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Okay, I am really on a Raven rant today, I guess because I somewhat paid attention to the show (maybe because Whoopi wasn't there??)

 

Anyway, when they were discussing "The Wiz" - it was apparent that Raven didn't like it, because she said she loved the "original" with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross.  Is she even aware that before the film version that she was speaking about, there was a live theater version WITHOUT MJ and Miss Ross?  I believe she mentioned something about Stephanie Mills - well, Stephanie Mills only appeared in the Broadway productions - she was not in the film version, and Stephanie Mills and MJ, Diana Ross, etc., never appeared together in any production of The Wiz, ever!

 

Raven's ignorance boggles my mind, especially since I'm sure they do some pre-show meetings regarding what they will be discussing.  A few well thought out searches on the internet (other than FB, Twitter and Instagram) should provide her with the resources and information she would need to offer more intelligent opinions.  She is so tech-dependant, why doesn't she use the internet for more than social media??

 

Sorry, folks, she just really annoyed me more than usual today!   :-)

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I agree with you, njbchlover. The first NYC Broadway show I ever saw was The Wiz, and Raven didn't know that that was the original. ( The NBC show last night was excellent, I thought.) Every day Raven says something so outlandish or ignorant that it's embarrassing. I notice that sometimes the other co hosts kind of look a little aghast when she speaks.

 

Carly, I wish you would have let my memories of you stay intact. That song was really bad. I would have liked to have heard her son's voice more though, because I think he's supposed to sound like his dad.

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Raven is an embarrassment. She can be "colorless" and have "no labels" all she likes. We don't want her. It seems she just likes being different and going against the grain even when it does nothing but highlight the fact that she is a complete idiot. She doesn't even care to know things about her own craft. Get off candy crush and read a book, you fool. 

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Raven's ignorance boggles my mind, especially since I'm sure they do some pre-show meetings regarding what they will be discussing.  A few well thought out searches on the internet (other than FB, Twitter and Instagram) should provide her with the resources and information she would need to offer more intelligent opinions.  She is so tech-dependant, why doesn't she use the internet for more than social media??

 

She is probably playing candy crush during these meetings.

I really doubt she knows the internet is more than FB, Twitter and Instagram. To her that is the "internet". And no one will have a better cell phone that she does!

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Even CCB had empathy for the teenaged mother, and talked about giving her a second chance.  She is not annoying me as much lately as she did early on.

 

Joy was great today, and she also pulled out her ear piece right at the beginning and said so out loud, and said that it was buzzing in her ear but she couldn't hear anything.

 

Joy even rescued Sara who pretty much dissed her home state of Iowa where apparently they don't have theatre, and Sara also says that she got outta there, like it was a shit-hole.  Joy then said she was recently in Des Moines and it was a lovely city.  In fact a  lot of smaller cities in the middle states (and other states) are quite charming and many have vibrant arts communities.  

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Okay, I am really on a Raven rant today, I guess because I somewhat paid attention to the show (maybe because Whoopi wasn't there??)

 

Anyway, when they were discussing "The Wiz" - it was apparent that Raven didn't like it, because she said she loved the "original" with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross.  Is she even aware that before the film version that she was speaking about, there was a live theater version WITHOUT MJ and Miss Ross?  I believe she mentioned something about Stephanie Mills - well, Stephanie Mills only appeared in the Broadway productions - she was not in the film version, and Stephanie Mills and MJ, Diana Ross, etc., never appeared together in any production of The Wiz, ever!

 

Raven's ignorance boggles my mind, especially since I'm sure they do some pre-show meetings regarding what they will be discussing.  A few well thought out searches on the internet (other than FB, Twitter and Instagram) should provide her with the resources and information she would need to offer more intelligent opinions.  She is so tech-dependant, why doesn't she use the internet for more than social media??

 

Sorry, folks, she just really annoyed me more than usual today!   :-)

 

THIS! I thought MJ and DR were together but I didnt' remember SM being with them, so I thought I remembered wrong.

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Couldn't agree more! Sara Haines, UGH!!

Since they have this "pool of rotating co-hosts" why don' they use it? It would have been just fine with four of them. Why do they need another at that table?

Was this show live today?

I'm surprised that I like her on this show. She annoys the hell out of me on GMA.

I liked the religious discussion, although I would have preferred Paula in the discussion instead of Candace.

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Absolutely! Aside from the intelligent, kind content, the best part was derailing CCB's attempt to make it against prayer or God in general. We need more of those type of guests on...you know, intelligent, rational, diplomatic, etc. Nevermind, its the spew.

Are there any shows that consistently have these type of guests on, out there?

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Leave it to Joy to gather representatives of the Catholic, Muslim & Jewish faiths to discuss what's going on.  Very good conversation & very enlightening!!

Yes, I have to think she had a hand in this since production on this show generally sucks.  And even though it only lasted the requisite 4-5 minutes I thought it was really good too.

 

 

Didn't you love the look on CCB's face when the Pastor quoted the scripture saying (paraphrasing here):  You can't just pray, you must DO something!!!

I noticed Candace's pretty face suddenly got Bitsy frown lines when she asked the Bitsy-esque question about "the war on prayer" LOL.   Nice response from the priest however. 

 

 

The first NYC Broadway show I ever saw was The Wiz, and Raven didn't know that that was the original. ( The NBC show last night was excellent, I thought.) Every day Raven says something so outlandish or ignorant that it's embarrassing. I notice that sometimes the other co hosts kind of look a little aghast when she speaks.

 

Carly, I wish you would have let my memories of you stay intact. That song was really bad. I would have liked to have heard her son's voice more though, because I think he's supposed to sound like his dad.

Same here!  First Broadway show, I was ten years old and I loved it.  

 

Carly Simon and her new song bummed me out.  That was terrible.  Ugh

 

 

Joy even rescued Sara who pretty much dissed her home state of Iowa where apparently they don't have theatre, and Sara also says that she got outta there, like it was a shit-hole.  Joy then said she was recently in Des Moines and it was a lovely city.  In fact a  lot of smaller cities in the middle states (and other states) are quite charming and many have vibrant arts communities.  

 I know!  I actually  thought that those comments by Sara were worse than anything Raven said.  Raven is completely ignorant and uneducated  but Haines is almost 40 and went to Smith College for crying out loud.   What a snob.   I guess she is the only Iowian to have made it to the theater.  Her visits home must be a blast, lol.  

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I really liked Sara when she did the "internet news" segments for Hoda & Kathie Lee before she left for ABC. She's okay but nothing to write home about.

 

I honestly believe this is Whoopi's last year on The Spew. About time. Disney wants to keep her as a spokesperson but that will change if they keep allowing her to go unrestrained much longer.

 

I haven't been able to catch the show this last couple of weeks. This board and you guys are my saving grace. Thanks for being here!

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Absolutely! Aside from the intelligent, kind content, the best part was derailing CCB's attempt to make it against prayer or God in general. We need more of those type of guests on...you know, intelligent, rational, diplomatic, etc. Nevermind, its the spew.

 

That was a thing of beauty. Here's CCB trying to change the argument in that simplistic, though sadly effective, way that right-wing GOPer's do and the Catholic priest smacks her down. The New York Daily News had a cover that said "God isn't fixing this" about how all the congress people offer prayers via social media, but do nothing about the gun deaths, and CCB makes that into a "war on prayer"!  This is how you derail a debate. Instead of talking about guns and mass killings you can change the debate into one about the attack on christians. And so nothing ever changes.

 

The priest was great in shutting her down and keeping them on the actual topic. Loved his quoting a bible verse about the very point. Prayer or telling someone you're thinking about their troubles is not enough, you have to follow it with action. And then someone (the rabbi) followed that up with the fact that Jesus actually helped people, he fed them, he didn't just pray for them.

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Hey, you guys could have warned me about Carly's face.

 

Bwahahahaha!  Morgalisa, I was glad I had finished my afternoon coffee before I read this.  And yeah, it kind of explained her big ol' 1970s hat didn't it?  Like I said, the whole segment bummed me out. 

 

Oh noes! I love me some Carly Simon and it's pains me that so many were disappointed at her appearance. I will skip it when I do eventually catch up on what I've missed.

I would highly reccomend doing just that and keep your memories intact. Better still, play some old school Carly and forget about the new album.  

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But .... but .... it was the song that was so ... un-good, wasn't it?  Not Carly herself.  Right?  Right?  

 

Well.   Anyway.  That's what I am telling myself.  I can't not love Carly Simon.  I can't!

I love Carly Simon. I wish women would age naturally, but I'm not against a little subtle work. I think Joy looks very natural. But Carly's skin had that overstretched unnatural plastic look. And she could barely open her eyes.

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But .... but .... it was the song that was so ... un-good, wasn't it?  Not Carly herself.  Right?  Right?  

 

Well.   Anyway.  That's what I am telling myself.  I can't not love Carly Simon.  I can't!

Unfortunately, the whole thing was a clusterf**k, but, we still have our albums and CDs. The Carly love continues!

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About time. Disney wants to keep her as a spokesperson

 

 

WHYYyyyyyyyyy????

 

I liked the religious discussion, although I would have preferred Paula in the discussion instead of Candace.

 

 

My impression is that the discussion was for Candace's benefit...and education.   I'd like to have seen a mainstream Protestant religion represented too...although Candace seems more like an Evangelical.

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About Whoopi and Disney: It's like she lives in a protective bubble. Those of us who witness the real Whoopi on a daily basis cannot fully understand it (not me anyway) but the Whoopi "brand" is still held in high esteem. Maybe the last fiasco with defending Cosby brought her down a notch in the big-wig's eyes, I don't know, but she's apparently valuable to someone. Her voiceovers and prepared Disney promotional bits hark back to the professionalism she's still capable of producing. Those couple of segments she did called "Whoopi's New York" were well done and informative. I doubt they were her idea but it worked for her.

She's always been lucky that way. People still fall at her feet, but that can't last forever. I'm sure The Spew pays her well, but she can't help but show how resentful she is at having to be there sometimes. One day soon she's gonna cross another line and some big-wig's going to wake up and give her the boot. Surely she doesn't want it to get to that point. Keep Disney wanting the good you, Whoopi. It's easy money. Get off daytime TV and pretend you're still a stah.

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Hearing Carly sing reminded me of Johnny Cash singing/recording/duet-ing when his voice wasn't good.  No complaints from audiences or reviewers then.   A girl doesn't stand a chance.

I purposely avoid seeing live performances of my favorites from back in the day because most of them, even my beloved Jon Bon Jovi, just can't hit the notes and don't have the voice they did 30 years ago (although that's not really what I love the most about him so I'll still go to a Bon Jovi concert. hee)   The only exception I've seen was Ann Wilson (Heart) on The Kennedy Center Honors show and so I saw Heart earlier this year and she did not disappoint.  She's in her 60s but if you close your eyes her voice is the same.  It's amazing.  Amazing.  

 

That said, I'm not sure Carly's voice was even the problem today.  The songwas really really bad, I'm not sure that it should even be counted as a song. Of course the low end production of this show didn't help.   Her 1970s hat with the 1980s mother of the bride dress didn't work for me either.   I wish I could unsee it. 

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Okay, I am really on a Raven rant today, I guess because I somewhat paid attention to the show (maybe because Whoopi wasn't there??)

 

Anyway, when they were discussing "The Wiz" - it was apparent that Raven didn't like it, because she said she loved the "original" with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross.  Is she even aware that before the film version that she was speaking about, there was a live theater version WITHOUT MJ and Miss Ross?  I believe she mentioned something about Stephanie Mills - well, Stephanie Mills only appeared in the Broadway productions - she was not in the film version, and Stephanie Mills and MJ, Diana Ross, etc., never appeared together in any production of The Wiz, ever!

 

Raven's ignorance boggles my mind, especially since I'm sure they do some pre-show meetings regarding what they will be discussing.  A few well thought out searches on the internet (other than FB, Twitter and Instagram) should provide her with the resources and information she would need to offer more intelligent opinions.  She is so tech-dependant, why doesn't she use the internet for more than social media??

 

Sorry, folks, she just really annoyed me more than usual today!   :-)

 

I'm with you on all of this.  And also - remakes are never the same as originals.  Of course people are going to be attached to the version they saw first.  The whole idea of this kind of thing is that it's being done AGAIN.  And DIFFERENTLY.  They're never going to be exact copies of what was done before.  What would be the point?  I have seen Chicago on Broadway several times, and love it.  When the movie came out, I knew it wasn't going to be the same as the show.  I knew there would be no Bebe Neuwirth, no feeling of live theater, etc.  But I went to the movie and approached it as a different take on Chicago.  And I liked it.  It was very different, yes.  But it was intended to be.  I prefer the show, but I can like both of them without having to totally reject the movie just because the actors were different.  The live Wiz did not advertise Diana Ross or Michael Jackson as being part of the cast, so Raven knew very well that it was going to be different performers and if she couldn't have an open mind, then she shouldn't have watched.  She certainly didn't have to like it, but her reason seemed pretty narrow-minded to me.

 

And yes, it would be nice if she got her facts straight, but I gave up on that long ago.  She doesn't read, doesn't see an issue with that, doesn't have time for much other than social media and Candy Crush.  (And I say this as someone who loves social media and Candy Crush, but also as someone who strives for balance in my life and is actually interested in other things.  And I'm also not expected to talk intelligently on live TV every day and get paid for it.)

 

I didn't like Raven from the very beginning.  She's ignorant and proudly chooses to be.  Her over-confidence is completely without merit, and annoys me every time I see her.  Someone somewhere told this girl how absolutely fabulous and flawless she is, and she believed it.  The cutesy little expressions and shrugs that she falls back on so often are what bothers me most.  Raven, you are nowhere near as adorable as you seem to think you are.

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Leave it to Joy to gather representatives of the Catholic, Muslim & Jewish faiths to discuss what's going on.  Very good conversation & very enlightening!!

I LOVED that so much. The guests were wonderful, their comments meaningful and on target. I wanted to squeeze the Priest when he so perfectly answered Candace's provocative question about a "war on prayer" during the discussion about the NYDN cover.

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But .... but .... it was the song that was so ... un-good, wasn't it?  Not Carly herself.  Right?  Right?  

 

Well.   Anyway.  That's what I am telling myself.  I can't not love Carly Simon.  I can't!  

 

Sorry, it was all of it.  IMO, anyway.  Terrible song, and she sounded awful.

 

I don't care all that much about the way she looked.   Wouldn't have bothered me at all if the song didn't sound as though a young child had written it in 5 minutes while mindlessly watching cartoons or coloring.   And if it had been even halfway pleasant to listen to.  The whole thing was truly painful.

 

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DebbieM4 said:

Someone somewhere told this girl how absolutely fabulous and flawless she is, and she believed it.  The cutesy little expressions and shrugs that she falls back on so often are what bothers me most.  Raven, you are nowhere near as adorable as you seem to think you are

 

Debbie, I think you have actually hit on something very relative here.  These celebs who started in the business at an early age have been told since childhood that they are adorable and talented little sprouts (insert pat on the head here), which may be true when they're 4, 5, or 6 years old.  The problem becomes that they're accustomed to reveling in this praise when they're kids, and don't know how to work, or can't function without it when they reach adulthood.  Thus the cutsieness, silliness and immaturity gets carried forth because that's what used to get them praise and congratulations.  They grow old, but they just don't grow up.  Raven would be a prime example of this theory!

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DebbieM4 said:

 

Debbie, I think you have actually hit on something very relative here.  These celebs who started in the business at an early age have been told since childhood that they are adorable and talented little sprouts (insert pat on the head here), which may be true when they're 4, 5, or 6 years old.  The problem becomes that they're accustomed to reveling in this praise when they're kids, and don't know how to work, or can't function without it when they reach adulthood.  Thus the cutsieness, silliness and immaturity gets carried forth because that's what used to get them praise and congratulations.  They grow old, but they just don't grow up.  Raven would be a prime example of this theory!

 

I agree, but only to a point.  There are many former child stars who have turned out just fine.  Ron Howard, for example, who started very young, and is someone I have had personal experience with.  He is the exact opposite of Raven in so many ways!  Completely down to earth, intelligent, productive, and someone who has moved forward in his life and accomplished quite a lot.  Very little ego, very little need for praise, super humble.  I have at least a dozen Ron Howard stories that show him in a very admirable light.

 

I know others too - Ron is not the only example.  So I agree somewhat with what you're saying and being a star at a young age certainly could explain Raven to a certain degree.   But IMO it's not an excuse.  Many others have risen above that, and I can't think of even one who is so proudly ignorant and so damn impressed with herself.

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Raven's ignorance boggles my mind, especially since I'm sure they do some pre-show meetings regarding what they will be discussing.  A few well thought out searches on the internet (other than FB, Twitter and Instagram) should provide her with the resources and information she would need to offer more intelligent opinions.  She is so tech-dependant, why doesn't she use the internet for more than social media??

 

Sorry, folks, she just really annoyed me more than usual today!   :-)

 

 

 

And yes, it would be nice if she got her facts straight, but I gave up on that long ago.  She doesn't read, doesn't see an issue with that, doesn't have time for much other than social media and Candy Crush.  (And I say this as someone who loves social media and Candy Crush, but also as someone who strives for balance in my life and is actually interested in other things.  And I'm also not expected to talk intelligently on live TV every day and get paid for it.)

 

I didn't like Raven from the very beginning.  She's ignorant and proudly chooses to be.  Her over-confidence is completely without merit, and annoys me every time I see her.  Someone somewhere told this girl how absolutely fabulous and flawless she is, and she believed it.  The cutesy little expressions and shrugs that she falls back on so often are what bothers me most.  Raven, you are nowhere near as adorable as you seem to think you are.

I thought it was very interesting when she answered that if she had it to do over again, would she be a child star, she said no, especially since it really was never her choice in the first place.  I think there is a special hell for parents who put their children into show business to support the family and her case she was just three years old when her parents quit their job and put their eggs in Raven's basket.     I think there were many many people who  told her how precious she was - she's been hearing it all her life but I also don't think  she was completely off base when she proudly noted that she made it to 30 without a jail record or a drug problem considering the track record of so many child actors in her position.  

 

Raven is clearly completely uneducated and with tens of millions in the bank unfortunately sees no need to change that.  It's pitiful and infuriating at the same time.  I wonder if she really has no idea how to change it;  maybe the most useful thing I learned in college was How To Learn.  Her entire library seems to come from Twitter/Facebook/Instagram etc.  Just her vocabulary alone wouldn't get her a second interview in any other industry.   [the other day she said "wordage" instead of vocabulary, LOL ]    I don't think she's dumb (like I do Sherri) but I do think she's extremely ignorant on almost everything outside of social media.  

 

On the other hand  Candace chimed in with how much fun she had being a kid actor and how no one put any pressure on her at all.  She met her husband at age 18 and was married by 20.   A different kind of sheltered life.    And of course Candace never had the pressure of carrying a very successful show/series like Raven did with her Disney show, or being the sole support of her family.  

 

All that said, Raven absolutely does not belong on a show where the format is to discuss anything but maybe recipes or tweets.  

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Agree Debbie.

IMO Raven is willfully ignorant. Going to college after being a childhood star is not unheard of. Or watching informative tv shows or newspapers. Somehow broadening their knowledge with new challenges.

Good grief, Raven says she is a vegetarian and chows down on chicken. Sigh.

Agree Debbie.

IMO Raven is willfully ignorant. Going to college after being a childhood star is not unheard of. Or watching informative tv shows or newspapers. Somehow broadening their knowledge with new challenges.

Good grief, Raven says she is a vegetarian and chows down on chicken. Sigh.

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I almost never turn the show on anymore, but I still find myself coming back to read this forum and see what I'm missing.

 

I really liked Sara when she did the "internet news" segments for Hoda & Kathie Lee before she left for ABC. She's okay but nothing to write home about.

 

That's where I know her from!!!!    (I saw her one day when I turned on The View and couldn't figure out who she was)

 

I purposely avoid seeing live performances of my favorites from back in the day because most of them, even my beloved Jon Bon Jovi, just can't hit the notes and don't have the voice they did 30 years ago (although that's not really what I love the most about him so I'll still go to a Bon Jovi concert. hee)   . 

 

I'm a longtime Bon Jovi fan, but haven't seen a concert since 2006.  It's sad watching Jon's voice "age" and I'll never get used to his gray hair, but I guess we're all aging, but we're still "Just Older".  :)

 

And to post something on topic, did Whoopi really refer to Paula as "Bitch" ?!!!! 

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I know others too - Ron is not the only example.  So I agree somewhat with what you're saying and being a star at a young age certainly could explain Raven to a certain degree.   But IMO it's not an excuse.  Many others have risen above that, and I can't think of even one who is so proudly ignorant and so damn impressed with herself.

 

 

As my idol and Shining Star says, "Where are the parents?"

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Look what Star Jones and Raven have in common.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/raven-paid-30th-birthday-bash-article-1.2455850 

 

Since Miss Raven doesn't want to spend her millions she made as a child star what did she say on her Facebook page about not being a child star if she had to do it over again. Anybody look it up? I don't have a Facebook account. Instead of answering Joy's question on the show yesterday she tells us to read it on her Facebook page. I wonder if she is also asking the fans for funds for her big party and that is why she wants us to go there.

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Look what Star Jones and Raven have in common.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/raven-paid-30th-birthday-bash-article-1.2455850

 

Since Miss Raven doesn't want to spend her millions she made as a child star what did she say on her Facebook page about not being a child star if she had to do it over again. Anybody look it up? I don't have a Facebook account. Instead of answering Joy's question on the show yesterday she tells us to read it on her Facebook page. I wonder if she is also asking the fans for funds for her big party and that is why she wants us to go there.

No, she hasn't posted anything on her Facebook & I asked yesterday when she was going to do it.  No response.  (Really, I don't care, but slightly curious.)

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No, she hasn't posted anything on her Facebook & I asked yesterday when she was going to do it.  No response.  (Really, I don't care, but slightly curious.)

She is such a phony. She probably just wants us to go over there. If she does post anything please post here. I can't stand the girl most of the time but I'm curious.

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DebbieM4 said:

 

Debbie, I think you have actually hit on something very relative here.  These celebs who started in the business at an early age have been told since childhood that they are adorable and talented little sprouts (insert pat on the head here), which may be true when they're 4, 5, or 6 years old.  The problem becomes that they're accustomed to reveling in this praise when they're kids, and don't know how to work, or can't function without it when they reach adulthood.  Thus the cutsieness, silliness and immaturity gets carried forth because that's what used to get them praise and congratulations.  They grow old, but they just don't grow up.  Raven would be a prime example of this theory!

 

One of the first & biggest child stars was the adorable Shirley Temple, acclaimed for her ringlets, dimples, giggles, & tap dancing.  Yet she managed to grow up, retire from show biz, & lead an exemplary life supporting charitable, social, & political causes with dignity.  It can be done, & such a pleasure when it is.

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I would bet money (if I had any) that Raven' s little rant about the casting of The Wiz was something she read on social media. She relies extensively on Twitter and Facebook . I bet someoneposted that they weren't watching because it could never be as good as the original cast, and Raven decided to take that opinion as her own.

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No, she hasn't posted anything on her Facebook & I asked yesterday when she was going to do it.  No response.  (Really, I don't care, but slightly curious.)

i don't know why she said she would post about that, it sounds more like material for a book.  I'm guessing it's the standard [sadly] plight of a child star who started supporting her family as a preschooler and all the things she missed.

 

And yes there are child stars/actors who end up doing fine, better than fine but I think  that's mostly when the parents are self supporting and so it's a real choice for the child (see: Natalie Portman)  and there are just as many (or more?) child actors that never really transition into functioning adults.  I'm not really sure Raven could be categorized as a functioning adult but I guess she has so much money it doesn't matter.  

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DebbieM4 said:

Debbie, I think you have actually hit on something very relative here.  These celebs who started in the business at an early age have been told since childhood that they are adorable and talented little sprouts (insert pat on the head here), which may be true when they're 4, 5, or 6 years old.  The problem becomes that they're accustomed to reveling in this praise when they're kids, and don't know how to work, or can't function without it when they reach adulthood.  Thus the cutsieness, silliness and immaturity gets carried forth because that's what used to get them praise and congratulations.  They grow old, but they just don't grow up.  Raven would be a prime example of this theory!

 

Just to clarify:  The post above is not mine, and in fact I posted a reply in which I somewhat disagreed with it.  I'm not sure how the quote function got messed up, but I think it was Tunia who wrote it in response to one of my posts.  Just setting the record straight!

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I'm with you on all of this.  And also - remakes are never the same as originals.  Of course people are going to be attached to the version they saw first.  The whole idea of this kind of thing is that it's being done AGAIN.  And DIFFERENTLY.  They're never going to be exact copies of what was done before.  What would be the point?  I have seen Chicago on Broadway several times, and love it.  When the movie came out, I knew it wasn't going to be the same as the show.  I knew there would be no Bebe Neuwirth, no feeling of live theater, etc.  But I went to the movie and approached it as a different take on Chicago.  And I liked it.  It was very different, yes.  But it was intended to be.  I prefer the show, but I can like both of them without having to totally reject the movie just because the actors were different.  The live Wiz did not advertise Diana Ross or Michael Jackson as being part of the cast, so Raven knew very well that it was going to be different performers and if she couldn't have an open mind, then she shouldn't have watched.  She certainly didn't have to like it, but her reason seemed pretty narrow-minded to me.

 

And yes, it would be nice if she got her facts straight, but I gave up on that long ago.  She doesn't read, doesn't see an issue with that, doesn't have time for much other than social media and Candy Crush.  (And I say this as someone who loves social media and Candy Crush, but also as someone who strives for balance in my life and is actually interested in other things.  And I'm also not expected to talk intelligently on live TV every day and get paid for it.)

 

I didn't like Raven from the very beginning.  She's ignorant and proudly chooses to be.  Her over-confidence is completely without merit, and annoys me every time I see her.  Someone somewhere told this girl how absolutely fabulous and flawless she is, and she believed it.  The cutesy little expressions and shrugs that she falls back on so often are what bothers me most.  Raven, you are nowhere near as adorable as you seem to think you are.

 

Honestly, I think that Raven wasn't asked to be in the TV production of The Wiz and she resents that fact.

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Good grief...Raven supported her family from age 3, is worth around $55M, denies her mother a telescope for a mattress because "she doesn't need it."

Hope for RS's B-day party Bounty gives her a few years of paper towels. Poor little bird.

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