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"Changing negatively, everyday" defines my existence since November 9, 2016, so I too feel validated by the panel's anger.   My business has fallen off dramatically.  Customers have been telling me fo

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No he can't because he is the President of the United States and not Hannity or any other talk show stooge. They are not on the same level in any shape or form nor do their job description hold them t

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I am tired of Joe and Mika and Halperin and Geist telling me how unlikable Hillary is. I like her just fine. In fact, the more they tell me how unlikable she is, the more I like her, just to spite the

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2 hours ago, oakville said:

 

Mika is mad at other media outlets for reporting the TransGender Band. Mika said it's a shiny penny.

I think it is a serious story that should be covered.

 

Has the TransGender Band put out any CD's yet?  ;)

I'm transgender, so this has been a banner week for me.  First healthcare, now this.   I'm sitting here watching a group of ugly rich old white men jackhammering away at the pillars of my existence.   I try to convince myself it's not my country doing this but a malignant tumor metastasizing within my country.   Stage 3, I think.

The ban on transgender people in the military IS a shiny penny as Mika says, but the impact can be likened to that of the apocryphal penny tossed from the top of the World Trade Center.   The President of the United States has just declared transgender people a national "burden."   The immediate effect will be to ruin the careers and ambitions of 11,000 active transgender troops, but on a more widespread scale it will reinforce the bias and shame that society has burdened us with for generations.   It will send a message to employers and landlords that it's okay to slam the door in the face of transgender people because we are second class citizens condemned by the President of the United States himself.   It will lead more families to deny and hate their transgender children, siblings, etc., because Trump has designated us the lowest of castes, unwanted even in an all-volunteer army.   It will reignite the bathroom debate and embolden those who cravenly portray us as sexual predator time-bombs.

It's amazing what you can buy for a shiny penny these days.   

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oakville

oakville

38 minutes ago, Qoass said:

Because not everybody has an auto or a mortgage. Everybody has health. Some better than others.

Good point but hospitals have to treat uninsured patients. Instead of a mandate, why don't they raise the Medicare tax?

I thought it was rude of Mika to dismiss the Transgender Ban. They should have interviewed Transgender military vets. 

Did they cover the arrest of the Awan Brother for stealing Debbie Wasserman Shultz emails? This could be behind the dnc leak

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I thought it was rude of Mika to dismiss the Transgender Ban. They should have interviewed Transgender military vets. 

Maybe that's because Trump later softballed it by saying he was basically talking about saving money by not having the government paying for sex change operations. I got a kick out of the guy who was either on some military committee or was a General, talking about their concern really being how a person who just underwent a sex change being in combat, or even more ridiculously, the fretting over how they could administer daily hormones to those in combat.  They already administer daily hormones to those in combat.  It's called INSULIN.

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1 hour ago, WhineandCheez said:

Maybe that's because Trump later softballed it by saying he was basically talking about saving money by not having the government paying for sex change operations. I got a kick out of the guy who was either on some military committee or was a General, talking about their concern really being how a person who just underwent a sex change being in combat, or even more ridiculously, the fretting over how they could administer daily hormones to those in combat.  They already administer daily hormones to those in combat.  It's called INSULIN.

It's a simple matter of perspective.   I bet "the guy who was either on some military committee or was a General" didn't voice any concern over  a person who just underwent surgery to repair an injured leg or to have an appendix removed being in combat.   The fact is, surgery is surgery, regardless of the reason.  Obviously NO ONE who has had surgery and is not yet in a state of full recovery is going to be in combat.   It's asinine of him to say something like that.   Unless of course you're an insecure bigoted asshole, in which case the twisted logic makes perfect sense.

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3 hours ago, Qoass said:

Perhaps they can bring up that the cost of military Viagra is five times the trans expenses. Honestly, there's so much MJ could be covering that their poor staff is probably worked to the bone.

As well as what the military spends on acne medication

http://www.9news.com/news/local/next/a-president-legally-has-the-right-to-ban-transgender-people-from-military/459797749

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23 hours ago, izabella said:

That's what we had before the ACA passed.  That was when we had 50 million uninsured instead of 20 million.  That was when you couldn't buy insurance at just about any price if you had pre-existing conditions.  That was when people with two or three part time jobs STILL had no insurance through their employers and not enough means to buy it.  That was when self-employed people had to pay through the nose for insurance, if they could even afford it.  That was when insurance companies could turn you down for coverage for any reason.   That was when the uninsured clogged ER's because they couldn't afford doctor visits.  That was when sick people got sicker and died because they couldn't get health care as soon as they got sick.  That was when there were annual and lifetime caps on insurance, so if you got cancer, fuck you after you hit the caps.  That was when insurance companies could sell junk policies that covered nothing.  That was why the ACA was created and passed, so all those people could have the insurance they need to get health care but couldn't get because the "free enterprise" and "free markets" didn't actually cover them.

We have the ACA because the free market didn't work and people died.  The only reason we have the ACA instead of universal health care for everyone is becasue the Republicans in Congress wouldn't allow such a terrible, awful thing: taxpayer funded health care for everyone, just like the heath care Congress has.

Thank you for this. I am going to copy/paste it everywhere I read nonsensical blather about how the "free market" will solve everything.

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I've always wondered why the Democratic National Committee doesn't hire the best ad agencies in the world to promote their message.(Donny Duetch would probably like to help out on that.) Democrats are in desperate need of effective branding and messaging.

I do this shit for a living and I'll help the DNC for free.

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On 7/26/2017 at 1:18 PM, izabella said:

The only reason we have the ACA instead of universal health care for everyone is becasue the Republicans in Congress wouldn't allow such a terrible, awful thing: taxpayer funded health care for everyone, just like the heath care Congress has.

Actually it was Independent (at the time, former Democratic) Senator Joe Lieberman who betrayed the Democrats and his constituents and killed the public option as part of the ACA by threatening a filibuster.  By now the Democrats in the Senate seem to have discovered the only way they can fight McTurtle and his gang of thieves is to stay together as a voting bloc no matter what.  

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The public health insurance option, also known as the public insurance option or the public option, is a proposal to create a government-run health insurance agency that would compete with other private health insurance companies within the United States. The public option is not the same as publicly funded health care, but was proposed as an alternative health insurance plan offered by the government. The public option was initially proposed for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was removed after Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) threatened a filibuster.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option

I was delighted when Lieberman finally took his leave of the Senate and I didn't have to hear his sonorous drone anymore.  

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Mika approached the "Sessions shaming" like it just happened yesterday. I only watched the first half, but it was pretty much all devoted to Sessions. I know that she was out of the country last week but this is a little bit of old - though not fake - news. Yes, the president seems to be ratcheting it up, but I would have appreciated at least a little discussion about the ban and a lot of discussion about what the hell is going on with the healthcare vote. The Sessions tweets have become so ridiculous and comical, that they could be included in the funny breaks that they show at the top of the hour.

I know that Mika doesn't get to pick the direction of the morning discussions (does anyone know who does?), but I thought this was a bit of overkill.

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14 hours ago, Qoass said:

Because not everybody has an auto or a mortgage. Everybody has health. Some better than others.

Oh, I agree that health care is a universal concern. Insurance companies rely on the odds that an "acceptable" percentage of customers with auto insurance and mortgage insurance will file claims while recognizing that an "unacceptable" percentage of customers with health care insurance will file claims. If they find the odds to be unacceptable then they are free to go into another line of business! My point was that private health insurance is granted a protected status that is undeserved and unacceptable. They can step aside and watch not-for-profit government health insurance do the job instead. Some profit is better than no profit but insurance companies are greedy bastards, so there's that. With their new and improved ratings, I wish MJ would devote a week (or even a morning) to discussing this in depth instead of just mentioning the high points here and there. They have 15 hours a week available to them which is three times more than most shows have. It comes across as lazy, and unconcerned.

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14 hours ago, Mumbles said:

I saw the first and the last hour of the show and unless I missed something in the middle, I did not find Mika "dismissive" of the transgender ban. She seemed pretty disgusted by it.

Mika said it was a distraction & wanted to focus on other issues. She called it a shinny penny to distract people.

14 hours ago, Jordan Baker said:

Because Kasie! is a frequent guest on MJ (and a favorite of our recapper), I thought this might be relevant:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/07/27/kasie-hunt-msnbc-show-241041

One of hour of Kasie!. I would watch this!

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13 hours ago, navelgazer said:

Actually it was Independent (at the time, former Democratic) Senator Joe Lieberman who betrayed the Democrats and his constituents and killed the public option as part of the ACA by threatening a filibuster.  By now the Democrats in the Senate seem to have discovered the only way they can fight McTurtle and his gang of thieves is to stay together as a voting bloc no matter what.  

I was delighted when Lieberman finally took his leave of the Senate and I didn't have to hear his sonorous drone anymore.  

Thanks for the excellent summary. I forgot about that. Lieberman did to Obama what McCain has done to Trump. They both fought back against Presidents from their own parties.

Mika is calling it Failure Friday and is very happy that McCain cast the deciding No vote against the skinny repeal.

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Oh, good.  Meek-a gets to be in School Marm mode today, shushing and sternly rebuking "the guys" when referring to the vulgarities of Scaramucci.  It is times like this when I remember why she pisses me off.  Please.  We are not four years old..we can read the captions on what he said.  "The guys" were having a little fun with it.  I know, that is her schtick.  She is never happier than when she is the Queen Bee of all The Guys.  Reveling in it this morning.  On the other hand, I am enjoying the show today.  Kind of wish Joe was on so he could add his two cents and bellow/smirk.  I can't believe I just typed that last sentence.  He usually is what makes Meek-a palatable for me.  I know, unpopular opinion.  And please panel.  I am grateful McCain voted with the ladies...but THEY are the heroes.  They have withstood threats and bombast this week and voted to not screw over their constituents.  But all we hear about is McCain the hero.

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Failure Friday Recap. Mika is wearing her blue top with a violet cardigan. Mika repeated all the failures of Trump. Donnie had to make sex jokes about impotent Friday.

Trump is out of control & is sending in the Mooch to fire Priebus, Bannon & Sessions. He doesn't have a security clearance so Tyler said he can't do anything,

Kasie! stayed up for the vote. McCain said No, so he is a hero now. The maverick is back.

Obamacare stays for now.

Tyler said that Repeal & Replace is a fraud. The GOP never wants to be the governing party because it does not know what it plans to replace Obamacare with.

The pale tried to get Mika to repeat Scarmuchis profanity laced tirades but she wouldn't. She said she saves that language for Joe at night.

Is Trump Woody Allen without humor?

Halperin said this is a big week in the Trump Presidency.

The panel is happy that the system holds. Donnie will stop hyperventaliting at every Trump announcement.

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Love how after Mika explains how the GOP failed on health insurance, she lays it at the feet of the Democrats.  "The question is, now what are Democrats going to do?  They have to do something.  Harold?"
And spineless bag of [vulgar reference to anatomy in the plural] Harold Ford burbles some nonsense about how repairing health care is now the Democrats responsibility and they need to cut deals.  The minority party.  Who just won.  Whose product DID become law but was deformed by recalcitrant Republican impediments and Republican governors refusal to embrace.  Then that frog faced fuck from Tennessee or Kentucky or wherever bellowed at Mika to not interrupt him and explained how the ACA was destroying his state, and demanded Democrats capitulate.
 

Then, Mika says that you can trace the culture of lies and Presidents lying all the way back to Clinton.  She said it without conviction because she was trying on Daddy's shoes to see how they fit her.  And as she said it you could tell she didn't like how the words sounded coming out of her mouth.  But she still said it.  What a fucking moron.  Bill Clinton invented lying. 
Any idea why this popped up as Joe's go-to theme about 4 months ago?  Never before on the show.  Joe used to LUUUUURV him some Bill Clinton.  Said he was the best politician ever.  Said that for years.  I know it's a personal thing that must have occurred recently, but what could it have been?

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Mika refused to read aloud the New Yorker article's paragraph quoting Mooch's profanity toward Bannon.  Something about Bannon sucking his own cock using a contortionist's methods.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

Why does Mika turn into a dainty flower who needs smelling salts whenever profanity or sexuality or quasi-obscene references occur?  She's 50 years old with two teen girls. She was married, and while married, had an affair with her co-worker.

Yet the  very idea of reading something that referred to a cock squished her out. "That's DISGUSTING!" she yelled.

So no dirty talk between Mika and Joe?  Does she call his equipment his peepee? I think she's ridiculous.

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teddysmom

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10 minutes ago, sleekandchic said:

Yet the  very idea of reading something that referred to a cock squished her out. "That's DISGUSTING!" she yelled.

So no dirty talk between Mika and Joe?  Does she call his equipment his peepee? I think she's ridiculous.

Well if you're talking about her saying "cock" or "fuck" on live tv, there's a little thing called Standards & Practices and the network and sponsors look down on profanity. 

You can say anything you want in private  with your fiance or husband, but not on live tv. That's kind of a given. 

millennium

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I don't blame Mika for clutching her pearls.   To be honest, I find it sad we're not all clutching our pearls and that we now live in a world where people talk about grabbing pussies and sucking cocks in polite company, and that these quotes appear on a TV screen at 8 o'clock in the morning where children can read them.   And that the sewers from which these words flow get cutesy nicknames like "the Mooch" or receive endearing first-name status like "Anthony" from news commentators (Stephanie Ruhle, about 15 minutes ago on MJ).  

Rose petals don't fall from my lips, but I know a thing or two about decorum, manners and etiquette.   Most of us do.  Yet we are standing by in either shocked or conspiratorial silence while these bad actors turn our most respected institutions into a white trash reality show.  

I wish MJ wouldn't reproduce the quotes, even in text.   I wish it wouldn't normalize this kind of behavior by commentators being amused by it.

Good on Mika, IMO. 

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sleekandchic

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13 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

Well if you're talking about her saying "cock" or "fuck" on live tv, there's a little thing called Standards & Practices and the network and sponsors look down on profanity. 

You can say anything you want in private  with your fiance or husband, but not on live tv. That's kind of a given. 

Of course!  But teddysmom, the show prepared graphics with the article's copy right up there on screen.  The "offensive" words were disguised, for example, "c*ck blocker," but they were still obvious and visible.  I saw several MSNBC hosts last night read those passages aloud, always substituting "blanking" for the profanity.

I'm not saying she should have used the words on air.  I'm objecting to her delicate-flower machinations. She can't have it both ways, in my opinion. It's HER show.  Tell your producers you don't want the article displayed in graphics.  Report on the story, mention profanity was used, steer your audience to the source material, and move on.

If this were the only time I've witnessed Mika needing smelling salts over the most benign of sexual references, I wouldn't have commented.   But I have seen her do the ingenue act several times.

JMO :)

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oakville

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1 hour ago, suomi said:

Even better, from the link above: "One source suggested it would be a two-hour show on Sundays."
 

 

37 minutes ago, sleekandchic said:

Mika refused to read aloud the New Yorker article's paragraph quoting Mooch's profanity toward Bannon.  Something about Bannon sucking his own cock using a contortionist's methods.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

Why does Mika turn into a dainty flower who needs smelling salts whenever profanity or sexuality or quasi-obscene references occur?  She's 50 years old with two teen girls. She was married, and while married, had an affair with her co-worker.

Yet the  very idea of reading something that referred to a cock squished her out. "That's DISGUSTING!" she yelled.

So no dirty talk between Mika and Joe?  Does she call his equipment his peepee? I think she's ridiculous.

I remember several years ago, Donnie joked with Mika about giving her a "Pearl Necklace" which has sexual connotation. Mika had no clue what that meant. Joe whispered to her what it meant. Mika freaked out & left the set.

Two hours of Kasie!. If Elise Jordan is on the set as well, I might pass out:)

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I don't blame Mika for clutching her pearls.   To be honest, I find it sad we're not all clutching our pearls and that we now live in a world where people talk about grabbing pussies and sucking cocks in polite company, and that these quotes appear on a TV screen at 8 o'clock in the morning where children can read them.   And that the sewers from which these words flow get cutesy nicknames like "the Mooch" or receive endearing first-name status like "Anthony" from news commentators (Stephanie Ruhle, about 15 minutes ago on MJ).  

Rose petals don't fall from my lips, but I know a thing or two about decorum, manners and etiquette.   Most of us do.  Yet we are standing by in either shocked or conspiratorial silence while these bad actors turn our most respected institutions into a white trash reality show.  

I wish MJ wouldn't reproduce the quotes, even in text.   I wish it wouldn't normalize this kind of behavior by commentators being amused by it.

Good on Mika, IMO. 

 

I have to agree. I swear a lot, probably more than I should, (comes from spending a couple years living next door to a cop and a construction worker when I was 19) but I certainly know when not to.  I have to say I'm surprised the networks are showing passages from that article with the Bannon  stuff., as well as the rest of it.  Good lord. 

Yes it's all fun and games, and show of hands of those who don't think by the end of his run Mooch is basically Ray Liotta at the end of Goodfellas.   The laughter should be more outrage, that we have gone from a White House that we were so proud of it brought tears to my eyes, to this bunch of degenerates.  

6 minutes ago, oakville said:

remember several years ago, Donnie joked with Mika about giving her a "Pearl Necklace" which has sexual connotation. Mika had no clue what that meant. Joe whispered to her what it meant. Mika freaked out & left the set.

I remember that and Mika did the right thing. That is disgusting. 

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Mika says that you can trace the culture of lies and Presidents lying all the way back to Clinton.  She said it without conviction because she was trying on Daddy's shoes to see how they fit her. 

I heard that too and was thinking that all the rubbing up against Joe she does nowadays has rubbed something else off on her.  I agree, it sounded somewhat discordant, like she was trying to be all fair not not just anti-Trump (why bother, I say.)

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Yes it's all fun and games, and show of hands of those who don't think by the end of his run Mooch is basically Ray Liotta at the end of Goodfellas

Seth Myers said that Mooch was a "human pinkie ring."  I am stocking up popcorn now to watch when Trump fires him for getting more press and attention then himself. 

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Did they have Stephanie Ruhle on this morning? I missed it if so. She was making some really good points last night about Scaramucci selling his company to a Chinese firm, and needing to cozy up to Trump so that if the committee that oversees those types of transactions turns it down, Trump can overrule them. 

So.... the plot thickens. Now we know why Little Anthony traded his liberal bonafides to become yet another snake in the Trump sewer. 

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Mumbles

Mumbles

When a show involves reading Peggy Noonan's breathless drivel TWICE, you know it is going to be a Beltway-hack lanyard-worshipping circle jerk of a show. Right down to the obligatory McCain suck job (never mind that he could have put an end to all of this days ago.)

Their worship of institutions and process is sickening. I heard Mika actually say, "I want the president to succeed." I almost fell off the treadmill until I realized all these DC/McLean/Potomac hacks have been hard-wired to respect the presidency as an institution. But only Donny (NOT a political hack by trade) understands that an institution is only as good as the people in it. And unlike Mika, and Eugene Robinson, and Halperin, etc. he was calling it "success Friday" and not "failure Friday." And he is right! 

And oh the pearl-clutching of the Mooch's dirty language. And the utterly hacky obsession with the idea that he reports to Trump and not the Chief of Staff. Only a lanyard-worshipper cares about lines of command. (And a other thing, while Mooch seems completely vile, he is correct about Bannon and Priebus.)

The only laugh of the day was when Rick Tyler said Clinton had managed to fix his presidency after a rough start "until he slipped on a blue dress." Hah!

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oakville

oakville

1 hour ago, stormy said:

Mika is a fine news reader. But she doesn't have the presence or gravitas to be a "news" show host. Not even of this chatty gossipy one.

 

1 hour ago, stormy said:

Mika is a fine news reader. But she doesn't have the presence or gravitas to be a "news" show host. Not even of this chatty gossipy one.

She stumbled over the word  unprecedented today.She called it Unpresidented.

Mika was excited about creating a hashtag for twitter called #FailureFriday

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Mumbles

Mumbles

Lanyards are the plastic work ID holders that people wear around their necks. They're especially prominent in DC, as their wearers place great import and pride on who they work for. The term lanyard-worshipper has become shorthand in Twitter and the blogosphere for people in politics who value process and institutions over substance, and who base a person's worth on who is in their reporting chain. 

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millennium

millennium

3 hours ago, Mumbles said:

Lanyards are the plastic work ID holders that people wear around their necks. They're especially prominent in DC, as their wearers place great import and pride on who they work for. The term lanyard-worshipper has become shorthand in Twitter and the blogosphere for people in politics who value process and institutions over substance, and who base a person's worth on who is in their reporting chain. 

Thanks.  I am so happy I didn't know that, lol.   I have not been assimilated!

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