S03.E19: Failed Experiments

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Coulson and his team race to combat Hive's control over the Inhumans, as their enemy's deadly plan for the human race is revealed.

Edited May 4, 2016 by ElectricBoogaloo
Fixed wonky quote tag

[AimingforYoko]

"Only billionaires can make an iron suit, only the military can make super soldiers. And that inevitably leads to wars of its own." Oh Hive, you're so cryptic. Why, whatever could you be talking about?

Mack is the most buff punching bag since Thomas Magnum.

[mac123x]

Lol, that was exactly what I was coming here to post!  I was wondering what kind of tie-in they'd have.  Apparently none.

 

Daisy still having Kree blood in her system after two years is rather stupid.  But overall, I liked the episode, especially with Lincoln's sacrifice for lurve being futile.

 

I really don't know why they thought shooting Hive would be effective.  Didn't Simmons mention that she'd already shot him?  Where were the flame throwers?  Insecticide sprayers?  Something more effective than bullets.

Edited May 4, 2016 by mac123x

[SnoGirl]

What is with Hive's/Brett's accent this week?? Ugh, it was taking me right out of the show. I think a stronger actor could have carried the Ward/TraitorWard/Hive gig, but I don't think Brett is carrying Hive well.

God I hope Shield takes him out next week. I cannot handle another season if Hiiiiiiiiiiiive.

[benteen]

Geez, I understand why the Avengers can't be called in but will they at least bring in Deathlok as back-up?

That being said, I really enjoyed this episode.  Really good action, Ward is good as Hive and I liked the Kree appearance though they look somewhat silly.  I think Lincoln is developing into a more interesting character.  Radcliffe was entertaining and so was the Aussie.

Edited May 4, 2016 by benteen

[TVSpectator]

On 5/4/2016 at 10:05 PM, mac123x said:

Lol, that was exactly what I was coming here to post!  I was wondering what kind of tie-in they'd have.  Apparently none.

 

Daisy still having Kree blood in her system after two years is rather stupid.  But overall, I liked the episode, especially with Lincoln's sacrifice for lurve being futile.

 

I really don't know why they thought shooting Hive would be effective.  Didn't Simmons mention that she'd already shot him?  Where were the flame throwers?  Insecticide sprayers?  Something more effective than bullets.

 

 

 

 

 

You know I was wondering does anyone ever watch any zombie movies in this universe? I mean, I assume they exist because Malick mentioned the movie, "Dawn of the Dead" but really doesn't anybody realized that head shots are what you need to defeat any undead (okay it didn't work for Fitz, but come on,  no one has even tried once since SquidWard came back). Although, that fight scene between SquidWard vs. Kree vs. May was totally cool (and the only thing that went through my mind, when the Kree showed up, was the SG-1 phrase, Jaffa Kree when I saw them) and hey we even got a few more details of who Hive was, before the Kree took him (he mentioned that he was just a hunter and that he remembered the Kree to be a bit taller. Which kind of implies that he was probably a kid, or teenager, when they took him). 

Edited May 6, 2016 by TVSpectator

[kitlee625]

19 minutes ago, mac123x said:

Daisy still having Kree blood in her system after two years is rather stupid.  But overall, I liked the episode, especially with Lincoln's sacrifice for lurve being futile.

 

I really don't know why they thought shooting Hive would be effective.  Didn't Simmons mention that she'd already shot him?  Where were the flame throwers?  Insecticide sprayers?  Something more effective than bullets.

 

I love that Lincoln's sacrifice for lurve was futile. It also means that the writers are going to have to come up with another MacGuffin if they want to wipe away Drath Daisy.

I wonder if Hive's body is a little less resistant to fire, given that Fitz managed to kill Will-Hive with that flare gun. They should have thought of that. Although maybe they didn't realize how impressive his regenerative powers are since Fitz did kill him before.

 

15 minutes ago, SnoGirl said:

What is with Hive's/Brett's accent this week?? Ugh, it was taking me right out of the show. I think a stronger actor could have carried the Ward/TraitorWard/Hive gig, but I don't think Brett is carrying Hive well.

God I hope Shield takes him out next week. I cannot handle another season if Hiiiiiiiiiiiive.

I am also getting sick of Hive-Ward's weird accent. I don't think that Brett carries him that well, and I was rooting for Hive to take over Radcliffe if only so we can get a new actor as Hive. I wouldn't mind Hive continuing on another season if they get a different actor. Though my true wish is for Drath Daisy to be next season's villain. I wasn't that into Daisy Johnson until she went over the dark side.

Edited May 4, 2016 by kitlee625

[TVSpectator]

15 minutes ago, kitlee625 said:

I love that Lincoln's sacrifice for lurve was futile. It also means that the writers are going to have to come up with another MacGuffin if they want to wipe away Drath Daisy.

I wonder if Hive's body is a little less resistant to fire, given that Fitz managed to kill Will-Hive with that flare gun. They should have thought of that. Although maybe they didn't realize how impressive his regenerative powers are since Fitz did kill him before.

I am also getting sick of Hive-Ward's weird accent. I don't think that Brett carries him that well, and I was rooting for Hive to take over Radcliffe if only so we can get a new actor as Hive. I wouldn't mind Hive continuing on another season if they get a different actor. Though my true wish is for Drath Daisy to be next season's villain. I wasn't that into Daisy Johnson until she went over the dark side.

 

You know maybe Fitz just got lucky, since it was mentioned that IT was on the brink of death  before Fitz and Coulson came over to that planet? Since SquidWard got a chance to heal (and I am guessing that he is fully healed and at maxed strength) killing him would be even harder now than it was earlier.

 

As with the accent, I have been barely noticing it while I am watching the show but now I kind of see where you are coming from. Maybe he is just channeling a dead Brit that he took over, in the past because he was really smart or TPTB just feel that a powerful villain should have a British accent (and like a typical movie stereotype, all villains are British!). 

[KirkB]

So, Hive sent a signal to the specific same two Kree who made him thousands of years ago, because even though he has been on another planet all this time he somehow knew they were sleeping within calling distance just waiting for their phone to ring? And damn they got there fast. Though that was a pretty rough impact. Not so much landing as crash. I wonder if they would be able to take off again. You know, if they weren't dead already.

Mack, Mack, Mack. You can't talk your way out of a Hive mind. Daisy is just too entranced by.....zzzzzzz...sorry. Dozed off for a second there. Man, I never thought Dalton was too expressive before, but at least back then it was because Ward was hiding who he really was. Once he turned bad he was a nit more fun to watch. Now, it's like he's sleep walking. Which I guess it supposed to make him seem alien. It just makes him dull.

It was also odd to hear Coulson talking about not letting their emotions get the better of them when it comes to Daisy, even though that is literally what he has been doing the whole time. Not that hypocrisy is a new thing for him. Man, if Gregg wasn't so much fun to watch Coulson would probably be thoroughly unlikable. 

Edited May 4, 2016 by KirkB

[kitlee625]

Just now, KirkB said:

It was also odd to hear Coulson talking about not letting their emotions get the better of them when it comes to Daisy, even though that is literally what he has been doing the whole time. Not that hypocrisy is a new thing for him. Man, if Gregg wasn't so much fun to watch, the big nerd, Coulson would probably be thoroughly unlikable. 

It was pretty ironic, but I hope that it's a sign that he's learned his lesson after how over the top he was last episode.

[mac123x]

Just out of curiousity, what's the origin of "Drath Daisy"?  Sort-of "Darth" but less threatening and sillier?

[kitlee625]

2 minutes ago, mac123x said:

Just out of curiousity, what's the origin of "Drath Daisy"?  Sort-of "Darth" but less threatening and sillier?

Someone here was calling her that. Said that it was going around Reddit. I assume that it's a sillier version of Darth, but not totally sure.

[Senna]

Oh, good, I'm not the only one who is bothered by SquidWard's accent.

It was painful to see Mack let Daisy use him as a punching bag.

[Sandman]

1 hour ago, kitlee625 said:

Though my true wish is for Drath Daisy to be next season's villain. I wasn't that into Daisy Johnson until she went over the dark side.

I haven't really minded Daisy (in spite of the show's insistence on her infinite snowflake potential) that much. At least May has started calling Coulson on his crap where Daisy's concerned. I liked Dark Ward, I think, but Hive bores me. The show's pace is off again, and I'm over this storyline, especially the "let's turn everyone into Inhumans, yay!" twist. Yeah -- no. That's not a plan.

Drath Daisy feels like I've wasted time ever caring about this character in the first place. She's so unbearably smug now that DeadWard's all up in her business. But it occurred to me watching Daisy betray everyone she's ever claimed to care about, and her principles, and her own history with Ward, that Daisy's storyline could actually be a fairly workable metaphor for addiction: how she doesn't feel empty anymore, and how being part of Hive is "a real connection" that she wanted to share with Mack. (Isn't that what addicts say when they want their friends to get high with them?) I noticed that only when Mack said she was sick did Daisy get really, violently angry.

God knows it's not the subtlest comparison, but it's less creaky than some addiction metaphors Mutant Enemy's tried to put over in the past. Ahem.

[tankgirl73]

1 hour ago, TVSpectator said:

 

 hey we even got a few more details of who Hive was, before the Kree took him (he mentioned that he was just a hunter and that he remembered the Kree to be a bit taller. Which kind of implies that he was probably a kid, or teenager, when they took him). 

We saw exactly who we was when they took him, at the beginning of the episode. He was young but looked to be an adult, certainly no kid.

What is weird about Ward's accent? Certainly doesn't sound British. He just sounds to me like he's speaking very deliberately and with clear diction, like he's very calm and in control and also eeeevil. But it doesn't sound like an "accent" at all.

Edited May 4, 2016 by tankgirl73

[Lantern7]

I dunno which show lays on the rated-PG misery porn harder . . . AoS or The Flash. Hard to watch those back-to-back.

PreHive looked nice. Shame the Kree had to fuck him up on a genetic level. At least Hive has more motivation than Zoom . . . if everybody is Inhuman, he can control the world.

I think the misery porn is harder to watch here. Watching Lincoln endanger himself and others trying to get his ass into the game is brutal. If Lincoln gets killed in the next few episodes, would that be a huge loss?

I did like Hydra Lackey May. I hope she doesn't die. Anytime you think she's contributed everything she's got, she brings something new.

[Sandman]

Lincoln's gotta be the one who dies, right? That's where this is all tending, I'd be willing to bet. (I have no spoilers on this at all.)

[AlliMo]

I'm not hearing any acent with Ward. If anything, a deliberate lack of accent/inflection. I'm actually enjoying his work; he's exuding this very reptilian quality in his mannerisms that I find very effectively disturbing.

Edited May 4, 2016 by AlliMo

[justjoan]

Hey, Agent Vasquez of the DEO works for SHIELD now. Weird little niche Briana Venskus is carving out here. She should go work for ARGUS next. I am kind of surprised they introduced a whole team of red shirts and didn't actually kill any of them. But good surprised! Don't waste the extras; you might need them. I've figured Agent Anderson (Doug? I think?) was a goner ever since he got a couple of lines and a clear view of his face. Doom clock's ticking, Anderson.

The verbal fight between Daisy and Mack made me so unhappy. The physical one wasn't great, and I did actually have a moment of wondering if they'd used the finale countdown to distract us from an earlier death, but the argument actually seemed more brutal. Daisy's a mean drunk, and she knows just where to hit. Poor Mack. Assuming he makes it, he has more than earned another vacation (without racist militia douchecanoes this time). May, too, though her Hydra persona was great fun. James is livelier than he is smart.

I'm somewhat dubious that Ward's dead body could defeat a mature, healthy, fully-trained Kree warrior. I suppose the show handwaves it away with "super-healing!", and I won't fuss about it, but seriously, that super-healing must have been going great guns. Okay, he doesn't feel pain anymore, but he's still both breakable and squishable, and he wasn't even showing any wounds. What kind of resources would that burn? His energy intake must be incredible.

Speaking of the Kree... I am so susceptible to these darned comic book shows. Every time I start to think, "okay, but wait, this, that and the other thing are really bothering me. Maybe too much," the shows say, "we understand, we do, but look, we have Martian Manhunter/ a giant atomic glow-bot/ bright blue Kree warriors with bloody battle-axes!" And my inner ten-year-old says, "yay!" and I keep watching. Ten-year-old me could not have predicted that even the scifi branch of primetime network TV would look like this someday. Wild times we live in!

Edited May 7, 2016 by justjoan

[Jediknight]

22 minutes ago, justjoan said:

The verbal fight between Daisy and Mack made me so unhappy. The physical one wasn't great, and I did actually have a moment of wondering if they'd used the finale countdown to distract us from an earlier death, but the argument actually seemed more brutal. Daisy's a mean drunk, and she knows just where to hit. Poor Mack. Assuming he makes it, he has more than earned another vacation (without racist militia douchecanoes this time). May, too, though her Hydra persona was great fun. James is livelier than he is smart.

In addition Fitz and Simmons should build him an awesome shotgun-axe, and Coulson should let him drive Lola for a block.

I'm just waiting for Andrew to come back, and we find out that Lash is the only one that can kill Hive.

[placate]

Lincoln is going to die.  I apologize if this actually happens cause I'm kinda drunk and I think this will happen.  Poor Daisy/Skye can't get a proper love interest.  Praise to ABC finally giving the primaries a freaking banner instead of boring minutes of my local news telling me about things I can't vote for because I'm independent :(

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Oh, Lincoln, you big dumb dummy. Will Evil Daisy even give you a second thought if you die?

Ha, I was cracking up when May told Lincoln that they ALL care about Daisy and he tried to get all woobie about how he cares about her more because of his feelings and his penis and then May told him that yes, it was different because the people in SHIELD had known Daisy a lot longer. More of that, please! I mean, seriously, great that he loves her and he's willing to sacrifice himself to save her but whatever, dude. Just because you're boning her doesn't mean that you care about her more than people who have known her for years.

Can we keep James around a little longer? We need someone to lighten the mood now that Hunter is gone and his "100% awesome, you bet!" comment was hilarious, as was all of his over the top seduction attempts with May. I guess maybe I can chalk it up to the fact that he's been living alone in the middle of nowhere for so long that he actually thought any of that garbage would actually work.

[mrspidey]

3 hours ago, justjoan said:

Hey, Agent Vasquez of the DEO works for SHIELD now. Weird little niche Briana Venskus is carving out here. She should got work for ARGUS next. I am kind of surprised they introduced a whole team of red shirts and didn't actually kill any of them.

I think Venskus' character getting speaking role has just solved the riddle who will be dead in space by the end of the season. 

[tankgirl73]

42 minutes ago, mrspidey said:

I think Venskus' character getting speaking role has just solved the riddle who will be dead in space by the end of the season. 

But there was the cross necklace which we know belongs to Yoyo. Though of course that could be a red herring -- we're all expecting it to be Yoyo, while it could just be that Yoyo was there but isn't the dead one.

Lash's purpose totally makes sense now. He wanted to kill Inhumans -- so that Hive wouldn't have an army when he got back. I absolutely agree with the theory that he's the only thing that can kill Hive. Note the 'rip its heart out' parallel in this episode, too... that's probably the only way to kill Hive, rip the heart out of the body, and whatever zap thing that Lash does kills the parasites or whatever it is that Hive uses to transfer itself to another host whenever one dies. Because that's something our Shield folks seem to have forgotten -- they can't just kill HiveWard. Even if they'd succeeded in killing Ward's body, Hive would have just jumped into someone else.

Hm, question -- does Hive have to jump into a *dead* body? Or can he go into a living body as well? I know that on the blue planet, the 'sacrifice' peoplewere sent to be new hosts or energy sources for Hive, but if he was using them for hosts did he kill them first? I don't *think* so... not unless he had to... because then he needed more energy to reanimate the corpse. So he'd prefer a body as undamaged as possible so that it would last longer. Or did he need the brain to be 'dead' before he'd be able to take it over? I can't recall if this has been made clear on the show or not.

[Tiger]

i thought the Peggy/Jarvis fight was the most brutal thing I had ever seen on tv, and then the Mack/Daisy fight happened.  Henry Simmons & Chloe Bennett did an amazing job, but both the verbal and physical fights hurt to watch.

I think whoever dies, they are setting up Daisy to be next season's big bad.  She is now this show's Magneto to Coulson's Professor X.  

[Raja]

8 hours ago, KirkB said:

So, Hive sent a signal to the specific same two Kree who made him thousands of years ago, because even though he has been on another planet all this time he somehow knew they were sleeping within calling distance just waiting for their phone to ring? And damn they got there fast. Though that was a pretty rough impact. Not so much landing as crash. I wonder if they would be able to take off again. You know, if they weren't dead already.

 

I hate when alien people are not allowed to be people, This pair are what condemned convicts sent to orbit earth for eternity waiting for a call up? And then this starfaring civilization arms them with battle axes. They must have a prime directive and are scared of what would happen should they leave a Kree history book or communicator behind

7 hours ago, tankgirl73 said:

We saw exactly who we was when they took him, at the beginning of the episode. He was young but looked to be an adult, certainly no kid.

What is weird about Ward's accent? Certainly doesn't sound British. He just sounds to me like he's speaking very deliberately and with clear diction, like he's very calm and in control and also eeeevil. But it doesn't sound like an "accent" at all.

7 hours ago, tankgirl73 said:

 

No kid, nearly a grown man but except for NBA players or NFL quarterbacks I would consider Ward  a very tall person even after accounting for a general growth in humanity over the centuries.

8 hours ago, KirkB said:

 

[Sandman]

5 hours ago, justjoan said:

Daisy's a mean drunk, and she knows just where to hit. Poor Mack. 

Right? So upsetting.

For whatever it's worth, I'm not hearing an accent from SquidWard, either.

[kitlee625]

I wonder if the experiment on Lincoln is going to work, but not as they would have hoped. Like, maybe it won't kill Hive-Ward or free Daisy, but will make Lincoln immune to Hive swaying him?

[shrewd.buddha]

This show seems to have some good ideas, but the execution is so awkward. For example :

• We have seen Daisy-Skye shake a mountain and cause an avalanche from miles away - - but for some reason she needs to engage in hand-to-hand combat to deal with Kree aliens and beating up average human Mack? (Oh, it's comics .. okay.)
• What's the deal with setting up your highly advanced medical lab in some garage facility with a pull-down door directly exposing you to the outside?!? (Oh, so Mack could have a dramatic entrance ... okay). 

What's up with the cuts on Daisy's face? Why haven't they started to heal? It is supposed to remind us that she is now Dark Daisy? 

Someone on the writing staff also needs to work on the blah-blah-blah exposition dialogue that has to happen between the action scenes - - because it is really coming off - to me,  anyway - as "yadda yadda yadda let's turn humans into InHumans", "yadda yadda yadda we may have a cure for InHumans", "yadda yadda yadda...".

I was really hoping that this was the season finale, but there's more. Guess it makes sense they would want to have more episodes after the new Captain America movie comes out ... hoping for some spillover of Marvel fan excitement. 

Edited May 4, 2016 by shrewd.buddha

[mac123x]

1 hour ago, Tiger said:

I think whoever dies, they are setting up Daisy to be next season's big bad.  She is now this show's Magneto to Coulson's Professor X.  

I think I'd like to see that.  It would make for an interesting story about competing philosophies instead of the standard SHIELD = good because Villain (HYDRA, Afterlife, Hive) = bad.

[Senna]

Maybe "accent" is not the right term.  But he's definitely doing something different with his voice, and it sounded nasally to me last night.  Whatever you want to call it, I find it distracting.

[Primetimer]

Sadly, nobody invites the Kree to just hang out and have a beer. They seem like they could stand to relax a little.

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[Enigma X]

29 minutes ago, Senna said:

Maybe "accent" is not the right term.  But he's definitely doing something different with his voice, and it sounded nasally to me last night.  Whatever you want to call it, I find it distracting.

I think Dalton is over acting a role where he was most likely told that the character should be stoic. Since the actor is stiff, imo, the creative team probably thought he could do this. They were wrong.

[Humbugged]

8 hours ago, justjoan said:

Hey, Agent Vasquez of the DEO works for SHIELD now. Weird little niche Briana Venskus is carving out here. She should got work for ARGUS next. I am kind of surprised they introduced a whole team of red shirts and didn't actually kill any of them. But good surprised! Don't waste the extras; you might need them. I've figured Agent Anderson (Doug? I think?) was a goner ever since he got a couple of lines and a clear view of his face. Doom clock's ticking, Anderson.

 

And Vasquez's (or Piper as her name was listed) partner was Agent Billy Riggins who in 2.17 was the guy who first calls May, The Cavalry

[blackwing]

I agree that HiveWard doesn't have an accent to me.  I think he just sounds aristocratic, like he is an all powerful being that is so above the puny humans on this planet.  Which he pretty much is.  I think it's appropriate.

I am wondering if someone is really going to die, or if it's going to be one of those "Next issue:  the LAST appearance of the Invisible Girl" type things.  Maybe Daisy "dies" to the team because they realise she is gone and they will never get her back.

If there is a death, I really hope it isn't Lincoln.  He's the only superpowered agent on SHIELD right now.  The character is becoming a lot more interesting and I like Luke Mitchell in this role.

Is Redheaded Multiple Girl dead?  I remember in a previous season there were at least 4 or 5 of her.  Two of them died a few episodes ago.  I guess they don't come back?  I remember Lincoln saying that she feels every death.  But can't she just regenerate more of herself?  We only saw two of them in this episode, and I believe the Kree guy killed the host body, so does that mean that she is dead dead?

[Watcher0363]

Well isn't Daisy the "all in", "ride and die", inhuman. Was it just me that thought Daisy's "drain me", was a sexual metaphor for bang me anyway which way you like. For I am here to service you big boy or maybe that should read daddy. Daisy yet another young pretty talented woman with the ultimate weakness of daddy issues.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Watcher0363

[kitlee625]

8 minutes ago, blackwing said:

Is Redheaded Multiple Girl dead?  I remember in a previous season there were at least 4 or 5 of her.  Two of them died a few episodes ago.  I guess they don't come back?  I remember Lincoln saying that she feels every death.  But can't she just regenerate more of herself?  We only saw two of them in this episode, and I believe the Kree guy killed the host body, so does that mean that she is dead dead?

I don't think we got definite confirmation, but in past battles, she's made sure to keep the original her safe and away from fighting (like when she's fighting on the ship at the end of S2), presumably because killing the original her is permanent. My understanding of her powers is not that she regenerates herself, butthat she creates projections of herself that are dependent on and linked to the original her.

[Aeryn13]

I gotta say I`m loving the Hive storyline and Brett`s portrayal of the character. Totally works for me. I realize we will lose the Hive character sooner or later which bums me out. 

Season 1!Ward, I found quite bland and it made me think the actor couldn`t bring it. But somehow Lincoln gets saddled with another case of blandness on this show and I know Luke Mitchell can be fun and charismatic. I wish they`d find their groove with the character. They are trying some stuff but it`s not hitting the right notes for me. I had the same problem with Season1!Fitz and pre-powers-Daisy and they fixed those characters there is a bit of hope.

[Traveller519]

Australian Gambit revealing everything to May was a good exercise in exposition for our good guys. Rather than have the big bad reveal his master plan, and underling gets duped into spilling the beans.

I really like that Daisy's "brainwashing" is her exercise what she believes to be enlightenment and free will. She has her previous memories, but is more consumed by her vision. It isn't Loki's scepter type mind control. The discussion between her and Mac was very real, and you understood that she had rationalized her position.

The host body that Fitz killed was dying on a planet without more resources. The Ward version of Hive appears to be in peak condition finally and much more difficult to kill. Lash, on this whole, "filling a need," idea of balance will most likely be the one to kill Hive.

[DeLurker]

They showed the Kree axe a couple of times.  I so want that to become part of shotgun-axe.

I like the doctor.  There was just a hint of sass in his tete-a-tete with Hive before Hive gave him a good throttling.

[FineWashables]

So the primitive man gets a transfusion of Kree blood, and this gives him superpowers.  Okay.  Then how come the Krees clearly do not have superpowers of their own?  They were destroyed so easily by the Inhumans; the Krees had no defense against their attackers. How do you pass on genetic material that you don't possess yourself?  This makes no sense whatsoever to me.

We saw Ward in an earlier episode reveal his true face to his followers; hence SquidWard.  Where does a squid face fit into the origin story we saw last night?  At no point did anybody look like a squid. 

I think they're just making this up as they go along.

[kitlee625]

33 minutes ago, DeLurker said:

I like the doctor.  There was just a hint of sass in his tete-a-tete with Hive before Hive gave him a good throttling.

Does anyone else think that the doctor may have something up his sleeve? There was something about the way he tried to hurry Daisy out of the lab after the blood was being collected, that made me think that he's got his own agenda. Perhaps he wants to give himself powers first. Also, that jar looked pretty full when Mack used the splinter bomb on the Kree. Idk why the splinter bomb would make only some of it disappear, so perhaps he's hiding some of it for himself.

[Tiger]

i believe they only showed original body Hive in the cocoon; they never showed what he looked like after the transformation.

I'm hoping they at least show it once in the finale. But I'm more interested in finding out what happened on that other planet and how the whole cult of Hydra developed around getting it back to Earth.

ETA: I was honestly expecting the last few episodes to take place on that other planet to get the action away from/off Earth to avoid having to deal immediatly with the fall-out of Civil War.

Edited May 4, 2016 by Tiger

[VCRTracking]

I'm glad Mack's okay but I was loving super zealous Daisy. She wasn't acting like she was mind controlled, she was still her, but now that she's (forcibly)drunk the Kool Aid, she's fanatical and dangerous. She reminded me of her mother in that way.

[Enigma X]

I am confused on why Hive pre-inhuman was primitive and current Hive is supposedly aristocratic. I am sure, if pressed, that production will say it is because of his hosts. I honestly think they really did not think about it.

And the only people I am willing to lose from the team in a true death way are May and Daisy. It better not be anyone else. I would not mind seeing one of them being revealed to be inhuman though.

[romantic idiot]

I swear, every year around this time they tease me with a possible Daisy death then they take it away. 

16 hours ago, Sandman said:

I haven't really minded Daisy (in spite of the show's insistence on her infinite snowflake potential) that much. At least May has started calling Coulson on his crap where Daisy's concerned. I liked Dark Ward, I think, but Hive bores me. The show's pace is off again, and I'm over this storyline, especially the "let's turn everyone into Inhumans, yay!" twist. Yeah -- no. That's not a plan.

Drath Daisy feels like I've wasted time ever caring about this character in the first place. She's so unbearably smug now that DeadWard's all up in her business. But it occurred to me watching Daisy betray everyone she's ever claimed to care about, and her principles, and her own history with Ward, that Daisy's storyline could actually be a fairly workable metaphor for addiction: how she doesn't feel empty anymore, and how being part of Hive is "a real connection" that she wanted to share with Mack. (Isn't that what addicts say when they want their friends to get high with them?) I noticed that only when Mack said she was sick did Daisy get really, violently angry.

God knows it's not the subtlest comparison, but it's less creaky than some addiction metaphors Mutant Enemy's tried to put over in the past. Ahem.

Well, I will say in both cases it is not a metaphor - they come out and say its addiction, so it's text, not subtext :o)

[KirkB]

2 hours ago, FineWashables said:

So the primitive man gets a transfusion of Kree blood, and this gives him superpowers.  Okay.  Then how come the Krees clearly do not have superpowers of their own?  They were destroyed so easily by the Inhumans; the Krees had no defense against their attackers. How do you pass on genetic material that you don't possess yourself?  This makes no sense whatsoever to me.

We saw Ward in an earlier episode reveal his true face to his followers; hence SquidWard.  Where does a squid face fit into the origin story we saw last night?  At no point did anybody look like a squid. 

I think they're just making this up as they go along.

The show hasn't been entirely clear on this but I'll give it a shot.

First of all the Kree DO have powers of their own. They are far stronger and more resilient than humans. There are other Kree, from the comics at least, who're even more powerful than that. But in answer to your larger question, I think the Kree needed soldiers for their war with...whoever it is they were or are fighting and they decided to try using humans as shock troops. Their experiments created the Inhumans. But in the case of Hive it worked better than they anticipated, it apparently made him too strong to stop so they exiled him instead. It's pretty common in comics for experiments to do things the experimenters were not expecting. I'm guessing that's why they abandoned Earth and the Inhumans in the first place. More trouble than it's worth.

As for Hive's squid face, I'm guessing whatever they pumped into the poor primitive guy mutated him into the squid form. What I'm not at all clear about though is this thing seems to be in at least it's third body. The primitive guy, Will and now Ward, not to mention whichever of the unfortunates who happened to take a trip to the planet thanks to Hydra. So how would the squid form be it's real form when it's not the original? Does it mutate it's new host body to look more like it's original, mutated body?

And I'm pretty sure they ARE making it up as they go along, otherwise it might (well, could) make sense.

[HawaiiTVGuy]

1 hour ago, Enigma X said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Tiger said:

i believe they only showed original body Hive in the cocoon; they never showed what he looked like after the transformation.

I'm hoping they at least show it once in the finale. But I'm more interested in finding out what happened on that other planet and how the whole cult of Hydra developed around getting it back to Earth.

ETA: I was honestly expecting the last few episodes to take place on that other planet to get the action away from/off Earth to avoid having to deal immediatly with the fall-out of Civil War.

 

1 hour ago, Enigma X said:

I am confused on why Hive pre-inhuman was primitive and current Hive is supposedly aristocratic. I am sure, if pressed, that production will say it is because of his hosts. I honestly think they really did not think about it.

And the only people I am willing to lose from the team in a true death way are May and Daisy. It better not be anyone else. I would not mind seeing one of them being revealed to be inhuman though.

I am confused to as to what HIVE actually became and looked like after he was turned into an Inhuman.  I guess in his reveal to Hydra, he somehow now looks more like a squid?  But when Fitz burned up Will, it showed some sort of slug like creature slithering out of the carcass right?  Of course it was hand-waved away as to how exactly the slug like creature was able to slither THAT fast to where Ward's body was left by Coulson (IIRC it was a good 200 meters away at least) and reanimate Ward fast enough to follow Fitz and Coulson through the portal before it closed?

And so Afterlife kept the Kree artifact because it was the emergency call button if/when Hive returned, yet the Kree Reapers were not really discriminating as to which Inhumans to kill, they just wanted to keep killing them.  And so these guys were Reapers, supposedly only around for hunting and war, so why exactly were they the ones in charge of doing the experiments?

Oh and everyone seems to have forgotten, Lash is somewhere right?  Like he is the ultimate Inhuman killing machine, why not send him in against Hive and let him burn a hole in Hive/Ward's chest.

[SocaShoe]

I'm probably giving the writers too much credit for future plot twists, but they're really going to have to come up with one heck of a cure if Drath Daisy is not only affected by parasites but also addicted to what those parasites do for her. Even if they find a way to stop the infection, the need for the dopamine rush will still be there and could actually cause her to seek out other ways of achieving the high. And if they're taking it away suddenly will she go in to withdrawal? 

But they will probably not even consider those questions because that would involve doing research...

What I am not getting strongly is where Daisy really stands. To me, I watch her and she's still the angry kid yelling at all the adults who just don't get her. She's just really, really high now and having episodes of magical thinking where she solves all the world's problems. But now, no one can stop her but that was really sorta true before. Hive just helps with the inhibition and the hesitiation. She needs a timeout, and will likely get a short one right before the big welcome home party thrown in her honor after this is all over. 

I think Coulson's sudden about face is weird, though welcome -- someone has to be the voice of reason. It's about time he stepped up to that role where Daisy is concerned. I feel very bad for May and Mack. They're both really struggling. I also miss Bobbi and Hunter. Hellfire is interesting but I'm just hesitant to spend any time on  a character who's story has already been half told in the character of Lincoln. Who wants to bet Hellfire makes it and becomes Daisy's season 4 boyfriend?

[kitlee625]

12 minutes ago, SocaShoe said:

I'm probably giving the writers too much credit for future plot twists, but they're really going to have to come up with one heck of a cure if Drath Daisy is not only affected by parasites but also addicted to what those parasites do for her. Even if they find a way to stop the infection, the need for the dopamine rush will still be there and could actually cause her to seek out other ways of achieving the high. And if they're taking it away suddenly will she go in to withdrawal? 

But they will probably not even consider those questions because that would involve doing research...

What I am not getting strongly is where Daisy really stands. To me, I watch her and she's still the angry kid yelling at all the adults who just don't get her. She's just really, really high now and having episodes of magical thinking where she solves all the world's problems. But now, no one can stop her but that was really sorta true before. Hive just helps with the inhibition and the hesitiation. She needs a timeout, and will likely get a short one right before the big welcome home party thrown in her honor after this is all over. 

I think Coulson's sudden about face is weird, though welcome -- someone has to be the voice of reason. It's about time he stepped up to that role where Daisy is concerned. I feel very bad for May and Mack. They're both really struggling. I also miss Bobbi and Hunter. Hellfire is interesting but I'm just hesitant to spend any time on  a character who's story has already been half told in the character of Lincoln. Who wants to bet Hellfire makes it and becomes Daisy's season 4 boyfriend?

 

Yeah the fake medicine on this show is not very good. I am not looking forward to whatever handwavey thing they do to de-Hive Daisy, but you're right that she would go into withdrawal without the dopamine rush of the parasites. Now that would be interesting to see.

 

Daisy definitely seems like an angry teenager. She's mad at her foster dad (Coulson/SHIELD) and her foster brother (Mack) for getting in her way. And for not letting her live with murder parents for some reason. She is so quick to blame SHIELD for turning her into a soldier, but she forgets that she chose to join SHIELD and to become a field agent.

 

And with that little banter between Daisy and Hellfire in the bar, I am really betting that Hellfire is the new boyfriend. They seem to be investing too much into this new guy for him to wind up being a random redshirt.

Edited May 4, 2016 by kitlee625