B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[ByTor]

Aly wasn't particularly nice to Maya

 

When was this?

[thewhiteowl]

But honestly IMO she's (Aly) been legit acting like a tiny sociopath. How are they supposed to treat her? Frankly Maya didn't know about Aly's axe wielding past and Aly wasn't particularly nice to Maya, nor was that self-satisfied asshole Ivy so why on earth should Maya be benevolent to either of them? Love the Melrose reference!

I am very sensitive to this issue because there are only two black women on the show and I feel like Maya is held accountable by a lot of people who seem to me to have let Caroline's treatment of Maya slide. I am very sensitive to the notion of a black character that can do a fraction of what a white character can do (Caroline) and be held accountable while it seems a white character is excused, particularly with what is taking place in the U.S.A right now it is a very sore sore subject.

Yes, Maya was complicit in Rick's bullying but complicit and not an acting, proactive factor and not aware of how fucking crazy this lunatic was beforehand as Rick was.So then why is Caroline permitted to be a raging asshole and not Maya?

It scares me how accountable she (Maya) is being held as a result, when someone like Caroline can solicit her into porn, disparage and degrade her,incite salacious scenes and trick her into scenarios that screw up her relationship and seemingly not be seen as duplicitous but Maya is held as a sanctimonious bitch. It scares and disturbs me as a black woman and particularly now.

 

  When I know I'm sensitive to a certain issue, I step back from requiring everyone to also be sensitive to it because it's impossible to demand everyone watch the show through my eyes. Just a thought.  Caroline behaved badly and was eventually forgiven by most of the audience and I'm sure Maya will be also. Especially since the PTB are working so terribly hard to make sure she's awash in sympathy and bravery. I also know I'm allowed to hate her forever if I chose to do so. : )

[Whitley Trillbert]

So just by soap and story standards, it looks like Aly will make her move at the fashion show coming up. I wonder who will be caught in the crossfire ?

[KLovestoShop]

Why is Waffles having any input into designing ANYTHING at Forrester? I had no idea that he's a trained clothing designer. Will wonders never cease?

Despite the fact that I don't like the crazy Aly storyline, she sure plays a great BSC.

Edited July 8, 2015 by KLovestoShop

[tessaray]

But honestly IMO she's (Aly) been legit acting like a tiny sociopath. How are they supposed to treat her? Frankly Maya didn't know about Aly's axe wielding past and Aly wasn't particularly nice to Maya, nor was that self-satisfied asshole Ivy so why on earth should Maya be benevolent to either of them? Love the Melrose reference!

I am very sensitive to this issue because there are only two black women on the show and I feel like Maya is held accountable by a lot of people who seem to me to have let Caroline's treatment of Maya slide. I am very sensitive to the notion of a black character that can do a fraction of what a white character can do (Caroline) and be held accountable while it seems a white character is excused, particularly with what is taking place in the U.S.A right now it is a very sore sore subject.

Yes, Maya was complicit in Rick's bullying but complicit and not an acting, proactive factor and not aware of how fucking crazy this lunatic was beforehand as Rick was.So then why is Caroline permitted to be a raging asshole and not Maya?

It scares me how accountable she (Maya) is being held as a result, when someone like Caroline can solicit her into porn, disparage and degrade her,incite salacious scenes and trick her into scenarios that screw up her relationship and seemingly not be seen as duplicitous but Maya is held as a sanctimonious bitch. It scares and disturbs me as a black woman and particularly now.

 

Once upon a time, soaps used to at least acknowledge race, even though most of them didn't go a good job of handling it. B&B seems to handle race by pretending it doesn't exist, from what I see.  Maybe it's easier for the audience to just put the disparities between the characters to class, since Caroline is part of a core family and gets away with stuff an outsider from a non-core family can't.

 

But I never saw Caroline do any of those things (except I do recall a snide "Myrna" comment back when I first started watching and that was because Maya seemed to be making eyes at a very married Rick) so they seem very OOC for who she is now.  I'm in the same sort of situation though because now the show expects me to just forget everything Maya did this last year because now she's rootable.  I do hope they give us more amicable Maya/Caroline scenes just to reinforce the fact that they've both moved on (so maybe we can, too).    

 

KM did look very pretty in that black and white dress yesterday.  Or was that the day before?  

[slayer2]

 

The only thing I can come up with is that Liam must possess a slammin schlong, a real jacked up jammer, because there is not much else going on with this guy.

 

This line (and many in the post) is pure genius. I do have to say though if that is all he has going for him (which at this point must be the case) I don't see how it's worth it.

 

 

But I never saw Caroline do any of those things (except I do recall a snide "Myrna" comment back when I first started watching and that was because Maya seemed to be making eyes at a very married Rick) so they seem very OOC for who she is now.  I'm in the same sort of situation though because now the show expects me to just forget everything Maya did this last year because now she's rootable.  I do hope they give us more amicable Maya/Caroline scenes just to reinforce the fact that they've both moved on (so maybe we can, too).

 

The writing definitely doesn't support accountability I so agree. I'm glad Maya and Caroline are now able to be respectful of one another as well, whatever it took to get there I guess.

 

 

When I know I'm sensitive to a certain issue, I step back from requiring everyone to also be sensitive to it because it's impossible to demand everyone watch the show through my eyes.

 

 

At no point did I infer that. I was simply sharing my opinion.

 

 

Once upon a time, soaps used to at least acknowledge race, even though most of them didn't go a good job of handling it. B&B seems to handle race by pretending it doesn't exist, from what I see.  Maybe it's easier for the audience to just put the disparities between the characters to class, since Caroline is part of a core family and gets away with stuff an outsider from a non-core family can't.

 

It seems to me to be this way. I think they swapped out the race issue for the class issue, even the way $Bill speaks to her compared to how he speaks to or deals with any of the other women on the show. Constantly threatening her with jail time whenever he wants to break up her and Rick, he had the same treatment (or worse)with Quinn (and as I understand it) Amber, where he treated them as subhumans as though they were expendable and the one thing the three women have in common is that they don't come from money.

Edited July 8, 2015 by slayer2

[Anna Yolei]

When I know I'm sensitive to a certain issue, I step back from requiring everyone to also be sensitive to it because it's impossible to demand everyone watch the show through my eyes. Just a thought. Caroline behaved badly and was eventually forgiven by most of the audience and I'm sure Maya will be also. Especially since the PTB are working so terribly hard to make sure she's awash in sympathy and bravery. I also know I'm allowed to hate her forever if I chose to do so. : )

All of this. It seems like Maya is being given an equally free pass at her nasty behavior for being trans. But that's par the course for B&B, of their designated saint getting slaps on the wrists. Taylor killed Darla and covered it up for months all the while dating Thorne and she's still revered as a model of virtue by everyone that isn't Aly. Brooke shouldn't have any kind of relationship with Bridget at all. And Steph certainly shouldn't have had Brooke at her deathbed unless the latter was covering her face with a pillow.

Speaking for myself,I thought Caroline was well over the top in her shitty treatment of Maya, but not because it was a rich white girl going after a poor homeless black girl, but because this is B&B and all women care about is keeping their worthless ass man's attention to the exclusion of all dignity (see also Ivy Forrester). Even if this show shifted to have more minorities on the show,I don't see that changing.

Once upon a time, soaps used to at least acknowledge race, even though most of them didn't go a good job of handling it. B&B seems to handle race by pretending it doesn't exist, from what I see.  Maybe it's easier for the audience to just put the disparities between the characters to class, since Caroline is part of a core family and gets away with stuff an outsider from a non-core family can't.

B&B has always been so whitewashed that in the time I've been watching they've hardly had reason to address it.

That being said, it was ridiculous after Marcus was brought in as Donna's son from her reconned teen pregnancy and then Justin was cast six months later as her high school boyfriend and no one could connect the dots. But then,that whole "scandal" of Eric Forrester's wife/former sister in law having a baby in high school was pretty eye roll worthy in its own right.

Edited July 8, 2015 by Anna Yolei

[politichick]

Question: Was it actually formally decided that Liam is going to date both Steffy and Ivy? What a pile of crap. Plus, he seems to only have eyes for S.

[tessaray]

That being said, it was ridiculous after Marcus was brought in as Donna's son from her reconned teen pregnancy and then Justin was cast six months later as her high school boyfriend and no one could connect the dots. But then,that whole "scandal" of Eric Forrester's wife/former sister in law having a baby in high school was pretty eye roll worthy in its own right.

 

Justin and Donna have a kid?  I don't think I've ever seen them in the same scene together. 

[swtrgrl]

Be thankful you missed the years after Ridge's paternity was revealed that gave us Rick dating both Phoebe and Steffy, Thomas dating Hope (briefly) and the worst SL in the history of The Bold and the Beautiful, Ridge falling for Bridget....who is not only Brooke's daughter with Eric but is named after Ridge because she was believed for YEARS to be his daughter.

Granted, the pool could be widened but no one is dating non-blood relatives anymore. Gotta pick your battles. :/

I didn't miss those years. Been watching since the Rick/Amber days. Flipped the channels at lunch one day and saw her ugly cry. Been "watching" ever since.

Y&R also has this problem. It's a general soap issue but the Bell's are guilty more than other show runners.

 

Taylor killed Darla and covered it up for months all the while dating Thorne and she's still revered as a model of virtue by everyone that isn't Aly.

This is one reason I don't hate on annoying Aly. She doesn't worship at the alter of Saint Taylor. Nor does she have any fucks to give about "Forgetting" the hypocrisy and bullshit the others spew/get away with. Edited July 8, 2015 by swtrgrl

[Whitley Trillbert]

Justin and Donna have a kid?  I don't think I've ever seen them in the same scene together. 

They were a thing. It was pretty frontburner and then suddenly dropped 

[tessaray]

Question: Was it actually formally decided that Liam is going to date both Steffy and Ivy? What a pile of crap. Plus, he seems to only have eyes for S.

 

This has been very clumsily written.  First Ivy had her dignity and appeared to be going to bow out and then her father gave her the "don't give up" pep talk.  But Liam said flat out he was still in love with Steffy even before the annulment.  I don't see any dignified way to date a guy who is in "love" with his former wife.

 

OTOH, I don't mind Wyatt and Ivy bonding.  The actors have a nice chemistry.

 

 

They were a thing. It was pretty frontburner and then suddenly dropped 

 

Not sure why but I thought Justin was younger.  Not that I've seen him that much but I wouldn't mind him having a story that didn't involve $Bill.

[ByTor]

Justin and Donna have a kid?  I don't think I've ever seen them in the same scene together.

Oh yeah. After they found Marcus, they rediscovered each other and were married (although pretty briefly).

[SweePea59]

Why is Waffles having any input into designing ANYTHING at Forrester? I had no idea that he's a trained clothing designer. Will wonders never cease?

Sadly, in the real world, loads of people with no design experience or creativity do get to have input. Sometimes all designers get to do is execute other people's bad ideas. Which then other people find a way to make worse and the designer then has to make those changes. I don't sound too bitter, do I? ;)

[Joimiaroxeu]

B&B seems to handle race by pretending it doesn't exist, from what I see.

For the most part, yeah. However, last week when Nicole found out that Zende was a Forrester, she initially had a hard time connecting the dots that he was adopted. She seemed to have assumed that his non-Forrester parent was Black, based on his appearance. I was really surprised the show went that route instead of just having him tell her upfront or her find out on her own.

 

Maybe it's easier for the audience to just put the disparities between the characters to class, since Caroline is part of a core family and gets away with stuff an outsider from a non-core family can't.

I imagine that's what the writers have intended but for a while, IMO, at least some of Caroline's behavior toward Maya was racial (i.e., the "Myrna" crap). At least the writers eventually put a stop to that nonsense. I'm fine with Caroline or whoever being a snob but think it's possible to do that while not being disrespectful of people's cultural histories.

 

At least B&B isn't as bad as Y&R where pretty much every new woman of color casted is matched with one of the two Black male characters (and usually gets passed from one to other like a hand-me-down suit).

 

Was it actually formally decided that Liam is going to date both Steffy and Ivy?

Wyatt stated at the 4th of July party that the four of them would be dating each other. No one contradicted him so apparently it's an understanding they all have.

[minirth]

The Rhombus of Suck has been fully resuscitated for the remains of the summer.

*falls over laughing*

That is even better than the Quad of Doom! I love it!!! (The phrase, that is. Not the damn story.)

If I could ask a hypothetical and pointless question, what the unholy fuck is going on with this show? Last night I caug up on the last two weeks, and it's as if they decided to erase the past 6-12 months for Liam, Ivy, Steffy, and Aly. I've been watching consistently since before Stephanie died, and I saw with my own damn eyes the evolution of the Liam/Ivy relationship. I saw Liam turn Steffy down flat when she made being with her a condition of helping with the takeover. Now he's suddenly treating Ivy as if they've been casually dating for a couple of months and Steffy as if she's the love of his life! And they keep trying to destroy Ivy's dignity, which I don't understand. I am deeply grateful that she had the dignity to tell Liam the truth about her citizenship, but where is her hurt and anger?

As for Steffy, someone a while back said that they had realized they only liked Steffy when compared to Hope. I'm starting to have the same problem. I LOVED Steffy with Bill, and I really think they should revisit that the next time Bill and Katie's marriage gets boring. And I was Team Steffy during the H/L/S Triangle of Pathos and Woe, because I loathed Hope. But current Steffy makes me want to stop watching the show. I cannot watch her scenes with Liam at all. Maybe the problem is Liam -- every woman he's with loses their essential self and sense of humor and becomes a pod person. I don't know. I just find her to be completely unappealing and unrootable. And shellacked. No one that young needs makeup that hard.

Aly, Aly, Aly. Why must they do such terrible things to her glorious hair? Free Aly's hair!!! And wouldn't it be far more realistic for her to dress in modern, modest, season-appropriate clothing rather than, as someone brilliantly pointed out, looking like a refuge from a fundamentalist splinter group? With her background and immersion in the fashion culture that goes along with being a Forrestor, she should be wearing old Hope for the Future clothes as a protest statement. I have no problem with her still hating Taylor, and by extension, Steffy, because Taylor is the worst, but I did think her dismissing Steffy's pain at losing her TWIN SISTER was compeltely beyond the pale.

I'm loving Ridge/Caroline, I liked the Caroline/Maya reconciliation scenes, and I thought both ladies turned in a fine performance. I liked that Caroline didn't back down from her opinion that Maya is a liar and hypocrite, but nevertheless found a way around that to embrace Maya as a strong, beautiful woman. I thought the scenes with Maya/Nicole/Mama were very good. And that's all the good I've got to say, I fear. (I've enjoyed the lack of Brooke, can't leave that out!)

[ByTor]

IMO, at least some of Caroline's behavior toward Maya was racial (i.e., the "Myrna" crap).

I have never seen this as remotely racist. If you've ever seen the show "Bewitched," the witch Samantha was married to Darren, and Samantha's mother hated him and refused to call him by his name, always referring to him as something like "Derwood" (and they were all white). This is what I think is the dynamic the writers were going for. Edited July 8, 2015 by ByTor

[ByTor]

current Steffy makes me want to stop watching the show. I cannot watch her scenes with Liam at all. Maybe the problem is Liam -- every woman he's with loses their essential self and sense of humor and becomes a pod person. I don't know. I just find her to be completely unappealing and unrootable.

That's a good point I never considered> I actually did like Steffy when she was with Marcus, and I still liked her when she was in that awful pairing with Rick.

[tricknasty]

Whew! For a minute there I thought they were going to insert Nicole and Zende into the Quad of Suck.

[tessaray]

For the most part, yeah. However, last week when Nicole found out that Zende was a Forrester, she initially had a hard time connecting the dots that he was adopted. She seemed to have assumed that his non-Forrester parent was Black, based on his appearance. I was really surprised the show went that route instead of just having him tell her upfront or her find out on her own.

 

I imagine that's what the writers have intended but for a while, IMO, at least some of Caroline's behavior toward Maya was racial (i.e., the "Myrna" crap). At least the writers eventually put a stop to that nonsense. I'm fine with Caroline or whoever being a snob but think it's possible to do that while not being disrespectful of people's cultural histories.

 

I admit I enjoyed Nicole floundering around, not being able to ask the obvious question straight out. :-) 

 

"Myrna" didn't strike me as a racist thing, just a snobbish, condescending thing but then I wasn't there for the storyline.  Considering how they write this show, I doubt there was any racist intent but I can see how it could get taken that way. 

 

ETA:  I'll admit to being more or less oblivious to the "Myrna" subtext until reading Joimiaroxeu's post.  But names do have power and while the legacy of slavery wasn't what came to mind for me, there are still plenty of people who use them to demean others, especially with nicknames.   

Edited July 8, 2015 by tessaray

[Gudzilla]

What show am I watching when Katie is the voice of reason ?

 

and for those who may not have seen this before.

 

[Joimiaroxeu]

I really like Maya's peplum top. Meanwhile, Nicole looked downright preppy today instead of like the street urchin I think she usually resembles.

 

Shut up, Nicole. You were perfectly happy to be using Wyatt for private jet rides and (underage) drinking parties on the Malibu beach. Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to give up Maya's secret. I give Wyatt credit for not taking his seduction of you to it's common conclusion.

 

I get it now. Maya is Rick's ego massager and Nick is hers.

 

Poor Aly, she's so alone in her despair. Maya was rather insightful today about what Aly's going through. Wonder if she'll realize it and try to reach out to her? Aly's probably too far gone to accept any compassion from Maya at this point though.

 

Oh look, it's busybody Katie showing up to give unsolicited advice again. Doesn't she have a toddler to raise and a company to run?

 

This is what I think is the dynamic the writers were going for.

Perhaps it was but attempts don't always equal success.

 

I think there's a very different context to having a White woman disdaining a Black woman by refusing to call her by her proper name, versus a White woman doing it to her White son-in-law. Unless Maya's family isn't descended from slaves, odds are extremely good that her ancestors had their African names taken from them and replaced with whatever. IMO (and trust me, I'm not an outlier on this), it's disrespectful to Maya's cultural history as an African American woman to call her anything other than what she chooses to call herself (or allow other people to call her, e.g., nicknames). In fact, I think it's disrespectful to do that to anyone regardless of their race, unless they agree to it.

 

I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't realize how wrongly the "Myrna" thing could be taken within the specific context. I note however that once it started getting complained about here and elsewhere, that writing was stopped dead in its tracks.

[CountryGirl]

I found myself nodding my head when Katie was talking. That hasn't happened...EVER.

 

Seriously, Ivy needs to drop Waffles FlipFlop McLame like yesterday's garbage and take a look around and see that there's Carter (yummy yum yum!) and Wyatt (a good friend/confidante and can bring it in the bedroom as St Hope could attest). For her to scrounge for soggy Waffle crumbs is pathetic and decries her "I have too much dignity" speech.

 

This is about as bad as the time that Thorne, Macy, and Karen moved in together and the ladies fought over Thorne, including getting into a physical food fight of all things. I wish I was kidding. Have some self-respect, Ivy!  This could be in YOUR future.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjikiTz92QA 

[blackwing]

Is Jennifer Gareis still on contract?  I know the show is still pretending she is in town, we saw Rick call out his office door to Donna and asked her to hold his calls.  But why isn't she actually on the show?  I'd rather see Donna than Pam and Charlie.

 

I don't think I saw anyone mention this.  I saw this scene quickly so maybe I misinterpreted it, but who was the blonde man who had a map to the stars?  I thought it was Nick, Maya's friend, and then I also thought it was Prick Marone and shuddered.  But now I'm thinking it was just a nobody who sold a map to Maya and Nicole's mom?  They seemed to focus on him a tad longer than necessary.

[Waldo13]

Is it my imagination or does Ivy get more beautiful every day. Instead of "Son of Sam, with a dog causing his mania, we have "Daughter of Darla" and the floating head. Just a parable because Aly hasn't killed anyone YET.

Ivy, just start dating Wyatt or Carter and see how fast Liam's head will explode.

After reading all the comments from Caroline fans and Maya fans, I have to say that I'm a little offended B&B has not incorporated many other minority and religious group characters. One religious group, in fact, is very big in the fashion and garment industry. In addition, many many people who came through Ellis Island, via Europe, had their names changed without their consent. Just saying.

[SweePea59]

Well, Sally had Saul.

[Joimiaroxeu]

In addition, many many people who came through Ellis Island, via Europe, had their names changed without their consent. Just saying.

Yes, and I think it would be equally problematic if the show had a character making fun of one of their names too.

[ByTor]

Someone made fun of Saul's name?

[Artsda]

Wyatt was great today calling out Liam on his treatment of Ivy. He's kissing Ivy one second and kissing Steffy the next. Liam needs to man up. I don't understand why any woman wants his wishy washy self.

[Anna Yolei]

In addition, many many people who came through Ellis Island, via Europe, had their names changed without their consent.

That still happens,mostly by clerical errors. A Ukrainian guy I worked with was named Cyrill (or something similar sounding) and was named something that wasn't even close to that,and his last name now includes a silent "H". I guess I should be glad that i only get my common "C" name constantly misspelled with a "K" at Starbucks :p

[Cupid Stunt]

Wow, for a minute there I thought Mayass was going to sincerely apologize for the way she treated Ivy. But nooo. It was "don't live in the past." Hypocrite. Wasn't she whining about the way her parents treated her? She has no empathy for anyone else except her co-dependent butt kisser Rick.

And, yeah, why hasn't anyone called Thorne about his daughter's obvious breakdown?

 

I have no problem with Maya throwing shade at Ivy. After all, Ivy actively conspired with Liam, Wyatt and $Bill to damage Rick and/or Forrester Creations with her transgender status so Ivy could get a better deal with Liam at the helm of FC. That was a miscalculation for Ivy; she got carte blanche with her jewelry line, but she lost Waffles to a drag queen.

 

Why the Forrester's talk about their concerns but do nothing, particularly weak links like Ally, is a mystery to me. It's obvious she's off her pins.

 

  

 

 

WAFFLES!

Edited July 9, 2015 by Cupid Stunt

[grisgris]

B&B is just a fictitious entertainment show. 

[ByTor]

B&B is just a fictitious entertainment show.

Well...at least they try on the entertainment front 8-)

[blackwing]

Bradley Bell is obsessed and infatuated with Scott Clifton and the character of Beady Eyes Waffles even more than he was obsessed and infatuated with Ronnnnnnn Mossssss and Ridge. I suppose I can understand slightly about Ronnnnnn, he apparently has some worldwide following. But I'm not really sure what the appeal of Scott Clifton is. Bradley wants him so badly, he wants to have his babies. I don't get it.

[Anna Yolei]

Ronn Moss was already kinda famous for his music before B&B, no?

At any rate, he had a totally different energy and was backed by decent writing and even better actors, notably Susan Flannery. Ridge was written as a guy with strong values, even if those "values" were that of a typical 20-something playboy with the world at his fingertips.

Liam OTOH, I've mostly had to fill in the blanks. For the longest, I used to head canon that he just bounced to whichever one of the Idiocy Twins was less drama that week for his own sanity. But then here comes Ivy that's supposedly drama free AND cool with premarital sex...and out of nowhere he leaves her for a Bratz doll? At least when Brooke and Taylor left good mates for Ridge, they'd actually had good times together than didn't involve manipulation.

[LittleIggy]

I have never seen this as remotely racist. If you've ever seen the show "Bewitched," the witch Samantha was married to Darren, and Samantha's mother hated him and refused to call him by his name, always referring to him as something like "Derwood" (and they were all white). This is what I think is the dynamic the writers were going for.

I didn't see it as racist either. I think people are going overboard here.

I have no problem with Maya throwing shade at Ivy.

I meant "Aly" not Ivy.

Edited July 9, 2015 by LittleIggy

[ByaNose]

I just saw a picture of Ronn Moss with gray hair. He looked amazing. It was 100% better than the dyed squirrel he had on the top of his head during his last 10 years on the show. He wasn't a great actor but I'm surprised he hasn't landed on another soap. He had 25 years with a huge following. A lot of that was overseas but still. As for Liam, he really looks like a child still trying to grow a beard. I'm not sure if he is the same age as Moss was when he started the show but Moss was a man and Clifton is really a little boy with bug eyes.

[ByTor]

I was under the impression that after being involved in a car accident & seeing life as too short, Ronn Moss decided to take an indefinite break from the acting to travel and do !!!fun!!! things.

[SweePea59]

All I know is that I miss RM as Ridge.

 

I used to think that Ridge and Brooke were perfectly cast together because you couldn't tell which one was the worse actor. But I guess after fifteen years or so I got used to them.

 

Scott Clifton is a good actor. I enjoy all of his scenes except when he's in these wretched triangles. Then I don't know what he's trying to convey with his blank stares and waffling ways. Maybe SC doesn't get Liam's motivation? Doesn't know what it's like to the objet of affection or adored? Or just can't believe it himself? RM may not have had SC's acting chops but he understood being in love with two women and being a prize to be fought over. I know the writing's different, but since SC is so much better in his other scenes I have to put some of this on him. And let's face it, SC doesn't have the kinds of looks that RM has. RM is bold and beautiful (visually, not commenting on anyone's inner beauty) and SC is a competent actor but doesn't convey boldness and beauty. I think that's why it's hard to see him as a lead on this show.

 

ETA: Am I just stating the obvious here?

Edited July 9, 2015 by SweePea59

[RuntheTable]

I really enjoyed that episode; there certainly was a lot going on. So, I guess we are to take it then that Katie and Ivy have become pals? Cool beans! The one thing B&B has always failed at is female friendships, and in this case, Katie was dispensing good advice to Ivy. I guess the question is, will Ivy listen to dad or her friend? I think Liam is making it pretty darn clear where, and with who, he wants to spend his time. 

 

I wanted to smack the taste right out of Liam's mouth yesterday. Wyatt is expressing concern for Ivy, and Liam assumes it is some type of ploy for Wyatt to get Steffy? WTF? I was so glad that Wyatt shot that nonsense down, and made Liam look a chump in the process. It is beyond squicky, the way Liam goes from office to office feeling his way to romantic success with whatever female happens to be there. 

 

It was nice to see Wyatt trying to make amends with Nicole. I don't want to see them pursue them as a couple because of......well........Zende, but I have always liked Wyatt, and this helps me forgive him for being a jerk. 

 

I don't like Steffy, but I was glad to hear her voice concern for Ally. Now, if only someone, anyone, would act on what is clearly a major breakdown with reality. That was some good stuff with the juxtaposition of Maya's words over Ally's actions. It kind of made me mad at Maya all over again though. Maya grew up feeling on the outside too. She should have been able to see the signs, and been more gentle and caring with Ally, but she was in the throes of Rick worship, and if humiliating Ally was his game, then she was going to play right along with him. Maybe Ally's regression will be the catalyst for Maya? Maybe it will be what forces her to acknowledge how badly she and Rick treated the girl? Clearly something is going to happen, now that The Creepy Floaty Darla Head of Wisdom has gone to the dark side. And Ashlyn Pearce? Wow, this young lady is surly bringing the crazy. The show would be foolish to let such a promising young talent go just to bring back JMW, who couldn't act her way out of her own plasticized face. 

 

I found that scene with Wyatt and Ivy so sweet! Nothing more than him complementing her and putting a necklace on her, but there was more going on in that scene than I have ever picked up on between Liam and Steffy. It all seems so forced and in your face. I feel like there should be a neon sign hanging above them as they canoodle with scrolling sayings like "hey, look at us, we are the "cool" couple!", or "how hot are we?" Liam and Steffy are gonna make for a very long summer. 

 

The only thing I can come up with is that Liam must possess a slammin schlong, a real jacked up jammer, because there is not much else going on with this guy.

 

 

 

 

This line (and many in the post) is pure genius. I do have to say though if that is all he has going for him (which at this point must be the case) I don't see how it's worth it.

 

 

 

Thanks slayer2! 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=YjikiTz92QA

 

 

Ah man, did that ever make my heart hurt for the old days! I so remember that scene just like it was yesterday. Karen, Macy and Thorne was one of my favorite SLs. 

 

Is it my imagination or does Ivy get more beautiful every day.

 

 

If it is, we are sharing your imagination. 

Edited July 9, 2015 by RuntheTable

[KLovestoShop]

I find it tough to believe that when the character of Liam was being cast, they couldn't find a better looking, more masculine actor, especially knowing how many unemployed actors are running around NY and LA. Personally, I find SC to be a skinny, weenie looking guy, that in reality, wouldn't attract hyper sexual woman like the Steffi character.

Unlike so many, I just can't stand Ridge and Caroline together. I know, people don't seem to mid the whole May/November age difference, but I just can't cotton to these two (just like I can't understand the 33 year age difference between Billy Joel and his new wife, who's only four years older than his daughter). While I kind of miss Ronn, I don't miss his awful hair that always reminded me of a Frakenstein do.

[NinjaPenguins]

I will never miss Ronnn Moss. You know what else I will never miss once it goes away? Flashbacks to that fucking Aspen wedding. Bell loves him some fucking Aspen wedding. I wonder if he pats himself on the back for creating that shitpile every single time they show it, thinking it's like the edgiest, coolest daytime wedding evah? Steffy's rival being locked in a gondola is never shown. Huh.

Scott Clifton seems like a decent actor, but his acting choices in scenes with Steffy are just not good. Liam babbles like a badger on bath salts and spits his words out rapid fire. Is that supposed to be cute and flirty? Liam and Steffy step all over each other's dialogue, which may be an attempt to show how they finish each other's sentences or something like that, but it's just goddamned annoying and makes all their conversations seem inorganic and forced.

I like Wyatt and Ivy together. They have a nice vibe compared to another couple who shall remain nameless, Liam and Steffy.

It would be nice to see Maya and Aly connect and for Maya to help Aly cope with feeling like an outsider. That could redeem Maya's behavior toward Aly without being sappy and over the top. Rick still needs to issue a real apology, no strings attached. I don't care that Aly hoped to get a shoe line out of enduring his b.s.; he should still feel ashamed of his own actions.

[nkotb]

I haven't commented for a few days, but I've been impressed with the one-liners on a few of this week's shows. Ridge's "you're both annoying" RE Steffy & Maya (said to Steffy, which made it all the better!), and Rick's "I'm in the room", RE Aly's complaining about how awful he was. I'm also glad that they included a scene with Wyatt and Nicole, and that they actually showed the awkwardness and anger Nicole had towards him. I like Wyatt, but he deserved everything that she said to him, and way more.

 

I'm amazed at how well AP is handling Aly's unraveling. The show has a real find with her, much like LG, and I hope they utilize her skills. She's got me terrified, entertained (who on this board hasn't fantasized about scratching out Taylor &/or Steffy's eyes??) and concerned all within 5 seconds. She's good.

 

I wanted to point out something on the Caroline/Maya disrespect, that I hope that I can articulate accurately. I loved, loved, loved Maya when she first came on - save for the "Far-rester" pronunciation - and I hated Caroline for being mean to her, just because Rick chose Maya. Fast-forward to after Raya broke up, Caroline and Rick were together (married), as were Maya and Carter (engaged). They were both boring couples in my opinion, however, Maya threw herself at Caroline's husband, Rick, in the steam room, then made it her mission to inform Rick about Caroline and Ridge's transgression, when she really wasn't sure there was one. Caroline was awful to her at that time, too. The way I saw it, Caroline was rude and disrespectful to Maya because she saw Maya as involving herself in Caroline's relationship with Napoleon. I truly didn't see it as a racial thing, because I think she would've treated anyone of any color that way if said woman involved herself in Caroline's relationship the way Maya did. Contrast that to the way Maya lorded over everyone during Napoleon's reign of terror, when she was horrible to both Aly & Ivy, who really hadn't done much to her (I acknowledge that they were catty, but they weren't catty to the level that they deserved the way they were treated, IMO). I'm not justifying Caroline's disrespect of Maya, but I'm just saying that for me, the difference is that Maya personally involved herself in Caroline's life, which wound up altering all of their lives, whereas Maya was horrible to people just because she could be, if that makes sense.

Edited July 9, 2015 by nkotb

[ByTor]

Unlike so many, I just can't stand Ridge and Caroline together.

You're not alone, I'll pull up a chair at the table.

[Cupid Stunt]

 

Cupid Stunt, on 08 Jul 2015 - 6:33 PM, said:

I have no problem with Maya throwing shade at Ivy.

 

LittleIggy quote

I meant "Aly" not Ivy.

 

Gotcha', LittleIggy.

 

Maya brushing off Ally was to avoid getting into another Ally Hectors The Libertines From Her Pulpit, since Ally emotional reactions are on automatic. Upper management isn't being proactive to curb her Hate Of A Thousand Suns harangues, and Ally attacks anyone that doesn't agree with her viewpoint on the moral direction of Forrester Creations. She's yelling at sensualists about being self-absorbed and sexually wanton -- The girl does not know her audience. At. All.

 

Reducing contact and moving on was the best way to deal with Ally when the Forrester's don't act to protect her from herself.

[Anna Yolei]

Unlike so many, I just can't stand Ridge and Caroline together.

I've grown to accept them, but I wouldn't be especially upset if they split tomorrow or anything. The weirdest thing about that pairing is that Ridge was once married to the aunt she was named after but considering Bridget I consider it a step up.

Plus, it broke up the revengemance that was the almost completely forgotten Ridge/Katie, so that was a plus.

[NinjaPenguins]

Liam and Steffy, please do fuck off. You're not sitting there working and bouncing ideas off each other. You are talking endlessly about yourselves and your FUN relationship in a self-congratulatory tone while rubbing your scents on each other.

 

Unless there's a kidnapping afoot, I don't see how Mr. Avant can force Nicole to go home.

[tessaray]

I find it tough to believe that when the character of Liam was being cast, they couldn't find a better looking, more masculine actor, especially knowing how many unemployed actors are running around NY and LA. Personally, I find SC to be a skinny, weenie looking guy, that in reality, wouldn't attract hyper sexual woman like the Steffi character.

Unlike so many, I just can't stand Ridge and Caroline together. I know, people don't seem to mid the whole May/November age difference, but I just can't cotton to these two (just like I can't understand the 33 year age difference between Billy Joel and his new wife, who's only four years older than his daughter). While I kind of miss Ronn, I don't miss his awful hair that always reminded me of a Frakenstein do.

 

I watch B&B on my phone most of the time but once in  awhile I see it on tv and Liam's scraggly facial hair really, really bugs me in HD.  

 

I don't mind a well done May/December romance and I was riveted by the CarRidge chemistry in the beginning. True chemistry like that is so rare.  They are still cute together but LG's accident threw the pacing of the story off and now I don't really care as much.  Maybe I'll be more interested once the inevitable problems start coming up.  I'm resigned to the triangle that will no doubt happen but I'd rather see the conflicts between 2 people who do love each other but are at different stages in their lives.

[Waldo13]

Unless there's a kidnapping afoot, I don't see how Mr. Avant can force Nicole to go home.

Stand firm Nicole and stick to your guns for your overbearing father will continue to mentally abuse you.

Speaking of Nicole's and Maya's father, I don't care if you black, red, yellow, pink, blue or white, you do not have the right to call someone a freak. That is an out and out slur and IMO just as bad as any racial slur.

Wyatt to Liam - "pick a lane" could be the title of Liam's biography. Wyatt and Ivy flirting and not really realizing it was heartwarming.

I feel bad for Maya having parents that don't accept her but I still don't give her a pass as to how she treated people and the excuse of wanting to stand by her man does not fly. Of all people, Maya should have been aware of other people's feelings and how she hated to be bullied and treated as a non entity or less than zero.

As with Ridge/Caroline, Maya/Rick, or anyone else, you love who you love and age, race, religion, etc doesn't make any difference.

[Cupid Stunt]

Liam and Steffy, please do fuck off. You're not sitting there working and bouncing ideas off each other. You are talking endlessly about yourselves and your FUN relationship in a self-congratulatory tone while rubbing your scents on each other.

 

They are so monotonous. Fuck each other already!

 

 

Are they done yet?

 

 

Unless there's a kidnapping afoot, I don't see how Mr. Avant can force Nicole to go home.

 

Maybe Ally and the Avant's can join forces, pitch a tent in Forrester Creations parking lot and have themselves a Come To Jesús revival meeting, embarrassing Nicole back to the hinterlands while generating another round of bad publicity for FCs new fashion line, California Decadence ... er ... California Freedom.