S06.E13: Spinning A Web

[ElDosEquis]

Didn't Yolanda file for divorce?

Yes, it is a tour de force for Yolanda to make David appear to be the good one,yet she managed it!

The guy is a pompous douchebag yet I strongly feel sorry for him.

At least with Linda, they had a common interest in music.

What on earth did he find in yoyo?

What all us men look for, someone with an accent that will treat is like kings, then star in an episode of "SNAPPED".

 

She HAD to make DF look good, That is where the money will come from. He's more apt to agree to a GTFOOH settlement IF she doesn't drag him over the coals? Instead of a contentious divorce, she will walk about with a good chunk of change and a nondisclosure settlement.

 

That is my prediction.

[zoeysmom]

^^

Then keep it on the low.

There was no need to announce the $ amount.

Tacky, tacky, tacky...

Why?  The idea is to get others to match their donations.  I have worked far too long with non-profits to kick donors.  There is nothing tacky about announcing the amount of money raised or sought to be raised.  Nor is there anything wrong with not mentioning it.  It is very common to have different levels of givers.  Some are in the $100.00 circle and some are in the $10,000.00 circle.  It is usually in the program of events.  I don't see it as being cheap as I often times see the same names over and over be it for the local children's hospital or the symphony. 

 

We saw Kyle and Mauricio give $100,000.00 to the LA Children's hospital and have an event to support the charity.  Their names are in a plaque and they are in good company. 

 

The entire cast was recently given a slap by Yolanda because she was the only one not doing the show to line her pockets.  LVP, in particular, listed all the various charities she donated time, money and food to, Kyle followed suit with her charities.  So these ladies are damned if they speak of what they donate and damned if they don't. 

[Vicky8675309]

Why?  The idea is to get others to match their donations.  I have worked far too long with non-profits to kick donors.  There is nothing tacky about announcing the amount of money raised or sought to be raised.  Nor is there anything wrong with not mentioning it.  It is very common to have different levels of givers.  Some are in the $100.00 circle and some are in the $10,000.00 circle.  It is usually in the program of events.  I don't see it as being cheap as I often times see the same names over and over be it for the local children's hospital or the symphony. 

 

We saw Kyle and Mauricio give $100,000.00 to the LA Children's hospital and have an event to support the charity.  Their names are in a plaque and they are in good company. 

 

The entire cast was recently given a slap by Yolanda because she was the only one not doing the show to line her pockets.  LVP, in particular, listed all the various charities she donated time, money and food to, Kyle followed suit with her charities.  So these ladies are damned if they speak of what they donate and damned if they don't. 

 

Yo lines her pockets with her money earned by her ex-husband (soon to be ex-husbands). What have we seen HER give to charity? We have seen David's charity but what of Yo's "charity"?

[bichonblitz]

What all us men look for, someone with an accent that will treat is like kings, then star in an episode of "SNAPPED".

 

I'm dying. Best line ever!!

[grisgris]

Apparently Yolanda wasn't too ill to attend "Lip Sync Battle" the other night when Gigi was a contestant. Gigi herself said, "My parents are here," during the rehearsals and even showed David up on stage. I guess I'm assuming she also meant that Yolanda was there (I can't imagine who'd she'd be referring to otherwise, her bio-dad?) David was the only parental unit we saw.

 

Hey, nice cross promotion for "Botched," with the shout-out to Dr. Terry Dubrow. But I forgot which HW went to him for work. Kathryn?

[LIMOM]

Why? The idea is to get others to match their donations. I have worked far too long with non-profits to kick donors. There is nothing tacky about announcing the amount of money raised or sought to be raised. Nor is there anything wrong with not mentioning it. It is very common to have different levels of givers. Some are in the $100.00 circle and some are in the $10,000.00 circle. It is usually in the program of events. I don't see it as being cheap as I often times see the same names over and over be it for the local children's hospital or the symphony.

We saw Kyle and Mauricio give $100,000.00 to the LA Children's hospital and have an event to support the charity. Their names are in a plaque and they are in good company.

The entire cast was recently given a slap by Yolanda because she was the only one not doing the show to line her pockets. LVP, in particular, listed all the various charities she donated time, money and food to, Kyle followed suit with her charities. So these ladies are damned if they speak of what they donate and damned if they don't.

Humble bragging is well and alive, lol Edited February 27, 2016 by LIMOM

[StatisticalOutlier]

It is very common to have different levels of givers.  Some are in the $100.00 circle and some are in the $10,000.00 circle.  It is usually in the program of events.

 

Well, that's a thought.  Maybe for charities that the various RHoBH support, the circles of giving could be named Birkin, Chanel, Louis Vuitton. 

 

 

 

I have worked far too long with non-profits to kick donors. 

 

The reason nonprofits don't kick donors is that they want money from them.  Fortunately, the contributors to this forum aren't similarly fettered.

 

We saw Kyle and Mauricio give $100,000.00 to the LA Children's hospital and have an event to support the charity.  Their names are in a plaque and they are in good company.

 

Which makes the $5,000 spinning class donation look kind of chintzy, and supports why I think they need a better PR person.

 

So these ladies are damned if they speak of what they donate and damned if they don't.

 

Couldn't agree more, and I think that applies to all rich and/or famous people.  I've always wondered what would happen if all charitable giving were anonymous.

[zoeysmom]

Well, that's a thought.  Maybe for charities that the various RHoBH support, the circles of giving could be named Birkin, Chanel, Louis Vuitton. 

 

 

 

 

The reason nonprofits don't kick donors is that they want money from them.  Fortunately, the contributors to this forum aren't similarly fettered.

 

 

Which makes the $5,000 spinning class donation look kind of chintzy, and supports why I think they need a better PR person.

 

 

Couldn't agree more, and I think that applies to all rich and/or famous people.  I've always wondered what would happen if all charitable giving were anonymous.

If people think it is chintzy all they need do is write a check.  I doubt any serious fund raiser are giving the event or the money raised the side eye.  Because someone gives a certain amount to one charity doesn't make them cheap for not giving the same amount to another charity.  They gave and that is what is important.  The last couple of years LVP gathered donations of recycled formal wear.  it may not have a huge dollar value but it takes time and energy.

 

The event is one of many associated with The Agency and the charity.  There was also one at a yoga studio and a mission and various other places.  The true connection with the charity are the Brits from Million Dollar Listing LA.  Mauricio is not the go to person for The Agency with this charity.  In addition to cash, he and sometimes Kyle go out and work on homes for Habitat for Humanity.  I believe The Agency has been responsible for the building-meaning their crew and dollars of at least two homes for families.  I don't find that chintzy at all.  I think raising at least $10,000.00 with a one hour event that doesn't involve food, drink, paid entertainment or venue renting is a pretty good day.

 

If all charity were anonymous, interesting thought.  It would have had Mr. Charity, David Foster home in Malibu a lot more. 

[princelina]

The thing to remember about charities is that most people have a thing that they really feel for, where most of their dollars go, and then they give smaller amounts when attending events, supporting friends' charities, etc.  I am into Christian and children's charities; my friend's things are animals and leukemia.  So we support each other when we do events, but give a lot more to the ones we have a passion for.

 

The thing that bugs me about events like the spinning is - back in the day they used to be getting pledges to ride or run so many miles, or so many minutes, etc. so the fun of the event was seeing how much you could raise by your efforts.  Now that they are all just "write a check," I'm with Vanderpump - here's my $$ and I'll be in the spa :)

[renatae]

Sounds like Yolanda maybe removing stuff from her social media about THE VAULT but I think this site/article captured most of it:

http://www.inquisitr.com/2823451/real-housewives-star-yolanda-foster-explains-that-the-vault-wasnt-a-threat/

 

It sounds like a threat and was delivered like a threat

 

Yup.

 

Threatening tone of voice.  Check.

Narrowed eyes and expression reading, "Don't mess with me, beyotch!"  Check.

 

That's some history that's going to be difficult to sell as "a safe and vulnerable space in our hearts – where we share a certain integrity and keep our friends wellbeing as our first priority."

 

[Vicky8675309]

Yup.

 

Threatening tone of voice.  Check.

Narrowed eyes and expression reading, "Don't mess with me, beyotch!"  Check.

 

That's some history that's going to be difficult to sell as "a safe and vulnerable space in our hearts – where we share a certain integrity and keep our friends wellbeing as our first priority."

 

 

Yep it was totally a threat (aka reminder)

as per Yolanda herself "The vault was not a threat but rather a reminder that I know a lot of things about all the cast members that I would never dare to expose!..."

in that context she could have used "promise" and it still means "threat"...."...I know...things..."

That's about as subtle as a horse head in your bed!

[renatae]

Lisa also said during that same conversation that Mo said the kids were fine, but Kyle and LisaR were talking over her so you have to listen closely to hear it. Lisa only said what Mo confirmed in his tweets and Instagram. Mo never said the kids were sick in his posts after the show. He only said that he said the kids were "fine" and that he supported his kids and their mother. 

 

The only person discrediting Yo was Mo; and Lisa V was obviously uncomfortable even repeating that little bit of information from him. It was one of the few moments throughout the series where you could actually see Lisa V realizing that she should have kept her mouth shut and one of the reasons I think that she has completely checked out of this show. She keeps trying to engage by asking questions of the others, but even that keeps biting her in the ass. 

 

I personally think that Lisa has a life that she enjoys and enjoys showing to the audience, but everyone on the show keeps trying to make her enjoyment of her life a weapon against her. And it seems like she is just tired of it to me. I totally get that. If I had her life, I would totally be like "look at the ponies" instead of engaging in some bs conversation that she already apologized for multiple times and thought was water under the bridge.

 

It really stood out to me that Lisa immediately regretted answering Kyle's question about "What does Mo say?" She was definitely uncomfortable about it and it certainly seemed to me that as soon as she answered, she was wishing she hadn't answered that question at all. She has so often been accused of being shady, but I felt her reaction in this scene was completely honest, both in her response and in her look of regret afterward. Unfortunately, she can't unspill that tea. And Yo won't turn loose of her take that Lisa deliberately talked "sh*t" about her kids.

Lol yes that vault statement took a lot of mental gymnastics to reframe, didn't it? It's like saying fuck you to someone then coming back later and saying " in my native country fuck means to make love, so I was actually saying I love you very much". Nope not buying it

 

Hilarious --- and true!  I love it!!!

[rho]

The thing to remember about charities is that most people have a thing that they really feel for, where most of their dollars go, and then they give smaller amounts when attending events, supporting friends' charities, etc.  I am into Christian and children's charities; my friend's things are animals and leukemia.  So we support each other when we do events, but give a lot more to the ones we have a passion for.

 

The thing that bugs me about events like the spinning is - back in the day they used to be getting pledges to ride or run so many miles, or so many minutes, etc. so the fun of the event was seeing how much you could raise by your efforts.  Now that they are all just "write a check," I'm with Vanderpump - here's my $$ and I'll be in the spa :)

 

I think LisaV was being supportive the way we might buy gift wrap from a neighbor's kid. She has her own charitable causes, mainly LGBT and animal rights. I don't watch VPR regularly but I believe she has hosted fundraisers through Sur and her other restaurants. Showing up to Kyle's event was a show of solidarity.

 

But we did see the charitable efforts of Mauricio and Paul back in season 2/3? when they did Walk a Mile. The spin class was a different type of fundraiser but it's not less effective. It's also one of many smaller endeavors The Agency is involved with. I believe it's meant to allow employees to choose a cause they wish to rally behind. And frankly, I don't really care how they do it, but I'm happy to see the HW using their platform to raise awareness, even if it means tooting their own horns every once in a while. 

 

Yolanda, on the other hand, hasn't mentioned a single Lyme research foundation. All we get from this quack is Daisy the "health advocate" and "my health journey" non of which are credible resources. For someone so keen on raising awareness, that raises some red flags for me.

Edited February 28, 2016 by rho

[quaintirene]

I just got around to watching this and hey, I've done SoulCycle classes there! It's across from the Beverly Wilshire. I loved the classes and the place has a nice democratic feel to it. Celeb or non-celeb you get treated the same.

I still can't get over Kathryn and her tattling. 'I'm your new best friend! You can trust me completely' (5 minutes later) 'Guess what Erika said!!!"

[eurekagirl mOo]

Lots of charities to give to. I think $5000 is a good amount. We don't know how many other charities they donate to. We only know about this one because it was filmed. I doubt any charity turns down any money. Who cares how much it is or HOW it was raised? That's not the point. The point is to help those less fortunate. Whether you "just" write a check or bike for an hour---who cares?????  Frankly (if I had any money that is :)) I'd write a check before I'd ride a bike like a maniac for an hour. Not because it doesn't look like fun but I'm older then LVP and I wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes riding like that!!! I would have written the dam check, taken a shower, and headed for the wine with LVP........

[cooksdelight]

Yolanda, on the other hand, hasn't mentioned a single Lyme research foundation. All we get from this quack is Daisy the "health advocate" and "my health journey" non of which are credible resources. For someone so keen on raising awareness, that raises some red flags for me.

As a cancer survivor (truly!) I do my part every year to help raise funds for our local chapter of the American Cancer Society. I know many people who have suffered from various illnesses who do the same. Lisa V and Kyle have both done a lot for various charities, as shown in this episode alone. Remember the stuff Lisa V does for the Alopecia Foundation.

I personally think Yolanda isn't doing anything to raise money for research......because......wait for it....... there is no charity for Invisible Mystery Illnesses. I would love to know if anyone has reached out to her to help raise money for Lyme research, and what her reply was. "Oh, I am so sorry, I cannot today, my Lyme brain is making me tired....."

Edited February 28, 2016 by cooksdelight

[Satchels of gold]

Since we are talking about charities I'm going to put in a plug for minehttp://bizoha.orga humanist school in Uganda. I wish I had 5,000 dollars to donate . Anyhoo when Kyle had her children's hospital charity ( where Brandi arrived on crutches) she and Maurico donated a very large amount. My memory is awful but I think it was 50,000 and the boards were a flutter with " oh Kyle thinks she's a big shot, blah, blah, blah" . For some people Kyle can't even breathe correctly.

ETA this board is the greatest. I just got a pm from a fellow poster ( who agrees with me on absolutly nothing.....look the ponies are by the pool!) that they donated 600 dollars to the orphanage/ school. I'm tearing up . The school has just opened and I've been worried sick about the few kids who aren't sponsored yet. Thank you fellow poster, I love you.

Edited February 28, 2016 by nc socialworker

[StevieRocks]

Even Kyle said she is a "chess player" with how she deals with people (women more probably.)

Poor Vyle probably thinks anyone with an IQ over 50 is a "chess player." God, she is simple-minded. 

[editorgrrl]

I doubt any charity turns down any money. Who cares how much it is or HOW it was raised? That's not the point. The point is to help those less fortunate. Whether you "just" write a check or bike for an hour—who cares?

No one donated $250 just to spin for 45 minutes. (Not "four to five," LVP.) They were there to meet the real housewives of Beverly Hills and to (hopefully) appear on camera. Like getting a tote bag or mug when you pledge to NPR.

I didn't see a single blurred face in that class. Everybody signed the release.

[LIMOM]

Yolanda was most likely active with David foster's charities.

He is involved in many charities involved with music education and some Canadian interests.

What was Yolanda's reason for the BH chase ?

I thought it was a charity event as well

[Avaleigh]

Since we are talking about charities I'm going to put in a plug for minehttp://bizoha.orga humanist school in Uganda. I wish I had 5,000 dollars to donate . Anyhoo when Kyle had her children's hospital charity ( where Brandi arrived on crutches) she and Maurico donated a very large amount. My memory is awful but I think it was 50,000 and the boards were a flutter with " oh Kyle thinks she's a big shot, blah, blah, blah" . For some people Kyle can't even breathe correctly.

ETA this board is the greatest. I just got a pm from a fellow poster ( who agrees with me on absolutly nothing.....look the ponies are by the pool!) that they donated 600 dollars to the orphanage/ school. I'm tearing up . The school has just opened and I've been worried sick about the few kids who aren't sponsored yet. Thank you fellow poster, I love you.

Reading this just made my Sunday. That's so cool.

 

ETA:

 

I agree that $5000 seems quite generous I don't care if they give more money to Children's Hospital. 

Edited February 28, 2016 by Avaleigh

[StevieRocks]

You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.

Bwah! These shows are an abomination and an affront to my sensibilities in every way, but now it is clear to me that the only reason I watch them is for this board. Where else can one find posters erudite enough to quote Dorothy Parker? Brava, Milady!

[ElDosEquis]

I'm dying. Best line ever!!

Aha! Another fan of the show. But then again I should talk, I found MY wife on the internet? ; )

[quaintirene]

No one donated $250 just to spin for 45 minutes. (Not "four to five," LVP.) They were there to meet the real housewives of Beverly Hills and to (hopefully) appear on camera. Like getting a tote bag or mug when you pledge to NPR.

Darn tootin'. and if I'd had the opportunity I would have signed up with alacrity. SoulCycle with Ho'Wives? How cool would that be? My Kitsch-o-Meter would have been through the roof.

Edited February 28, 2016 by quaintirene

[Satchels of gold]

Aha! Another fan of the show. But then again I should talk, I found MY wife on the internet? ; )

Simon ? Is that you?

[ElDosEquis]

Simon ? Is that you?

Um, no......

[politichick]

Lots of charities to give to. I think $5000 is a good amount. We don't know how many other charities they donate to. We only know about this one because it was filmed. I doubt any charity turns down any money. Who cares how much it is or HOW it was raised? That's not the point. The point is to help those less fortunate. Whether you "just" write a check or bike for an hour---who cares?????  Frankly (if I had any money that is :)) I'd write a check before I'd ride a bike like a maniac for an hour. Not because it doesn't look like fun but I'm older then LVP and I wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes riding like that!!! I would have written the dam check, taken a shower, and headed for the wine with LVP........

I agree that $5000 was perfectly fine for that kind of event. Wish I could earn $5000 for an hour's work.

[Reo]

WoeYo is a terrible liar, that's the source of most of her problems.  She can't remember what she said to who, so she blocks it all out and just keeps spinning.  She doesn't know when to stop, and justifies constantly to explain away the discrepancies.  I think she also believes most of what she says when she says it, that's why she gets so indignant when people doubt her.  She's a big, fat phony in white jeans and anti-makeup, wouldn't be surprised if she has a special makeup artist to enhance her bags for television.  The camera and social media are not her friends, because unlike WoeYo, they document what comes out of her mouth.

 

I seriously believe she thinks she's got us all fooled, and if not, our opinion is not worth noticing.   She's a spider and her web is made of lies and guilt.  I don't know if she's sick and I no longer care.  I do know she's manipulative and mean, because I've seen her be both, and while selective editing could account for part of it, it's obvious she wasn't acting.

 

Edited February 28, 2016 by Reo

[Nanny pants]

Sister magpie: I love your reference to Yolanda and her "festival of nonsense".

[eurekagirl mOo]

No one donated $250 just to spin for 45 minutes. (Not "four to five," LVP.) They were there to meet the real housewives of Beverly Hills and to (hopefully) appear on camera. Like getting a tote bag or mug when you pledge to NPR.

I didn't see a single blurred face in that class. Everybody signed the release.

Hey I'd work a few extra shifts just to have the money to meet the housewives! I don't even need to cycle! Just let me meet them......kinda off topic but back in the 80's the soap stars used to make mall appearances and sometimes convention centers would host a  meet a soap stars day. You better believe I was at every one of those..I lived in PA so NYC was close and we got all the ABC stars....swoon......I even got to kiss one,onstage,of course.  

[LIMOM]

Hey I'd work a few extra shifts just to have the money to meet the housewives! I don't even need to cycle! Just let me meet them......kinda off topic but back in the 80's the soap stars used to make mall appearances and sometimes convention centers would host a  meet a soap stars day. You better believe I was at every one of those..I lived in PA so NYC was close and we got all the ABC stars....swoon......I even got to kiss one,onstage,of course.

Who was the lucky actor/actress?

[eurekagirl mOo]

Danged if I can remember.....I know it was Julie Barr from AMC and her costar ......I think his character was Brad??? Anywhoo they asked who in the audience would like to kiss him? Me me me...I jumped up and down and screamed and got picked! Probably just to shut me up.My one step son was so embarrassed he went to the other end of the mall and hid.....BYW-Julie Barr was TINY. Like barely 5 feet tall and a size 2 if that much. It was fun.

[whydoievencare]

Reo said: "I think she also believes most of what she says when she says it".  According to George Costanza from Seinfeld - "it's not a lie if you believe it".  

 

[Anne Thrax]

Oh, so Erika is one of THOSE women. Who doesn't have female friends because blahblah they talk shit about me whatever and then proceeds to talk shit about other women. Got it. I see you now Erika.

Didn't you hear Erika say in another ep that she doesn't have women friends and only hangs with gay men?  You know, the ones who fawn all over her, do her hair and makeup, and tell her non-stop about how awesome and beautiful she is.

[Sincerely Yours]

So, I'm watching the episode with the Lyme disease talk at the Kathryn vs. Faye BBQ, and this is exactly what is said:

 

Kyle: What's going on with Bella and Anwar's Lyme disease? (To no one in particular)

Lisa: I never heard that, sooo (Lisa puts her hands out and is looking down at table and shaking her head when she says this, as though she didn't believe the story)

LisaR: What do you mean you never heard that? (LisaR looks around, stunned)

Lisa: I don't knoooow. If she says it's true then... (Her tone comes off as though she doesn't believe it)

Kyle: What does Mohammed say?

LisaV: Well, No! (She flies her hands out from her face, as though she talked to Mohammed and he protested, saying, NO!)

Kyle: Mohammed said no? (she is incredulous with huge wide eyes)

Lisa: Well, he just said, "No!" and that she is the only one that has it, but I don't want to come between a husband..."

Kyle: That's not her husband anymore

Lisa: Well, he is one of my best friends.

 

SOOOO. There is nothing there that suggests they are concerned about the kids and Lisa was just saying they were healthy. She told the story as though she asked Mohammed and he said that kids did not have Lyme. Now she and Kyle are trying to make it seem like they were just asking about the kids in general because of stuff they said later when Kyle kept pressing and LisaV backpeddled. 

 

In any case, this is where Erika is getting the LisaV is manipulative. She definitely doesn't believe the kids have Lyme. 

I was watching it again this weekend as well and paid extra attention to that scene and THANK YOU for conveying not just the WORDS but the tone and progression of the questions being asked. I do believe that Lisa was genuinely uncomfortable during that conversation and realized she slipped a bit, especially around the wrong person cause Kyle was definitely not going to let go of that juicy piece of information. But YES to all of this. I dislike Kyle randomly bringing up Yolanda's children. That's was a pretty obvious move so that's where she annoys me. Lisa's reaction and tone carried it the rest of the way. Now I don't believe she realized how bad she slipped and I don't think she did it for the "storyline" to move forward because you can tell that Lisa was regretful right away but Lisa's first answer was she's never heard about it which was a safe enough answer but then to answer Kyle's very eager "You never heard that before" question with "I don't know. IF she's says its TRUE then....." Now this is where the validity of Yolanda's claims become a REAL part of the exchange the IF and the TRUE part. That right there sets the stage. The rest of the conversation is now about whether Mohammad can back Yolanda's claims and not some well meaning curiosity over the children's well being. I mean it's all right there. I think that's enough for them to understand why Yolanda is really unhappy with both of them.

 

I get that Kyle and Lisa don't want to be accused of things that didn't happen and unfortunately some accusations have taken on lives of their own but the way they are both sort of trying to slip out of the initial offense is what's annoying. I think what it boils down to is being honest instead of half steppin' with the "I would never speak ill of your children" angle. What's really going on is that Yolanda knows that they doubted her and they expressed it publicly and that's that. This is what Yo is probably waiting for which is "Yes, the subject of the childrens Lyme came up. I may have seemed a little at odds with that information since I've never heard anything about it before so my reaction prompted more questions about what Mohammad has discussed with me about it. Therefore, I shared what little information I had on the matter which was that he's never mentioned the lyme to me and that in all accounts the children were fine". What no one wants to admit to is that during that exchange:"Yes, Yolanda we weren't completely convinced about it so naturally Mohammads input on the subject seemed like a way to understand more of what the situation is". Now that is still trying to bat the innocent eyelashes and all but good gracious at least lay it on the table like grown women instead of using the classic "offenses is the best defense" approach.

 

I doubt putting it in the manner that I described would have gotten them off completely scott free. Definitely not but it puts a more believable "innocent" spin they are trying to sell than their clumsy outrage at being called out for a conversation that they did in fact take part in.  It would have maybe also prevented all the side offenses that have crept up during all the he said she said nonsense cause all that happening has now given life to more grievances about how information was shared, who, why and this that and the other.   

 

Yolanda's beef is that people are sitting around pretty much rolling their eyes about Yo claiming that her children have Lyme and would like some more confirmation before they can honestly and truly believe that Yolanda's children are actually infected. Which that's their prerogative, absolutely, especially if they feel there are huge inconsistencies.  But own the doubt, and don't get all indignant and oh me oh my when it comes out that you aren't 100% convinced. And don't pretend that Yolanda is accusing you about something that didn't happen at all when it's obvious that there was at the very least some uncertainty amongst the women over Yolanda's claims about the children. It's plain as day. 

Edited February 29, 2016 by Sincerely Yours

[WireWrap]

I was watching it again this weekend as well and paid extra attention to that scene and THANK YOU for conveying not just the WORDS but the tone and progression of the questions being asked. I do believe that Lisa was genuinely uncomfortable during that conversation and realized she slipped a bit, especially around the wrong person cause Kyle was definitely not going to let go of that juicy piece of information. But YES to all of this. I dislike Kyle randomly bringing up Yolanda's children. That's was a pretty obvious move so that's where she annoys me. Lisa's reaction and tone carried it the rest of the way. Now I don't believe she realized how bad she slipped and I don't think she did it for the "storyline" to move forward because you can tell that Lisa was regretful right away but Lisa's first answer was she's never heard about it which was a safe enough answer but then to answer Kyle's very eager "You never heard that before" question with "I don't know. IF she's says its TRUE then....." Now this is where the validity of Yolanda's claims become a REAL part of the exchange the IF and the TRUE part. That right there sets the stage. The rest of the conversation is now about whether Mohammad can back Yolanda's claims and not some well meaning curiosity over the children's well being. I mean it's all right there. I think that's enough for them to understand why Yolanda is really unhappy with both of them.

 

I get that Kyle and Lisa don't want to be accused of things that didn't happen and have taken on lives of it's own but the way they are both sort of trying to slip out of the initial offense is what's annoying. I think what it boils down to is being honest instead of half steppin' with the "I would never speak ill of your children" angle. What's really going on is that Yolanda knows that they doubted her and they expressed it publicly and that's that. This is what Yo is probably waiting for which is "Yes, the subject of the childrens Lyme came up. I may have seemed a little at odds with that information since I've never heard anything about it before so my reaction prompted more questions about what Mohammad has discussed with me about it. Therefore, I shared what little information I had on the matter which was that he's never mentioned the lyme to me and that in all accounts the children were fine". What no one wants to admit to is that during that exchange:"Yes, Yolanda we weren't completely convinced about so naturally Mohammad input on the subject seemed like a way to understand more of what the situation is". Now that is still trying to bat the innocent eyelashes and all but good gracious at least lay it on the table like grown women instead of using the classic "offenses is the best defense" approach.

 

I doubt putting it in the manner that I described would have gotten them off completely scott free. Definitely not but it puts a more believable "innocent" spin they are trying to sell than their clumsy outrage at being called out for a conversation that they did in fact take part in.  It would have maybe also prevented all the side offenses that have crept up during all the he said she said nonsense cause all that happening has now given life to more grievances about how information was shared, who, why and this that and the other.   

 

Yolanda's beef is that people are sitting around pretty much rolling their eyes about Yo claiming that her children have Lyme and would like some more confirmation before they can honestly and truly believe that Yolanda's children are actually infected. Which that's their prerogative, absolutely, especially if they feel there are huge inconsistencies.  But own the doubt, and don't get all indignant and oh me oh my when it comes out that you aren't 100% convinced. And don't pretend that Yolanda is accusing you about something that didn't happen at all when it's obvious that there was at the very least some uncertainty amongst the women over Yolanda's claims about the children. It's plain as day. 

Lisa DID try to explain at that lunch with Yolanda/Kyle BUT Yolanda cut her off and would NOT allow her to explain. Maybe Lisa should have written her an email and cc'd ALL the other women! LOL

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I dislike Kyle randomly bringing up Yolanda's children. That's was a pretty obvious move so that's where she annoys me.

 

 

It's not exactly random. If you're talking about all the many treatments somebody's having for this disease it's a pretty natural progression to bring up that said person just recently gave you the shocking news that their children, too, have been going through the same thing. Maybe in RH land it's obviously a trap to get dirt on the kids (which would only work if Yolanda's lying) but in the real world, that's not random.

 

It's like if people were talking about Kyle's older daughter's job and then somebody said, "Hey, how's her second daughter doing in college?" as a trick to get Lisa to announce that Kyle or Mauricio say only Farrah went to college.

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Lisa DID try to explain at that lunch with Yolanda/Kyle BUT Yolanda cut her off and would NOT allow her to explain. Maybe Lisa should have written her an email and cc'd ALL the other women! LOL

I though Lisa V was trying to explain that she WASN’T doubting the children’s illness and was just repeating what Mohammed said which isn’t true because the exchanged, with her tone and choice of wording alone, expressed her own doubts. I.E. was trying to dance around it and not exactly explaining what happened accurately so Yolanda cutting her off didn’t really matter anyway. But I only saw that part once so I could be wrong.

It's not exactly random. If you're talking about all the many treatments somebody's having for this disease it's a pretty natural progression to bring up that said person just recently gave you the shocking news that their children, too, have been going through the same thing. Maybe in RH land it's obviously a trap to get dirt on the kids (which would only work if Yolanda's lying) but in the real world, that's not random.

 

It's like if people were talking about Kyle's older daughter's job and then somebody said, "Hey, how's her second daughter doing in college?" as a trick to get Lisa to announce that Kyle or Mauricio say only Farrah went to college.

I guess what I mean is that it was an obvious “move plot forward” move.

 

-Same with the whole Kathryn, Faye knowing each other or not

-Same with Lisa R, “you know what I keep thinking of???... OJ”

-Same with Kathryn’s “I saw Erika and we ended up talking about Lisa V”

 

It’s the blunt and clunky “segues” that aren’t ever truly subtle or ever really transition into the conversation authentically. It’s deliberate and it’s for a specific reason and not for the reasons being sold to us and it’s so damn obvious. That's what I mean about why I was annoyed by it.

 

The other thing about that is when a housewife does decide to use that tactic then it pretty much negates any future attempt at claiming any innocence at having an agenda because that's the whole reason it's done. It's the talking in circles that does me in. There's an agenda behind it, everyone knows there's an agenda behind it and yet all this waving both hands in front going "oh no, not me" or "oh no that's not what I meant". It's just such an insult to the intelligence.

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I though Lisa V was trying to explain that she WASN’T doubting the children’s illness and was just repeating what Mohammed said which isn’t true because the exchanged, with her tone and choice of wording alone, expressed her own doubts. I.E. was trying to dance around it and not exactly explaining what happened accurately so Yolanda cutting her off didn’t really matter anyway. But I only saw that part once so I could be wrong.

I guess what I mean is that it was an obvious “move plot forward” move.

 

-Same with the whole Kathryn, Faye knowing each other or not

-Same with Lisa R, “you know what I keep thinking of???... OJ”

-Same with Kathryn’s “I saw Erika and we ended up talking about Lisa V”

 

It’s the blunt and clunky “segues” that aren’t ever truly subtle or ever really transition into the conversation authentically. It’s deliberate and it’s for a specific reason and not for the reasons being sold to us and it’s so damn obvious. That's what I mean about why I was annoyed by it.

 

The other thing about that is when a housewife does decide to use that tactic then it pretty much negates any future attempt at claiming any innocence at having an agenda because that's the whole reason it's done. It's the talking in circles that does me in. There's an agenda behind it, everyone knows there's an agenda behind it and yet all this waving both hands in front going "oh no, not me" or "oh no that's not what I meant". It's just such an insult to the intelligence.

In the original conversation at the BBQ, Lisa repeated what Mohamed said, nothing more except that that if Yolanda claimed the kids had LD that was good enough for her. Never was her tone one of disbelief, confusion and sadness yes but NOT disbelief IMO. Then at the lunch with Yolanda/Kyle Lisa tried to say that Mohamed was the one to tell her the kids were "fine" Yolanda immediately cut her off as soon as his name was mentioned before Lisa could even finish the sentence. Lisa's "tone" was normal, nothing in it to suggest that she believed Yolanda was lying about the kids.

 

Lisa goes way back with these children, she has know them for years so for her to hear out of the blue that 2 of them were sick, that they had the very same illness Yolanda claims, that they have had it for years and still had it had to have been a shock/surprise to her.

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In the original conversation at the BBQ, Lisa repeated what Mohamed said, nothing more except that that if Yolanda claimed the kids had LD that was good enough for her. Never was her tone one of disbelief, confusion and sadness yes but NOT disbelief IMO. Then at the lunch with Yolanda/Kyle Lisa tried to say that Mohamed was the one to tell her the kids were "fine" Yolanda immediately cut her off as soon as his name was mentioned before Lisa could even finish the sentence. Lisa's "tone" was normal, nothing in it to suggest that she believed Yolanda was lying about the kids.

 

Lisa goes way back with these children, she has know them for years so for her to hear out of the blue that 2 of them were sick, that they had the very same illness Yolanda claims, that they have had it for years and still had it had to have been a shock/surprise to her.

I always get the impression Yolanda comes armed with her monologue and when someone stops her or tries to straighten her out she derails and then gets really frustrated.  It was like her yelling at LVP for "defending" Rinna.  No Yolanda either intentionally or through her inability to listen did not want to get to the bottom of things she just wanted to expound and expound until she beat the others down to her level of ignorance and arrogance.  Which is why I think LVP and Kyle continued the conversation at LVP's birthday lunch.  These women are getting pretty exhausted with the beat downs while Yolanda brays on.

 

Of course LVP would ask Mohamed about HIS children.

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Of course LVP would ask Mohamed about HIS children.

I agree and I don't understand why Lisa asking HER good/close friend about HIS children is a problem. I also don't see why it is wrong of her to be confused when the parent she is closest to says something different from the parent that has always been antagonistic towards her and more than a bit overdramatic/inconsistent about her own health.

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In the original conversation at the BBQ, Lisa repeated what Mohamed said, nothing more except that that if Yolanda claimed the kids had LD that was good enough for her. Never was her tone one of disbelief, confusion and sadness yes but NOT disbelief IMO. Then at the lunch with Yolanda/Kyle Lisa tried to say that Mohamed was the one to tell her the kids were "fine" Yolanda immediately cut her off as soon as his name was mentioned before Lisa could even finish the sentence. Lisa's "tone" was normal, nothing in it to suggest that she believed Yolanda was lying about the kids.

 

Lisa goes way back with these children, she has know them for years so for her to hear out of the blue that 2 of them were sick, that they had the very same illness Yolanda claims, that they have had it for years and still had it had to have been a shock/surprise to her.

Never was her tone of disbelief? Her saying IF what she says is TRUE.... clearly gives the impression that she may be, just may be unconvinced. I think there was enough to convey that possibility.

 

In my opinion her tone did convey disbelief and I do believe I'm not the only one that saw the exchange that way so I guess there's room for it to be true. Guess it can go both ways.

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Never was her tone of disbelief? Her saying IF what she says is TRUE.... clearly gives the impression that she may be, just may be unconvinced. I think there was enough to convey that possibility.

 

In my opinion her tone did convey disbelief and I do believe I'm not the only one that saw the exchange that way so I guess there's room for it to be true. Guess it can go both ways.

No, NOT disbelief. CONFUSION! Confusion because the Father that she has known the longest says something DIFFERENT from the Mother. I know had it been me, I would have been confused as to what to believe as well.  

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I agree and I don't understand why Lisa asking HER good/close friend about HIS children is a problem. I also don't see why it is wrong of her to be confused when the parent she is closest to says something different from the parent that has always been antagonistic towards her and more than a bit overdramatic/inconsistent about her own health.

She can be as confused as she wants however NO ONE is copping to it. Lisa and Kyle are trying to present it as if they, not once, ever doubted the Lyme with the children and they aren't being truthful because, well it would make them look bad. Did either one of them actually say, well' yes we just weren't convince about what you said about your own children"? That's the kit and caboodle right there. Everything else is irrelevant. I don't think I've actually seen Kyle or Lisa just say, "yes Yolanda we weren't taking your accounts at face value so Mohammad's input seemed to be a good way to silence any doubts on way or the other."  When I get caught I say shit like, "Fuck, okay I admit it don't hate me I'm sorry but I just had to know so ya know I did XYZ. Please forgive me I know it was over the line but......". These women aren't doing that. Sematics, as usual are the go to defense and now The OFFENSE. Such a simple issue being stretched out for half a season.  Yawn.

No, NOT disbelief. CONFUSION! Confusion because the Father that she has known the longest says something DIFFERENT from the Mother. I know had it been me, I would have been confused as to what to believe as well.  

Got it. I still saw it as disbelief though. <shrug>

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She can be as confused as she wants however NO ONE is copping to it. Lisa and Kyle are trying to present it as if they, not once, ever doubted the Lyme with the children and they aren't being truthful because, well it would make them look bad. Did either one of them actually say, well' yes we just weren't convince about what you said about your own children"? That's the kit and caboodle right there. Everything else is irrelevant. I don't think I've actually seen Kyle or Lisa just say, "yes Yolanda we weren't taking your accounts at face value so Mohammad's input seemed to be a good way to silence any doubts on way or the other."  When I get caught I say shit like, "Fuck, okay I admit it don't hate me I'm sorry but I just had to know so ya know I did XYZ. Please forgive me I know it was over the line but......". These women aren't doing that. Sematics, as usual are the go to defense and now The OFFENSE. Such a simple issue being stretched out for half a season.  Yawn.

Got it. I still saw it as disbelief though. <shrug>

When Yolanda first made the announcement about the kids in front of LisaV, she left before anyone could ask her any questions. Kyle asked if she knew about that and Lisa said she NO. Kyle then tells Lisa to ask Mohamed. Skip to the BBQ and Kyle once again asks about the kids/Mohamed and Lisa answers and IMO, she sounded confused as to what to believe as Mohamed said the kids were "fine" and she adds "If Yolanda says they are sick, I will take her word for it" (which Erika conveniently leaves out of her runtelldat with Yolanda). Now we get to Yolanda bringing it up with Lisa/Kyle and she cuts Lisa off as soon as Lisa says she spoke with Mohamed without letting her get another word in. Yolanda would NOT allow Lisa to explain anything even though Lisa tried to.

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When Yolanda first made the announcement about the kids in front of LisaV, she left before anyone could ask her any questions. Kyle asked if she knew about that and Lisa said she NO. Kyle then tells Lisa to ask Mohamed. Skip to the BBQ and Kyle once again asks about the kids/Mohamed and Lisa answers and IMO, she sounded confused as to what to believe as Mohamed said the kids were "fine" and she adds "If Yolanda says they are sick, I will take her word for it" (which Erika conveniently leaves out of her runtelldat with Yolanda). Now we get to Yolanda bringing it up with Lisa/Kyle and she cuts Lisa off as soon as Lisa says she spoke with Mohamed without letting her get another word in. Yolanda would NOT allow Lisa to explain anything even though Lisa tried to.

And this all outlines that Lisa is unsure whether to believe Yolanda or not.. No? A poster posted the dialogue as "I don't knoooowww.. If she says it's true.....then lets it trial off. Did Lisa actually go on to say "then I will take her word for it"? The way I see it if Yolanda processes things the way I and others do then it came of as Lisa being skeptical and doubting the validity of her claims over something very serious. I don't find that assessment to be such a stretch.  I saw the footage before Yolanda even had a chance and that's how I received it so I'm not going to knock Yolanda for coming to her conclusions with even less information. Actually this goes back to one of the most basic rules of thumb. Don't be talking about people behind they back. This is what is usually the outcome... Messy, messiness to the messiest power. LOL!

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^^

I have yet to meet someone with a mouth, who does not talk about people behind their backs.

It is a natural and sometimes very positive part of human communications, IMO.

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And this all outlines that Lisa is unsure whether to believe Yolanda or not.. No? A poster posted the dialogue as "I don't knoooowww.. If she says it's true.....then lets it trial off. Did Lisa actually go on to say "then I will take her word for it"?

 

 

Yes, I would call that doubtful. Of course, what else could she be? There's two parents saying opposite things, so one of them is mistaken or not telling the truth. Maybe Mo's lying because he doesn't want it known, or maybe Yolanda's lying because whatever. But Lisa saying "I'm not doubting you" is "Look, I'm not taking the position that I know who's right and who's wrong, I'm just repeating what their father said." Is that doubting Yolanda's story? Absolutely, but Lisa's trying to doubt it on her own terms. 

 

I have yet to meet someone with a mouth, who does not talk about people behind their backs.

It is a natural and sometimes very positive part of human communications, IMO.

 

 

I always do think it's weird when people make too big of a deal of this, as if every time you have a negative or even neutral thought about somebody it's terrible to say it to someone else. Sometimes people act like it's an act of great character to constantly confront people with all your complaints about them when it's totally inappropriate. Why would the other person necessarily deserve to be told what you think of them? Especially if they annoy you and they've done nothing to you? Or they have and you don't want to deal with them?

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I have yet to meet someone with a mouth, who does not talk about people behind their backs.

It is a natural and sometimes very positive part of human communications, IMO.

EXACTLY! But we all understand it and we all know the risks. If you can't handle being caught with someone else's name in your mouth without trying to go on the offense then that's a sign you shouldn't be doing it. I for one pick and choose how, when and with who I discuss others with. The times I've been reckless have gotten me in trouble and I had no choice but to take the lumps and verbal smack down that came with that. Even if what I was saying wasn't "all that bad" didn't matter. It's the act that is what's really frowned upon. The liberty and the fracturing of trust that's at the real core of the offense. That's just the way it goes so go ahead, indulge but then if you're caught, you're caught. Even the slightest shade spoken about someone not present is grounds for getting read and all this dancing around it that Lisa and Kyle are doing is the part I find so silly.

Yes, I would call that doubtful. Of course, what else could she be? There's two parents saying opposite things, so one of them is mistaken or not telling the truth. Maybe Mo's lying because he doesn't want it known, or maybe Yolanda's lying because whatever. But Lisa saying "I'm not doubting you" is "Look, I'm not taking the position that I know who's right and who's wrong, I'm just repeating what their father said." Is that doubting Yolanda's story? Absolutely, but Lisa's trying to doubt it on her own terms. 

 

 

I always do think it's weird when people make too big of a deal of this, as if every time you have a negative or even neutral thought about somebody it's terrible to say it to someone else. Sometimes people act like it's an act of great character to constantly confront people with all your complaints about them when it's totally inappropriate. Why would the other person necessarily deserve to be told what you think of them? Especially if they annoy you and they've done nothing to you? Or they have and you don't want to deal with them?

Very true but if confronted then express just that. Don't try and present a different version of the feelings involved and pussyfoot around what the point of the conversation was really about. I mean if the cats outta the bag then the cats outta the bag.

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Very true but if confronted then express just that. Don't try and present a different version of the feelings involved and pussyfoot around what the point of the conversation was really about. I mean if the cats outta the bag then the cats outta the bag.

 

 

I think she is expressing it in a pretty straightforward way. She's saying, "Don't put me into the role of villain going around making up stories and calling you a liar. I asked about your kids in a perfectly nice way and I was told by their father they were fine. Not my fault that's what he told me."