Popular Post Sasha888 January 8, 2022 Popular Post Share January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Roslyn said: ""Giving grace means giving ourselves and others permission to be God's work in progress."" ""How do you give someone grace? Choose to not respond in kind when someone is rude to you – let it go. Be present when they're in need of support. Forgive. Understand that each person, even the “worst” person, is doing the best she is capable of at the moment, with the resources she has available to her."" First let me point out my intent here is to snark on the Browns, not Roslyn, who merely posted what she found out about "giving grace" from doing a Google search. It's just convenient for me to quote it to make my point. ALL of these concepts are right in the BIBLE! These people want to come off as so religious, yet none of them appear to have read THAT particular book (too busy twisting scriptures about plural marriage, I guess). For instance, "Choose not to respond in kind" is just "Turn the other cheek" reworded. They're also just common sense concepts that anyone, religious or not, has practiced for centuries. Who doesn't understand simple things like that people aren't perfect, and that being kind and forgiving is going to be necessary if you want to get along with people? The Browns and many other people are frustrating to me with this nonsense...someone rewords a few common sense concepts, gives the concept a new buzzword type of name, and writes a book of platitudes about it, and morons from all over run out to jump on the band wagon and can't wait to tell you about the "new" thing they've discovered. Guess what idiots...the rest of us have known about these things for some time. And to bring it back to Meri, in particular, since this is her thread...she is missing the point, as usual. She talks very little about giving grace to others...the majority of the time if she brings it up, she's wanting others to give her grace, or talking about giving herself grace. I can't count how many times I've heard her say "You've got to give yourself grace!" Grace and forgiveness aren't a free pass to act however you want towards others, then be forgiven. No, you shouldn't beat yourself up, but the point of this concept is also to point this kindness and forgiveness outward, not just inward. 1 26 Link to comment
deirdra January 8, 2022 Share January 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sasha888 said: Grace and forgiveness aren't a free pass to act however you want towards others, then be forgiven. No, you shouldn't beat yourself up, but the point of this concept is also to point this kindness and forgiveness outward, not just inward. The majority of people will forgive others for a simple mistake or even one big mistake and give them second chances. Problems occur when they do not learn from their mistakes or make any attempt to change their behaviour. Those who feel they have been repeatedly disrespected or taken advantage of tend to stay away. So Meri is alone. Edited January 8, 2022 by deirdra 19 Link to comment
Cetacean January 8, 2022 Share January 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, deirdra said: Problems occur when they do not learn from their mistakes or make any attempt to change their behaviour. Or refuse to admit that they have made one. 1 17 Link to comment
LilyD January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 21 hours ago, Rabbit Hutch said: Meri needs to get involved with helping others through volunteer work. If she focused on others instead of herself all of the time, maybe then she would find a little happiness, and a new man. She's so far up her on butt, so sad. You know we're talking about Meri here, right? She's almost a match for Kody when it comes to being self-entered and over-estimating her self-importance. Meri can't focus on others, let alone help others without expecting something in return. She just can't... 13 Link to comment
ginger90 January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 Fridays with Friends video, including Robyn: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYdEAIBBx9K/ 5 Link to comment
Ms.Lulu January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ginger90 said: Fridays with Friends video, including Robyn: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYdEAIBBx9K/ Thank you Ginger90. I tried to watch it, but it was like watching drunk people--lots of giddiness and not very entertaining. I did like that Kody likes to play cover your assets with kids. And he probably loses. Edited January 9, 2022 by Ms.Lulu 4 Link to comment
Roslyn January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ginger90 said: Fridays with Friends video, including Robyn: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYdEAIBBx9K/ While I didn't watch I did read a comment that both Robyn and Meri comment that neither of them watch the show and they "don't have a clue what is going on...on the show". 🙄 9 4 Link to comment
Gramto6 January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 I only got 10 min in which is a major feat for me. What I thought was Meri and Robochin sure seemed chummy and Robochin was certainly not following Kodouch's social distance rules. 4 4 Link to comment
Popular Post Sandy W January 9, 2022 Popular Post Share January 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, Roslyn said: While I didn't watch I did read a comment that both Robyn and Meri comment that neither of them watch the show and they "don't have a clue what is going on...on the show". 🙄 I call BS on that! They are both so self-absorbed, they would NEED to know just how the show was edited and how they came across in the finished product. 26 Link to comment
Kellyee January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 Meri's attitude during that Fridays with Friends reminds me so much of Kate Gosselin. And we know how well being haughty bitch worked out for Kate. The ass-kissing comments about Meri and her hair are comical to read though. And I assume that Janelle either wasn't at the party or just wouldn't join the Instagram. Is Jen a paid employee? 1 3 Link to comment
Pickleinthemiddle January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Sandy W said: I call BS on that! They are both so self-absorbed, they would NEED to know just how the show was edited and how they came across in the finished product. Or they just don't want to watch so as not to know how bad looking they came off. Just don't listen or read social media to hear any bad comments. They may have to do that to keep any sanity they might have. They all seem to be done with this and know they are getting close to the end of the show. So they are not investing any time other than filming. Who knows. 6 Link to comment
deirdra January 9, 2022 Share January 9, 2022 Is Robyn now growing a nugget between her eyebrows, right on the edge of one of them? 4 1 Link to comment
Teri313 January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 12 hours ago, LilyD said: You know we're talking about Meri here, right? She's almost a match for Kody when it comes to being self-entered and over-estimating her self-importance. Meri can't focus on others, let alone help others without expecting something in return. She just can't... There's something about this typo right next to LILYD's new banana avatar that has reduced me to the humor of a 12 year old. But it's actually fitting, considering Kody is never going back there. Poor Meri! 17 Link to comment
LilyD January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Teri313 said: There's something about this typo right next to LILYD's new banana avatar that has reduced me to the humor of a 12 year old. But it's actually fitting, considering Kody is never going back there. Poor Meri! OMG!! 🤭 I can’t believe my ipad’s spelling checker betrayed me this bad!! But I must admit it’s really funny! (Me digging a hole to disappear in the meantime) 19 Link to comment
ginger90 January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 According to this Fridays with Friends video, they are currently filming for the show. 12 1 Link to comment
Rabbit Hutch January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 (edited) I keep bringing volunteer work up as a mental health curative for these morons (Meri, especially) because even after all of these years NONE OF THEM seem to do ANY! Isn't that a basic tenet of many religions, to help those in need? Get outside of yourself and your own problems. I understand not having the time when they had little kids, but most of the kids are old enough to care for themselves. These people are so self-involved; for example, just what does Aurora and Brianna do all day, every day for what, going on 3 years now? Sheesh, they got to be in their late teens? Aren't they bored to tears? Time for jobs, girls! Janelle, Christine, Robyn, Meri, Kootie, none of them show any type of reflection on what the Flagstaff community is going through at this time, except what they can get out of it, or how its stopping them from getting what they want. Or, that they're poor, mistreated plygs in a mean old monagamist world! 😭 Honestly, I wouldn't want any of the adult Browns anywhere near my neighborhood. The kids are fine, but a more selfish bunch of parents I don't think I could ever run into. Stay out of my neck of the woods! I beginning to think that none of these adult boneheads are redeemable. They have actually become unlikable to me, ick. Just ick. 😒 Edited January 10, 2022 by Rabbit Hutch 15 Link to comment
TurtlePower January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 6:25 PM, Cetacean said: Or refuse to admit that they have made one. This. Whenever Meri is confronted with something she is uncomfortable with (aka someone trying to tell Meri how she is coming off to them)—and if turning the tables doesn’t work—her “walls” go up. Meri is incapable of accepting criticism or acknowledging blame. She has all these posts and words about how she’s doing her best, she makes mistakes, blah blah blah but it’s under HER control. In the moment, Meri cannot (or will not) say “I’m sorry, wow, I didn’t know how I was coming off” without having a ready excuse for it or a construction crew for those walls. She can’t listen to the other person, ever. That’s not how truly strong, brave women do things. Meri continues to put up walls and make excuses. And her alliance with Robyn feels like more of a power play than anything else because for now, no one is challenging her. 19 Link to comment
LilyD January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Rabbit Hutch said: I keep bringing volunteer work up as a mental health curative for these morons (Meri, especially) because even after all of these years NONE OF THEM seem to do ANY! Isn't that a basic tenet of many religions, to help those in need? Get outside of yourself and your own problems. I understand not having the time when they had little kids, but most of the kids are old enough to care for themselves. These people are so self-involved; for example, just what does Aurora and Brianna do all day, every day for what, going on 3 years now? Sheesh, they got to be in their late teens? Aren't they bored to tears? Time for jobs, girls! As I tried to say in an earlier post (and failed miserably lol) Meri is too self-centered to think of others, unless she has some sort of advantage from it. Actually, most of the adults are. Kody did some missionary work in his early twenties (source: SW book) and probably thinks that he fulfilled his obligations with it. Janelle (if it's not too much work) and Christine might do something when asked. And Robyn...well, I won't even go there. Dayton and Aurora are shackled to Douche Manor in fear of Covid or mean teachers that don't understand their delicate nature. They can't get out. I don't know what they're doing during the day other than babysitting or doing Sol's schoolwork. Breanna is only 16 so still in (a digital?) secondary school. 7 Link to comment
Cetacean January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, LilyD said: Kody did some missionary work in his early twenties (source: SW book) and probably thinks that he fulfilled his obligations with it. Except that kind of missionary work doesn't actually help anyone, It's just that annoying "convert everyone" crap that makes people slam doors in their faces. The Mormons are relentless with that, even baptizing people, without their knowledge or consent, as Mormons. That cult is evil. They help no one except themselves. The idea of being in the same afterlife as Kootie is my worst nightmare. 22 Link to comment
LilyD January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 @Cetacean I fully agree, which is why I wrote that Kody probably considers this volunteering; it’s about ‘saving’ souls right? What better thing can you do for other people than this? My stepdad got so fed up with such people that he made a sign next to his door that says he’s a “faith counselor” and charges €100 for listening to their crap. They no longer bother him. It always makes me laugh when I visit them☺️ 11 4 Link to comment
NoWhammies January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Cetacean said: That cult is evil. They help no one except themselves. I live in a community that has had a few severe floods in the past 20 years. The Mormons bussed in huge amounts of their people, who rolled up their sleeves and worked their tails off swamping out mud, cleaning, bringing supplies, and more. They simply worked and did not preach--I know because I was heavily involved in the volunteer effort since we live high and dry on a hill. They also brought truckloads of their prepper supplies...cleaning kits, toiletries, canned foods, freeze-dried foods, blankets and coats, etc, which they gave away to people who had lost everything in the floods. Contrast that to the other cult that showed up, the Scientologists. They didn't lift a finger. They set up a massage table in the flood command center and did some weird shit to try and convert people to Scientology under the guise of "helping people relax and destress." They did not bring supplies or put any boots on the ground to provide meaningful assistance. So at least in the few cases I've observed, the LDS volunteers were actually incredibly helpful. To summarize: Mormons...still a cult, but helpful following a natural disaster. 12 11 Link to comment
LotusFlower January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 Hey guys - I know I’m late to the party on this, but I only just now finished watching the LuLaRoe documentary, and I’m curious if Meri (or any other Brown) are still involved, and still selling? Also, do you know what level Meri was at, and if she lost money? I thought the documentary was really well done, but also pretty shocking and sad. Any tea would be appreciated! 3 Link to comment
monagatuna January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 She's definitely making bank victimizing other marks, and has said things like "well I'm sorry they did that to themselves" about LLR's victims. She's very active and goes on those stupid cruises and such. With MLMs you're either a perpetrator or a victim, and Meri is no victim (at least as far as LLR goes). 13 Link to comment
ginger90 January 10, 2022 Share January 10, 2022 (edited) Christine is still selling LuLaNo also. Mykelti also sells it. Edited January 10, 2022 by ginger90 10 Link to comment
Shelbie January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 11 hours ago, ginger90 said: According to this Fridays with Friends video, they are currently filming for the show. This is exciting news. I’m sure there will be lots to snark on when we see it in 2026. 20 1 Link to comment
iwantcookies January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 20 hours ago, Teri313 said: There's something about this typo right next to LILYD's new banana avatar that has reduced me to the humor of a 12 year old. But it's actually fitting, considering Kody is never going back there. Poor Meri! I died laughing! 4 Link to comment
LotusFlower January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 4 hours ago, monagatuna said: She's definitely making bank victimizing other marks, and has said things like "well I'm sorry they did that to themselves" about LLR's victims. She's very active and goes on those stupid cruises and such. With MLMs you're either a perpetrator or a victim, and Meri is no victim (at least as far as LLR goes). Wow, that’s awful. I hope she goes down with the ship. 3 hours ago, ginger90 said: Christine is still selling LuLaNo also. Mykelti also sells it. Disappointing. 13 hours ago, ginger90 said: According to this Fridays with Friends video, they are currently filming for the show. This show will never die, will it? ☹️ 1 7 Link to comment
LilyD January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 4 hours ago, LotusFlower said: Hey guys - I know I’m late to the party on this, but I only just now finished watching the LuLaRoe documentary, and I’m curious if Meri (or any other Brown) are still involved, and still selling? Also, do you know what level Meri was at, and if she lost money? I thought the documentary was really well done, but also pretty shocking and sad. Any tea would be appreciated! Both Meri and Christine are still active. Just after the news broke that Christine had left, Meri had a facebook live where she was trying to shill her cheap leggings. She kicked off quite a few people who only turned up to question her about Christine's departure. According to some posters, both Christine and Meri regularly attend LuLaNO meetings or cruises that are exclusively for the bigger entrepreneurs, meaning they're not doing too bad. We're guessing that they cleverly make use of their D-list fame to sell products and to talk people into signing up as consultants, which is how they make the most money. (A new consultant can thus brag that they are acquainted with/work for Meri or Christine) Further proof of them not doing bad is the fact that they have done it for a number of years now (2016). Most consultants fail and give up within a year or so as they are unable to sell their stock and have to keep on buying from LuLaNO as per their contract. Oh Meri is a trainer btw, meaning that she has people in her downline where she makes money from as well. This apparently makes more money than the actual selling of clothes. How much they make? No idea. But both women seem to be able to earn a living of their own. 2 8 Link to comment
LotusFlower January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, LilyD said: Both Meri and Christine are still active. Just after the news broke that Christine had left, Meri had a facebook live where she was trying to shill her cheap leggings. She kicked off quite a few people who only turned up to question her about Christine's departure. According to some posters, both Christine and Meri regularly attend LuLaNO meetings or cruises that are exclusively for the bigger entrepreneurs, meaning they're not doing too bad. We're guessing that they cleverly make use of their D-list fame to sell products and to talk people into signing up as consultants, which is how they make the most money. (A new consultant can thus brag that they are acquainted with/work for Meri or Christine) Further proof of them not doing bad is the fact that they have done it for a number of years now (2016). Most consultants fail and give up within a year or so as they are unable to sell their stock and have to keep on buying from LuLaNO as per their contract. Oh Meri is a trainer btw, meaning that she has people in her downline where she makes money from as well. This apparently makes more money than the actual selling of clothes. How much they make? No idea. But both women seem to be able to earn a living of their own. Thanks so much for all that information. It’s what I suspected, but I didn’t know they were still active. I don’t know how this scam operation is still in business, especially with the lawsuits, the damaged goods, the negative publicity, and the social media backlash. But it’s one giant Ponzi scheme, so it’ll eventually fall apart, and I can only hope Meri loses everything. Then maybe she’ll have to move in with a sister wife! 2 8 Link to comment
TurtlePower January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 10 hours ago, LotusFlower said: Thanks so much for all that information. It’s what I suspected, but I didn’t know they were still active. I don’t know how this scam operation is still in business, especially with the lawsuits, the damaged goods, the negative publicity, and the social media backlash. But it’s one giant Ponzi scheme, so it’ll eventually fall apart, and I can only hope Meri loses everything. Then maybe she’ll have to move in with a sister wife! Especially nowadays when you can get similar buttery-soft leggings at Walmart for less than $10. I think in the beginning LLR leggings were much higher quality before they shifted to cheaper, faster production. Happens a lot when companies grow—I remember Sabra hummus being ridiculously good (and hard to find) when they were small and now, they’re everywhere (and the hummus kinda sucks and is nothing like it once was). Anyways. LLR clothes are ugly, unflattering and expensive. They look terrible on Meri, from the clingy, thin “jeans” to the cheap-looking jackets. I don’t understand how anyone can be convinced to keep buying that shit. 13 Link to comment
MargeGunderson January 11, 2022 Share January 11, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, TurtlePower said: Especially nowadays when you can get similar buttery-soft leggings at Walmart for less than $10. I think in the beginning LLR leggings were much higher quality before they shifted to cheaper, faster production. Happens a lot when companies grow—I remember Sabra hummus being ridiculously good (and hard to find) when they were small and now, they’re everywhere (and the hummus kinda sucks and is nothing like it once was). Anyways. LLR clothes are ugly, unflattering and expensive. They look terrible on Meri, from the clingy, thin “jeans” to the cheap-looking jackets. I don’t understand how anyone can be convinced to keep buying that shit. I bet a lot of her customers are other people who are involved in MLMs. MLMers really talk up supporting “small business owners*” like themselves and obviously have no problems with the exploitive business practices of MLMs, so it stands to reason that they are Meri’s core audience. Also, it’s so common in Mormon circles. *no, you are not small business owners ETA - why I think other MLMers are Meri’s buyers Edited January 11, 2022 by MargeGunderson 3 5 Link to comment
TurtlePower January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 23 hours ago, MargeGunderson said: I bet a lot of her customers are other people who are involved in MLMs. MLMers really talk up supporting “small business owners*” like themselves and obviously have no problems with the exploitive business practices of MLMs, so it stands to reason that they are Meri’s core audience. Also, it’s so common in Mormon circles. *no, you are not small business owners ETA - why I think other MLMers are Meri’s buyers Quite possibly. I just wonder who those people are selling to—why would anyone want expensive, low quality leggings like that? Or are they stuck wearing their own inventory for the rest of their lives? 8 2 Link to comment
iwantcookies January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 The cheap polyester leggings cause the privates to stink. Hope everyone bathes regularly. Ahem Meri! 9 Link to comment
MargeGunderson January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 (edited) I’ll admit to having a relationship similar to Meri and Kody’s. I eventually wised up that my off and on boyfriend was a douche and that I needed to have some self respect. The difference is that we were teenagers, not grown ass adults with an adult child. That’s pathetic, especially for someone who is always proclaiming what a strong woman she is. Edited January 12, 2022 by MargeGunderson 19 Link to comment
Kbo January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 That cheap-looking shiny jacket Meri has been wearing in her talking heads needs to be burned. Actually, I’m not sure that material would even burn. If it does, it would probably emit toxic fumes. 12 4 Link to comment
LilyD January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, iwantcookies said: The cheap polyester leggings cause the privates to stink. Hope everyone bathes regularly. Ahem Meri! oh no! Those poor bananas....... 8 Link to comment
Cetacean January 12, 2022 Share January 12, 2022 9 hours ago, TurtlePower said: I just wonder who those people are selling to—why would anyone want expensive, low quality leggings like that? Sadly, there are millions of suckers in the world that have no lives so follow "stars" and are influenced by them. Look at the crap that the Karrrashians hawk - people with the self-respect of insects just fawn over every word and follow their "advice" in all that they do. How sad is it that so may people have lives that are so vacant that a fake celebrity can tell you want and you never question it? You spend money that you don't have to wear some hideous piece of cloth because Meri the Be My Why woman said to? This society has gone to hell in a handbasket. 11 Link to comment
Gramto6 January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 9 hours ago, iwantcookies said: The cheap polyester leggings cause the privates to stink. Hope everyone bathes regularly. Ahem Meri! Well, there is always Lumē, hits all those stinky crevices! LOL! 10 1 Link to comment
Stefphill January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 7:43 AM, LilyD said: You know we're talking about Meri here, right? She's almost a match for Kody when it comes to being self-entered and over-estimating her self-importance. Meri can't focus on others, let alone help others without expecting something in return. She just can't... Spot on. Meri is so selfish. I don’t understand how so many people are her fans! Let us not forget she brought Robyn in to the fold because she was trying to get back at Janelle and Christine for being close. This whole thing backfired at her. Only because Robyn was playing chess not checkers… 14 Link to comment
Stefphill January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 6:42 AM, TurtlePower said: This. Whenever Meri is confronted with something she is uncomfortable with (aka someone trying to tell Meri how she is coming off to them)—and if turning the tables doesn’t work—her “walls” go up. Meri is incapable of accepting criticism or acknowledging blame. She has all these posts and words about how she’s doing her best, she makes mistakes, blah blah blah but it’s under HER control. In the moment, Meri cannot (or will not) say “I’m sorry, wow, I didn’t know how I was coming off” without having a ready excuse for it or a construction crew for those walls. She can’t listen to the other person, ever. That’s not how truly strong, brave women do things. Meri continues to put up walls and make excuses. And her alliance with Robyn feels like more of a power play than anything else because for now, no one is challenging her. Yes yes yes!!! She also uses Robyn’s kids, Sol and Ari, for sympathy points which is disgusting to me. Now she’s siding with Robyn again, I believe, to hurt Christine and Janelle. She carries grudges, but heaven forbid ANYONE call her out or give her a taste of her ow medicine. 14 Link to comment
SunnyBeBe January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 Can someone tell me if Meri’s Friday nights feed or whatever you call it is live? How do you watch it? I’m not a fan, just curious. Lol Link to comment
ginger90 January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said: Can someone tell me if Meri’s Friday nights feed or whatever you call it is live? How do you watch it? I’m not a fan, just curious. Lol She posts it on her Instagram. 5 Link to comment
TurtlePower January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Stefphill said: Yes yes yes!!! She also uses Robyn’s kids, Sol and Ari, for sympathy points which is disgusting to me. Now she’s siding with Robyn again, I believe, to hurt Christine and Janelle. She carries grudges, but heaven forbid ANYONE call her out or give her a taste of her ow medicine. This. Meri Brown is a self-centered, fake, mean, game-playing person who shifts blame onto everyone but herself. She acts like her life is a game of Survivor to be won and she’ll manipulate whoever she has to and lie to get what she wants. It’s not working with Kody, however. She’s lost him forever and she deserves it IMO. 8 Link to comment
iwantcookies January 13, 2022 Share January 13, 2022 20 hours ago, LilyD said: oh no! Those poor bananas....... good thing they don’t have eyes or noses lol i can’t look/eat a banana without giggling 9 Link to comment
Teafortwo January 14, 2022 Share January 14, 2022 That kitty has a come-hither look LOL 12 1 Link to comment
CalicoKitty January 14, 2022 Share January 14, 2022 My cats love those bananas. That company makes great cat toys. 2 4 Link to comment
Cetacean January 14, 2022 Share January 14, 2022 "Strong people don't put others down" but apparently making nasty comments and blocking them on SM doesn't count? 16 4 Link to comment
LilyD January 14, 2022 Share January 14, 2022 Uhm Meri.... A caterpillar doesn't grow wings.... It's just a larvae that is literally transforming into something else. In this case the insect with beautiful wings we know. 6 5 Link to comment
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