn't date a man in the same age range as her children. So what Carole and Bethenny are accusing Luann of doing seems to be an accusation that fits their narrative and the definitions they've applied. Let me ask - what much younger man has Luann invited into her life and dated? Is going on a date and maybe have an occasional bed buddy that the rest of the world will never be introduced to considered 'dating'? Maybe to the most insecure woman would she consider occasional, hidden interactions to constitute dating or a relationship of any kind. Let me be very clear - I still think Luann was totally out of line with the criticisms she offered Carole but that doesn't mean that Carole can take her bias perspective and project it as the reality that cannot be denied.

Teaching Sonja to drink in moderation - Luann has hardly been called out for running around town acting like a lush. Drinking in moderation is drinking what you're able to handle. Ramona has already said that Luann handles her alcohol well so does it matter how much Luann drinks? If Luann isn't making a fool of herself and can stand on her own two feet why can she not tell someone else 'hey, know your limits and stay within it"? Why is it so funny that Luann tell Sonja to be selective with her men? Sonja is constantly seeking a relationship with men who only want her as a bed buddy. Luann has spent the majority of her life in long-term/committed relationships. She dates a lot when she's single but that dating has lead to her committed relationships. Not everyone can go to their friends house and hit on the chef that's preparing their lunch.

When she addressed Ramona she was making a pretty simple point - 'why are you beating up on me using Ramona as an example when Ramona has exhibited the same behaviour?'. Why was Bethenny speaking on Ramona's behalf on an issue that Ramona shouldn't have taken offense to given that she has also been caught flirting and trying to navigate male attention all to herself? Why is Luann obligated to defend herself to Bethenny rather than point out a good reason why Bethenny should get her facts straight and keep her trap shut?

I don't recall the pirate guy being married but why should Carole be addressing this matter of two random strangers that may or may not have been one night stands or heavy PDA partners for Luann while on vacation? Yes, they both may have been married. But possibly, were they married the same way her best friend Bethenny is married? Or is it the same way Bethenny's awesome new man is married? Neither Carole or Bethenny know any of the details of either man's marriage to know the context. They've clearly demonstrated that there is context where dating while married is understandable and not 'whorish' but given that neither knew of the men's relationship status, why automatically assume Luann to be the slut and whore who sleeps with married men? Another reason why they should keep their traps shut.

Of course she defends Bethenny. Self-awareness is not an admirable quality if you don't use that self-awareness to better yourself. Bethenny hasn't. She does the same shit and then apologizes or acknowledges her behaviour. You don't let a criminal go without justice just because they know that they were wrong. Get out of here with this bullshit Carole.

Edit: And one more thing - Luann was upset with you Carole. For reasons that were none of her business but she saw your actions as a slight toward her and/or her family. So she said something hurtful by calling you a pedophile. You were upset with Luann and made comments about Luann's lifestyle and co-signed the Slut and Whore commentary by Bethenny. Just because the exact words didn't come out of your mouth doesn't mean you aren't guilty of putting those labels onto Luann. Do you see the difference in how either of you dealt with your issue with each other? Yeah, neither do I.

As for Luann - she never denied that she didn't know about Sonja and Ramona by the time she was talking to the girls about it. She denied knowing about Ramona at the time she first dated Tom. And if Ramona and Sonja were ever really a thing with Tom, why in the hell was Dorinda advocating for Tom and Luann to hook up? Just because you go on a date with someone doesn't mean you own them and you don't owe explanations or seek approvals from fair weather friends about who you can and cannot date. Did Ramona ask Sonja permission who apparently has been with him for so long? Did Bethenny ask permission of her high school friend when she started dating the girl's husband? Did Carole ask permission of Nicole to date Adam when she's met the girl several times and has even got to a few red carpet events in support of Nicole's work?

Edited June 17, 2016 by RHJunkie

[Duke2801]

13 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Carole should probably save some of that insight to use in analysis of her own behaviour. I can give another perspective to many of which she said in that blog which only leaves me with the impression that Carole is one audacious and self-righteous person.

What much younger men has Luann dated? This consistent accusation has yet to be addressed with any real evidence. When Luann initially spoke with Carole about Adam, she said that it was fine to bang him but criticized her for "dating' a man much younger than her. Luann defended her position saying that she couldn't date a man in the same age range as her children. So what Carole and Bethenny are accusing Luann of doing seems to be an accusation that fits their narrative and the definitions they've applied. Let me ask - what much younger man has Luann invited into her life and dated? Is going on a date and maybe have an occasional bed buddy that the rest of the world will never be introduced to considered 'dating'? Maybe to the most insecure woman would she consider occasional, hidden interactions to constitute dating or a relationship of any kind. Let me be very clear - I still think Luann was totally out of line with the criticisms she offered Carole but that doesn't mean that Carole can take her bias perspective and project it as the reality that cannot be denied.

Teaching Sonja to drink in moderation - Luann has hardly been called out for running around town acting like a lush. Drinking in moderation is drinking what you're able to handle. Ramona has already said that Luann handles her alcohol well so does it matter how much Luann drinks? If Luann isn't making a fool of herself and can stand on her own two feet why can she not tell someone else 'hey, know your limits and stay within it"? Why is it so funny that Luann tell Sonja to be selective with her men? Sonja is constantly seeking a relationship with men who only want her as a bed buddy. Luann has spent the majority of her life in long-term/committed relationships. She dates a lot when she's single but that dating has lead to her committed relationships. Not everyone can go to their friends house and hit on the chef that's preparing their lunch.

When she addressed Ramona she was making a pretty simple point - 'why are you beating up on me using Ramona as an example when Ramona has exhibited the same behaviour?'. Why was Bethenny speaking on Ramona's behalf on an issue that Ramona shouldn't have taken offense to given that she has also been caught flirting and trying to navigate male attention all to herself? Why is Luann obligated to defend herself to Bethenny rather than point out a good reason why Bethenny should get her facts straight and keep her trap shut?

I don't recall the pirate guy being married but why should Carole be addressing this matter of two random strangers that may or may not have been one night stands or heavy PDA partners for Luann while on vacation? Yes, they both may have been married. But possibly, were they married the same way her best friend Bethenny is married? Or is it the same way Bethenny's awesome new man is married? Neither Carole or Bethenny know any of the details of either man's marriage to know the context. They've clearly demonstrated that there is context where dating while married is understandable and not 'whorish' but given that neither knew of the men's relationship status, why automatically assume Luann to be the slut and whore who sleeps with married men? Another reason why they should keep their traps shut.

Of course she defends Bethenny. Self-awareness is not an admirable quality if you don't use that self-awareness to better yourself. Bethenny hasn't. She does the same shit and then apologizes or acknowledges her behaviour. You don't let a criminal go without justice just because they know that they were wrong. Get out of here with this bullshit Carole.

Edit: And one more thing - Luann was upset with you Carole. For reasons that were none of her business but she saw your actions as a slight toward her and/or her family. So she said something hurtful by calling you a pedophile. You were upset with Luann and made comments about Luann's lifestyle and co-signed the Slut and Whore commentary by Bethenny. Just because the exact words didn't come out of your mouth doesn't mean you aren't guilty of putting those labels onto Luann. Do you see the difference in how either of you dealt with your issue with each other? Yeah, neither do I.

Errr perhaps I should clarify.  Her blog might be interesting to those who don't vehemently hate Carol and are looking to find fault with her every statement.  Will ament my pervious post.

[tumamita]

 When did Bethenney and Carole become BFF?

Luann is delusional. She's clearly having a midlife crisis. Did she get married young, have children right away and miss out on the party life so now that she's making up for it? Didn't she have a young son in earlier seasons, what happened to him? 

The dinner with Jules & her hubby was so awkward. Watching her complain about him right in front of him, geesh. He sounds like a nightmare and even though infidelity is extremely painful, sometimes women need that to really leave an asshole and not look back. I agree with Dorinda saying sometimes women do 80/20 or 70/30 - I definitely do 70/30 in my marriage with my children and keeping up the house & such but their relationship looks like 99/1 - the 1% being his pay check.

[TV Diva Queen]

4 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

"In Philadelphia, it's worth fiiiifty. bucks." Hahaha 

you made my day!!  I just went and watched that scene on youtube.  xoxoxo

[mwell345]

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People seem to be forgetting that these women are NOT ride or die friends like that. I don't even think that they even consider their friendships close enough to warrant such an in depth vetting process over men. There are a couple of closer acquaintances than others on this show like Lu and Sonja get a long fine. Ramona and ..... whatever.... Beth and Carole but N/A right about now. Dorinda and Ramona which seems to be rocky and on the way down if they continue doing the show but regardless of the semi believable "friendships" on this show Ramona and Lu are not and have never been besties so this debate about Toms possible handful of dates with Ramona which I seriously side eye is completely foreign to me.

This, I think, is one of the biggest problem with all of the HW franchises in general - forced interaction between women who normally would not interact with each other in "real life".  If two or three people are genuine friends, fine for Bravo to focus on it. Other than that, maybe make them go to one or two dinners per season (I guess it's up to Bethenny who gets to go, though : ) ) and the rest of the time, just let us watch them live their lives.  They're interesting women on their own. Anyone remember season 1?  It was sort of like that - I remember LuAnn doing charity work, etc, Jill Zarin in her fabric store, Bethenny pushing cupcakes and trying to get her business started, Alex trying to get her son in private school, and remodeling her home.

It's the forced "entire group" interaction along with the contrived drama and the contests to see who can screech the loudest that is ruining the HW franchises.   It's ruined NJ, currently ruining NY, ALT, and is coming very close to ruining BH.  Forget OC, it's been a mess for seasons.

Just my 2 cents.

Edited June 17, 2016 by mwell345

[Yours Truly]

10 hours ago, ryebread said:

What about their mental maladies (minor and major)? Should everyone stop making fun of the HWs with those?  I mean after all, it seems like it's easier to fix buck teeth or a two-head than erase the mental trauma of, say, having your leg mangled by farm equipment.  Why is it perfectly acceptable to dog someone who may have loads of phobias due to something they suffered as a child - but to make fun of someone's turkey neck is all kinds of wrong? 

Beth can torment a co-worker who has finally lost her marbles but make fun of Beth's jawline and I'm a bad person?  Call someone who is ill in the head a lying bitch and your post will get a hundred thumbs up. But make fun of Holla's honker and suddenly you're a pariah.

Bottom line is, not much of what we say about the HWs is nice. It's just not.  About their looks, their personalities, their life skills, their relationships.  Why are their looks so off limits? 

Here, Here!!!

Plus I like to defend my HW's with my witty banter and wholesome insight (bwaaahhhhh, haa haaa haa). No need to draw lines in the sand and imply what's off limits in a world designed to snark.

However if any lines were drawn I would expect those lines to revolve around the examples you provided regarding illness, phobias, traumas....

But noone is going to keep me from laying it on thick about Bucky McBuckerson and her buck gums. Sorry, not sorry... 

[RHJunkie]

37 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Errr perhaps I should clarify.  Her blog might be interesting to those who don't vehemently hate Carol and are looking to find fault with her every statement.  Will ament my pervious post.

So when Carole does a play-by-play blog that breaks down the inconsistencies of Luann, you think it's interesting. When I do a play-by-play review of the inconsistencies within Carole's blog, I get the honour of you attaching the word 'hate' to my name in response. How kind of you. Was that all to your response? You did nothing to refute the inconsistencies I pointed out...only quickly jumped to attaching a label to me that indirectly insinuates that my response is laced with heavy bias. I don't like any of the women. Not a single one of the women this season have not already been called out by me so you can take your accusation elsewhere, thank you very much.

Edited June 17, 2016 by RHJunkie

[ButterQueen]

I have never seen the fourth wall so close to crumbling as I did in this episode.  The ladies begging Sonja to make up with Bethenny for the sake "of the girls" was the huge theme.  I generally like Beth, but watching her be so mean to Sonja by cutting her out of things, makes me so angry.  Unlike Beth, Sonja needs the money and I don't think Sonja has done anything to deserve this treatment.  She must be feeling very isolated.  I just don't like people ganging up on one person.  I would rather they go to Mexico and leave Beth and Carole behind.  Ramona has been an outright bitch to Sonja, for no reason, and I hope Sonja airs all of Ramona's dirty laundry.  Dorinda is being a fake bitch as well.

[Yours Truly]

10 hours ago, Marie80 said:

Carole used to be my favorite but this season she's just awful and it's her personality that makes her look unattractive to me. Yes, it's probably immature to pick on someone's looks but after Carole made that "Lu-man" comment it's obvious she's not above making low blows herself.

 

You know all this shit Carole likes to talk about LuMann (due to her voice only) cause other than that Lu is quite obviously a stunning woman but why hasn't anyone ever commented on the fact that Carole has a bit of a fucking froggy voice herself? It's actually a bit grating cause it sounds like she needs to clear her throat. It's kinda guttural and it was out full force when she was reading to him about the reluctant vegan... yada yada yada. Also when she was talking to Beth. Has it been said before and I missed it cause she's had that frog in her throat for awhile.

PS. I actually like Lu's voice. I think it's a sexy rasp that adds to her already enhanced sex appeal. Sorry, I do.

[RHJunkie]

32 minutes ago, tumamita said:

 When did Bethenney and Carole become BFF?

Luann is delusional. She's clearly having a midlife crisis. Did she get married young, have children right away and miss out on the party life so now that she's making up for it? Didn't she have a young son in earlier seasons, what happened to him? 

The dinner with Jules & her hubby was so awkward. Watching her complain about him right in front of him, geesh. He sounds like a nightmare and even though infidelity is extremely painful, sometimes women need that to really leave an asshole and not look back. I agree with Dorinda saying sometimes women do 80/20 or 70/30 - I definitely do 70/30 in my marriage with my children and keeping up the house & such but their relationship looks like 99/1 - the 1% being his pay check.

Are the mics really that good that a really hushed conversation can be picked up so clearly on camera? How did Michael not hear what was being said? And if he did, he did a good job of keeping his attention elsewhere and showing no signs that he was privy to what was being said about him. The same thing happened when Bethenny was discussing Jules' body with someone else at the table and Jules was sitting right next to her but not once did we see Jules show any acknowledgment of the conversation.

[ElDosEquis]

The housewife of NY were to go

On a fun filled trip to Mexico

But then that carol

Decided to go feral

If luann makes the trip, she won't go.

 

Beffy Frankel tells us she's ill,

No IUD, now the pill?

She does feel the need

to tell us she bleeds

And she ends up with a bar bill?

[raiderred1]

On 6/15/2016 at 9:05 PM, Bronzedog said:

Jesus.  Luanne must have taken whatever Thomas of Southern Charm was on Monday night.

That was so bizarre! When you feel sorry for Bethenney(whom I can't stand) you know something is really off with Luanne. Wow, just wow!

[tenativelyyours]

As someone who has, does and will continue to mention looks, mostly in a mocking derisive way, I not only do not apologize but wonder how people who find that immature can watch these shows that have the cast members doing exactly that.  I will continue to find and mention that I think that Carole more and more is looking like a farmer's goat that got caught up in the drying laundry hung out on the line and just within nibbling reach.  I will continue to laugh and mock her antics as she tries to be forever young even as she apparently goes and gets botox where they apply it with a large porcupine.  I won't even go into Frankel-Skinny's monster and the road crew that went in on her jaw recently.

 

I am curious though if someone could direct me to the moralizing on posts that laud Luann's looks for her age.  Or Frankel's hair.  Or Ramona's body?  I want to see where posters are  called out for commenting positively on looks since that is just as vapid shallow objectifying and being women perhaps rooted in misogynistic tones applying women in a category of being redeemed from whatever for their looks and appearance.  Anyone?  Anyone who has stated how immature it is to say any of these women looked good at one event or another?  I'm curious why looks are so off limits but only if people find these women wanting in that area?  An area they themselves all too often go after each other about not to mention clearly want judged positively by the efforts and even admissions and don't even mention the glaring evidence of vanity in that regard.

 

Now I don't plan on turning the picture off when I watch and I don't plan on censoring myself to simply adhere to another person's subjective morals in terms of posting that aren't the rules and aren't common courtesy.  I wonder though how many will decide that appearances are so off limits they take their stand to the next logical step.

[RHJunkie]

3 minutes ago, tenativelyyours said:

As someone who has, does and will continue to mention looks, mostly in a mocking derisive way, I not only do not apologize but wonder how people who find that immature can watch these shows that have the cast members doing exactly that.  I will continue to find and mention that I think that Carole more and more is looking like a farmer's goat that got caught up in the drying laundry hung out on the line and just within nibbling reach.  I will continue to laugh and mock her antics as she tries to be forever young even as she apparently goes and gets botox where they apply it with a large porcupine.  I won't even go into Frankel-Skinny's monster and the road crew that went in on her jaw recently.

 

I am curious though if someone could direct me to the moralizing on posts that laud Luann's looks for her age.  Or Frankel's hair.  Or Ramona's body?  I want to see where posters are  called out for commenting positively on looks since that is just as vapid shallow objectifying and being women perhaps rooted in misogynistic tones applying women in a category of being redeemed from whatever for their looks and appearance.  Anyone?  Anyone who has stated how immature it is to say any of these women looked good at one event or another?  I'm curious why looks are so off limits but only if people find these women wanting in that area?  An area they themselves all too often go after each other about not to mention clearly want judged positively by the efforts and even admissions and don't even mention the glaring evidence of vanity in that regard.

 

Now I don't plan on turning the picture off when I watch and I don't plan on censoring myself to simply adhere to another person's subjective morals in terms of posting that aren't the rules and aren't common courtesy.  I wonder though how many will decide that appearances are so off limits they take their stand to the next logical step.

I guess it's the old adage if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all, lol. But it's a defeating mantra here given the nature of this forum. Reality shows are kind of an addiction - they are train wrecks that we often cannot look away from and often times are comprised with a majority of people that we likely feel we would never be friends with in real life. The boundaries are subjective but you make a good point, why can you make reference to one particular thing if it's positive but get criticized if it's negative? I personally draw the line at making hard judgments on their character. I figure they must have lives outside of this show that are not as dramatic or controversial. If they can maintain real relationships beyond the cameras then I would like to think that there are good qualities present that allow them to flourish sociably/professionally outside of reality television. I don't really make mention of looks (though I do have my opinions on some of them) but I think that these women are using products and other means to enhance/change their looks so I don't think it's that horrible to address it if it's something that you have an opinion on.

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

Methenny's taking full credit for the ratings spiking.   But if you read the comments here,  reality tea and twitter most the audience is caping hard for LuAnn and Sonja,  not her or  definitely not Carole.   She's full of it.   If her effect was all that last year would had been the start of improved ratings.   She's nothing more then a 99 cent store version of Jill. 

It would be like Kelly taking full credit for the Scary Island Parts 1 & 2 and Jill taking full credit for Scary Island part 3.  This is a reoccurring theme with Bethenny.  And at the heart of the Skinnygirl vs. a skinny girl's margarita debate.  The exposure of her margarita came from interaction with another cast member, who was in fact there, when Bethenny went on air with her idea for the first time.  Bethenny doesn't recognize ensemble casts - she is the star and the others are just there for her to play off.

[WireWrap]

26 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Are the mics really that good that a really hushed conversation can be picked up so clearly on camera? How did Michael not hear what was being said? And if he did, he did a good job of keeping his attention elsewhere and showing no signs that he was privy to what was being said about him. The same thing happened when Bethenny was discussing Jules' body with someone else at the table and Jules was sitting right next to her but not once did we see Jules show any acknowledgment of the conversation.

I think the mics are that sensitive, plus I am sure they can isolate conversations and make them sound louder during/after editing. If you listen to Jules's, she is speaking in a hushed voice to Dorinda, add in background noises from the restaurant and John speaking directly to Michael, I don't have any problems believing that the guys didn't hear what Jules/Dorinda were saying. Oh, and Michael might be accustomed to tuning Jules out which may have played into him not hearing her as well. LOL

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

Carole should probably save some of that insight to use in analysis of her own behaviour. I can give another perspective to many of which she said in that blog which only leaves me with the impression that Carole is one audacious and self-righteous person.

What much younger men has Luann dated? This consistent accusation has yet to be addressed with any real evidence. When Luann initially spoke with Carole about Adam, she said that it was fine to bang him but criticized her for "dating' a man much younger than her. Luann defended her position saying that she couldn't date a man in the same age range as her children. So what Carole and Bethenny are accusing Luann of doing seems to be an accusation that fits their narrative and the definitions they've applied. Let me ask - what much younger man has Luann invited into her life and dated? Is going on a date and maybe have an occasional bed buddy that the rest of the world will never be introduced to considered 'dating'? Maybe to the most insecure woman would she consider occasional, hidden interactions to constitute dating or a relationship of any kind. Let me be very clear - I still think Luann was totally out of line with the criticisms she offered Carole but that doesn't mean that Carole can take her bias perspective and project it as the reality that cannot be denied.

Teaching Sonja to drink in moderation - Luann has hardly been called out for running around town acting like a lush. Drinking in moderation is drinking what you're able to handle. Ramona has already said that Luann handles her alcohol well so does it matter how much Luann drinks? If Luann isn't making a fool of herself and can stand on her own two feet why can she not tell someone else 'hey, know your limits and stay within it"? Why is it so funny that Luann tell Sonja to be selective with her men? Sonja is constantly seeking a relationship with men who only want her as a bed buddy. Luann has spent the majority of her life in long-term/committed relationships. She dates a lot when she's single but that dating has lead to her committed relationships. Not everyone can go to their friends house and hit on the chef that's preparing their lunch.

When she addressed Ramona she was making a pretty simple point - 'why are you beating up on me using Ramona as an example when Ramona has exhibited the same behaviour?'. Why was Bethenny speaking on Ramona's behalf on an issue that Ramona shouldn't have taken offense to given that she has also been caught flirting and trying to navigate male attention all to herself? Why is Luann obligated to defend herself to Bethenny rather than point out a good reason why Bethenny should get her facts straight and keep her trap shut?

I don't recall the pirate guy being married but why should Carole be addressing this matter of two random strangers that may or may not have been one night stands or heavy PDA partners for Luann while on vacation? Yes, they both may have been married. But possibly, were they married the same way her best friend Bethenny is married? Or is it the same way Bethenny's awesome new man is married? Neither Carole or Bethenny know any of the details of either man's marriage to know the context. They've clearly demonstrated that there is context where dating while married is understandable and not 'whorish' but given that neither knew of the men's relationship status, why automatically assume Luann to be the slut and whore who sleeps with married men? Another reason why they should keep their traps shut.

Of course she defends Bethenny. Self-awareness is not an admirable quality if you don't use that self-awareness to better yourself. Bethenny hasn't. She does the same shit and then apologizes or acknowledges her behaviour. You don't let a criminal go without justice just because they know that they were wrong. Get out of here with this bullshit Carole.

Edit: And one more thing - Luann was upset with you Carole. For reasons that were none of her business but she saw your actions as a slight toward her and/or her family. So she said something hurtful by calling you a pedophile. You were upset with Luann and made comments about Luann's lifestyle and co-signed the Slut and Whore commentary by Bethenny. Just because the exact words didn't come out of your mouth doesn't mean you aren't guilty of putting those labels onto Luann. Do you see the difference in how either of you dealt with your issue with each other? Yeah, neither do I.

As for Luann - she never denied that she didn't know about Sonja and Ramona by the time she was talking to the girls about it. She denied knowing about Ramona at the time she first dated Tom. And if Ramona and Sonja were ever really a thing with Tom, why in the hell was Dorinda advocating for Tom and Luann to hook up? Just because you go on a date with someone doesn't mean you own them and you don't owe explanations or seek approvals from fair weather friends about who you can and cannot date. Did Ramona ask Sonja permission who apparently has been with him for so long? Did Bethenny ask permission of her high school friend when she started dating the girl's husband? Did Carole ask permission of Nicole to date Adam when she's met the girl several times and has even got to a few red carpet events in support of Nicole's work?

God I love this post so much and I stopped to read the link before reading your post and couldn't really get through the whole thing without skimming cause buck gums was making my eyes roll so hard I was able to see what my ponytail looked like without a mirror so reading this most perfectly worded post that explains issue by issue what a crock of shit buck gums is selling was just all kinds of warm and fuzzy. I thank you for clarifing everything that ran through my mind as I read that long piece of junk Old gal was spewing all over the Bravo site. Beth and Carole are ridiculous!! They don't make any sense. They don't speak in any sort of accuracy. There whole argument is based off of piecey misrepresented, secondhand information and assumptions and I can't believe anyone can take any of what they say as completely factual. I don't care how many times Lu's misstepped!

Lu's gotten defensive, she's said some ugly things but one thing about Lu is that I've never seen her behavior as deliberately contrived. I do believe she gets strategic here and there which I ain't made at but contrived no. She will manuever as best as she can and she will have her bad moments, etc. etc. but at least it's not some forced means to an end. Maybe a bit timed but not completely of the grid of what the show is supposed to be about. Beth and Carole, especially this season, with their forced anxieties and conflicts and yada yada yada. I don't mind not liking someone what I mind is it disrupting the flow of the show. This isn't organic confllict it's basically blurring the lines between what should be the commodity and how the commodity is delivered to us. We are watching the workings of the show instead of these women and if not their 100% actual lives then at least their day to day activities in NY and with each other. 

It was bad enough that it's been turned into watching these women interact and deal with one another for the sake of the show but now we are seeing them treat each other in ways that are directly resulting from their conflicts regarding working together on this show. You might as well get shots of the other cameras and boom mics and show them talking to the crew cause all this stupid holding out on this and that looks just as behind the scenes as that would. So over it!

[RHJunkie]

15 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I think the mics are that sensitive, plus I am sure they can isolate conversations and make them sound louder during/after editing. If you listen to Jules's, she is speaking in a hushed voice to Dorinda, add in background noises from the restaurant and John speaking directly to Michael, I don't have any problems believing that the guys didn't hear what Jules/Dorinda were saying. Oh, and Michael might be accustomed to tuning Jules out which may have played into him not hearing her as well. LOL

Well tuning her out is certainly one very possibly explanation, haha. That makes sense given the activity in the restaurant and he was talking to John. They say that guys tend to have focused hearing. Women tend to pick up on several conversations around them (though they may not be able to follow the true flow of all of the conversations around them) but when a man is in a conversation, his full attention is to that conversation. I guess in general is seems odd to me but with the way you put it, I go back and look at the environment where these whispers are happening and it makes it seem more reasonable.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

Errr perhaps I should clarify.  Her blog might be interesting to those who don't vehemently hate Carol and are looking to find fault with her every statement.  Will ament my pervious post.

Everything Carole stated had no real merit and a lot of it wasn't based in actual fact. A mishmosh of events, claim, second hand information, speculation and assumptions don't create a smoking gun. Look, Carole can have opinions til she's buck in the face..... I mean blue in the face but the problem is she uses these examples and her take on it as some clear cut evidence that confirms things that can't be confirmed based on what she's offering up. It's the part where she seems to feel like she's cracked the case when it comes to Lu all the while using the same methods used in Parker Brothers, CLUE...

It was Countess Lu, in the laboratory, with the Pirate....

[The Mighty Peanut]

5 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

From Bethennys blog. No mention of the TMI issue. And this :

"The ratings are flying, the drama is real, and I give zero f---s if people love or hate me. This is a reality show and in dealing with this particular group of women, THIS is my reality."

This bugs. I want to see a reality show, the wives lives---divorces, work, everyday stuff---not Bethennys reality in "dealing" with this group of women. This is why the RH franchise is sucking. It's manufactured drama of them dealing with each other. Yes they have to interact but how they interact for ratings is not the show I want to watch. 

I'm so sick of all the housewives acting like the voice of reason among these women as though they themselves are above the fray. Nobody's "reality" requires that level of nastiness. Beth chose how she communicated her frustrations--Lu didn't behave in such a way that left her no other options than to have a total meltdown. 

Beth thinks she doesn't count as a housewife housewife because she's using the show as an infomercial for Skinny Girl. Carole is worth $50 million and seems to be a respected social figure, yet she gets into the same bullshit twitter wars and cliquey drama that the rest of them do while still pretending like she's a humble zen hipster widow doing this all as an on-site sociology experiment. 

Edited June 17, 2016 by The Mighty Peanut

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

So when Carole does a play-by-play blog that breaks down the inconsistencies of Luann, you think it's interesting. When I do a play-by-play review of the inconsistencies within Carole's blog, I get the honour of you attaching the word 'hate' to my name in response. How kind of you. Was that all to your response? You did nothing to refute the inconsistencies I pointed out...only quickly jumped to attaching a label to me that indirectly insinuates that my response is laced with heavy bias. I don't like any of the women. Not a single one of the women this season have not already been called out by me so you can take your accusation elsewhere, thank you very much.

You addressed the inconsistencies lovely! I applaud thee! Also, you were spot on in your assessment so Bravo! ;-)

[RHJunkie]

6 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

God I love this post so much and I stopped to read the link before reading your post and couldn't really get through the whole thing without skimming cause buck gums was making my eyes roll so hard I was able to see what my ponytail looked like without a mirror so reading this most perfectly worded post that explains issue by issue what a crock of shit buck gums is selling was just all kinds of warm and fuzzy. I thank you for clarifing everything that ran through my mind as I read that long piece of junk Old gal was spewing all over the Bravo site. Beth and Carole are ridiculous!! They don't make any sense. They don't speak in any sort of accuracy. There whole argument is based off of piecey misrepresented, secondhand information and assumptions and I can't believe anyone can take any of what they say as completely factual. I don't care how many times Lu's misstepped!

Lu's gotten defensive, she's said some ugly things but one thing about Lu is that I've never seen her behavior as deliberately contrived. I do believe she gets strategic here and there which I ain't made at but contrived no. She will manuever as best as she can and she will have her bad moments, etc. etc. but at least it's not some forced means to an end. Maybe a bit timed but not completely of the grid of what the show is supposed to be about. Beth and Carole, especially this season, with their forced anxieties and conflicts and yada yada yada. I don't mind not liking someone what I mind is it disrupting the flow of the show. This isn't organic confllict it's basically blurring the lines between what should be the commodity and how the commodity is delivered to us. We are watching the workings of the show instead of these women and if not their 100% actual lives then at least their day to day activities in NY and with each other. 

It was bad enough that it's been turned into watching these women interact and deal with one another for the sake of the show but now we are seeing them treat each other in ways that are directly resulting from their conflicts regarding working together on this show. You might as well get shots of the other cameras and boom mics and show them talking to the crew cause all this stupid holding out on this and that looks just as behind the scenes as that would. So over it!

Carole signed on to this show knowing that Luann was in negotiation to return. She signed on already deciding that she didn't want to speak to or even be at the same events at her. She is pulling a childish tantrum to get her way by adding stipulations to how and when she'll meet her RH commitments. Carole should have stayed home if her grievances were this severe. This is why I find Luann's behaviour amusing - because she refuses to be phased out. Carole had also made a comment that she would never bring Adam around Luann - is that her decision or his? Adam has gone on record and said that there are no hard feelings for Luann and that he doesn't think Luann has any hard feelings against him. He said that he understood her position and even joked that it would be funny if she hired him to cater her upcoming wedding but didn't think it likely. Carole has already said several times that she's moved on - maybe one day as he waits for the chicken to bake in the oven, he can explain to Carole what moving on really means. Though for a woman who says that she glides in and out of relationship - I would think that would understand what that actually means. Moving on doesn't mean forgiveness and rekindled friendship. It means not pouting your face every time you have to breathe the same air as Luann.

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Carole should probably save some of that insight to use in analysis of her own behaviour. I can give another perspective to many of which she said in that blog which only leaves me with the impression that Carole is one audacious and self-righteous person.

What much younger men has Luann dated? This consistent accusation has yet to be addressed with any real evidence. When Luann initially spoke with Carole about Adam, she said that it was fine to bang him but criticized her for "dating' a man much younger than her. Luann defended her position saying that she couldn't date a man in the same age range as her children. So what Carole and Bethenny are accusing Luann of doing seems to be an accusation that fits their narrative and the definitions they've applied. Let me ask - what much younger man has Luann invited into her life and dated? Is going on a date and maybe have an occasional bed buddy that the rest of the world will never be introduced to considered 'dating'? Maybe to the most insecure woman would she consider occasional, hidden interactions to constitute dating or a relationship of any kind. Let me be very clear - I still think Luann was totally out of line with the criticisms she offered Carole but that doesn't mean that Carole can take her bias perspective and project it as the reality that cannot be denied.

Teaching Sonja to drink in moderation - Luann has hardly been called out for running around town acting like a lush. Drinking in moderation is drinking what you're able to handle. Ramona has already said that Luann handles her alcohol well so does it matter how much Luann drinks? If Luann isn't making a fool of herself and can stand on her own two feet why can she not tell someone else 'hey, know your limits and stay within it"? Why is it so funny that Luann tell Sonja to be selective with her men? Sonja is constantly seeking a relationship with men who only want her as a bed buddy. Luann has spent the majority of her life in long-term/committed relationships. She dates a lot when she's single but that dating has lead to her committed relationships. Not everyone can go to their friends house and hit on the chef that's preparing their lunch.

When she addressed Ramona she was making a pretty simple point - 'why are you beating up on me using Ramona as an example when Ramona has exhibited the same behaviour?'. Why was Bethenny speaking on Ramona's behalf on an issue that Ramona shouldn't have taken offense to given that she has also been caught flirting and trying to navigate male attention all to herself? Why is Luann obligated to defend herself to Bethenny rather than point out a good reason why Bethenny should get her facts straight and keep her trap shut?

I don't recall the pirate guy being married but why should Carole be addressing this matter of two random strangers that may or may not have been one night stands or heavy PDA partners for Luann while on vacation? Yes, they both may have been married. But possibly, were they married the same way her best friend Bethenny is married? Or is it the same way Bethenny's awesome new man is married? Neither Carole or Bethenny know any of the details of either man's marriage to know the context. They've clearly demonstrated that there is context where dating while married is understandable and not 'whorish' but given that neither knew of the men's relationship status, why automatically assume Luann to be the slut and whore who sleeps with married men? Another reason why they should keep their traps shut.

Of course she defends Bethenny. Self-awareness is not an admirable quality if you don't use that self-awareness to better yourself. Bethenny hasn't. She does the same shit and then apologizes or acknowledges her behaviour. You don't let a criminal go without justice just because they know that they were wrong. Get out of here with this bullshit Carole.

Edit: And one more thing - Luann was upset with you Carole. For reasons that were none of her business but she saw your actions as a slight toward her and/or her family. So she said something hurtful by calling you a pedophile. You were upset with Luann and made comments about Luann's lifestyle and co-signed the Slut and Whore commentary by Bethenny. Just because the exact words didn't come out of your mouth doesn't mean you aren't guilty of putting those labels onto Luann. Do you see the difference in how either of you dealt with your issue with each other? Yeah, neither do I.

As for Luann - she never denied that she didn't know about Sonja and Ramona by the time she was talking to the girls about it. She denied knowing about Ramona at the time she first dated Tom. And if Ramona and Sonja were ever really a thing with Tom, why in the hell was Dorinda advocating for Tom and Luann to hook up? Just because you go on a date with someone doesn't mean you own them and you don't owe explanations or seek approvals from fair weather friends about who you can and cannot date. Did Ramona ask Sonja permission who apparently has been with him for so long? Did Bethenny ask permission of her high school friend when she started dating the girl's husband? Did Carole ask permission of Nicole to date Adam when she's met the girl several times and has even got to a few red carpet events in support of Nicole's work?

The easy answer to all of this is that Lu came for Carole. Carole never said boo about Lu sleeping with married men. She never talked about the Pirate being married, never talked about her dating younger men, etc. She was friends with Lu and seemed to be fine with Lu doing whatever it was she wanted to do. I don't get what is so hard to understand about the fact that Lu made Carole's personal life the business of the entire world. She is the one who called Carole terrible names, made terrible accusations, and was relentless in doing so. It wasn't until then that Carole decided it would be fair to let the world know about the ways in which Lu has behaved. And if I were Carole, I would keep a log, maybe hire a private detective, maybe poke around through her garbage. She started it and didn't like the fact that someone else was going to finish it. Too bad. People in glass houses and all of that. 

Edited June 17, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[Yours Truly]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

I'm so sick of all the housewives acting like the voice of reason among these women as though they themselves are above the fray. Nobody's "reality" requires that level of nastiness. Beth chose how she communicated her frustrations--Lu didn't behave in such a way that left her no other options than to have a total meltdown. 

Beth thinks she doesn't count as a housewife housewife because she's using the show as an infomercial for Skinny Girl. Carole is worth $50 million and seems to be a respected social figure, yet she gets into the same bullshit twitter wars and cliquey drama that the rest of them do while still pretending like she's a humble zen hipster widow doing this all as an on-site sociology experiment. 

Which has been her angle since season 1. It's also annoying how she's keeps implying that same train of thought when tweeting her "haters". Her responses are littered with things like "it's a show people", "it's what were are paid to do" or some such nonsense. All trying to point back to the idea that what we see or what she's allows herself to be a part of is some before hand approved script that isn't really based in how she really is as a person.... now the OTHER wives however, that shit and THEIR bad behavior is real. She seems to think she's been added as the shows journalist only there to observe and share her take on things and not that she's actually apart of the malarkey. Silly, silly rabbit... (hey, unintentional pun, ya know, since rabbits have those two front buck teeth...) BWAAHHHAAHAAAA I slay myself (if no one else..) ;-)

Edited June 17, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

5 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Carole signed on to this show knowing that Luann was in negotiation to return. She signed on already deciding that she didn't want to speak to or even be at the same events at her. She is pulling a childish tantrum to get her way by adding stipulations to how and when she'll meet her RH commitments. Carole should have stayed home if her grievances were this severe. This is why I find Luann's behaviour amusing - because she refuses to be phased out. Carole had also made a comment that she would never bring Adam around Luann - is that her decision or his? Adam has gone on record and said that there are no hard feelings for Luann and that he doesn't think Luann has any hard feelings against him. He said that he understood her position and even joked that it would be funny if she hired him to cater her upcoming wedding but didn't think it likely. Carole has already said several times that she's moved on - maybe one day as he waits for the chicken to bake in the oven, he can explain to Carole what moving on really means. Though for a woman who says that she glides in and out of relationship - I would think that would understand what that actually means. Moving on doesn't mean forgiveness and rekindled friendship. It means not pouting your face every time you have to breathe the same air as Luann.

Can Carole even pout? Doesn't that require the bottom lip to come up over the top? Maybe we should use the term scowl instead? LOL... ;-)

[Giselle]

On 6/15/2016 at 9:38 AM, Trooper York said:

Oh I always bring my dog shit out with me while I am shopping for photography equipment. It is perfectly alright to bring it into a store and put it on the counter where it might spill on the space where expensive photography equipment is placed. Or where another unsuspecting customer might put his elbow in it.

I guess it is the cool new accessory like a porkpie hat or a bear suit.

(I am going to stop now. Sorry. This is better in the Carole thread. My apologies)

Well Carol has admitted to not letting go of things easily. The bag o' poop us a tangible proof of Baby's existence in her life and it's more easily portable to tote around town especially when you go into establishments that won't  accept  self prescribed "service animals." ?

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

People seem to be forgetting that these women are NOT ride or die friends like that. I don't even think that they even consider their friendships close enough to warrant such an in depth vetting process over men. There are a couple of closer acquaintances than others on this show like Lu and Sonja get a long fine. Ramona and ..... whatever.... Beth and Carole but N/A right about now. Dorinda and Ramona which seems to be rocky and on the way down if they continue doing the show but regardless of the semi believable "friendships" on this show Ramona and Lu are not and have never been besties so this debate about Toms possible handful of dates with Ramona which I seriously side eye is completely foreign to me.

First off, I believe that whole idea is mainly when there's a serious relationship involved and my friend is actually my friend. The only way that a woman who went on a couple of dates and "tested" (past tense) the waters with someone I'm interested in dating would matter to me would be if that person was a serious friend of mine that I am close to. Not some co-worker, frenemy, or fair weather friend. Sorry. It's downright ridiculous to apply this whole friendship rule about dating the same dude to these women who know each other work together and barely tolerate each other while the cameras are rolling. Off season, I'm sure they are friendly and go through social motions and send card and gift baskets if someone is sick but I DO NOT see Lu and Ramona having sleep overs doing each others nails and being each others rock.

Unless we are suggesting any man that has ever went on a date with any woman you've interacted with more than a handful of times for this reason or that is off limits then.... Yeah, no..

Not to mention that I am totally not convinced that Ramona isn't amping up the details surrounding all of this just to do what she usually does and thats be a bitch just cause.

As for Sonja, she's no innocent also. Sonja doesn't like being shown up when it comes to her thing which is being the desirable over 50 siren she's wrapped her whole being in. So I'm not so quick to believe her account of what her relationship with Tom entailed or the timing. Remember how she tried to convince everyone and herself that her and Harry were going to move forward as an official couple??? That's was seriously delusional.

Thanks for this. You just made the entire case on why Lu was so incredibly ridiculous about Carole and Adam last year. This whole conversation now is largely based on the fact that Lu is now doing something that she was horrified to see someone else do last year. This deal is only a "thing" because Lu originally made it a thing. Unless I've missed it, I have yet to see where either Sonja or Ramona is pissed at Lu. They seem pretty OK with it, which isn't the same as the fact that they might also casually mention the obvious hypocrisy.  Carole is understandably disgusted because she got accused of horrible things last year by a person who is now doing the exact same thing and just wants to move on like none of it ever happened. 

[Yours Truly]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

The easy answer to all of this is that Lu came for Carole. Carole never said boo about Lu sleeping with married men. She never talked about the Pirate being married, never talked about her dating younger men, etc. She was friends with Lu and seemed to be fine with Lu doing whatever it was she wanted to do. I don't get what is so hard to understand about the fact that Lu made Carole's personal life the business of the entire world. She is the one who called Carole terrible names, made terrible accusations, and was relentless in doing so. It wasn't until then that Carole decided it would be fair to let the world know about the ways in which Lu has behaved. And if I were Carole, I would keep a log, maybe hire a private detective, maybe poke around through her garbage. She started it and didn't like the fact that someone else was going to finish it. Too bad. People in glass houses and all of that. 

But its so boring already. I get it, Carole doesn't like Lu. At this point it's like hearing that Jules is Asian, oh and Jewish...

Uggggh. In terms that maybe Carole can understand... That's just sooooo last year.

[motorcitymom65]

9 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Carole signed on to this show knowing that Luann was in negotiation to return. She signed on already deciding that she didn't want to speak to or even be at the same events at her. She is pulling a childish tantrum to get her way by adding stipulations to how and when she'll meet her RH commitments. Carole should have stayed home if her grievances were this severe. This is why I find Luann's behaviour amusing - because she refuses to be phased out. Carole had also made a comment that she would never bring Adam around Luann - is that her decision or his? Adam has gone on record and said that there are no hard feelings for Luann and that he doesn't think Luann has any hard feelings against him. He said that he understood her position and even joked that it would be funny if she hired him to cater her upcoming wedding but didn't think it likely. Carole has already said several times that she's moved on - maybe one day as he waits for the chicken to bake in the oven, he can explain to Carole what moving on really means. Though for a woman who says that she glides in and out of relationship - I would think that would understand what that actually means. Moving on doesn't mean forgiveness and rekindled friendship. It means not pouting your face every time you have to breathe the same air as Luann.

Maybe she just needs time to do this. I certainly would. From her blog we all know that she does eventually move on to the point where she goes to Lu's engagement party, so there must be some resolution. 

[RHJunkie]

Just now, motorcitymom65 said:

The easy answer to all of this is that Lu came for Carole. Carole never said boo about Lu sleeping with married men. She never talked about the Pirate being married, never talked about her dating younger men, etc. She was friends with Lu and seemed to be fine with Lu doing whatever it was she wanted to do. I don't get what is so hard to understand about the fact that Lu made Carole's personal life the business of the entire world. She is the one who called Carole terrible names, made terrible accusations, and was relentless in doing so. It wasn't until then that Carole decided it would be fair to let the world know about the ways in which Lu has behaved. And if I were Carole, I would keep a log, maybe hire a private detective, maybe poke around through her garbage. She started it and didn't like the fact that someone else was going to finish it. Too bad. 

That's the convenient answer, hence why it's easy and it's also not an excuse. This isn't grade school. You don't get to shame someone and think you're the mature person just because the other person did it first. I don't care if Carole fights fire with fire...but don't continually mope and cry about it if you're willing to roll up your sleeves and play in the mud too. That is the point. That is where Carole shows her own hand of hypocrisy. She wants Luann to be principled in acknowledging her behaviour yet Carole lacks the self-awareness to acknowledge her own - it absolutely doesn't matter whether Carole's own dirty antics came before or in retaliation to Luann. The one thing that is factual is that BOTH have said nasty things about one another. If you're going to play dirty with no apologies then leave the 'I'm the victim' routine at home. In the RH version of monopoly, Carole has landed on 'grade school idiot'. I wish someone would tell her that she's allowed to roll the dice and 'move past it'.

[Almost 3000]

16 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

She blabbed that she was 'sick' and 'bleeding all over the place' - seems to me that she was the one that was lying about the severity of her 'problem'. If she was bleeding out, the last place she should have been was sitting on her bloody ass in a restaurant?

Did anyone else hear Vicki's voice screeching about "bleeding out my ass"?

[Yours Truly]

13 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Thanks for this. You just made the entire case on why Lu was so incredibly ridiculous about Carole and Adam last year. This whole conversation now is largely based on the fact that Lu is now doing something that she was horrified to see someone else do last year. This deal is only a "thing" because Lu originally made it a thing. Unless I've missed it, I have yet to see where either Sonja or Ramona is pissed at Lu. They seem pretty OK with it, which isn't the same as the fact that they might also casually mention the obvious hypocrisy.  Carole is understandably disgusted because she got accused of horrible things last year by a person who is now doing the exact same thing and just wants to move on like none of it ever happened. 

Carole and Lu were in the beginning of what was becoming a close friendship. Not frenemies, not coworkers but they were actually building a friendship. Carole even admitted to it and we went into that season with information that they had been spending time nuturing their friendship. Nothing like the magnitude of what Ramona had done to Lu has even remotely happened between Lu and Carole. Just a few corny conflicts that they had gotten passed.

Lu started getting aggressive (she was not pleased or happy in the beginning, very true) but Lu didn't start getting nasty until Carole made it clear that Lu, nor her nieces feelings meant a goddamn thing to her. I think it was the public declaration of Carole's zero fucks that did it and not the whole asking permission or being with someone so close within the circle. Of course that was a part of all the emotions but I think the conflict was more about Carole's callousness over the whole thing that was obviously more sensitive and personal to Lu than Ramona's spin of her time "dating" Tom.

There's no case to be made because at the end of the day the whole Carole and Adam thing is done. Over. In the history books and is just not relevant anymore. As a defense, as an accusation, as anything. The circumstances surrounding that particular situation is different than this current situation, than it is surround Beth and her new married mans situation, and is different from the married strangers situation in T&C and one thing that should stand out as the most important detail is that outside of Carole situation with Lu Carole doesn't know all the details of any situation Lu is in, has been in, or will be a part of so to speak so absolutely as she does just puts Carole in a league all of her own. Well her and Beth that is.

Then End.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Yours Truly

[BananaRama]

I don't think wanting to marry someone after 6 weeks is a bad idea when you are in your fifties.  Most 50-year-olds are mature, sensible and well - let's face it - have 50 years of life experience to base their decisions.  With that being said, Luann is not acting like a mature and sensible 50-year-old woman -- she is acting really manic and her behavior is obnoxious.  I am hoping that she is acting like this because she is in love, but her behavior makes me squirm. 

I wanted to see Luann's hair with the extensions too.  I think her current hairstyle ages her. 

[ElDosEquis]

37 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Everything Carole stated had no real merit and a lot of it wasn't based in actual fact. A mishmosh of events, claim, second hand information, speculation and assumptions don't create a smoking gun. Look, Carole can have opinions til she's buck in the face..... I mean blue in the face but the problem is she uses these examples and her take on it as some clear cut evidence that confirms things that can't be confirmed based on what she's offering up. It's the part where she seems to feel like she's cracked the case when it comes to Lu all the while using the same methods used in Parker Brothers, CLUE...

It was Countess Lu, in the laboratory, with the Pirate....

But, that's no lead pipe in the pirate's pants?

[BananaRama]

I still like Carole.  I am glad that she is boring on this show and hope that she doesn't start acting like a lunatic just so she can remain on the show. 

[biakbiak]

Carole has laughed off the notion that she is worth $50 million which comes from a hugely unreliable site and there is no way that number makes sense.

[RHJunkie]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Maybe she just needs time to do this. I certainly would. From her blog we all know that she does eventually move on to the point where she goes to Lu's engagement party, so there must be some resolution. 

Well keeping in mind the context of the show is interaction. I understand needing time to have a real conversation with Luann. I also understand needing time to move past the cordial stage. But it's very clear that Carole began the season with the intention of phasing Luann out of her presence. She has repeatedly taken issue with Luann being invited places and has threatened to not show up if Luann is around. This is completely contradicting to the point of the show and for this, it doesn't seem at all sensible that she would return given the nature of their job. If Luann had simply cowered to Carole's wishes and if the likes of Dorinda and Ramona had bowed to Carole's desires, would Carole and Luann have even reached a place of some kind of resolution? Again, I understand needing time to address her issues with Luann face to face and be open to any kind of honest resolution but Carole returned to the show with a very extreme line in the sand against Luann and I think had other factors not worked against her, I'm not sure she would have ended the season with 'soft-boiled feelings' for Luann, lol.

[Almost 3000]

16 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Well, if it doesn't work out with Tom, Jules's hubby will be available and he is rich. John may be available down the road but I think the countess is too much of a snob to go for John, free dry cleaning aside.

Didn't Sonja's facial gal say Lu likes short men...

[zoeysmom]

When did the pirate get married?  This seems to be a new development.

[izabella]

The pirate wasn't married.  The man in question that may have been married/separated/divorcing is the guy in St. Bart's (and he wasn't the naked juice guy - that was Ramona's guy she sent upstairs to the room adjoining Heather's and Carole's room). 

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

So much awesomeness in this post! lol. This is preciously why I think Luann is coming above the fray. After everything has been said to her face and behind her back, Luann hasn't once made herself the victim of bullying. She simply put on her big girl shoes and is handling business. I think that if Bethenny wants to truly bury the hatchet with Luann then Luann will hold back but she can tell that Bethenny is being tolerable so she's giving back that fire with some of her own. But she's not going to look like a crazy banshee ala Bethenny. Nope, she's going to handle you with the sandwich approach - fit in your insults between compliments and/or common pleasantries. Once the shade has been thrown, get up and walk away. Bethenny may want to take credit for the ratings but Luann is a huge part of that reason because she's been a willing combatant face to face and then she's enjoying her life when she doesn't have Bethenny and Carole around to pout in her presence. For the most part, Luann will come out smelling like roses this season and not because she's some innocent because by contrast, it's not hard to look good when you have the attitudes of Bethenny and Carole to contend with.

It's a real talent to be able to do it effectively - and to be able to stop at a certain point. Sometimes sticking around and trying to score extra points is just wasting time.

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, halkatla said:

I just started mocking her age when she started showing how incredibly bitchy and immature she is in every scene. I think it´s well deserved.

But isn't doing the 1st statement in bold show you to be the 2nd statement in bold?  Age shaming as well as shaming someone for how they look when they cannot help it seems just petty and immature.  I have no issue with snarking on style since that can be changed.  Shaming the face/body they were born with seems very schoolyard and simply mean.  Everyone is beautiful to someone.

[izabella]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

Shaming the face/body they were born with seems very schoolyard and simply mean.

Lol, I don't think any of them are wearing the faces they were born with at this point!  Not after all those fillers, botox, and surgeries to nose, eyes, jaws, whatnot.

[ElDosEquis]

2 minutes ago, izabella said:

The pirate wasn't married.  The man in question that may have been married/separated/divorcing is the guy in St. Bart's (and he wasn't the naked juice guy - that was Ramona's guy she sent upstairs to the room adjoining Heather's and Carole's room). 

I love the nicknames.

Anal Pirate

Naked Juice Guy

and Undetermined Marital Status Guy.