B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Ohwell]

On 8/20/2019 at 10:02 PM, mightysparrow said:

Oh and JUSTIN NEEDS A WOMAN. 

✋

[Gudzilla]

Vinnie should get custody of Douglas,

He cares about Douglas' self esteem

He is considerate of others (i.e his neighbors)

He knows how to set ground rules

All in all better character traits than most parents on this show.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

Speaking of Ridge and sons.....I totally forgot about this kid. It's funny how time flies.

https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/bb-alum-anthony-turpel-lands-new-gig/

That kid as the lead of a Love, Simon series? Yeah, I can see it.

[Ohwell]

45 minutes ago, Gudzilla said:

Vinnie should get custody of Douglas,

He cares about Douglas' self esteem

He is considerate of others (i.e his neighbors)

He knows how to set ground rules

All in all better character traits than most parents on this show.

Just stop with the drugs and I'd be down with that.

[nasir jones]

Douglas was looking creepy too.  I sort've expected Amelia to say, "Look at me Douglas!  It's all for you!" before she jumped off a roof.

Edited August 22, 2019 by nasir jones

[tricknasty]

Somebody call Child Protective Services, STAT! That creeper scared me today. Poor Douglas.

[Waldo13]

Raggedy to Liam, “I’m not that foolish”. 😳😳😂😂. 

And the beat goes on. Raggedy wants to take Douglas away from Lurch just like Katie wanted to take Will away from Bill.  But, unlike Bill, Its completely justifiable.  Amanda has delivered the mouse to the snake, and the snake is spitting venom on the mouse. Fuck Lurch to high hell. It’s amazing how that little boy held it together while being berated by that bastard father of his.

[CharlizeCat]

I hkn'

[CharlizeCat]

I hkn

[Joimiaroxeu]

Lol, why was Douglas walking so weird at first in Brooke's living room? It was like he was wearing skates or something.

Vinnie knows Thomas is a wealthy heir to a vaunted fashion empire, right? I don't why he's been arguing with Thomas about paying for food and clothes and his cryptic "stash." Thomas must be that kind of friend who takes advantage with impunity.

And now Hope is talking about taking Thomas' kid. Even if Thomas deserves it, I think the irony is huge given what she just went through with Beth. She stays deciding how other people should live their lives.

Dear Bradley Bell: Where TF did you get the idea the audience wanted to see an adult abusing a child? This is not entertainment, it's the daytime TV version of torture porn. Stop it.

Quote

JUSTIN NEEDS A WOMAN.  

I thought he and Donna were hanging out?

[CharlizeCat]

Wow! Sorry about the computer hiccups above. Have no idea what happened.

Speaking of ... so Liam was actually working today. So, does he do IT for FC? I am really confused

I think it's just a wee bit early for Hope to be suggesting that she and Liam take in Douglas. Wouldn't a court give a child to grandparents before a second cousin? But I agree with Hope that Brooke and Ridge are probably through with raising kids. 

Best lines:

Thomas:  "Douglas would you rather stay here and spend time with me or go to the zoo?"

Douglas (without a beat): "Zoo."

Vinnie:  "I don't have a maid to clean up around here."

Thomas: "Don't you have a girlfriend?" (Then he tried to walk that shit back.)

Thomas definitely has the crazy going for him, but he probably learned manipulation and bullying at the hands of his old man.  I HATE the way Sludge gets up in Brooke's face and shouts at her or grabs her by the arm. Good for Brooke for standing up to that brute today when he was defending his psychotic POS son ... again. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by CharlizeCat

[Joimiaroxeu]

Quote

I HATE the way Sludge gets up in Brooke's face and shouts at her or grabs her by the arm.

That's one of main reasons why I don't want to see Brooke and Ridge get custody of Douglas. IMO Ridge has no self-awareness about his bully-ish behavior or how his parenting skills have largely failed his adult children. Why should he get another kid to screw up? I'm so hoping the "big twist" is that Caroline is still alive so she can come get Douglas. (Apparently the actress is still on DAYS though. Would they let B&B "borrow" her back for a day or so?)

Quote

Thomas: "Don't you have a girlfriend?" (Then he tried to walk that shit back.)

When Thomas said that my mind went right to the Ariana Grande song:  🎶Break up with your girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I'm bored🎶 And then the next line in the song takes a turn...🙄

Edited August 23, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[TigerLynx]

I know Thomas is psycho, but what is with Hope and Brooke deciding who gets Douglas?  Liam was right about there being a lot of people (Karen, Ridge, Bill, Steffy, etc.) who might want custody of Douglas.  However, before ANYONE gets custody of Douglas, they have to prove Thomas to be an unfit parent.  Just like the police will have to gather evidence and prove Thomas had something to do with Emma's death.  {face palm}

I do love how the writers have just skipped over everything else in this SL, and it's only about Hope and Liam have Beth back, the baby thieves are in jail, the liars have been exposed, and psycho Thomas.  No mention of Hope's PTSD/depression, Hope kicking Liam to the curb again, no mention of Hope's insistence that Liam needed to be with Steffy and the girls (Kelly and Phoebe/Beth), etc.

I think it would be funny if Steffy got custody of Douglas, Liam questioned if Steffy, after everything that happened with Phoebe/Beth, is ready for something like that, and for Steffy to tell Liam, "Kelly, Phoebe and I were fine for months without you, Kelly, Douglas and I will be fine."

[Anna Yolei]

On 8/22/2019 at 5:45 PM, CharlizeCat said:

I think it's just a wee bit early for Hope to be suggesting that she and Liam take in Douglas. Wouldn't a court give a child to grandparents before a second cousin? But I agree with Hope that Brooke and Ridge are probably through with raising kids

Luckily, Douglas has two sane grandmothers on the other end of the country and far away from these nutjobs.

Even though it's not Hope's right to step in, I'm glad  she's being shown to still care about Douglas and not forget he exists now that she has Beth back.

On 8/22/2019 at 6:54 PM, TigerLynx said:

do love how the writers have just skipped over everything else in this SL, and it's only about Hope and Liam have Beth back, the baby thieves are in jail, the liars have been exposed, and psycho Thomas.  No mention of Hope's PTSD/depression, Hope kicking Liam to the curb again, no mention of Hope's insistence that Liam needed to be with Steffy and the girls (Kelly and Phoebe/Beth), etc.

Where the hell has Steffy been on all this? I get they want to give Hope all of the moments to make up for the months of nothing we sat through (or didn't sit through, considering the fan outrage has been unanimous) but she still lost a child regardless of what her though process was getting a baby so soon after the first. 

Thomas is her brother and was often her partner in her many, many crimes. Since Taylor is one again MIA and Ridge has story mandated amnesia about what a "good kid" Thomas actually is, Steffy should be right next to Hope chewing his ass out.

While Susan Flannery has expressed that she's enjoying retirement and doesn't want to be what John Abbott is to Y&R, I'd paid good money for Stephanie to come back like Taylor did. Except for being like all saintly and angelic, Stephanie is full of WTF looks and bitch slaps for her male progeny starting with her grandson for treating his sister like that. And maybe box Liam's ears again like she did that one time...I mostly tolerate him these days but that scene was hilarious and hey, reinforcement against his waffling ways can't hurt.

And hey, I guess she can extend sympathy and comfort to Steffy since no one else in her family will.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Anna Yolei

[LittleIggy]

I literally cheered when they showed Thomas wearing a shirt!

Yeah, that babysitter is an idiot. She should have gone straight to Brooke and Ridge with that address.

Douglas looks like a kindergarten Spock with that haircut.

Edited August 23, 2019 by LittleIggy

[RuntheTable]

Watching those scenes; I couldn't help but wonder how the guy playing Thomas feels about it. I don't know anything about him, not even his real name, and he is probably a perfectly nice person in real life, maybe with kids of his own. I am sure it was really tough for him to go at a young child like that. And I thought Douglas did a good job with facial expressions. For someone so young he does so well reading the scene and playing the room. 

But that was gut wrenching, and I am not talking about the yelling. I am talking about the words. Such terrible emotional and mental abuse. Unless Thomas goes away for a long time, and not to prison, but to a psych ward, he should never be granted custody of his son. 

So, we get some powerful introspection from Ridge yesterday. The thing is, I don't really remember him being all that bad as a parent. He was always present in the TayTots lives. He was there for them through both of their mother's deaths. I mean, Ridge is Ridge of course, but I just can't remember him ever dissing his kids with Taylor. 

I don't have any issue with folks stepping up with concern about Douglas. The fact that he has so many people ready and willing to parent him gives me peace of mind. I'm sure they are going to take some infuriating route about a "temporary mental breakdown", or roid rage, or some other "soap opera disease" for Thomas, that will allow him to be redeemed and regain custody of his son. 

Where are Steffy and Taylor? They should both be involved in the fallout from this SL. It feels weirdly flat and unfinished. Maybe once we get this Thomas mess squared away the focus will shift back to Dr. Dark and his henchwoman. I have this terrible feeling though, that all that will go down off screen. Oh, and fuckers better address Emma. 

[Gam2]

Okay, Hope and Liam (plus some others) don’t know where Tom is or what he’s capable of now that he’s gone off of the rails but hey! It’s fine for Hope to go over to Steffy’s by herself with no security protection because there’s no way that Tom could ever show up at his sister’s house, right? Do these writers have any common sense at all? Don’t they know or care that their viewers are going to see the huge holes in their scripts just like this one? Argh. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Quote

I am sure it was really tough for him to go at a young child like that. And I thought Douglas did a good job with facial expressions. For someone so young he does so well reading the scene and playing the room. 

I've seen elsewhere that some viewers think the actor who plays Douglas taped most of his reactions to Thomas separately, likely to minimize any possible trauma. I'll have to pay closer attention today to see if it looks that way but I sure would hope that's what the director did. The little boy seems like quite the trooper but the whole scenario is a bit much even for many of the people who are just watching it on TV and know it's fake.

[ByaNose]

It looked like there was only one "two" shot of Thomas & Douglas. I think the actor has mentioned he and the little actor joke in between scenes. That said, final shots of them looked to be separate and the Douglas putting his hands up in front of his face looked like he was in the scene by himself. I'm sure TPTB are careful about stuff like this and Brad Bell is a parent himself. I do agree that Taylor should be back in this storyline. After all, she is the one who bought the baby. Does she even know?

[NinjaPenguins]

Well, at least the rapey, obsessed, child abusing nitwit put on a shirt to hector his son for doing the right thing and sponge off his drug dealer host. Credit to Thomas for keeping it classy, I guess. 

I hope Bell isn’t going to attempt to gloss over Chesty’s abhorrent behavior with ‘roid rage, a psychotic break, or childhood trauma from watching that maneater Brooke steal his perfect fambly from his frequently dead mother. Those may be reasons, but they aren’t excuses.

i also don’t have a problem with people discussing custody of Douglas. It’s going to be necessary sooner rather than later. Now, it’s probably a little presumptuous of Hope to assume she and Liam should raise him, and I hope the grandmothers in New York are considered an option. 

[RuntheTable]

55 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I've seen elsewhere that some viewers think the actor who plays Douglas taped most of his reactions to Thomas separately, likely to minimize any possible trauma.

Yes, this is probably the case. I was so focused on that young boy's face and Thomas towering over him, that I didn't pick up on the scene's being shot separately. Makes perfect sense and makes me feel tons better!

18 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I hope Bell isn’t going to attempt to gloss over Chesty’s abhorrent behavior with ‘roid rage, a psychotic break, or childhood trauma from watching that maneater Brooke steal his perfect fambly from his frequently dead mother. Those may be reasons, but they aren’t excuses.

Oh, that is funny! And you just know that is exactly what they are gonna do.........

[TigerLynx]

3 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

So, we get some powerful introspection from Ridge yesterday. The thing is, I don't really remember him being all that bad as a parent. He was always present in the TayTots lives. He was there for them through both of their mother's deaths. I mean, Ridge is Ridge of course, but I just can't remember him ever dissing his kids with Taylor. 

Ridge was a good father.  It was one of his few good traits.  Ridge and Taylor didn't have any children the first time Taylor died.  The Taytots were born after Taylor's first death and before her second death.  Ridge never left Taylor for Brooke.  Brooke tried everything she could to get Ridge to leave Taylor, and he wouldn't.  After Taylor died the second time, Ridge and Brooke got together, and supposedly had a happy family with Thomas, Steffy, Phoebe, Hope and RJ.  Ridge loved Hope to.  All of that has been rewritten because apparently Brad Bell and the writers think the current SL plays better.  Because everyone being a selfish jerk complaining about how their parents failed them, so it's okay it they fail their kids, and commit crimes is so much better.  It might be if anyone ever faced any consequences, but so far most of them get a free pass.

2 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Okay, Hope and Liam (plus some others) don’t know where Tom is or what he’s capable of now that he’s gone off of the rails but hey! It’s fine for Hope to go over to Steffy’s by herself with no security protection because there’s no way that Tom could ever show up at his sister’s house, right? Do these writers have any common sense at all? Don’t they know or care that their viewers are going to see the huge holes in their scripts just like this one? Argh. 

No.

I don't need to see everything played out on screen, but there needs to be some references to a DNA test being done on Phoebe/Beth, the DA talking to the doctor who says her signature was forged, Dr. Reese and Flo admitting what they did, the DA making deals with Zoe and Xander for their testimony (because they are accessories after the fact and guilty of obstructing justice).  Hope wants to undo Phoebe/Beth's adoption and have it declared invalid so they will need evidence and people's testimony.  The writers don't have to drag it out, but some of the characters saying everything has been given to the judge, the judge has approved the DA's pleas bargains with the lying despicable baby thieves, etc.

[RuntheTable]

30 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Ridge and Taylor didn't have any children the first time Taylor died

I totally forgot this! Taylor got pregnant with Thomas after her first return from the dead and tried to pawn him off as Thorne's. And Ridge left Brooke and went back to Taylor after discovering he was actually the child's father. 

Yes, back when the show was so, so good. 

[Cool Breeze]

Ridge as a bad father only started with TK in one of his first scenes where he said all he did was "write checks for the occasional sports car" for his kids.  That is such a load of crap.  And complete disservice to a character we actually saw parenting, as a widowed single parent no less.  A parent who later reprimanded and punished his own daughter (Steffy) for her childish crap pulled on company time (Ho For the Future).  

Ugh.  Ridge was probably the best parent on this show.

[Ohwell]

I've forgotten so much of the Ridge/Taylor/Brooke history and now my head is spinning reading their histories.  

[mightysparrow]

GOOD FOR YOU, BROOKE!!!!!

Push that child-abusing, gaslighting, raping, KILLER off that fucking cliff!  He had his hands on your child!  If Ridge has the NERVE to say a fucking word, shove his greasy ass over the side too!

I couldn't believe Ridge these last few episodes.  He actually had the nerve to act devastated when Hope told him that she was annulling her marriage to Thomas.  What is wrong with Ridge and Taylor?  Why are they so fixated on keeping Liam in Hauxdilox's bed?  How many times does that ship have to sail before they realize it's the TITANIC?!?!

I agree with those people who say that Ridge was a good father before TK took over.  He wasn't just a good father to his children, he was a good father to Brooke's children as well.  That's part of the reason why I dislike TK so much.  In his hands, Ridge has become a BRUTE and it's disgusting to watch. 

The scenes between Thomas and Douglas were hard to take.  Anyone who has suffered at the hands of an abuser would be disgusted.  It's not just the violence.  It's the self-pitying apologies when YOU'RE the one trying to make your abuser feel better.  Thomas MIGHT love his son, but he loves himself SO MUCH MORE.

It was so strange having Hope in Hauxdi's house without Hauxdi being there.  The absence of both Hauxdilox and her killer Mommy leaves a big hole in this story.  I get that it's to make sure that Hauxdi is held completely blameless in all this but SOMEBODY needs to ask about the drive-thru adoption/purchase of Beth.  Taylor didn't present herself to Dr. Shady as someone desperately looking for a child to love and raise after having exhausted all other avenues.  She presented herself as a woman DESPERATE for revenge over the hated Logans and willing to pay ANY price to get that revenge.  That needs to be mentioned.  Hauxdilox ignored her firstborn because she was so thirsty to trap Liam and Kelly hadn't done the trick.  She put all her focus on Phoebeth because that baby was her last ditch effort to get Liam back between her legs. 

Maybe Ridge can adopt Vinnie.  He'd still have a ne'er do well for a son but at least Vinnie has a sliver of decency.  Which is more than can be said about Thomas OR Ridge,

[IOU Payne]

Quote

Maybe Ridge can adopt Vinnie.  He'd still have a ne'er do well for a son but at least Vinnie has a sliver of decency.  Which is more than can be said about Thomas OR Ridge,

He could actually be Vinnie Marone.  Makes as much sense as Loganizing Flo, right?

[bannana]

The look that Ridge gave Brook was kind of blah, but the glare she shot back at him was pretty defiant and angry.  Oh yeah, this is going to be good. 

 

[jenrising]

But Amelia is definitely fired, right? RIGHT?

[mightysparrow]

9 minutes ago, jenrising said:

But Amelia is definitely fired, right? RIGHT?

That simple bitch should never be allowed within a mile of another child.

[Joimiaroxeu]

I can't with Hope getting all aggro with Ridge about how she was annulling her marriage and nobody was going to change her mind. Hope, Ridge has met you before. We all have. I'm gonna start calling you Lil Hope X.

Douglas is so pure of heart. And a tiny little therapist too it seems. But he needs to learn when to stop running his mouth. 😕

Um, Brooke, if you were so worried about Thomas getting violent with Hope maybe you should've called the police. Teleportation technology does not yet exist in 2019. Both you and Ridge might have gotten there too late.

Hmm, is this B&B's low-rent take on Big Little Lies?

Quote

But Amelia is definitely fired, right? RIGHT? 

She better be. I don't know how they could ever trust her judgment again. She's lucky Douglas isn't hurt, at least not physically.

[mightysparrow]

19 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Um, Brooke, if you were so worried about Thomas getting violent with Hope maybe you should've called the police. Teleportation technology does not yet exist in 2019. Both you and Ridge might have gotten there too late.

With the way Ridge carried on over the police being interested in Thomas for Emma's death, I can see why she didn't call the police.  Once again, Brooke put Ridge's feelings first, even over the safety of her own daughter.  I hope this whole ugly mess has made Brooke realize that any association with Ridge and his Taytots is bad for ANYONE unfortunate to come into contact with them.

[Waldo13]

Does Ridge actually think that Raggedy should stay married to Lurch?  Of course he does.  Ridge is not only dumb he’s stupid. Ridge should have gone back with Amelia.  

Space Time Continuum be damned, full speed ahead.  Hollywood to Malibu in seconds not minutes. Holmby Hills to Malibu in seconds not minutes.  

Brooke accidentally pushing Lurch over the bluff is reminiscent of Bill accidentally pushing Caroline over the balcony.  At least when Quinn pushed Deacon, he landed in the water.  Caroline’s plunge gave her a better personality. Will it do the same for Lurch? 

[Anna Yolei]

5 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

Ridge as a bad father only started with TK in one of his first scenes where he said all he did was "write checks for the occasional sports car" for his kids.  That is such a load of crap.  And complete disservice to a character we actually saw parenting, as a widowed single parent no less.  A parent who later reprimanded and punished his own daughter (Steffy) for her childish crap pulled on company time (Ho For the Future).  

Ugh.  Ridge was probably the best parent on this show.

I really find little fault in Old Ridge's parenting. He was by far the most neutral party in that whole Hope and Steffy mess back in the day. I could never see that version of Ridge making excuses for his son like that. He was kinda easy on him about nearly killing Rick but it was months after Phoebe and Rick was open about using Steffy so I sorta get that one. 

But that before the Boinkberry lie, Rape Night and now child abuse. Just cut the fucker loose at this point. My opinion of Ridge would go up so much if he cut this brat off.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

couldn't believe Ridge these last few episodes.  He actually had the nerve to act devastated when Hope told him that she was annulling her marriage to Thomas.  What is wrong with Ridge and Taylor?  Why are they so fixated on keeping Liam in Hauxdilox's bed?  How many times does that ship have to sail before they realize it's the TITANIC?!?!

That's absolutely on brand to the POS Ridge Forrester is.

It's always puzzled me why any Steffy fan would want her being a second choice. Every time she's gotten with Liam was because Hope had cut him off or Bill gift wrapped him to her, but he never really chose her--not even when she married Wyatt and he spent months whining and simpering about Big Bad Quinn instead of actively going for her. Compare that with his concern for Hope throughout all of this ordeal.

Steffy deserves better. It's too bad her egomaniac parents don't see it.

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

Brooke accidentally pushing Lurch over the bluff is reminiscent of Bill accidentally pushing Caroline over the balcony. 

And when Ridge and Rick fought and Rick fell over the FC gym/outdoor dining balcony. Complete with the whining about how Ridge done them wrong and they can continue to be a shitty human being because of it.

To which I speak for everyone when I say: GROW. THE FUCK. UP.

[lightninggirl]

2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I can't with Hope getting all aggro with Ridge about how she was annulling her marriage and nobody was going to change her mind. Hope, Ridge has met you before. We all have. I'm gonna start calling you Lil Hope X.

Um, Brooke, if you were so worried about Thomas getting violent with Hope maybe you should've called the police. Teleportation technology does not yet exist in 2019. Both you and Ridge might have gotten there too late.

I was really hoping that Thomas would get in the middle of a tug-of-war between Dope and Brooke as the three were fighting and his Brute Force™ would accidentally launch them both over the cliff - and I don't even like Thomas!
Dope and her hypocrite of a mother are SO insufferable and I have never, ever been able to stand either one of them (and I've watched B&B since literally its first episode), and Thomas has been parading around shirtless for what seems like two whole weeks so why not give him a chance to use the muscles we've been forced to stare at? 
(I mean, not that I *really* minded because Matthew Atkinson without a shirt is not a horrible thing to look at)

[mightysparrow]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

But that before the Boinkberry lie, Rape Night and now child abuse. Just cut the fucker loose at this point. My opinion of Ridge would go up so much if he cut this brat off.

It's amazing that Ridge is willing to cover for Thomas considering that Thomas sexually assaulted Ridge's wife. 

But then I remember that Ridge did the EXACT SAME THING to his brother's wife and I realize that the apple doesn't fall to far from the monstrous tree it fell from. 

Say what you will about Ronnnnnnnn Moss' acting but he had enough charm and charisma to make all the horrible stuff Ridge did palatable.  TK doesn't have a drop of charm or charisma as Ridge, even though I've seen him interviewed and he seems like a nice enough man. 

I have a feeling we're going to witness a lot of 'my boy, MY POOR BOY' from Ridge as TK mounts his own campaign for an Emmy.

[ByaNose]

I will say that Brad Bell sure gets a lot use out of his house and it’s free. No wonder CBS loves him. 

[ByTor]

13 hours ago, lightninggirl said:

I was really hoping that Thomas would get in the middle of a tug-of-war between Dope and Brooke as the three were fighting and his Brute Force™ would accidentally launch them both over the cliff - and I don't even like Thomas!

I love Hope & Brooke, but this comment made me LOL, I totally get how it feels to have characters annoy you so much *cough RickGrimes cough*

13 hours ago, lightninggirl said:

(I mean, not that I *really* minded because Matthew Atkinson without a shirt is not a horrible thing to look at)

Not a bad thing at all 🙂 .   However, being totally petty, I just wish he had his longer hair back.

[TigerLynx]

18 hours ago, Ohwell said:

I've forgotten so much of the Ridge/Taylor/Brooke history and now my head is spinning reading their histories.  

At least the first few go arounds were entertaining and Taylor and Brooke weren't complete doormats.  Also, I enjoyed seeing Taylor dump Ridge for first Storm and then Blake.  It should be noted that when Ridge married Caroline, Brooke was upset, but she did not continue to chase after him the way she did when Ridge married Taylor.

16 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

She better be. I don't know how they could ever trust her judgment again. She's lucky Douglas isn't hurt, at least not physically.

To be fair to Amelia, she has no legal right to keep Thomas away from Douglas.  However, the minute she walked out that apartment door, she should have called Ridge and Brooke then stayed right outside the door to make sure Doulas was okay.  Under the law, if Amelia had then believed Douglas was in danger, she could have intervened.  Problem is, I don't think Amelia would be a physical match up against psycho Thomas.

[sugarbaker design]

One of my favorite old-school so-bad-its-good BB scenes is when Ridge and Rick are fighting on a rooftop, Rick, of course goes flying off the roof.  Ridge then leans over the railing and yells "RICK!!!".  The scene was so horrifically acted it was featured on Talk Soup.

So I was expecting Ridge to peek over that hedge and yell "THOMAS!!!"

[Joimiaroxeu]

Quote

To be fair to Amelia, she has no legal right to keep Thomas away from Douglas. 

She also was not compelled to take Douglas to Thomas at some random place when she knew what was going on with Thomas and his family. She could've been more concerned about Douglas the child's safety and told Thomas the adult to come to the house to see his kid. However, Amelia already had a pattern of doing Thomas' bidding because she's thrilled to get attention from him. IMO, she's trash and no longer a good option for nanny of any of the Forrester children.

[TigerLynx]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

She also was not compelled to take Douglas to Thomas at some random place when she knew what was going on with Thomas and his family. She could've been more concerned about Douglas the child's safety and told Thomas the adult to come to the house to see his kid. However, Amelia already had a pattern of doing Thomas' bidding because she's thrilled to get attention from him. IMO, she's trash and no longer a good option for nanny of any of the Forrester children.

Nothing has been proven, and Ridge and Brooke can't legally keep Douglas from Thomas either.  It would be custodial interference rather then kidnapping.  Since Hope wants to annul her marriage to Thomas on the grounds of fraud, and she wants to invalidate Phoebe/Beth's adoption, Justin is going to have to file the papers with the court.  The judge could have then issued a material witness arrest warrant for Thomas.  Apparently, the writers can't be bothered with any of that so they just had Ridge declare Zoe and Xander liars, but not guilty, and Flo and Dr. Reese guilty.  {face palm}

Also, Xander's accusations against Thomas would now be suspect since he was fired from FC, and couldn't be bothered to come forward to the police with anything he knew until after that happened.  All of these people are despicable idiots.

[Anna Yolei]

25 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Also, Xander's accusations against Thomas would now be suspect since he was fired from FC, and couldn't be bothered to come forward to the police with anything he knew until after that happened. 

Which is why I hope he went to the police before showing his face at FC. Whatever career he had is over anyway and his cousin Mays isn't going to lift a finger to defend him.

....that reminds me, wasn't there supposed to have been some off-screen Raya divorce? I remember a story about that ages ago but I can't remember that being brought up in any of Maya's last few apperances.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Quote

Nothing has been proven, and Ridge and Brooke can't legally keep Douglas from Thomas either.  It would be custodial interference rather then kidnapping.

I didn't say anything about keeping Douglas and Thomas from seeing each other. I said I didn't think Amelia should've taken Douglas to some random spot without anyone's knowledge while Thomas appears to be trying to avoid questions about his involvement in several potential crimes. All the legal stuff like custodial interference, annulments, possible vehicular manslaughter, etc. will take time to work through by the police and the justice system. Meanwhile, I'm thinking everyone should focus more on Douglas' immediate safety, especially when it's now known Thomas has been abusing him. (They just don't know to what extent yet.) I don't think it's unreasonable to tell Thomas if he wants to see his son, come to the house where his son lives. Now if Thomas shows up and takes Douglas away then that's his right.

Quote

Which is why I hope he went to the police before showing his face at FC.

Yeah, the timing of Lt. Whatshisface showing up asking questions is iffy but we don't know when Xander went to the police. Maybe he did it during that time when he left for a while after Thomas threatened him.  Maybe the police just now got around to following up on it. Either way, it doesn't make whatever Xander told the police necessarily untrue, it just makes his motives for speaking up look questionable. The police have to do their jobs and find out the truth about the accident. Thomas hiding out and refusing to speak to them or his family to clear things up--at least from his perspective--made him look suspect, I think.

I guess it doesn't matter much anyway given what showed up in the spoiler thread.

Spoiler

The excuses are already being made for Thomas. He's going to skate on everything, I bet.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[SimoneS]

Chiming in about who gets custody of Douglas. I don't care how unrealistic it is, I want Hope and Liam to get custody. I love that kid who plays Douglas. The only real shot of Brad Bell keeping him around and giving him airtime is if he is in the midst of the neverending Hope/Liam/Steffy triangle.

No doubt that Bell is going to try to either redeem Thomas or extend the "Thomas is evil" story. Whatever happens, he needs to be careful. I was on YT watching the Thomas/Douglas scenes and there were some really upset and angry comments about Thomas verbally abusing Douglas.

After watching those scenes, I think that it is possible that the scenes with Thomas yelling at Douglas were filmed separately. I noticed that some of the shots were really tight and the actors were only shown together for a couple of moments. 

Edited August 25, 2019 by SimoneS

[RuntheTable]

I can feel a rage blackout coming.

Thomas should not have been the one to go over that cliff. I know that sounds terrible coming from a Brooke/Hope supporter, but I can see where we are going with this. Now the slate will be wiped clean. Now it will all be about saving Thomas’s life, and what the heck if he did some bad things, we aren’t going to concern ourselves with those pesky little details, anyway, that will all be forgiven and forgotten if only he wakes up.

And, of course, it had to be Brooke right? And, of course, she got to Cliff House first and, of course, Ridge got there just in time to see Brooke shove Thomas. And this, all on the heels of Brooke bringing up Rick, and her expressing concern over Thomas’s mental health. Oh, you Fuckers!

The whole focus will shift now. It will shift to Brooke and attempted murder. We will have Ridge, Steffy, and possibly Taylor, spewing anger and venom on those hated Logan women. I am not, and never have been a Bridge supporter, but this is not how I wanted this incarnation to end. I wanted them to break up organically; for reasons that would stick. Not because Ridge is thinking Brooke wanted some type of payback for Rick, or because she thought Thomas was going to hurt Hope, and deliberately, and with malice, shoved his son over a cliff.

I also have no doubt, and further pissing me off, that Thomas will wake up cured. He will have been the benefactor of the “Soap Opera Cliff Diving Cure”, just like Ridge lost his ability to draw after his swim in the Gulf, Thomas will wake up and will not remember a thing that happened, so that means he shouldn’t be punished for his crimes right?

I just cannot believe that we suffered through this horrible SL (well, at least my fellow posters did), and the payoff is going to be another “Brooke is a bad girl” piece of crap ending. Particularly after she has been the only one, other than Liam, that has been willing to lay voice to her concerns about Thomas. I don't want to see Brooke in stipes because she was trying to save her daughter. I don't want to see her behind bars or in a courtroom either. I want to see Reece and Flo paying for their terrible crimes. 

As angry as I am, there was still some good stuff today. I thought the scenes with Thomas and Douglas were so well done. I am totally down with a child being the one to break through a parent’s fugue state. The fact that Douglas was able to reach his father says something. And as much as I am not a fan of the actor playing Thomas, I still think he did good work in those scenes. And that little boy playing Douglas just continues to amaze me. The other good thing was Brooke’s death glare at Ridge when he was completely disallowing her concerns about Thomas.

Edited August 25, 2019 by RuntheTable

[mightysparrow]

1 hour ago, RuntheTable said:

I can feel a rage blackout coming.

Thomas should not have been the one to go over that cliff. I know that sounds terrible coming from a Brooke/Hope supporter, but I can see where we are going with this. Now the slate will be wiped clean. Now it will all be about saving Thomas’s life, and what the heck if he did some bad things, we aren’t going to concern ourselves with those pesky little details, anyway, that will all be forgiven and forgotten if only he wakes up.

And, of course, it had to be Brooke right? And, of course, she got to Cliff House first and, of course, Ridge got there just in time to she Brooke shove Thomas. And this, all on the heels of Brooke bringing up Rick, and her expressing concern over Thomas’s mental health. Oh, you Fuckers!

The whole focus will shift now. It will shift to Brooke and attempted murder. We will have Ridge, Steffy, and possibly Taylor, spewing anger and venom on those hated Logan women. I am not, and never have been a Bridge supporter, but this is not how I wanted this incarnation to end. I wanted them to break up organically; for reasons that would stick. Not because Ridge is thinking Brooke wanted some type of payback for Rick, or because she thought Thomas was going to hurt Hope, and deliberately, and with malice, shoved his son over a cliff.

I also have no doubt, and further pissing me off, that Thomas will wake up cured. He will have been the benefactor of the “Soap Opera Cliff Diving Cure”, just like Ridge lost his ability to draw after his swim in the Gulf, Thomas will wake up and will not remember a thing that happened, so that means he shouldn’t be punished for his crimes right?

I just cannot believe that we suffered through this horrible SL (well, at least my fellow posters did), and the payoff is going to be another “Brooke is a bad girl” piece of crap ending. Particularly after she has been the only one, other than Liam, that has been willing to lay voice to her concerns about Thomas. I don't want to see Brooke in stipes because she was trying to save her daughter. I don't want to see her behind bars or in a courtroom either. I want to see Reece and Flo paying for their terrible crimes. 

As angry as I am, there was still some good stuff today. I thought the scenes with Thomas and Douglas were so well done. I am totally down with a child being the one to break through a parent’s fugue state. The fact that Douglas was able to reach his father says something. And as much as I am not a fan of the actor playing Thomas, I still think he did good work in those scenes. And that little boy playing Douglas just continues to amaze me. The other good thing was Brooke’s death glare at Ridge when he was completely disallowing her concerns about Thomas.

Oh, I hear you loud and clear, @RuntheTable.  This is going to make the Phoebeth story line look like Masterpiece Theatre.  The fuckery is going to come thick and fast.

If Ridge fixes his mouth to say a fucking word to Brooke, I hope she tosses his greasy, messy ass over the side as well.  THAT would be the perfect ending to Bridge, a pairing that should have ended YEARS ago.

I love Hope but if she starts blaming herself for what happened to Thomas, I think I'm going to be done.

There's a belief system at B&B that needs to end NOW.  The belief that it's okay for a man to put his hands on a woman, manipulate her, pressure and coerce her into sex/relationship, drug her and sexually assault her AS LONG AS HE LOVES HER.  It helps if the woman in question isn't a popular character, like Hope.  So Thomas isn't a sick child abuser, liar, rapist, KILLER.  He's just a man in love.  This has been going on since the very beginning and IT'S ENOUGH. 

Anyone who thinks that Thomas is a good guy at heart needs to flash back to his face as he stood over Emma's wrecked car.

What adds insult to injury is that Ridge doesn't give a fuck about Thomas.  He was in a dick-measuring contest with him over Caroline a few years ago.  He just wants Thomas to keep Hope out of the Liam sweepstakes.  This is all about Haudixlox.  Ridge is fixated on Liam fucking Hauxdi, because he CAN'T.

FUCKERY

[TigerLynx]

2 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

Thomas should not have been the one to go over that cliff. I know that sounds terrible coming from a Brooke/Hope supporter, but I can see where we are going with this. Now the slate will be wiped clean. Now it will all be about saving Thomas’s life, and what the heck if he did some bad things, we aren’t going to concern ourselves with those pesky little details, anyway, that will all be forgiven and forgotten if only he wakes up.

Thomas should never have been part of this SL in the first place.  Dr. Reese and Flo stole Hope and Liam's baby.  Zoe, Flo, and Xander had the same stupid conversation for months, and did nothing.  Thomas came in at the tail end of the story, and he is now the bad guy.  Liam got to make a few snarky comments to Flo, Ridge and Brooke got to say a few things to Zoe, Xander, Flo and Shana, and Hope got to slap Flo.  That's it.  There has been no real payoff for this SL at all.  It's the same thing Brad Bell has been doing for years.  If the writers do try to redeem Thomas, it will only last until Brad Bell decides he wants to do another "shocking twist" like kill off another legacy child.

[mightysparrow]

The Taytots are going to leave another corpse in their path on the road to redemption.  Remember Ally.  She was also a legacy child.  The daughter of Thorne and Darla, two important characters in B&B history. 

Ally was treated like roadkill.  Left on the side of the road while the 'Poor Steffy' chorus went into high gear. 

The whole Marone clan; Ridge, Taylor (god forbid), Steffy and Thomas are going to line up and talk about how Evil Bridge ruined their lives by taking dear old daddy away from them.  It doesn't matter that it isn't true.  Just that blaming Brooke is a tried and true method of changing the plot.  There are enough people out there willing to blame Brooke for global warming.  Blaming her for the plot to buy and sell her own grand-daughter will be easy.