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12 minutes ago, DollEyes said:

Oh, HELL, no! News Flash, Will: Chris Rock IS! A! COMEDIAN! He's been telling jokes for *decades*! Rock's joke about Jada may not have been his best, but you made it so much worse.  Plus, Rock's a Covid survivor, which is yet another reason why assaulting him isn't a good look. IIRC, Rock also joked about Javier Bardem and his wife Penelope Cruz, but they didn't overreact. 

You know, now that you mention it, the joke about Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz was actually pretty sexist and insulting to them both. Insinuating that Penelope is so insecure that she couldn’t handle it if he won while she didn’t. 

I have my doubts that Chris even wrote any of the jokes. They were stale is a way that I associate with jokes written for presenters. It wouldn’t surprise if Chris wrote a joke that was received poorly but he’s generally funnier than he was tonight. Amy’s jokes were the only ones that didn’t have that feel and I suspect she wrote or was involved in the writing of her own lines.

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1 minute ago, SHD said:

I wonder if people’s reaction would’ve been different if Jada had walked up there herself and slapped Chris Rock.

Didn't one of the females joke about them earlier? They laughed. 

 

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3 minutes ago, susannah said:

It occurred to me with all the "protecting his damsel in distress" wife, there is no mention of the fact that if SHE was bothered by the joke about her, SHE would be fully able to let Chris know, in private. Instead there is Smith, a misogynist, egotistical jerk. Jada be damned, he had to make it all about HIM.

Eh. I think that's putting a little too much onto it. Especially when we will never truly understand the dynamics of their marriage.

They have been getting jokes thrown at them a lot in the past couple of years. He may just have had enough. Not justifying anything. I'm just saying I don't think it's that deep.

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3 minutes ago, Dani said:

You know, now that you mention it, the joke about Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz was actually pretty sexist and insulting to them both. Insinuating that Penelope is so insecure that she couldn’t handle it if he won while she didn’t. 

I have my doubts that Chris even wrote any of the jokes. They were stale is a way that I associate with jokes written for presenters. It wouldn’t surprise if Chris wrote a joke that was received poorly but he’s generally funnier than he was tonight. Amy’s jokes were the only ones that didn’t have that feel and I suspect she wrote or was involved in the writing of her own lines.

I'm sure he wrote it. They were light/easy jokes to be honest. I don't think he was trying to go to hard. 

And that's what the Javier/Penelope joke was. A joke not literal. It wasn't an actual comment about them or their marriage. He saw there was a bit that could be made about spouses both up for big awards and went for it.

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1 minute ago, Racj82 said:

They have been getting jokes thrown at them a lot in the past couple of years.

Well, to be fair, Will and Jada put a lot of their own marital dirty laundry out there. They have been in the business long enough to know that could result in such scenarios like comedians targeting them.

Yes, tonight wasn't about that, but Will Smith's actions should make them both be more circumspect with their personal lives/issues going forward.

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6 minutes ago, SHD said:

I wonder if people’s reaction would’ve been different if Jada had walked up there herself and slapped Chris Rock.

A lot of people don't like Jada for various reasons and she has already been judged for being the most sour she could be at the joke (which is her right) so she would be judged just as harshly imo.

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Well, to be fair, Will and Jada put a lot of their own marital dirty laundry out there. They have been in the business long enough to know that could result in such scenarios like comedians targeting them.

Yes, tonight wasn't about that, but Will Smith's actions should make them both be more circumspect with their personal lives/issues going forward.

They should totally have thicker skin but even though they put some of it on themselves, it's still easier for me to say on the outside looking in. I don't condone unprovoked violence like that though. It could be the oscars or the supermarket.

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6 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

A lot of people don't like Jada for various reasons and she has already been judged for being the most sour she could be at the joke (which is her right) so she would be judged just as harshly imo.

They should totally have thicker skin but even though they put some of it on themselves, it's still easier for me to say on the outside looking in. I don't condone unprovoked violence like that though. It could be the oscars or the supermarket.

Oh, I think Will Smith is garbage for using violence on national TV. And he should have been hauled out. I am just pointing out the usual cause/effect as far as actors and their personal lives when high profile goes.

They should either keep it to themselves or have that mentioned thick skin. But don't be shocked when marriage, health, or whatever is used as fodder by others when you (universal you!) put it all out for mass consumption to start with.

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1 minute ago, Dani said:

You know, now that you mention it, the joke about Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz was actually pretty insulting to them both. Insinuating that Penelope is so insecure that she couldn’t handle it if he won while she didn’t. 

I have my doubts that Chris even wrote any of the jokes. They were stale is a way that I associate with jokes written for presenters. It wouldn’t surprise if Chris wrote a joke that was received poorly but he’s generally funnier than he was tonight. Amy’s jokes were the only ones that didn’t have that feel and I suspect she wrote or was involved in the writing of her own lines.

In the cases of Javier and Penelope, since they actually laughed at Rock's jokes about them, if they were offended, they didn't show it. IIRC, Rock has won Emmys for his comedy writing, so he may have written at least some of his own material, for better or worse. 

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It’s unfortunate that a joke that landed more on the side of tasteless than funny will now be remembered as arguably the biggest moment of this year’s show, when I don’t think it would have even warranted a passing mention tomorrow otherwise. 

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1 hour ago, Scout Finch said:

Will can even claim that God was the reason he interrupted, just like Kanye, who said "If God ain't want me to run onstage [on behalf of Beyonce], he wouldn't have sat me in the front row." I didn't know that one of God's many duties is setting up seating charts.

 

Well, it is the kind of thing you can do in the tub. (™Miss Alli)

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5 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

And that's what the Javier/Penelope joke was. A joke not literal. It wasn't an actual comment about them or their marriage. He saw there was a bit that could be made about spouses both up for big awards and went for it.

Oh, I wasn’t saying it was literal. I was saying it wasn’t funny because it relies on pretty sexist shit like “happy wife, happy life”. They were lazy jokes that desire an eye roll. 

1 minute ago, DollEyes said:

In the cases of Javier and Penelope, since they actually laughed at Rock's jokes about them, if they were offended, they didn't show it. IIRC, Rock has won Emmys for his comedy writing, so he may have written at least some of his own material, for better or worse. 

I wasn’t suggesting they were offended just that they would have been justified if they were. I don’t think you can go by people laughing at these things to indicate they thought it was funny or even weren’t offended. They are actors who know their role is to be good sports. People laughed at the train wreck that was Regina Hall groping presenters. 

I still really doubt the Chris wrote those jokes. Being a comedian doesn’t mean that they get to write their own jokes particularly when they are just presenters. The Oscars has writers who are paid to script the show. An individual may have some input but it tends to be less than most expect. Not long ago I read an interview with the head writer for the Oscar’s where he said that Steve Martin once refused to do a monologue joke when he was hosting. If Steve Martin isn’t writing his own jokes as host it seems unlikely that presenters are. Mainly the jokes just seemed like the unfunny generic crap that is usually written for the Oscars. 

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Patriarchy + toxic masculinity + mental illness = Will Smith

Will Smith can go fuck himself. He should have apologized to Chris Rock and you know who else? Questlove, because he shit all over Ahmir's moment. 

Violence in response to a comment is never acceptable. It was Denzel Washington and Sam Jackson talking to (not with) Will Smith during the break. Denzel's comment didn't mean the devil made him do it, it meant this is your moment and you're fucking it up, son. I'm wondering if they or someone (from Scientology) spoke with Chris Rock about letting this go from a legal standpoint.

I never cared that much for Jessica Chastain, but her acceptance speech made me a fan. Violence all around us indeed.

Oh, and WTF Keith Urban spending half of the show on the stage? No more front row seat for you, dude, stfd.

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54 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:
56 minutes ago, OnePlusOne said:

The "In Memoriam" segment was terrible and felt like it was more about the performers onstage, instead of those people we lost. So disrespectful.

Yeah, what was with the cheery song they switched to at one point?

I think that was "Spirit in the Sky," by Norman Greenbaum, which technically is a song about life after death. I take your larger point, though, and would really prefer, as others have noted, some quiet instrumental music, and the images of the deceased and their contributions to the film industry filling my entire TV screen, please. 

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It's amazing how little I care about the actual movies on these award shows. They are like beautiful pieces of art I respect but have no interest in. I give them a try every year but there is usually only one or two I actually enjoy watching.

I know people hate blockbuster movies these days but I know Spiderman stuck with me and made me cry in a way most of these movies ever will. 

I watch the oscars basically for the spectacle and on delay so I can fast forward.  It's the biggest night of the year for movies but most of the ones that are talked about are unimportant to a vast amount of people.

They keep trying to make changes to the show but they will always have this problem.

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1 hour ago, Phebemarie said:

I'm not trying to promote conspiracy theories, but Will Smith seems over it already...even immediately after he went back stage.   Could the whole thing have been a misguided effort to show the Oscars are "must watch" television again?  Chris Rock barely moved after the punch/slap and was able to move on to the award after what should have been an extremely traumatizing event.  It was just so odd seeing Will Smith in the audience afterwards acting like a happy winner cheering on his colleagues.  

I've never seen Chris like that.  He was incredibly shaken.  I think he was beyond shocked.

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7 minutes ago, susannah said:

Except a "nice guy" doesn't go around hitting people because they don't like what someone said, and I'm not sure how you know Jada was sensitive about her hair? Seems to me that it she was that sensitive about it, she would wear a wig or a hat or something. But, if Jada was bothered, then Jada could have handled it later.  She didn't need Neanderthal man to defend her. It is not known if Chris even knew she had alopecia. Then, he made a joke on her, just like all the comedians make jokes on the actors. There is no way Chris was at fault. Some of these "facts" aren't in evidence.

Nice people have horrible days. Violence is out of character for Will. I'm not going to judge him by one day when he's been well-liked for decades. 

I never said I knew Jada personally. lol You can look up what Jada's said about alopecia. 

I get condemning violence, wanting Will escorted out, concern for Chris Rock's safety. I still think the joke was tacky, cruel and not funny and like Will despite his behavior. 

I know my opinion for not being on the Will hate train is unpopular. To each his own. 

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1 hour ago, Scout Finch said:

I didn't know that one of God's many duties is setting up seating charts.

 

And, apparently, also arranging a relationship with someone 30 years younger for Ben on 90 Day Fiance.

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I’m guessing between Jane Champion’s nonsense about them a few awards shows ago & somehow Will Smith’s nonsense in sticking them in the middle of his stuff tonight, we shan’t be seeing Venus or Serena at an awards show any time soon!

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5 minutes ago, Dani said:

Oh, I wasn’t saying it was literal. I was saying it wasn’t funny because it relies on pretty sexist shit like “happy wife, happy life”. They were lazy jokes that desire an eye roll. 

I wasn’t suggesting they were offended just that they would have been justified if they were. I don’t think you can go by people laughing at these things to indicate they thought it was funny or even weren’t offended. They are actors who know their role is to be good sports. People laughed at the train wreck that was Regina Hall groping presenters. 

I still really doubt the Chris wrote those jokes. Being a comedian doesn’t mean that they get to write their own jokes particularly when they are just presenters. The Oscars has writers who are paid to script the show. An individual may have some input but it tends to be less than most expect. Not long ago I read an interview with the head writer for the Oscar’s where he said that Steve Martin once refused to do a monologue joke when he was hosting. If Steve Martin isn’t writing his own jokes as host it seems unlikely that presenters are. Mainly the jokes just seemed like the unfunny generic crap that is usually written for the Oscars. 

Rock makes jokes like that about men and women in marriages all the time. Nothing about his jokes read as someone else wrote it. I don't even think anyone wrote the Jada joke. It felt more like a off the cuff one liner than anything.

As a side note, some people keep going conspiracy theory here with Smith but you can look at one moment that will tell it's real. At a certain point when Will is yelling Rock starts to say boy I could...which means he knows he could go in on Will and Jada and actually be mean but he stepped back and kept it professional. That shit was not planned.

I'm sorry that people will feel that this overshadowing the show too much but people in general don't care about these movies. Even more than usual. None of these has a audience except for Dune and Encanto. Even West Side Story mostly flopped. The show would of mostly been forgotten otherwise except for cinephiles.

 

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If he had hit a woman, would you be excusing it too?

I started watching late on DVR and then my sister called so I'm behind on commenting.

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Any Best Movie Moments list that does not include Ellen Ripley saying, "Get away from her, you bitch!" is a Best Movie Moments list that is full of crap.

Best Movie Cheer belongs to the scene in Raiders when Indy pulls out his gun and shoots the swordsman. I remember seeing that in the theater for the first time and the cheers just about shook the walls.

Decided not to see King Richard when I learned about the real Richard WIlliams abandoning his first wife and children. Now I defintely won't bother.

Did anyone catch the crazy shoes Questlove was wearing? I saw them in the long shot as they walked off stage, some kind of fuzzy crocs?

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5 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Nice people have horrible days. Violence is out of character for Will. I'm not going to judge him by one day when he's been well-liked for decades. 

I never said I knew Jada personally. lol You can look up what Jada's said about alopecia. 

I get condemning violence, wanting Will escorted out, concern for Chris Rock's safety. I still think the joke was tacky, cruel and not funny and like Will despite his behavior. 

I know my opinion for not being on the Will hate train is unpopular. To each his own. 

People like other people who are jerks, if they are rich and famous. Bad behavior gets excused. You aren't going to judge him for hitting another person on a televised show, most likely hurting Chris, and then sit there and scream obscenities from his seat? You still don't know if Chris knew about the alopecia, but go ahead and blame the guy who got assaulted. Would you feel the same if the joke was made by a woman and Will hit her and screamed at her? What's the difference? Again, if he would do something like that on international tv, over a dumb joke, I highly doubt he is an angel in every other part of his life.

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12 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Nice people have horrible days. Violence is out of character for Will. I'm not going to judge him by one day when he's been well-liked for decades. 

I agree that nice people can have bad moments and lapses in judgement. And if he had shown even a degree of maturity in the aftermath I would be more forgiving. Instead he got up on stage and painted himself as a righteous defender. Violence may be out of character for him but it very telling that he wasn’t even remotely apologetic to the person he actually hit. 

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5 minutes ago, pennben said:

I’m guessing between Jane Champion’s nonsense about them a few awards shows ago & somehow Will Smith’s nonsense in sticking them in the middle of his stuff tonight, we shan’t be seeing Venus or Serena at an awards show any time soon!

I am truly clueless. I wondered why she brought tennis stars up at an awards show. I meant to watch King Richard, when it appeared on hulu, or HBO, whichever streaming service it was. 

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On the Red Carpet interviewed the young star of Belfast.(He had a cute story about Sofia Carson asking to be his date for the evening) But it occurred to me that there were 11 year olds in the audience watching the asshole physically assault another man and then hurl a multitude of obscenities. So good on ya, Big Willie Style.

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2 minutes ago, Anela said:

I am truly clueless. I wondered why she brought tennis stars up at an awards show. I meant to watch King Richard, when it appeared on hulu, or HBO, whichever streaming service it was. 

It's back on hbomax now.

I forgot to say that the Zack Snyder fanboys have to be most pathetic/laughable of all the fanboys.

You can literally tell that they banded together to get Snyder wins for those voting contest they did. I'm sure they feel like justice has finally been served or whatever they like to complain about.

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29 minutes ago, FoundTime said:

Well, it is the kind of thing you can do in the tub. (™Miss Alli)

That's exactly where I learned that from. One time when I was driving around a mall parking lot, the religious friend who was with me actually prayed out loud for me to find a parking space. My response: "God is in the tub, Rena. Don't bother him."

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8 minutes ago, Anela said:

I am truly clueless. I wondered why she brought tennis stars up at an awards show. I meant to watch King Richard, when it appeared on hulu, or HBO, whichever streaming service it was. 

In her critics choice acceptance speech Jane Campion made the asinine decision to demean Venus and Serena’s accomplishments by saying, "You are such marvels. However, you do not play against the guys like I have to."

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2 minutes ago, Dani said:

In her critics choice acceptance speech Jane Campion made the asinine decision to demean Venus and Serena’s accomplishments by saying, "You are such marvels. However, you do not play against the guys like I have to."

I know, and I thought it was gross. I just didn't connect the dots, as to why she mentioned them at all.

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I hope this isn't "too soon", but...

The Academy Awards have been trying to figure out for years how to punch things up a bit. I don't think what happened tonight with Will Smith and Chris Rock was what they had in mind.

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39 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Nice people have horrible days. Violence is out of character for Will. I'm not going to judge him by one day when he's been well-liked for decades.

I just can't get past the fact that he left his seat, walked onto the stage in front of a packed audience and millions of people and still chose violence.  So much time for a cooler head to prevail and he didn't. And he didn't apologize for it.

28 minutes ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Best Movie Cheer belongs to the scene in Raiders when Indy pulls out his gun and shoots the swordsman. I remember seeing that in the theater for the first time and the cheers just about shook the walls.

And one of the best improv scenes.  Or at least day-of changes.  Much of the cast was so sick that day that Ford asked Spielberg if he could just pull out a gun and shoot him instead of the planned sword fight.

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I wonder if people’s reaction would’ve been different if Jada had walked up there herself and slapped Chris Rock.

Different? Maybe but I still think it'd be criticism. 

And for those who think he'd be arrested if he weren't will smith--unlikely.  There are a lot of fights that happen that don't end in arrest. 

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5 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

And for those who think he'd be arrested if he weren't will smith--unlikely.  There are a lot of fights that happen that don't end in arrest. 

If the victim presses charges, they most likely are.

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I see a lot of people elsewhere saying that Rock was punching down at Jada because of her medical condition. I don't understand why people keep talking about that part as if it was common knowledge. 

Also people are saying that Rock has history of jokes at Jada's expense which is news to me.

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1 hour ago, SHD said:

I wonder if people’s reaction would’ve been different if Jada had walked up there herself and slapped Chris Rock.

Absolutely not! As I said, it's NEVER okay to slap, punch, or otherwise assault ANYONE! Keep your hands to yourself people...especially on national TV, no less. 😞

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39 minutes ago, dmeets said:

My Facebook feed currently has no fewer than a dozen “we don’t talk about Jada no, no, no” memes. So yeah, Will2K is going to come out of this just fine.

Heh, I love this one.

Things we don't talk about at the Oscars:

1. Bruno

2. Jada Smith

 

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