S05.E03: Lost Boys

[ElectricBoogaloo]

My take on the lost kids was that two of them looked sufficiently like real brothers, and Lily and Peter maybe met them in a group home.

I thought when they woged that they were all different types of wesen.

Not being married is the only non-problem in deciding custody between those 2. Let's see, she already had one child taken from her.

But is there any record of that at all? She had the baby in a cabin in the woods so there's no hospital record of her birth and she didn't file an abduction report with the police so officially (on paper) Diana was not kidnapped/taken from her. Edited November 14, 2015 by ElectricBoogaloo

[merylinkid]

But Nick knows it so he can use it in Court.   Of course then she can say "But he was one of the ones who took her."   And he'll say "Yeah because you killed an old woman because you thought you were a witch who lost her powers and wanted them back, I was protecting the child from you."    Etc., Etc., Etc.

 

Really I can see this whole case playing out in my head.   If anyone wants anymore on it, let's take it to the small talk thread.

[OtterMommy]

But Nick knows it so he can use it in Court.   Of course then she can say "But he was one of the ones who took her."   And he'll say "Yeah because you killed an old woman because you thought you were a witch who lost her powers and wanted them back, I was protecting the child from you."    Etc., Etc., Etc.

 

Really I can see this whole case playing out in my head.   If anyone wants anymore on it, let's take it to the small talk thread.

 

I can't resist....reply in small talk!

[Happytobehere]

I have been doing a lot of ff this season -- every scene that involves Adalind. Said to say that each episode finds me ff more than the previous episode. I'm not sure why the show is fascinated with Adalind, a horrible character who has experienced two back-to-back pregnancies where we the viewers know the paternity is in doubt, but the show treats us like we don't know that neither Diana nor Kelly's father has actually been identified. But then again, this show wants us to forget how Adalind drugged and sexually abused Hank, how she drugged Wu, how everything that went wrong with Juliet can be traced back to her. I doubt I'll be able to get through the season.

[Starchild]

Who issues a death certificate for a missing person on the say-so of one person?

Not to mention that person is her boyfriend, who should be suspect #1 in her disappearance.

[ottilie]

also - in their new place, he is showing off all the security considerations, and then stops for 15 seconds by the door to tunnels that run underneath the city. They couldn't have included that detail unless they later will need to use an escape hatch, or the wesen uprising come raiding via the tunnels.

 

Meisner shows up in person to give Renard a 3 minute update on things. That must mean that ever since Snowden revealed the bad news about phone surveillance, they've been avoiding telecommunications.

Edited November 15, 2015 by ottilie

[ElectricBoogaloo]

But Nick knows it so he can use it in Court. Of course then she can say "But he was one of the ones who took her." And he'll say "Yeah because you killed an old woman because you thought you were a witch who lost her powers and wanted them back, I was protecting the child from you." Etc., Etc., Etc.

Any judge who was presented with a custody case where the father accused the mother of losing her first kid would ask for proof, which Nick would not be able to produce (which in turn would make Nick look like a crazy liar).

[OtterMommy]

Between that and sending the homeless, parentless kids away, I have no idea what they've done with Rosalee's brain, but I don't like it. 

 

They're trying to make her "more feminine"...and this is the result....

[TVSpectator]

Anything that's happened cannot be proven anywhere, and really, they have so much on each other, it would be a draw. If they try to drag a magical case through the court system, I may lose my mind.

 

Oh, also, also, if there's proof as to when she gave birth, and they see the apparent age of the current Diana, I would like to figure out how they would explain that.

 

I wonder if there is a Wesen version of Family Court where Nick and Adalind could go to sort this out?

[OtterMommy]

I wonder if there is a Wesen version of Family Court where Nick and Adalind could go to sort this out?

 

I've wondered something like that two...like is there a Wesen "track" in the legal system that is kind of under the radar.  

 

But, if there is, I doubt Nick--a Grimm--would get a fair hearing.

[TVSpectator]

I've wondered something like that two...like is there a Wesen "track" in the legal system that is kind of under the radar.  

 

But, if there is, I doubt Nick--a Grimm--would get a fair hearing.

 

Yeah, but he has at least been to the council for a few times. Plus, he can use Rosalie and Monroe as character witnesses. 

[OtterMommy]

Yeah, but he has at least been to the council for a few times. Plus, he can use Rosalie and Monroe as character witnesses. 

 

True, but let's face it...this would never happen.  It's too thought out.  This show isn't capable of that.

[ratgirlagogo]

 

I don't understand why Rosalee did not call the Wesen Council to come get those kids. Having them in the foster care system is a threat to keeping the Wesen secret. Most likely the writers have forgotten all about the Wesen Council.

I love this show, I've watched it from the beginning, and this is the Internal Show Logic Lapse that has upset me the most.  How is it even fucking POSSIBLE that NICK, let alone MONROE and ROSALIE (who god knows have experience with the Wesen Council), could let these poor orphaned Wesen children go into foster care, perhaps to the homes of humans who wouldn't know who and what they are?  Isn't this exactly the kind of situation the Wesen Council is supposed to resolve?  

 

For christ's sake they could at least have left them with Beaver Man and his wife until it got figured out.  Unbelieveable - I mean in the sense that  I really could not believe that the characters on the show could possibly behave the way the script has made them behave.

[TVSpectator]

True, but let's face it...this would never happen.  It's too thought out.  This show isn't capable of that.

 

Yeah, you are right, it would never happen. I was just thinking that since we saw a retirement home for Wesen and even a parallel government system that is run by them, I was just wondering if they would have a parallel court system, that is actually part of the larger human world (like with that one doctor from last season). 

 

I doubt that this show would even be bother to do a storyline like that now with HexenJuliette and babies running around.

Edited November 15, 2015 by TVSpectator

[OtterMommy]

Yeah, you are right, it would never happen. I was just thinking that since we saw a retirement home for Wesen and even a parallel government system that is run by them, I was just wondering if they would have a parallel court system, that is actually part of the larger human world (like with that one doctor from last season). 

 

I doubt that this show would even be bother to do a storyline like that now with HexenJuliette and babies running around.

 

Moving this to the writing thread....

[OtterMommy]

For those of you who watched this episode, I have a question.

 

Did Wu ever get around to triangulating the phone that Nick got from Chavez in the first episode or are we supposed to forget about that?

[Starchild]

Wu? Wu who? Look, over there, a dancing wallaby!

[Prevailing Wind]

 

maybe he owns it under a different identity, I don't know how it would be done.

Single-Member LLC.  The only people who know who the "single member" is the owner and the attorney trustee, with attorney/client privilege.  My ex-boss owns a bunch of houses like that, each LLC named for the property's address: 123 4th Street LLC. (He's very afraid of being sued for everything he's got and judging by how he maintains his properties, he's got good cause to be afraid of his tenants.)

 

Nick's could be "Abandoned Paint Factory LLC"

Edited November 15, 2015 by Prevailing Wind

[Slovenly Muse]

Yeesh. I don't know how to feel about this episode. It had its moments, and the little glimpse we got of Trubel at the end will keep me watching next week, but honestly, this is unravelling and not in a good way.

 

The "Lost Boys" definitely reached too far for Peter Pan. It's one thing to be a poor, homeless orphan, abandoned and alone apart from your band of ragamuffins, but it's quite another to abduct a woman from a supermarket, keep her tied up in your forest abode for TWO YEARS (probably while she resisted, cursed you, and tried to escape the whole time) in order to force her to be your "mother" and then act like when she falls into the deadly trap you've set up, it's HER fault. That is really and truly sick, moving into the territory of actual evil. Obviously these kids need more help than just foster homes can provide. If they had even had some sort of reason for why they NEEDED a "mother" (like, if they were a kind of wessen that fed on maternal energy or something), it would have made more sense, but just running around abducting any woman who was nice to them and telling her if she didn't love them they'd hurt her... for no other reason than they wanted a mother, that pretty much killed any sympathy I had for their being abandoned. Being wessen is no excuse for being a monster.

 

 

Also, if turning into a Hexenbiest made Juliette go all dark and evil, why is it that Adalind can just choose whether she wants to be good or evil? Everyone is making excuses for Juliette's behavior like it wasn't her fault, but not applying the same logic to Adalind. For heavens sake she tried to kill Aunt Marie, on Renard's orders! You don't just move past something like that as if they had no control over the situation.

 

This, though, is actually something that makes sense to me. If becoming a Hexenbiest made Juliette evil, then it stands to reason that all the evil things Adalind did were because SHE was a Hexenbiest at the time. If Juliette could be a good person turned evil by Hexenbiest magic, then it actually does stand to reason that Adalind, losing her power and becoming human again, could shed that evil and discover that without all that corrupting power she actually is a good person. It's like, the redemption arc they could have applied to Juliette, they decided to apply to Adalind instead, turning the evil Hexenbiest good again by taking away her powers. So, by the show's logic, Adalind the HUMAN can't be blamed for the awful stuff she did as a Hexenbiest any more than Juliette can be blamed for the awful stuff SHE did when she became a Hexenbiest. And I think they're leaning on this idea pretty hard to get us to swallow this Nick/Adalind stuff. Since the writers (and Nick) seem to be indicating that this powerless human Adalind is not the same person (not possessed by the same willingness/desire to do evil) as former Hexenbiest Adalind, and Adalind herself has said that she doesn't want to become a Hexenbiest again because she doesn't like herself when she's a Hexenbiest, it actually does make her redemption arc legitimate. Unfortunately, it's not enough for ME to get past what she's done, and I can't believe it's enough for Nick either.

[Blue Plastic]

I also want to add, because the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, how Rosalee found the bullet hole from when Juliette almost made Nick shoot her husband, that she's all, "I miss the old Juliette." I'm like, remembering a woman saying, "WOO!" after nearly killing your husband brings back fond memories for you?

I suppose it's all part of the campaign to get us all on the "poor little sweet Juliette" bandwagon so we'll all be excited and happy to have her back if/when they resurrect her again at some point.  Just thinking about it makes me get out the barf bag.

 

The "Lost Boys" definitely reached too far for Peter Pan. It's one thing to be a poor, homeless orphan, abandoned and alone apart from your band of ragamuffins, but it's quite another to abduct a woman from a supermarket, keep her tied up in your forest abode for TWO YEARS (probably while she resisted, cursed you, and tried to escape the whole time) in order to force her to be your "mother" and then act like when she falls into the deadly trap you've set up, it's HER fault. That is really and truly sick, moving into the territory of actual evil. Obviously these kids need more help than just foster homes can provide. If they had even had some sort of reason for why they NEEDED a "mother" (like, if they were a kind of wessen that fed on maternal energy or something), it would have made more sense, but just running around abducting any woman who was nice to them and telling her if she didn't love them they'd hurt her... for no other reason than they wanted a mother, that pretty much killed any sympathy I had for their being abandoned. Being wessen is no excuse for being a monster.

This part was definitely glossed over in the show, IMO.  They never really said anything about sending the kids to juvie or some kind of rehabilitation facility, which is what they really needed.  They absolutely were guilty of killing that human woman, so they weren't just some poor little helpless, defenseless orphans.  I, too, was kind of surprised that they just seemed to be a pack of unrelated kids of various Wesen types, not even the same Wesen species.  It would have made more sense if they had all been some type of Wesen that is obsessed with its mother or stays dependent on its mother for longer than others...anything to make more sense out of the fact that these kids' desire for a mother was pathological and violent.

 

 

This, though, is actually something that makes sense to me. If becoming a Hexenbiest made Juliette evil, then it stands to reason that all the evil things Adalind did were because SHE was a Hexenbiest at the time. If Juliette could be a good person turned evil by Hexenbiest magic, then it actually does stand to reason that Adalind, losing her power and becoming human again, could shed that evil and discover that without all that corrupting power she actually is a good person. It's like, the redemption arc they could have applied to Juliette, they decided to apply to Adalind instead, turning the evil Hexenbiest good again by taking away her powers.

I'm not entirely sure they aren't angling to apply it to Juliette, at least eventually.  I'm highly suspicious that she's really dead, no matter how many times the writers claim otherwise.  Anyway, no matter if they're applying this theory to Juliette or Adalind, I'm not buying it.  It's a retcon they can use to switch Hexie characters back and forth from bad to good with no underlying character development or reasoning, and the viewers are just supposed to accept it.

[jhlipton]

I loved Rosalee in this episode. My favorite moment was the Grimm Fairy Tale. Those kids were sure creepy. 

 

 If Rosalee had had to be rescued, I would be out. I was hoping that after she got out of the cabin, she would see Monroe and ask him "What took you so long?"

 

Juliette was also responsible for burning the Grimm Trailer down.

Since they were flipping through several unscorched books this ep, it looks like it got better.

[bluvelvet]

I liked the episode. Loved the Peter Pan case of the week and I actually wanted Rosalee and Monroe to take those kids temporarily until they found a good place for them. Then I remembered they had been kidnapping and imprisoning other women and my sympathy lessened significantly.

I did love the scene where Rosalee woged and shocked them, I figured they didn't know what and who they were. I wish there was a scene where she told them about wesen and which ones they were. I do think the kids minds were warped, I assume they met in the foster system and realized they were different and bonded over that. I can also imagine what happened to them in that system that made them into the little monsters they were, they want love and attached that to a mother figure.

I do think that Lily will pop up again, they didn't have her tell Rosalee she hated her for no reason.

Nicks new place is not inviting at all and it looks cold. Somehow those tunnels are going to come into play.

Would love for Adalind to go back to work but don't see how realistic that is.

[ShadowFacts]

My feeling is that the children were portrayed in a way they wouldn't evoke much sympathy.  They are the way they are because they are unaffiliated with anyone who is like them or who will accept them as they are. They are cast-offs who have to fend for themselves, they're probably not all innately evil, but they are ripe for the pickings for someone who will exploit them for their own purposes.  This resonates quite a bit as far as what's happening all over the world.  Things don't always turn out well when people are treated like human (in this case wesen) garbage. 

[shapeshifter]

This, though, is actually something that makes sense to me. If becoming a Hexenbiest made Juliette evil, then it stands to reason that all the evil things Adalind did were because SHE was a Hexenbiest at the time. If Juliette could be a good person turned evil by Hexenbiest magic, then it actually does stand to reason that Adalind, losing her power and becoming human again, could shed that evil and discover that without all that corrupting power she actually is a good person. It's like, the redemption arc...

I was thinking this too until I remembered that this is not the first time Adalind has lost her powers, and the first time it happened (after Nick bit his lip and "kissed" her to get a drop of his blood in her to take away her powers) she did not turn into a good person, but rather did all kinds of evil (selling her unborn child to a witch) to get her powers back. Fi fi fo fum, I smell a retcon.

[OtterMommy]

This, though, is actually something that makes sense to me. If becoming a Hexenbiest made Juliette evil, then it stands to reason that all the evil things Adalind did were because SHE was a Hexenbiest at the time. If Juliette could be a good person turned evil by Hexenbiest magic, then it actually does stand to reason that Adalind, losing her power and becoming human again, could shed that evil and discover that without all that corrupting power she actually is a good person. 

 

Re: Adalind.  

 

2 points on this.  First, she is actually still a hexenbiest.  She just can't use her powers on command (or so we think...I'm hoping all this crap with Nick is actually some hexen mind control).  Secondly, there WAS  a period of time when Adalind was definitely NOT a hexenbiest and she did some pretty terrible things during that time.  

 

The thing with Adalind is not that she is or is not a hexenbiest...it is that she's a sociopath and there just ain't no magic potion for that one...

 

ETA:  Edited to slim down my quote...didn't mean to quote the entire original message.

Edited November 15, 2015 by OtterMommy

[Actionmage]

Plus, aren't hexenbiests born as hexenbiests?  Granted, we still don't know the supposed difference between hexenbiests and zauerbiests ( just ask Renard!), but we've only seen Adalind get rehexened by Stephania.  When Nick de-hexened Adalind in S1, she seemed totally at a loss as to how that happened leading to spec about Adalind's mom) and devastated.

 

What I'm asking is: Is this supposed "blame it on the biest" framing that we are getting going to be why both characters stay on canvas? The show seeming to be telling us that evil acts=the biest ( regardless of the nastiness we saw from un-hexened Adalind), so remove their biests and both ladies get to be good and on-going characters?

[possibilities]

The only way I'll accept this is if Juliette and Adalind move in together and form an ex-biest bond, Nick moves in with Rosalee and Monroe, and Sean raises Kelly as a single dad (or with Meisner). In other words, they need to do something actually creative, so it's not just a lazy retcon, but an innovation of some kind. Hank and Wu can form a comedy crime fighting duo, while Trubel joins the police, teams up with the formerly feral Blut from Season 1, and the two of them become the new wesen-specialists in the Portland PD.

[PepperMonkey]

And they made a big deal in season four about how Juliette couldn't be turned BACK from biest because she was not BORN a biest, but rather made one. Which also made her more powerful, if I remember correctly.

 

Adalind's mom was a hexenbiest and Adalind was born a hexenbiest.

 

I have to add, as I'm no longer watching the show because I don't want to contribute to their ratings in any way at all as long as Adalind and Nick are sitting in a tree, about to be K I S S I N G, thank you all so much for the concise reviews and comments. I'm so torn as to whether I care if the show even continues or if I would love it if they could get rid of Adalind forever and make the show good again. As I mentioned in another topic - and I'm almost embarrassed to say this - but I'm not sure I would even mind the eventual Bitsie return, which we all know is coming, if it means Adalind is gone FOREVER. If Claire Coffee is such a great actress, as many seem to feel (and I can't really judge that because I've never seen her in anything else), then she shouldn't have trouble finding another gig.

Edited November 15, 2015 by PepperMonkey

[OtterMommy]

I have to add, as I'm no longer watching the show because I don't want to contribute to their ratings in any way at all as long as Adalind and Nick are sitting in a tree, about to be K I S S I N G, thank you all so much for the concise reviews and comments. I'm so torn as to whether I care if the show even continues or if I would love it if they could get rid of Adalind forever and make the show good again. As I mentioned in another topic - and I'm almost embarrassed to say this - but I'm not sure I would even mind the eventual Bitsie return, which we all know is coming, if it means Adalind is gone FOREVER. If Claire Coffee is such a great actress, as many seem to feel (and I can't really judge that because I've never seen her in anything else), then she shouldn't have trouble finding another gig.

 

I'm with you on this.  This best thing this show could do is get rid of both Juliette and Adalind and then hire some more women writers (or, at least, writers of either gender who can write women).  But, short of that, I might be able to handle the return of Juliette ONLY if she breaks up this ridiculous show.

 

I'm also not watching now...so thanks to all you who are and letting me know what is going on.  I'm keeping the shows on the DVR just in case things turn around, but that isn't looking too likely right now.

[DeeDee79]

I liked this episode. We don't get many Rosalee and Monroe centric eps so this was a treat for me. I kinda felt bad for the foster kids; they seemed very genuine in their desires for a mother with the exception of the "leader" who was a bully & a brat. That being said I'm glad it didn't end with Monrosalee cohabitating with a house full of kids. Glad to see Nick and Hank back together; I was afraid the temp partner would stick around for a bit. I'm still neutral on the Nick and Adalind situation mainly because I like this show and I'm willing to see how the redemption & Juliette's inevitable return is played out. I'd rather enjoy what I like & ff through what I don't like as opposed to complaining about what I know I can't change. At the end of the day it's just a tv show *shrugs*

Edited November 15, 2015 by DeeDee79

[shapeshifter]

The only way I'll accept this is if Juliette and Adalind move in together and form an ex-biest bond, Nick moves in with Rosalee and Monroe, and Sean raises Kelly as a single dad (or with Meisner). In other words, they need to do something actually creative, so it's not just a lazy retcon, but an innovation of some kind. Hank and Wu can form a comedy crime fighting duo, while Trubel joins the police, teams up with the formerly feral Blut from Season 1, and the two of them become the new wesen-specialists in the Portland PD.

If I were wealthy enough to end world hunger and still have plenty left over, I'd produce your version of the show in a nanosecond, possibilities. Perfect screen name for you!

If Claire Coffee is such a great actress, as many seem to feel (and I can't really judge that because I've never seen her in anything else), then she shouldn't have trouble finding another gig.

I have enjoyed Claire Coffee's acting at least as much as I abhor the hexenbiest makeup. The only reason I'm still watching is the actors--I've almost never liked what they did with the storytelling. If they were going to retcon, why couldn't it have been that hexenbiests clone the DNA of regular humans to achieve their non-woged look, kill off Adalind, and have Claire Coffee portray the human who Adalind cloned?

[meep.meep]

OtterMommy..I heard that some of the actors bought houses,,but then i wonder why? I mean, just how long did they think this gig would last, given ratings the past couple of years? The odds of this particular show lasting as long as say, ER or Greys Anatomy was always pretty slim. I just thought the actors just liked the area.

Because this is the fifth season and real estate is almost always a good investment.

They couldn't just hand over the kids to kindly wesen because they'd kidnapped a woman. The show has been pretty good at showing wesen going into the non-wesen criminal justice system when guilty.

[Rockstar99435]

I loved Rosalee in this episode. My favorite moment was the Grimm Fairy Tale. Those kids were sure creepy. I felt badly for them, but then I remembered they killed their first mommy. Being locked up is really in everyone's best interests.

 

When one of the kids put the lock of the dead woman's hair in the box, you could see at least 2 or 3 other locks of hair. I don't think this was the first mommy that they killed. Which in turn, killed any sympathy I would've had for the kids.

 

I actually like the new place. It's got a cool open floor plan and I like that they are away from innocent neighbors. And yeah, they are definitely going to escape through the tunnels at some point this season.

[tpel]

Okay...is there any Meisner?  Just a yes or no so I can decide if I'm going to watch this trainwreck or catch up on Agents of Shield....

 

 

As others have mentioned, yes, he appears briefly. Having Meisner and Renard in a scene together certainly upped the hotness quotient of the episode, though sadly neither of them had reason to remove his shirt ;-)

 

Otherwise, I kind of liked the lost boys and Rosalie plot. Yeah, there were parts that didn't quite make sense, but at least it felt fairy-tale-like, something the show has been lacking of late. Nick playing house with Adelind is disgusting on a number of levels. It is also perplexing. With Diana, everybody was after her, so it was understandable that steps would be taken to keep her protected. Nobody seems all that interested in nabbing Kelly or Adelind now, so keeping her near Nick actually puts them at more risk. 

[ShadowFacts]

 

Nobody seems all that interested in nabbing Kelly or Adelind now, so keeping her near Nick actually puts them at more risk.

 

For sure, being involved with Nick puts one at risk.  But since he just had his girlfriend "die" in his arms and found his mother's head in his house, the impulse to protect is understandable.  And btw, the beautiful house looked quite cold and sad in the last moving-out shot.

 

 

And their delivering wesen criminals to regular jails has always been a problem of mine. In nearly every supernatural show, there is a special jail for these people.

 

Bothers me, too.  Maybe I look too hard at times, but throwing the wesen in with the regular population makes me think about all the violence in prisons in real life.  You always hear about it, and that's there's no real rehabilitation.  It also reminds me of when Wu asked Renard if all crime is wesen-related and he answered "pretty much" or something similar.  So that maybe it all ties in, and being hidden from most of society, and misunderstood, and prone to woging when upset, all plays into the uprising that's brewing.  I find it interesting so far. 

[ottilie]

oh - at the Grimm 100 event, there was an interview someone posted with the actress who plays Trubel. They asked about the current episode and she wasn't allow to talk about the secret gov't organization, but she said that her character was 'in training'. They didn't clarify why she was living in a cell, but it implies that she's not willingly going along.

[bluvelvet]

Actually few things I forgot go mention when I posted earlier, how do these kids know how to drive ? I assumed the stole the car from a prior mother. How did they put gas in the car if they had no money and wouldn't a kid buying gas seems odd to a gas attendant ?

Also how old were they? They're not that young, I assume pre or early teens.

That scene where one kid ran away from Nick screaming Nick's gonna cut off his head was funny.

[Apocalypse Cow]

Unpopular opinion, but I don't care if Adalind and Nick hook up. I suspend reality when I watch this show, and if they want me to believe that Adalind has changed, okay.  I think that Nick and Adalind have about a thousand times more chemistry than Nick and Juliette (who bugged me to death). I think the Adalind character can be saved.  I think she has more of a defined personality than Juliette ever did.  But she needs to get some of her spunk back.  

[ChipBach]

So "the Lost Boys" (and one girl) kidnapped and killed a women.  No consequences? They turn them loose to the foster system?

 

I think we jumped a shark here...

[Dobian]

I was actually hoping that Mornoe and Rosalie would try to adopt the girl, especially since she is like Rosalie.  The episode seemed to be hinting at this as a possible direction.  Maybe that will happen.  The leader of the Lost Boys is clearly evil, he's going to be bad news.

[Actionmage]

Nobody seems all that interested in nabbing Kelly

 

Thinking about it, it does seem strange, yet it doesn't.

 

Kelly is being touted as part-Hexenbiest, part-Grimm, so I would think that would make Li'l Kelly a hot commodity for power players in the deeper Wesen World power politics. If a hexen/royal/zauer-baby with a prophesy is coveted and scrambled over the globe for, I can only imagine what Folks In The Know would think about Li'l Kelly's potential powers. Especially with the power weirdness that has affected both Nick and Adalind.

 

Yet, only our group know about Adalind being pregnant, in contrast to Diana's birth circus and tour.  He also may not have some supposed prophesy due to the general unlikeliness of the parties needed to have such a child. Also, there is still a chance that Li'l Kelly is actually Renard's son. Not that that won't make Kelly valuable to someone (like Viktor), but maybe not to so many people. Li'l Kelly's conception was a surprise to Adalind and the hexen who informed Adalind is dead. Nick, Renard, Juliet, Hank, Wu, Monrosalee, and Bud know, but kept it on the dl. Now, the only other folks who know that Adalind gave birth to a son are the people who actually helped Adalind give birth.  Unless someone divines that Adalind had a second child, Li'l Kelly should be okay.  As will the staff and operating team that dealt with Adalind's labor. 

 

Of course, Kelly could also be the ghosty, second heartbeat that Adalind heard while pregnant with Diana.  Is this how we find out the differences in zauerbiests and hexenbiests?  Through Kelly?

 

Maybe if Rosalee had, I don't know, called her cop friend when she found out those kids were homeless, she could have avoided being kidnapped.

 

Or, instead of just letting the boys go, insist on going to Lily with Monroe along. Then, if thing got weird or out-of-hand in anyway, either of them could try to call Nick or the cops.  But then, we wouldn't have had the very thin Peter Pan overlay.

 

I know they were supposed to be emotionally messed up enough to not get that threatening to kill your "beloved" mother isn't loving, but I wonder how they got to that place. It's wrapped up in the abandonment thing, but if you kill someone to stop them from leaving, they are still gone. It's nonsensical, so I guess we aren't supposed to do anything but sigh and shake our heads and go "poor babies" and just let buzzy words like foster homes, The System, abandonment, and such make us feel like we observed a tale of critique, but it doesn't feel like it was. The kids were sent to a harsher place, but the Warden let them be clean, fed and dressed in clean clothes.

 

I am not sure what we were supposed to take from this part of the episode other than:

*The Uprising (::rme::) doesn't care how young their recruits are.

*Some wesen mothers/ human mothers of wesen children are awful ( then again, we learned that in S1).

*These kids were resourceful enough to stay off enough radars for several years.

*The foster home(s) that last had these children may be scamming The System if these missing kids weren't in any database for Nick, Hank or Wu to find. Even if they were in a state-run orphanage, no one seemed to think that they would be in the Missing and Exploited Children registry.

 

Even if we weren't supposed to care much- not unlike their birth mothers or The System- someone should have noted four missing underage children to someone in law enforcement.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Actionmage

[ShadowFacts]

So "the Lost Boys" (and one girl) kidnapped and killed a women.  No consequences? They turn them loose to the foster system?

 

I think we jumped a shark here...

 

On this show, lots of crimes have gone unpunished, including ones committed by cops.  But I agree it was really bad to put them back in protective services the way they did.  Super bad.

 

 

Of course, Kelly could also be the ghosty, second heartbeat that Adalind heard while pregnant with Diana.  Is this how we find out the differences in zauerbiests and hexenbiests?  Through Kelly?

 

Other possibilities are that he may not  have Grimm abilities at all but that wouldn't be evident for a long time.  Likewise, maybe not zauerbiest either, because I was thinking if Grimm blood de-biested Adalind, maybe Grimm DNA did the same in utero.  But that also wouldn't be evident immediately, so the little darling (he is quite cute) is in danger.  And maybe Bud will blab and word will get out to the wesen folk, good and bad.  I thought it was careless of Adalind to take him out and about in Portland, where she could then be easily followed back to the fortress. 

[FishyJoe]

The only thing that would make sense is that when when Adalind and Juliet switched, their souls transferred bodies and got stuck. Otherwise the sudden change in Adalind makes no sense. It would also make Juliet going completely evil more believable. 

[shapeshifter]

So "the Lost Boys" (and one girl) kidnapped and killed a women.  No consequences? They turn them loose to the foster system?

 

I think we jumped a shark here...

Since the dead mother we saw in the beginning was kidnapped 2 years ago, and since she wasn't the first, I was really expecting the "kids" to be 100-year-old wessen.

The only thing that would make sense is that when when Adalind and Juliet switched, their souls transferred bodies and got stuck. Otherwise the sudden change in Adalind makes no sense. It would also make Juliet going completely evil more believable.

If only...

[possibilities]

Fishy Joe, that's an interesting idea. I wish some of the forum posters were actually writing for the show. Better ideas and more common sense.

[qtpye]

Wu? Wu who?

 

 

Wu who? Drew Wu to you Cindy Lou...that's who.

 

I am sorry, I just could not resist with that ridiculous name.

[Darklazr]

Juliette needs to stay dead, period.

 

I like Claire Coffee, but Adalind needs to join Juliette followed by Trubel off my TV screen.

[OtterMommy]

Juliette needs to stay dead, period.

 

I like Claire Coffee, but Adalind needs to join Juliette followed by Trubel off my TV screen.

 

I realized that Grimm did something I thought was impossible...with this Nick/Adalind crap, they've replaced the musical episode of Grey's Anatomy as the worst thing I've seen on (fictionalized) television. Because, heck, I'm still watching Grey's Anatomy and my Friday nights are now free.  Congrats on that dubious distinction, Grimm.....

 

I'm not opposed to a return of Juliette if it means the end of Nick and Adalind.  That is how far I've fallen at this point. (Although I still think the best course would be to get rid of both of them, hire writers who can actually write female characters, and then introduce a new love interest....)

 

Another thing about this season--according the ratings, they've lost over a million viewers this season.  In 3 episodes.   Congrats....

[Clanstarling]

For a show that I originally believed "got it," this plot is devolving into Stargate: Universe levels of ignorance of sexual consent.

Thank you! That was the element of Stargate: Universe that bothered me the most. 

[anarchyangel84]

I read something before this season started, I read an interview with one of the writers. I can't remember where I read it, but it said that Juliette is dead. Period. So I didn't think anything more about it until now. She died in Nicks arms- but since she's a Hexenbiest, she can be brought back. I do hope that she does come back for 1 reason: to FINALLY finish off Adalind.

Juliette was good at one time. I was glad to hear Rosalee talk about that.

I was wondering why Rosalee didn't call the Wesen Council about those kids too. She was so worried about them & surprised that they had no idea they were wesen.There has to be a good reason she didn't call. I'm guessing we won't see the last of those kids though.... But I guess we'll see.

I wonder if the writers were high when they wrote this season. They had to have been. How could they possibly expect us to believe that Adalind could name that kid Kelly & everything would be forgotten?!? She has taken everyone & everything Nick loved off of him. Almost killed Hank & Wu. Since the beginning, everything Adalind did, every move she made, was for her- to get what she wanted. Now all of a sudden, she's different- she's nice? I don't believe the Hexenbiest makes a person evil, I think it brings out the evil already there. I think it just kind of heightens emotions- especially the bad ones. Even when Adalind lost her powers, she was still evil. Now, she's not. It's laughable. It's all laughable.