S06.E07: The Broken Man

[Mya Stone]

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The High Sparrow considers another target; Jaime confronts a hero; Arya makes a plan; memories are awakened in

 

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[SimoneS]

Go Olenna, tell Cercei to fuck off.  Oh shut up, Sparrow. I hope that Olenna stabs him in the heart before it is over. Poor Margaery and Loras.

Jon is looking handsome as hell with his hair back and his fur coat. Wun Wun is huge. He alone should be able to smash Ramsey’s army.

I love Lyanna Mormont. She rocks. It is horrible to see the northern houses betraying their oaths, but I hate that Glover is right about Rob’s stupidity leading to Starks destruction. Poor Sansa having to ask Littlefinger for help.

Shit, the Lannister army is now at Riverrun. Bronn is hilarious. I love him. Hopefully, he will be reunited with Tyrion before the show is over. Blackfish rules.

The Hound, fuck how did he survive? Ian McShane will always be Lovejoy to me.

Yeah, Yara! Go to Daenerys and ally with her. So this is what the Ironborn do after committing treason. Yara doesn’t want the real Theon Greyjoy. She needs a new one.

I am pleased that Arya is back to being Arya and trying to get home. I hope she kills that annoying girl before she leaves.

I hate that preview. Jaime is so whipped. I hope that Brienne kills him and puts him out of his misery.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[AimingforYoko]

Hi, Ian McShane! Bye, Ian McShane! I did not see the point of that little commune, unless it was to get The Hound off the sidelines.
Fuck Queen of Thorns, Olenna is the Queen of Shade. That takedown of Cersei was beauuuutiful. I'm probably going to watch that again and again and again....
And the only one with fewer fucks than Olenna is one Brynden Tully. Bad bluff to make Freys when the one your bluffing could care less.
And in closing: Hate the waif.

[izabella]

5 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Yeah, Yara! Go to Daenerys and ally with her. So this is what the Ironborn do after committing treason. Yara doesn’t want the real Theon Greyjoy. She needs a new one.

Maybe Varys can offer some guidance to Theon. 

[mojoween]

60 minutes of Ian McShane and Rory McCann.  I would pay cash money to watch that.

Edited June 6, 2016 by mojoween

[SimoneS]

I was surprised to see Lyanna camping with her men. She is clearly following in her mother's footsteps and fighting with them. I love it.

[NeenerNeener]

Wow, the media made a big deal about Ian McShane joining the cast...for what turns out to be one episode. 

I'm disappointed in Arya; the Waif should not have been able to get the drop on her. And she looked well and truly ventilated, so how is she's going to survive that?

Edited June 6, 2016 by NeenerNeener

[Last Time Lord]

"The North Remembers" my ass...

[FormerMod-a1]

The Waif sucks as an assassin, although I am glad Arya got away.  I hope she can heal now.

[SimoneS]

The actress in the troupe might help Arya recover enough to get her revenge and get out of Braavos.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[AimingforYoko]

Davos Seaworth, Crabber's son, smuggler and smooth talker for taciturn leaders. That Lyanna Mormont was a tough nut to crack. And Jon moping around wasn't going to get the job done.

[Popples]

Hi Bronn! Nice to see you again, hope you stick around for the remainder of the season. Only 3 more episodes, it goes so quickly.

So Sandor is still alive, and after fleeting inner peace is in the mood for a murderous rampage. So now the Brotherhood are just total dicks now? I guess they're supposed to be like the Stark loyalists Brienne killed when she was escorting Jaime to King's Landing. Even the "good" side has horrible people making up the ranks.

I'm hoping Margaery knows what she's doing, she's toeing a dangerous line. And Gods did I love Olenna giving Ceisei the verbal lashing she deserved. All of their problems are her fault!

Lady Lyanna Mormont is my new contender for the Iron Throne. Girl is a total Boss (doesn't even need dragons).

Oh Darling, you're a Glover now!

I love Wun-Wun. Did Tormund even get to say good-bye to Brienne?

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

#TeamBearIsland and its #TinyFierceWarriorGirl!

[Quickbeam]

Loved the "it's no big deal" approach to Yara's sexuality. Otherwise even having watched every flippin' episode, I am perpetually lost. 

[bmoore4026]

Well, fuck all happened this episode.

I do admit that Oleanna's "reason you suck speech" was delicious.  Cersei screwed so many pooches with this latest scheme I'm amazed she's not been charged with bestiality.

I've figured out who High Sparrow is - he's Cecil the Turtle, who has beaten Bugs Bunny three times and has gotten away with it.  Fuck that turtle.

Arya, why the fuck did you go with out your sword?  And now we're back to square one with her being frightened and vulnerable.  One step forward, two fucking steps back.

Sansa and Jon bargaining for troops was boring but Ten Year Old Bear Island Queen was awesome.  That is all.

Didn't get any tits and dragons, but we did get tits and lesbians.  Get yourself some, Yara!

Giant Wildling is still awesome and always will be. 

Blackfishes are boring.

And The Hound  is back.  Took me awhile to figure out who it was.  So is he getting a redemption arc now?  God, it's like Oprah handing out cars.  "You get a redemption arc and you get a redemption arc and you get a redemption arc!  Too bad there are hidden taxes with the redemption arcs and many of you won't keep them."

Next episode: "I choose violence."  There had better be.

[Katalina]

The Hound!!!!!! Ah-ooooooooooo (“Werewolves of London” sound effect).

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Ian McShane will always be Lovejoy to me.

Me, too.

Lyanna Mormont—Davos really knew how to talk to her, which made me think of how he loved Shireen. :(

[Stardancer Supreme]

This was the episode of no fucks given and no chill to be found. The Blackfish is savage. "Kill him then. I don't give a damn."

Lady Mormont: "I'm not here to reminisce. What you want?"

Lady Olenna: "I'm going home, but I still hate you Cersei."

The Hound is back!

I hope that is not the way that Arya is going out. I wanted her to kill the waif!

Sansa's note to Baelish: "I fucking hate your guts but I need the Vale Army like right now."

Edited June 6, 2016 by Stardancer Supreme

[Advance35]

Yikes.  Team Re-Take Winterfell isn't off to an inspiring start.   The North was KO'ed with the Red Wedding and not everyone has recovered from the losses.   Lord Glover seemed especially pissed.   There was speculation that being teamed with Wildings would be a bad PR move and I guess the history is just as ugly between the North and the Wildings as it is between the Nights Watch and the Wildings.   The infighting shown is proof positive that unity isn't going to be as simple as chanting "Winter is Coming."   Sansa was no doubt reaching out to Littlefinger.

The High Sparrow probably recognizes the shrewd player in Lady Olenna and wants her OUT of Kings Landing.  It's clear Margery's conversion is a ruse and her loyalty lies with House Tyrell.   That was heartening to see, it's just a shame since I think Olenna would have been a wonderful co-conspirator.   Margaery is on dangerous footing.

Olenna and Cersei.  Good Lord, the two women radiated such HATE.  Especially Olenna.  I like the fact that she's been so busy trying to recover from Cersei's antics that she hasn't sat around in ruminated but we were finally able to see just how much rage Olenna feels over all that's happened.  Pithy quips aside, this is her house and her Grand Children and Cersei's done damage.   Surprised she's leaving Kings Landing all told, even if it is at the prompting of Margaery.

Arya is going to bring Faceless Men trouble with her to the North I just know it.

Didn't care about the Hound.  Would have been content not to see him again.

House Frey continues to look like a Weasel collection.

[bluvelvet]

So that happened .. Not the most exciting episode in the world. 

Lover Lyanna Mormont and her 62 men. Girls a badass, I hope nothing happens to her. I think her and Davos will get along well. 

The Blackfish had zero fucks to give.. Nice verbal slap down of Jaime 

The ghost of Robb Starks stupidity lives on. Pity none of these people saw the WW, I doubt they would care about fighting with wildlings. 

Arya should have really know better but I also know she won't die so meh..

[cynic]

When I grow up, I want to be just like Lady Mormont.

[tomsmom]

Wow everything that happened in this ep Stevie Wonder could have seen coming. 

[SimoneS]

9 minutes ago, Katalina said:

Lyanna Mormont—Davos really knew how to talk to her, which made me think of how he loved Shireen. :(

Davos' speciality is demanding young princesses and ladies. He respects and loves them so they respect him in return.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[beeble]

Wow - for a while I thought Ian McShane was bringing some nuanced perspective to the Westeros fight club. Nope Pacifists just get in the way. 

Diana Rigg is too damn cool for words. I hope she'll only pretend to sneak out of King's Landing. Or maybe she can move up north to help Tyrion. 

Sansa is turning into a badass. I did not miss Dany this week. 

[SimoneS]

I am glad that Olenna is heeding Margaery's warning and leaving. It is clear that Sparrow was warning Margeary that Olenna was next in line or maybe he wanted to Olenna out because she is the last brains in King's Landing. Whatever happens next Olenna will be safe and alive to take her revenge on Cersei and the Sparrow.

[RedHawk]

Is fierce little Lady Mormont Jorah's sister or daughter?

[SimoneS]

1 minute ago, RedHawk said:

Is fierce little Lady Mormont Jorah's sister or daughter?

Lyanna is the late Lord Commander's niece so she would be Jorah's cousin.

[mojoween]

I love that they had the cold open.  If I had seen Rory's name in the credits before seeing him in character...well my reaction would have been the same, in that I sat up in my chair, clapped my hand over my mouth and said "yay!"

The Hound, at least, is not unrepentingly bad because if he were, he would have raped Sansa.

Ooh Lyanna was throwing shade at Sansa.  "Is it Bolton? Or Lannister? I can't keep it straight."

[peggy06]

I could tell from the previouslies and the cast list over the titles that it wasn't going to be a great episode. The Hound being back is a big So what? to me. Ditto Bron. Maybe they will prove themselves useful, but right now, Bron is on the wrong side of the fight.

Although it was tedious, I'm kind of glad they didn't make it too easy for Sansa and Jon to rally other houses. It would have been unrealistic. Though, that was likely just a set-up so Sansa would have an excuse to send an SOS raven to Baelish.

Careless, careless, Arya! I don't expect her to die, but not sure where she's going to find help.

There is way too little Tyrion for my taste this season.

[BitterApple]

Huge slow clap for Lady Olenna putting Cersei in check.

John, Sansa and Davos kissing a ten year-old's ass for soldiers was hilarious. The other Lord was right that Rob Stark screwed them all over and got people killed because of his stupidity. Team Stark better find a new angle to work with.

Return of the Hound? Yassss!!! I hope he reconnects with Arya.

Margery is definitely running the long con on the High Sparrow. Time will tell to see if she's as clever as she thinks she is. Thank God there was no Dany to give another repetitive speech. My night is complete...

[AimingforYoko]

5 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Thank God there was no Dany to give another repetitive speech

She was mentioned, though. Should be interesting with Yara and Dany, ♪Sisters are doin' it for themselves...♪

[RedHawk]

Yara gave Theon the Iron version of therapy: Sorry you lost your cock. True, most of what happened to you was all your fault. That said, I need you now, so either slit your wrists or pull yourself together. 

[dramachick]

Well, that was depressing. I know Arya's going to be saved somehow, but I hated to see her get sucker-stabbed.

For every step forward, the Starks have to go two steps back.

I have undying love for Robb Stark, but he really fucked up.

Lyanna Mormont is no joke!

Edited June 6, 2016 by dramachick

[SimoneS]

Olenna needs new allies to save Margaery and Loras so I hope she intends to go find Daenerys in Mereen also. I wouldn't mind Drogon taking out Cersei and Jamie in one fell swoop, spare the Lannister army though, we will need them.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[RedHawk]

Lyanna Mormont is like the daughter Brienne and Tormund are gonna have one day, just a lot more tiny.

[maydaymayday]

Given the short amount of screen time (and the episode was 50 minutes long), I am not sure what that commune accomplished.  Yes, the Hound is alive, but I think that could have taken much less time.

I'd rather have seen the Arya scene come to a natural conclusion instead of being kept hanging another week. A Man said to the Waif, 'don't let her suffer' and the Waif certainly did not heed that command. Someone will have to die, perhaps the Waif.

Where do the Hound's loyalties lie at this point?

With only 3 episodes left, I think the Stark children will likely remain mostly separated until next season.

Thank goodness no hint of a pregnant Sansa.  I really didn't want to go there.

[Popples]

2 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Lyanna Mormont is like the daughter Brienne and Tormund are gonna have one day, just a lot more tiny.

I was thinking she might have some Tyrell in her ancestry somewhere. She had a young Lady Olenna air about her.

[SoWindsor]

This episode kinda sucked. Felt like I was watching a different show.

[Luckylyn]

I was really annoyed that Arya wasn't on her guard.  I wonder if she will end up with the acting troupe.   The actress who plays Cersi owes Arya one.

Sansa doesn't know how to be a team player.  She should discuss the Littlefinger situation with Jon before asking for help.  Littlefinger will use Sansa's request for help to demand whose knows what in return.  She's committing her brother to a debt without his knowledge.  Although she might be able to twist things.  After what happened with Ramsey Sansa could argue that Littlefinger owes her his army as a debt. 

I loved seeing Bronn and am excited at the prospect of a Brienne/Jamie reunion, but they are on opposing sides.  It's going to get ugly.

Blackfish's willingness to risk Edmure's life may work against him.  Jaime is the first person since the Red Wedding to show Edmure any respect by demanding he be treated better.   Edmure might feel bitterness enough at being abandoned to die by Blackfish to give Jaime inside information on the castle defenses.  Jaime may just need to get one man in there to destroy the food supplies that Blackfish made a point of mentioning. 

[whydoievencare]

I had to check which show I was watching - with both Tobias Menzies and Clive Russell working on Outlander and GOT.  

[that one guy]

52 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

She was mentioned, though. Should be interesting with Yara and Dany, ♪Sisters are doin' it for themselves...♪

Shipping them already.

[SimoneS]

I am struck by the lack of outrage about Jaime who has become the worse character on the show. People go on and on about Daenerys and Sansa, yet Jaime who has reverted to the useless spineless creature who pushed Bran out that window garners little comment. Jaime has become figuratively and literally Cersei's lap dog. He runs around following her wrongheaded commands even though her bad judgment has brought their house to ruin. What is happening at Casterly Rock? What about Jaime's oath to Cate? Blackfish was right not to be impressed. I hope that Brienne tells Jaime off although it likely won't make any difference.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[Taget]

1) Usually I consider timeline criticisms to be nitpicking.  I mean you have to get things moving a bit.  But given nobody but Dany has dragons can they at least make a pretense that things make sense.  Think I remember once hearing that Westeros is basically North and South America.  So I'll use that as a reference since that is as good as any since I assume Westeros is not an Island the size of say Sri Lanka.

Jon and Sansa just went from Castle Black (Let's say Toronto) and traveled to Vancouver.  Using google maps that would be about 2,700 miles.  Traveling on technology available in 1200 AD.

Yara and Theon (though maybe it's Euron) if we go by reports Arya heard have gone from the Iron Islands to Slaver's Bay.  That would be sailing going from San Francisco to say Lagos Nigeria.  Sailing around the tip of South America.  Using Viking technology that not only involved sailing but rowing.

And of course Arya immediately after running away from the death cult is trying to book a voyage out of dodge where she hears the Iron Islanders have arrived in Slaver's Bay.  This is anywhere from 4 hours to at most two weeks.  Okay Arya's timeline and the other timelines dont have to align.  So maybe the events we saw last week happened a year ago (or more) on the Iron islands but Arya's timeline last week was more  immediate.   But the writers are really really stretching even the limits of suspension of belief.

2) Like everyone I liked spunky little Lyanna Mormont.  And I figured 62 was a symbolic show of support since they lost a lot of men already at the Red Wedding and it is probably a rather desolate cold island that doesn't support a big population.  But then she actually shows up.  Do her 62 people REALLY need a 10 year to trot along with an army that just traveled back 2,000 miles.  What is her role as a 10 (or perhaps now 11) year old?  To slay enemy soldiers with her teddy bear?

3) Arya Stark's wounds look pretty terminal.  And one would assume without some form of magic or the help of some Maester with some uber healing abilities certain to spell her doom.  Then again with Princess Bounce (Sansa Stark) surviving an impossible fall that someone had just died attempting without a scratch and Jon Snow actually returning after literally dying I expect she'll be as good or better than new by the end of the next episode she appears in.

4) Taliban West (Brotherhood without Banners) makes an appearance.  Wish rather than Swearengen's likable crew they had run into Taliban South (Faith Militant) who'd actually fight back.  The fact that they don't does tell us something useful.  The Faith Militant though they control King's Landing have far more limited influence outside of it.  Swearengen tried to be a good influence on the Hound and it may have even worked if the Brotherhood hadn't slaughtered their religious rivals.  Now The Hound is angry.  And you don't want to get The Hound angry.

5) Jaime did not exactly offer the Blackfish much.  He didn't even offer to try to save his nephew's life.  Though of course Jaime had to know there would be no reason for the Blackfish to believe anything Jaime said.

6) Margery is playing a game and we can see it from her giving the Tyrell flower to Olenna.   The question is whether Margery may find the Faith Militant useful for her purposes (sidelining the older generation of Lannisters and Tyrells to maximize her influence over the King) or whether she views the High Sparrow himself as the chief rival she wishes to get rid of.  The truth is probably more mundane.  She's just playing the best card she has to survive day to day.

7) Bronn STILL hasn't gotten his Lordship?  Think Tyrion would still take him back in service of the Mother of Dragons?

8) House Glover makes a good point.  As did House Mormont when Lyanna was asking exactly who these people before her were.  Actually why is no one asking why Jon Snow ran away from the Night's Watch?  I know he can claim the Night Watch killed him and he magically arose from the dead.  At which point I'd expect most of the people he's visiting to break into laughter assuming it was a legal fiction he made up to cover his desertion.

It does introduce the small matter of who actually rules the North.  Theoretically Rickon or Bran.  But in practice it will have to be Sansa or Jon.  Jon assumes he's the one in control and acts it.  I see a moment coming soon after Winterfall falls where Sansa will tell Jon that he's a bastard with no claim and that she alone rules Winterfell.  And if Jon (or those who support him) refuses to backdown her claim may be backed by Littlefinger's swords (against the Wildlings).  Which of course begs the question whether it was the other minor houses or Littlefingers that Sansa was writing to.

9) What is Ser Davos doing?  Doesn't he have a Lordship and lands on Dragonstone he theoretically protects?  I'm not positive on this but I think he still has a wife.  Perhaps even other family there.  He's also Hand of the King over Dragonstone which just lost their King.  Here's an idea for Davos.  Get Dragonstone to pledge fealty to the North since theoretically he should be there ruling it right about now!

10) The show will be lacking a certain something until Ser Pounce comes back.  And the High Sparrow does seem like a cat person.  Show the mother's mercy and make it so!

[SimoneS]

10 minutes ago, Taget said:

It does introduce the small matter of who actually rules the North.  Theoretically Rickon or Bran.  But in practice it will have to be Sansa or Jon.  Jon assumes he's the one in control and acts it.  I see a moment coming soon after Winterfall falls where Sansa will tell Jon that he's a bastard with no claim and that she alone rules Winterfell.  And if Jon (or those who support him) refuses to backdown her claim may be backed by Littlefinger's swords (against the Wildlings).  Which of course begs the question whether it was the other minor houses or Littlefingers that Sansa was writing to.

I cannot see this happening simply because Jon has no ambitions to rule the North or the Night's Watch or anything at all. He hasn't even shown any inclination to become legitimized and claim the Stark name. He is fighting this battle at Sansa's urging and to save Rickon. Jon's only certain intention is to fight the Night's King and the White Walkers with the Wildings when the Long Night comes. After the battle is fought and won, I expect that Jon will leave Sansa at Winterfell and head out with the Wildings.

Edited June 6, 2016 by SimoneS

[Popples]

8 minutes ago, Taget said:

Usually I consider timeline criticisms to be nitpicking.  I mean you have to get things moving a bit.  But given nobody but Dany has dragons can they at least make a pretense that things make sense.  Think I remember once hearing that Westeros is basically North and South America.  So I'll use that as a reference since that is as good as any since I assume Westeros is not an Island the size of say Sri Lanka.

Here's a pretty good map Westeros and Essos laid on top of a map of Europe for size comparison. The article and map don't give away any spoilers as far as I can tell, but it shows a few places that haven't been mentioned on the show, so slight spoiler warning just in case.

[dramachick]

6 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I am struck by the lack of outrage about Jaime who has become the worse character on the show. People go on and on about Daenerys and Sansa, yet Jaime who has reverted to the useless spineless creature who pushed Bran out that window garners little comment. Jaime has become figuratively and literally Cersei's lap dog. He runs around following her wrongheaded commands even though her bad judgment has brought their house to ruin. What is happening at Castley Rock? What about Jaime's oath to Cate? Blackfish was right not to be impressed. I hope that Brienne tells Jaime off although it likely won't make any difference.

Jaime is one of my least favorite characters. I don't care about him. At all.

[Taget]

1 hour ago, Popples said:

Here's a pretty good map Westeros and Essos laid on top of a map of Europe for size comparison. The article and map don't give away any spoilers as far as I can tell, but it shows a few places that haven't been mentioned on the show, so slight spoiler warning just in case.

Thanks.  That might make the distances more manageable.  I pictured Westeros being bigger.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Taget
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[Haiti D]

I got distracted for about half a minute, but what happened with Sansa's letter?

[kdm07]

- As others have said, Lyanna Mormont is great. Keep her around longer show, she's already shown more smarts than half the lords of Westeros.

- I hope Margaery knows what she's doing. We need more good, smart people in the future especially when it's time to rule the people. I will not be happy if Cersei's impulsive idiocy gets her killed.

- Jaime has never been a favourite of mine, ever since he pushed Bran out of that window. I still think losing a hand isn't punishment enough for him. I'd be okay with Lord Blackfish dishing out that punishment too.

- Robb Stark's stupidity still haunts his family. He, like his father before him, really didn't think some things through properly.

- Dany needs ships and Yara seems to be a-okay with giving her those ships. I'm all for the two of them teaming up.

Edited June 6, 2016 by kdm07

[RedHawk]

Why don't Jon and Sansa tell any of the Northern houses that they are not just going to Winterfell to take it back, they are going there to rescue Rickon Stark from sadistic Ramsey? I'm not wrong in thinking they know Ramsey has him am I?

 

Edited to add: Oh now I remember they received Ramsey's letter telling them he has Rickon. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by RedHawk

[kdm07]

2 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Why don't Jon and Sansa tell any if the Northern houses that they are not just going to Winterfell to take it back, they are going there to rescue Rickon Stark from sadistic Ramsey? I'm not wrong in thinking they know Ramsey has him am I?

They mentioned it to Lyanna Mormont but she wasn't interested in fighting another battle for the Starks.