Leon Brown: So Here's Me

[Sandy W]

4 minutes ago, OdinO. said:

What isn't her cause? She is into every grievance position possible. Her belief is grievance and victimhood.

A SJW running amok and awry.  She hasn't embraced the old adage, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar".

[OdinO.]

10 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

A SJW running amok and awry.  She hasn't embraced the old adage, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar".

That was forgotten a long time ago. The squeaky wheel predominates now.

[Kellyee]

What do you do with a Social Justice degree?

[suomi]

Just now, Kellyee said:

What do you do with a Social Justice degree?

You become a wound collector, evidently. 

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What is a wound collector? In essence these are individuals who go out of their way to collect social slights, historical grievances, injustices, unfair or disparate treatment, or wrongs - whether real or imagined.

They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized. 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

[Kellyee]

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You become a wound collector, evidently. 

So she's going to be just like Meri in every single season of this show.

 

 

 

 

[MargeGunderson]

@questionfear, thanks for the link. I can appreciate those concerns. As usual, Mariah jumps right to an inflammatory statement without any substance. If she’s just venting/spewing her emotions, fine, but if her intent is to educate or persuade people to her position, she’s doing a crap job as usual.

[Sandy W]

4 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

So she's going to be just like Meri in every single season of this show.

 

 

 

 

The only difference is, Meri lets her wounds fester behind her "Walls".  Mariah challenges all comers waving her wounds from the ramparts.

[OdinO.]

14 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

What do you do with a Social Justice degree?

You intend to help people but instead end up hurting them. By robbing them of their individuality and making them no more than a member of a victim group that needs your privileges' and sympathy to succeed.

[questionfear]

32 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

@questionfear, thanks for the link. I can appreciate those concerns. As usual, Mariah jumps right to an inflammatory statement without any substance. If she’s just venting/spewing her emotions, fine, but if her intent is to educate or persuade people to her position, she’s doing a crap job as usual.

Exactly! Mariah is operating under the assumption that everyone hears the intent that she does behind Rowling's statements and writing, and most people are just not going to know the context, because the average person isn't impacted by those issues or living and breathing them on a regular basis. A simple explainer link alongside her rant goes a long way in taking it from an out of context "wtf?" to a clearer sense of WHY she's angry. If she wants to scream into the void of social media, she can, but if she wants to hold herself out as someone with the goal of educating people, she's got to adjust her approach. 

[deirdra]

2 hours ago, questionfear said:

Regardless of whether I agree or disagree, I think Mariah needs to learn to better express her views. She tends to operate on the idea that everyone has all the background facts and if you don't that's your problem, not hers. But her tweets aren't going to help or change anything, because she's not explaining it, which doesn't really help any causes she feels strongly about. Hell, all she had to do was include a link or a better explanation instead of throwing a twitter tantrum. 

Exactly, and she seems to think using the F-word makes her sound more serious and worth listening too, but it makes her sound juvenile with a limited vocabulary.

[laurakaye]

1 hour ago, questionfear said:

Exactly! Mariah is operating under the assumption that everyone hears the intent that she does behind Rowling's statements and writing, and most people are just not going to know the context, because the average person isn't impacted by those issues or living and breathing them on a regular basis. A simple explainer link alongside her rant goes a long way in taking it from an out of context "wtf?" to a clearer sense of WHY she's angry. If she wants to scream into the void of social media, she can, but if she wants to hold herself out as someone with the goal of educating people, she's got to adjust her approach. 

THIS.  I am an avid book reader, and I have read and loved the entire Harry Potter series.  I know JK Rowling has made anti-transgender statements in the past on Twitter.  I had not heard of her new book, nor knew anything about the drama surrounding it.  After reading Mariah's latest rage-fest, I did my own research and now I know.  As stated above, Mariah leaves her followers to do their own research (much like her bonus mom Janelle) and in doing so, assumes that if we didn't immediately know exactly what she's talking about, she'd be ready with a stream of expletive-filled responses letting us know how incredibly stupid we are.  I'm not on Twitter so I can't see if she did do that, but that's the underlying presumption I always get when I read her posts...like I'm supposed to react with, "ZOMG Mariah said that??  THEN I AGREE!  You go girl!"

Whatever your stance, I don't know that this book will cause death and blood and violence and daggers.  If it goes against everything you believe in, it's absolutely your right to not read it.  Mariah's tweets only serve to inflame, not inform.  If she's trying to be a spokesperson for any group, she's failing.

Slightly OT - regarding JK Rowling - she made headlines when, after her books had all been published, she told the public that one of her most beloved characters in HP was in fact gay.  The outcry at that time was enormous, as in - how could she do that?  My kids read this!  Blasphemy!!  So the fact that she seems to be doing a 180 with her opinions is really odd.  As much as I loved her HP series and what it did for kids and reading, I don't really get what she's trying to accomplish.

[sharkerbaby]

5 hours ago, Sandy W said:

For starters, she may want to re-think the symbol she uses to present her ideas.  A clenched fist in the air indicates to me this is not a person open to discourse and exchange of concepts, but rather someone who has entrenched ideals and if you don't 100% support her, don't even bother to engage.  An open palm extended, showing that she is willing to accept input and offer her viewpoint without recriminations, may attract more awareness and understanding of her cause.

That symbol is actually quite common and has seen a huge resurgence recently.  There is quite a bit of history behind her Twitter avatar and in fact actually accurately represents her activism and what she rallies behind.  It is known as the Black Power fist, has been adopted by the organization Black Lives Matter, and is generally used as a symbol of black nationalism, power, solidarity, socialism, and radicalism.  Here are three links for additional info.  The first only allows you to read a brief bit before throwing up a subscription request but is generally viewed as reliable the other two are wikipedia

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/07/history-of-raised-fist-global-symbol-fighting-oppression/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist 

& 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Power

The LGBTQ+ activist community and radical feminists also uses the Power Fist symbol and sometimes adds a gender"ish" designater with it

Edited September 15, 2020 by sharkerbaby

[deirdra]

JK Rowling wrote her new book under her male nom de plume - Robert Galbraith.  Why doesn't Mariah say something about that?

[questionfear]

17 hours ago, deirdra said:

JK Rowling wrote her new book under her male nom de plume - Robert Galbraith.  Why doesn't Mariah say something about that?

Mariah probably isn't aware of the original Robert Galbraith and his unfortunate psychiatric views: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

[OdinO.]

"your new book is the fucking dagger than will be dug into the bodies of transwomen across the world."

Than will be dug? Does she mean stabbed?

[Sandy W]

5 minutes ago, OdinO. said:

"your new book is the fucking dagger than will be dug into the bodies of transwomen across the world."

Than will be dug? Does she mean stabbed?

She probably felt that "dug" carries more dramatic impact.  "Stab" would indicate a simple thrust, where "dug" evokes images of churning and twisting.

[ginger90]

She’s back at it on Twitter, but honestly, I don’t even want to  post what she’s saying.

[OdinO.]

2 hours ago, Sandy W said:

She probably felt that "dug" carries more dramatic impact.  "Stab" would indicate a simple thrust, where "dug" evokes images of churning and twisting.

Than and then are different. Um is she in graduate school at or not?

[Sandy W]

14 minutes ago, OdinO. said:

Than and then are different. Um is she in graduate school at or not?

I think she meant "that", but she is so propelled by vitriol that she doesn't take time to proof-read.

[sharkerbaby]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

She’s back at it on Twitter, but honestly, I don’t even want to  post what she’s saying.

Up until now I have not read any of Mariah's social media ramblings and have ever so gratefully followed along with @ginger90 's reposts.  (THANK YOU GINGER90!!!  you do the work and spare the rest of us!!)  But, I did take a look at her twitter to see what her latest rants were about and was quite happily surprised to see that most of the replies were actually contradicting and trying to get her to be at least a little more open to other thoughts and opinions.  I fully expected to see nothing but praise and adulation so color me surprised.  Now granted I didn't spend a heck of a lot of time there so I may have stumbled onto the exceptions to the rule but there was some push back.

[Sandy W]

1 hour ago, sharkerbaby said:

Up until now I have not read any of Mariah's social media ramblings and have ever so gratefully followed along with @ginger90 's reposts.  (THANK YOU GINGER90!!!  you do the work and spare the rest of us!!)  But, I did take a look at her twitter to see what her latest rants were about and was quite happily surprised to see that most of the replies were actually contradicting and trying to get her to be at least a little more open to other thoughts and opinions.  I fully expected to see nothing but praise and adulation so color me surprised.  Now granted I didn't spend a heck of a lot of time there so I may have stumbled onto the exceptions to the rule but there was some push back.

I'm not sure if Audge feels as strongly as Mariah over perceived assaults on their safety and well being, but if not, can you just imagine what she has to contend with once Mariah has worked herself into a frothing, foaming rage.

[TurtlePower]

10 hours ago, Sandy W said:

I'm not sure if Audge feels as strongly as Mariah over perceived assaults on their safety and well being, but if not, can you just imagine what she has to contend with once Mariah has worked herself into a frothing, foaming rage.

Mariah is an idiot who probably hasn't experienced anything truly traumatic (if she had, we'd have heard about it). Some us us in this world actually have been stalked and attacked by other humans. She acts like she speaks for everyone, as if she knows it all and some days I wish she'd STFU and learn about life versus screeching about what she thinks she knows.  

[itsadryheat]

14 hours ago, sharkerbaby said:

there was some push back

@mariahlian Sep 13

you are quite literally an idiot. and “branch out from cnn” btch i listen to npr. why don’t you branch out? SCIENCE SAYS THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO SEXES so your done bye

Wonder what science says that?? NPR science? Polygamy science? Woke science?  Mariah, the gift that keeps on giving.

Link has an interesting little exchange. Shout out to the brave souls pushing back .

[OdinO.]

Once again, your is not the same as you're. That must be grad school grammar. 

[LilWharveyGal]

32 minutes ago, OdinO. said:

Once again, your is not the same as you're. That must be grad school grammar. 

Her response to that is, "That's all you've got?" 🤦‍♀️

Warning: clicking on the link to see the pushback is not worth having to read her never ending and poorly written vitriol, IMO.

[Just Wondering]

“Power does insane things to our brains”

Wondering if the same can be said for platforms. 

[MargeGunderson]

On 9/15/2020 at 12:14 AM, Kbo said:

Apparently the new Cormoran Strike book (written by JK Rowling) has a serial killer who’s trans, which set off that diatribe.   The new book hasn’t even come out yet, so pretty strong words for a book she can’t possibly have read. 

*This doesn’t spoil any plot points in the book Troubled Blood*

Ok, I have finished the book and I now disagree with Mariah even more. I’ll put it this way - at the end of the book I was still wondering who the “transvestite” was. I’m using the outdated word because that was apparently the word used in an article in the Telegraph (UK) that started off the fracas about the book. Don’t get me wrong, Rowling has said some ignorant and hurtful things about transgender people, and she should be called out on them loudly and often. But I think saying the book is transphobic because of the supposedly “transvestite” character is more than a bit of a stretch. 

[Kohola3]

9 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

But I think saying the book is transphobic because of the supposedly “transvestite” character is more than a bit of a stretch. 

Thanks for that take on it.  It sounds like her typical "gut reaction without fact" MO.  She's so full of shit.

[TurtlePower]

On 9/17/2020 at 9:20 AM, itsadryheat said:

@mariahlian Sep 13

you are quite literally an idiot. and “branch out from cnn” btch i listen to npr. why don’t you branch out? SCIENCE SAYS THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO SEXES so your done bye

Wonder what science says that?? NPR science? Polygamy science? Woke science?  Mariah, the gift that keeps on giving.

Link has an interesting little exchange. Shout out to the brave souls pushing back .

Mariah is a ball of bad energy.  She knows very little about life and the humans trying to make it through life. She is filled with rage and hate, but feels as though she is in the right. She is like a Darth Vader in the making, also filled with rage and hate and felt he was in the right. Mariah is dangerous.  

Her angry rants don't seem like they should be the thoughts of a person who's studied yoga in Bali. "Yoga Mariah" is fake, "Hate Filled Mariah" is actual. That's who she is. An angry, hateful, partially-educated, obnoxious, screeching rage bomb. 

[Kohola3]

I especially love "power does insane things to our brains". 

Ever read your own rants, Princess?  You perceive yourself to be a powerful purveyor of social commentary - look at yourself in the mirror and consider what the power your THINK you possess has spawned.  Nothing but vitriole spewing forth to your adoring fans. Insane things to your brain indeed.

[Sandy W]

27 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:

Mariah is a ball of bad energy.  She knows very little about life and the humans trying to make it through life. She is filled with rage and hate, but feels as though she is in the right. She is like a Darth Vader in the making, also filled with rage and hate and felt he was in the right. Mariah is dangerous.  

Her angry rants don't seem like they should be the thoughts of a person who's studied yoga in Bali. "Yoga Mariah" is fake, "Hate Filled Mariah" is actual. That's who she is. An angry, hateful, partially-educated, obnoxious, screeching rage bomb. 

Thank you @Turtlepower for this concise summary of Mariah, you have nailed every aspect of her personality and I share your sentiments.  

In some ways, I pity Mariah, this should be a joyous time of her life.  She has no career responsibilities, she has found her "soulmate", she has no apparent financial concerns, lives and eats well, travels at will, and seems to have the support of her parents.

Instead of exulting in the many benefits she does have and directing her energy to acting in a positive manner to benefit others, she rages from her platform, spewing venom and hate.  I would be amazed if she doesn't have a gastric ulcer, developed as a result of her misdirected anger.

[laurakaye]

37 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

In some ways, I pity Mariah, this should be a joyous time of her life.  She has no career responsibilities, she has found her "soulmate", she has no apparent financial concerns, lives and eats well, travels at will, and seems to have the support of her parents.

Instead of exulting in the many benefits she does have and directing her energy to acting in a positive manner to benefit others, she rages from her platform, spewing venom and hate.  I would be amazed if she doesn't have a gastric ulcer, developed as a result of her misdirected anger.

I guess I don't get where her rage comes from.  She was raised a spoiled princess, never had to share a room, never lacked for food, clothing, and attended whatever school she wanted to go to at the expense of her siblings.  She came out on national tv and as far as we know was accepted and not shunned by everyone in her family.  It's like she's fighting a fight with a rage that belonged to another generation, if I may be so bold (and possibly naive).  But the way she belittles her followers and anyone who asks her a question to clarify her stance is really odd.  If she wants to be a voice, then educate your followers in a way that doesn't make them feel stupid and provoked.  She hasn't endured a struggle hard enough to come at anyone else with such vitriol, IMO.

[questionfear]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I guess I don't get where her rage comes from.  She was raised a spoiled princess, never had to share a room, never lacked for food, clothing, and attended whatever school she wanted to go to at the expense of her siblings.  She came out on national tv and as far as we know was accepted and not shunned by everyone in her family.  It's like she's fighting a fight with a rage that belonged to another generation, if I may be so bold (and possibly naive).  But the way she belittles her followers and anyone who asks her a question to clarify her stance is really odd.  If she wants to be a voice, then educate your followers in a way that doesn't make them feel stupid and provoked.  She hasn't endured a struggle hard enough to come at anyone else with such vitriol, IMO.

I think your last point is the most salient-she doesn't work to educate anyone, she just yells into the void. 

I get her anger, and I'll admit I've had moments in the last 72 hours of being on the verge of total panic attacks. On the other hand, when someone asked me why and didn't understand my anger, I was able to calmly explain it and the person walked away with a better understanding. Mariah has this amazing opportunity with a platform that most people don't have, and instead of using it to educate, she just screams, and I think thats what frustrates me about her. 

[Rabbit Hutch]

When Mariah first started grad school I thought that she was still rather immature, but that she'd grow out of it, like Mykelti.  Mykelti is still immature, but she's grown up somewhat along the way.  And, shes got a good attitude toward life. 

OTOH, Mariah seems to be getting worse, not better. She needs to take a break from her social justice career and go see a good therapist. I got a hunch that her future is going to have some dark spots in it if she doesn't learn to reign herself in.

[Kohola3]

52 minutes ago, Rabbit Hutch said:

OTOH, Mariah seems to be getting worse, not better. She needs to take a break from her social justice career and go see a good therapist.

It would require a whole team of therapists to rein her in but since she knows All About Everything Important in Life she's never going to see one.  She knows enough about the world to lecture, scold, and berate the rest of us for our stupidity.  Girl needs a muzzle.

[ginger90]

Mariah has mentioned numerous times that she does see a therapist. Mariah and Audrey stated at one point, they  both suffer from seasonal depression.

 

Remember this one?

[Kohola3]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Mariah has mentioned numerous times that she does see a therapist. Mariah and Audrey stated at one point, they  both suffer from seasonal depression.

It's certainly possible.  But it's equally possible that it's all a SM ploy to get "feels" from followers with the added bonus of getting their fake therapy dogs onboard the plane for free.  

[Meowwww]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Mariah has mentioned numerous times that she does see a therapist. Mariah and Audrey stated at one point, they  both suffer from seasonal depression.

 

Remember this one?

Why is her part in her grease mop, I mean hair, so wide?   I’m sure it’s light roots, but she’s looking like she’s thin up top.  

[Twopper]

On 9/17/2020 at 10:20 AM, itsadryheat said:

you are quite literally an idiot. and “branch out from cnn” btch i listen to npr. why don’t you branch out? SCIENCE SAYS THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO SEXES so your done bye

Wonder what science says that?? NPR science? Polygamy science? Woke science?  Mariah, the gift that keeps on giving.

Link has an interesting little exchange. Shout out to the brave souls pushing back .

Science says more than two sexes?   If a transperson is murdered and the body decomposes to leave only the skeleton, the ME will look at the skeleton and determine whether it was male or female.  Or there will be dna to identify it as M or F.  That, my dear Mariah, is science. That said, I am extremely empathetic to trans as my cousin is FTM.

On 9/20/2020 at 10:21 PM, MargeGunderson said:

But I think saying the book is transphobic because of the supposedly “transvestite” character is more than a bit of a stretch. 

I haven't read the book, but I know of at least 2 murderers who dressed as the opposite sex in order to avoid detection.  Obviously, since I know about it, the disguises did not work.

 

On 9/21/2020 at 9:35 AM, laurakaye said:

I guess I don't get where her rage comes from.  She was raised a spoiled princess, never had to share a room, never lacked for food, clothing, and attended whatever school she wanted to go to at the expense of her siblings.  She came out on national tv and as far as we know was accepted and not shunned by everyone in her family.  It's like she's fighting a fight with a rage that belonged to another generation, if I may be so bold (and possibly naive).  But the way she belittles her followers and anyone who asks her a question to clarify her stance is really odd.  If she wants to be a voice, then educate your followers in a way that doesn't make them feel stupid and provoked.  She hasn't endured a struggle hard enough to come at anyone else with such vitriol, IMO.

I don't think she really was a spoiled princess until TLC came along.  It sounds like the Browns were just sorta grifting along until then, and she was surrounded by emotionally stunted adults.  Plus she has probably come across a lot more people put off by her family's life style than by her being out.  I think there is a void in her life, and that is the source of the rage.  I doubt she has a clue as to what she is looking for.   I suspect she resents the presence of her other moms--especially Robin.  Heck, the addition of Robin is enough to be much of the source of her anger

[Sandy W]

2 hours ago, Twopper said:

 

 

I don't think she really was a spoiled princess until TLC came along.  

I think that her formative years were spent with the primary influence of Meri, who I think imbued her with the attitude that she was special.  She was the only child of the first and legal wife at that time, a position Meri reveled in, and no doubt imparted to Mariah that she was somehow superior to the others.  

[Scarlett45]

14 hours ago, Twopper said:

Science says more than two sexes?   If a transperson is murdered and the body decomposes to leave only the skeleton, the ME will look at the skeleton and determine whether it was male or female.  Or there will be dna to identify it as M or F. 

I think what Mariah is getting at (and I could be wrong) is that- some people are typically developing XX or XY, others are XO, some are XXY, while some are XY but develop with what we consider to be female characteristics and genitalia in utero due to androgen insensitivity. Also intersex people very much exist. 
 

Again who knows with Mariah but if her point is not to discount all the people that don’t naturally fit neatly into the XX/XY box but are assigned male/female at birth because that’s just what we do in our society, I don’t think that’s a bad point. 

[Sandy W]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think what Mariah is getting at (and I could be wrong) is that- some people are typically developing XX or XY, others are XO, some are XXY, while some are XY but develop with what we consider to be female characteristics and genitalia in utero due to androgen insensitivity. Also intersex people very much exist. 
 

Again who knows with Mariah but if her point is not not discount all the people that don’t naturally fit neatly into the XX/XY box but are assigned male/female at birth because that’s just what we do in our society I don’t think that’s a bad point. 

I will turn 83 this month and have not led a sheltered life.  I grew up in a major seaport city that was a mecca for radicals and free-thinkers and would like to think that with the exceptions of pedophilia and bestiality, I have a live and let live attitude.

What I don't understand, is the necessity to define one's sexuality with an alphabet soup of labels.  Just when I think I am grasping the difference between bisexuality and pansexuality, along comes two-spirit sexuality.  Why must the nuances of a person's sexuality demand recognition and be labeled?

As long as it is not harmful to others, I don't care what goes on in the confines of an individual's sexual experience.  My hope for each is if desired, they find a partner that shares their views and they can live a complete life.  Beyond that, don't expect me to champion their cause anymore than a heterosexual would expect recognition and respect for choosing a swingers lifestyle.  Their life, their choice.

[Scarlett45]

10 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

What I don't understand, is the necessity to define one's sexuality with an alphabet soup of labels.  Just when I think I am grasping the difference between bisexuality and pansexuality, along comes two-spirit sexuality.  Why must the nuances of a person's sexuality demand recognition and be labeled?

I think because language evolves and human beings (for the most part) use language to define the human experience and express themselves. Sexuality is a part of that.

I think especially for people who aren’t heteronormative, not being beaten, arrested, legally and socially ignored has long been a goal (which are all good things), but maybe that’s not enough for people. Which I get. 

I think it’s pretty natural to want to be seen and accepted for something that’s important to you. Even if it may not be important to other people in society. 
 

Happy Early Birthday. Mine was yesterday. 😁

[Sandy W]

18 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think because language evolves and human beings (for the most part) use language to define the human experience and express themselves. Sexuality is a part of that.

I think especially for people who aren’t heteronormative, not being beaten, arrested, legally and socially ignored has long been a goal (which are all good things), but maybe that’s not enough for people. Which I get. 

I think it’s pretty natural to want to be seen and accepted for something that’s important to you. Even if it may not be important to other people in society. 
 

Happy Early Birthday. Mine was yesterday. 😁

Thank you for your informative response.  I am not surprised that a balanced viewpoint would come from a fellow Libra.♎.  Happy Belated Birthday!

Edited October 4, 2020 by Sandy W

[Twopper]

3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think what Mariah is getting at (and I could be wrong) is that- some people are typically developing XX or XY, others are XO, some are XXY, while some are XY but develop with what we consider to be female characteristics and genitalia in utero due to androgen insensitivity. Also intersex people very much exist. 

I know that there are, and I guess I should have mentioned that in my remark, but those are not the people to whom  I thought Mariah referred.  They are people with various genetic defects that but for the defects would be male or female.  I don't think I am expressing this very well.  I thought she was referring to the LBBTQ+++++++ categories of sex.

[Scarlett45]

10 minutes ago, Twopper said:

I know that there are, and I guess I should have mentioned that in my remark, but those are not the people to whom  I thought Mariah referred.  They are people with various genetic defects that but for the defects would be male or female.  I don't think I am expressing this very well.  I thought she was referring to the LBBTQ+++++++ categories of sex.

Intersex people are a part of the LGTBQ+ umbrella. And many of those people also identify as LGBTQ. Because sex/gender/sexuality etc are intertwined I thought she was referring to those people. 
 

I think you statement “but for those defects would be male or female” points out that although we THINK in a binary, (and yes the majority fit into a binary), doesn’t mean the binary is all there is. We are just used to thinking that way. 
 

I know how Mariah can be- TRUST (lol). But that’s how I saw it. 

[Twopper]

14 hours ago, Sandy W said:

I think that her formative years were spent with the primary influence of Meri, who I think imbued her with the attitude that she was special.  She was the only child of the first and legal wife at that time, a position Meri reveled in, and no doubt imparted to Mariah that she was somehow superior to the others.  

Yes, I am sure that is a great part of her problem.  I was thinking more along the lines of being able to go to a private college while the others had to settle for state universities (not that there is anything wrong with state schools).  I am sure she heard her mother complain about Janelle especially, probably not as much about Christine, and even more about Robyn.  I think Kody divorcing her mother to marry Robyn has to make her very bitter.  If that happened to me,  I would be furious at all three of my "parents."  I think she is both empty inside and full of anger at her family.  And on tv, they seem very accepting of her and her gf, but I suspect there are undercurrents of non-acceptance of the relationship.  Kody keeps uprooting everyone as he follows the TLC goose that laid the golden egg for them.  Without TLC, they would be nowhere.  And she is probably still embarrassed by and disgusted with Meri over the catfishing. 

Hey!! did you know Meri was catfished?  /sarc

[Twopper]

2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I know how Mariah can be- TRUST (lol). But that’s how I saw it. 

I think I must be crazy for even trying to figure what she meant.  I just didn't think she had the intersex  in mind, but what the bleep do I know.  She just reminds me of someone I know who thinks that whatever she believes is her truth and that her truth supersedes whatever anyone else has to say about things and if you don't agree you are a hater and, therefore, evil.   

[Sandy W]

12 minutes ago, Twopper said:

Yes, I am sure that is a great part of her problem.  I was thinking more along the lines of being able to go to a private college while the others had to settle for state universities (not that there is anything wrong with state schools).  I am sure she heard her mother complain about Janelle especially, probably not as much about Christine, and even more about Robyn.  I think Kody divorcing her mother to marry Robyn has to make her very bitter.  If that happened to me,  I would be furious at all three of my "parents."  I think she is both empty inside and full of anger at her family.  And on tv, they seem very accepting of her and her gf, but I suspect there are undercurrents of non-acceptance of the relationship.  Kody keeps uprooting everyone as he follows the TLC goose that laid the golden egg for them.  Without TLC, they would be nowhere.  And she is probably still embarrassed by and disgusted with Meri over the catfishing. 

Hey!! did you know Meri was catfished?  /sarc

I think Meri committed the cardinal parenting sin of making her child a spousal substitute and used her as a sounding board to enumerate all of the perceived grievances she had with the other wives.

With the greatest respect to Helen Reddy (RIP), Meri's mantra to Mariah was likely "You And Me Against The World', where a more suitable encouragement may have been 'I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar'.  Mariah may have had far more respect for her mother if, instead of whining about her lot in life, she had stood up and took positive action to remove herself from what she felt was intolerable. 

Meri's futile overtures to the catfish don't count, as she would still be leaning in to someone she thought she could elicit financial and emotional support from, instead of leading by example and showing that she is truly the "Strong Woman" she purports to be.

[ginger90]

Mariah’s communication skills are lacking. I can find myself in the middle on an issue. Yell at me, call me names, and I will not be swayed or have any respect for what is said, even if in weeding out the crap, I would agree with the point.