Episode Discussion: TFGH

[ulkis]

When was she ever seen with him

They had some random one on one scenes in the brownstone last year, and also interacted when Levi was having a sit in there.

[Donny Ketchum]

They had some random one on one scenes in the brownstone last year, and also interacted when Levi was having a sit in there.

Link to either one?  Such a random screen pairing must be seen! :)

[Oracle42]

I understand that there are people who genuinely enjoy Nina and Nathan. That just doesn't affect my opinion that they are both wastes of time and space.

Although, I will concede that an actor who was even minimally capable could probably make Nathan less of an automatic FF. My problem with Nathan is primarily with his portrayal

[ulkis]

Link to either one? Such a random screen pairing must be seen! :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=COR298Hg4yE

[HeatLifer]

There was another scene where it was just Maxie and Morgan. I wish I remembered the date.

ETA: It's Oct. 1, 2014. Maybe someone will have luck finding their scenes.

Edited July 22, 2015 by HeatLifer

[Oracle42]

I'd much rather see Michael/Maxie or Maxie/Morgan. It would be a huge improvement over all of their current pairings

[ulkis]

There was another scene where it was just Maxie and Morgan. I wish I remembered the date.

ETA: It's Oct. 1, 2014. Maybe someone will have luck finding their scenes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4cSjQiMyk

Not just their scenes though.

[HeatLifer]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4cSjQiMyk

Not just their scenes though.

Yes! You rock.

I love them. "It's just breakfast, Maxie." "I thought you were off carbs?" "It's a cheat day." Morgan looks at Maxie with a mix of annoyance and confusion. <3

[Lillybee]

Forget Shakesphere. Sonny maybe read Mario Puzo's The Godfather and really didn't understand it.

 

I hate that Sonny talked about mob business with TJ; I hope that he is not planning on making TJ the new Stone or Jason.

 

Sonny does have a history of preying on vulnerable young men.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Lillybee

[Tiger]

Maybe he watched West Side Story.

That would explain the jazz hands.

[Mrs. Stanwyck]

While I thought the Tracy - Luke scenes ended on a high note, I was kind of pissed at how they started.  Tracy is telling Luke that she's had a miserable year (because of him), that she hasn't laughed and hasn't had any fun and instead of appearing remorseful he just sat there looking pissy.  I thought Tracy should have just punched him in the mouth and walked away.  

 

And I agree with everyone else, those final scenes were JE and TG and they were wonderful.

[Sake614]

What really got me about the Sonny/TJ scenes was TJ asking Sonny if HE was okay. "Oh I wasn't worried about myself, but are you okay?" What the HELL????

[minirth]

Funnily enough, even as a straight woman in the age range of these "hunks" none of them do anything for me. Why? Because most of them can't act, their characters are underdeveloped and shallow (think: trees, cardboard cutouts and blocks of wood), they lack charisma and presence, and look (and act) like Ken dolls. It actually makes me dislike them because soap men used to be so romantic and charming along with their good looks. Attraction and appeal is about more than just the outside, and I wish Ron and Frank would get that.

Sexiest actor GH ever had? Ron Hale, no question. (He played Sonny's father Mike.) Back in the day on Ryan's Hope*. he played a smooth-talking doctor who was, quite frankly, a cad. He was a swinging 70s bachelor and he was AWESOME! He wasn't the handsomest man in the room, but he was so SMART and funny and he had amazing charisma with everyone. And as an older man? OMG. GH never did enough with him.

I've been on the barge for a while (until TG is gone at least) but have been laughing my ass off at all y'all's (sorry, I live in Texas, that's mandatory down here) commentary on the Notdead!Jake story. The entire discussion about spare toddlers had me crying. I love y'all.

*I miss the good old days of SoapNet. I will always be grateful to it for introducing me to Ryan's Hope.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Sexiest actor GH ever had? Ron Hale, no question.(He played Sonny's father Mike.) Back in the day on Ryan's Hope*. he played a smooth-talking doctor who was, quite frankly, a cad. He was a swinging 70s bachelor and he was AWESOME! He wasn't the handsomest man in the room,but he was so SMART and funny and he had amazing charisma with everyone. And as an older man? OMG. GH never did enough with him.

This is clearly subjective, but No way is Ron Hale sexier than Tristan Rogers. As far as I'm concerned, he was (and still is) the sexiest, most charming, charismatic actor that GH produced during my tween, teen, adult years. RobertFucking!Scorpio? HELLSYEAH!

[Sake614]

I loved Ron Hale back in the day, but yeah, I have to agree with GHSR. No way Ron outshines Tristan Rogers :)

[SlovakPrincess]

This is clearly subjective, but No way is Ron Hale sexier than Tristan Rogers. As far as I'm concerned, he was (and still is) the sexiest, most charming, charismatic actor that GH produced during my tween, teen, adult years. RobertFucking!Scorpio? HELLSYEAH!

As a fellow member of the Age Inapppropriate Crush on Scorpio Club (I'm Robin's age) ... let me just co-sign this.

He had some seriously funny looking hair in the early 80s -- and he even made that sexy.

[boes]

Sexiest actor GH ever had? Ron Hale, no question. (He played Sonny's father Mike.) Back in the day on Ryan's Hope*. he played a smooth-talking doctor who was, quite frankly, a cad. He was a swinging 70s bachelor and he was AWESOME! He wasn't the handsomest man in the room, but he was so SMART and funny and he had amazing charisma with everyone. And as an older man? OMG. GH never did enough with him.

I've been on the barge for a while (until TG is gone at least) but have been laughing my ass off at all y'all's (sorry, I live in Texas, that's mandatory down here) commentary on the Notdead!Jake story. The entire discussion about spare toddlers had me crying. I love y'all.

*I miss the good old days of SoapNet. I will always be grateful to it for introducing me to Ryan's Hope.

 

I think we all can share.  While I think our own Mr. Rogers is definitely no slouch, I'll be standing in the Ron Hale line first.  

And he'll always be the delightfully, devious, devilish Roger Coleridge to me!

[DollEyes]

 

I'd much rather see Michael/Maxie or Maxie/ Morgan. It would be a vast improvement over all their current pairings.

 

  The only Michael I want to see Maxie with is MichaelWOP and now that he apparently doesn't exist anymore, that ship has sailed. As for Morgan/Maxie, I hope not. I'm not the biggest Maxie fan, but she doesn't deserve Morgan.

 

  That being said, I actually liked the Maxie/Nathan scenes.  Given what's happened too much on this show, seeing two characters actually having sex for the right reasons is a breath of fresh air.   At least those scenes didn't offend me, unlike Sonny's bonding with TJ and/or his lecturing Julian. Talk about FF material!

[tveyeonyou]

Did she actually say affair?  I thought she just said she thought Lulu and Dillon were keeping a secret from him and Dante was the one who leapt to affair, after he spied on them.

 

I dunno.  Obviously, she wanted Dante, but I don't think she was actively scheming to get him to that point, if that makes sense.

Yeah, maybe she didn't use the actual word "affair", I'm not really sure because I watch with one eye these days, but she certainly fanned the flames with some of her behavior, at least IMO. After the whole newspaper debacle where Valerie was all Stand-By-Your-Man-Girl she seemed to take a proprietary interest in Dante and it really just pissed me off the way she went all judgy on Lulu when it's really none of her business.

I don't know, maybe it's just the actress that gets on my nerves but even yesterday when she was all grabbing Dante's arm and making excuses for him, it was really annoying to me.

Passive-aggressive behavior, thy name is Valerie.

[BestestAuntEver]

As a fellow member of the Age Inapppropriate Crush on Scorpio Club (I'm Robin's age) ... let me just co-sign this.

He had some seriously funny looking hair in the early 80s -- and he even made that sexy.

Pulls up a chair. I'm a couple years older than KMC and I would do TR in a heart beat. Those eyes, that smile.......

[dubbel zout]

I don't know, maybe it's just the actress that gets on my nerves but even yesterday when she was all grabbing Dante's arm and making excuses for him, it was really annoying to me.

Passive-aggressive behavior, thy name is Valerie.

 

That bugs me, too. I wish she'd look Lulu in the eye and say, "Yeah, we kissed. Deal with it." She could at least own her part in it and not make a million excuses. "You lied to Dante! He was mad! He was sad!" Valerie often seems to be saying she had no choice but to go along with Dante's actions. Ugh.

[ulkis]

That bugs me, too. I wish she'd look Lulu in the eye and say, "Yeah, we kissed. Deal with it." She could at least own her part in it and not make a million excuses. "You lied to Dante! He was mad! He was sad!" Valerie often seems to be saying she had no choice but to go along with Dante's actions. Ugh.

 

Well, if she said that, I'd still think she was a jerk. More like . . . "Yeah, we kissed. I'm sorry, but I can't take it back now, so we should all just move on."

 

Although Lulu wasn't really taking responsibility either. "Yeah I lied but you tattled!" Like I said . . . you can tell they're related.

[TeeVee329]

Valerie often seems to be saying she had no choice but to go along with Dante's actions. Ugh.

 

I get, in this case, Val wanting to frame Dante as the one who initiated the kiss, which he in fact did. 

 

If Lulu had gotten any inkling Valerie initiated it, she probably would have gotten in her car and run Valerie over only to discover Valerie alive on a Greek island five years later.

Edited July 22, 2015 by TeeVee329

[magnolia11]

I get, in this case, Val wanting to frame Dante as the one who initiated the kiss, which he in fact did. 

 

If Lulu had gotten any inkling Valerie initiated it, she probably would have gotten in her car and run Valerie over only to discover Valerie alive on a Greek island five years later.

 

Well, technically it would be only four years later, but everyone would be talking incessantly about how it was five.

[ulkis]

I get, in this case, Val wanting to frame Dante as the one who initiated the kiss, which he in fact did. 

 

If Lulu had gotten any inkling Valerie initiated it, she probably would have gotten in her car and run Valerie over only to discover Valerie alive on a Greek island five years later.

 

All the cops massacred . . . all the random photos of cops with pornstaches on the wall ripped and broken . . . 

Edited July 22, 2015 by ulkis

[GHScorpiosRule]

Okay, I haven't watched since Lucky returned Jake to Liz. So like, Tuesday-Friday of last week and this week's. So maybe I shouldn't say anything since I haven't seen the episodes. Yet. BUT...

 

I realize and know that Dante initiated that first kiss, but where in the BLUEDILLY FUCK did he lead her on? I didn't see any of that. Well, of the scenes I didn't fast forward anyway. She's the one who attached herself to him like a limpet and got him coffee and breakfast and "DEFENDED" him to the press as not being racist...I saw some...looks...but no leading on.  Now JASUS? What he did to Liz before he reunited with Sam and Faison shot and killed him? That's my definition of leading on.

 

Unless the definition of leading on has changed?

Edited July 22, 2015 by GHScorpiosRule

[ulkis]

Okay, I haven't watched since Lucky returned Jake to Liz. So like, Tuesday-Friday of last week and this week's. So maybe I shouldn't say anything since I haven't seen the episodes. Yet. BUT...

 

I realize and know that Dante initiated that first kiss, but where in the BLUEDILLY FUCK did he lead her on? I didn't see any of that. Well, of the scenes I didn't fast forward anyway. She's the one who attached herself to him like a limpet and got him coffee and breakfast and "DEFENDED" him to the press as not being racist...I saw some...looks...but no leading on.  Now JASUS? What he did to Liz before he reunited with Sam and Faison shot and killed him? That's my definition of leading on.

 

Unless the definition of leading on has changed?

 

Well, after she stopped the first kiss, this is the dialogue:

 

Valerie: Dante, what are you doing?

Dante: Probably the same thing Lulu and Dillon are doing.

Valerie: And that's a good reason?

Dante: Every time I close my eyes, I see them together, and I don't want to see that anymore.

Valerie: Of course, you don't.

Dante: But -- you're beautiful and you're smart and you're kind.

Valerie: You don't want to do this.

Dante: Yeah, I do. There's something between us, Valerie, and don't tell me you don't feel that, too.

 

And then the morning after they had sex, he said "and I reacted [to Lulu's "cheating"] in the dumbest way I could have possibly have", and then she got a hurt look on her face, so after that he said that neither of them were the type of people who would just jump into bed for a cheap screw, and then he gave her another kiss.

 

So on one hand, he was leading her on. On the other . . . even if he had/has feelings for her, even if Lulu HAD been cheating . . . expecting him to just jump into a relationship with her and thinking that relationship is going to be just great is tad bit naive. And Valerie wasn't even around for the water toxin, so I don't know what her excuse for dumbness is.

Edited July 22, 2015 by ulkis

[peachmangosteen]

I can't even remember if I watched yesterday's ep or not lol.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Well, after she stopped the first kiss, this is the dialogue:

 

Valerie: Dante, what are you doing?

Dante: Probably the same thing Lulu and Dillon are doing.

Valerie: And that's a good reason?

Dante: Every time I close my eyes, I see them together, and I don't want to see that anymore.

Valerie: Of course, you don't.

Dante: But -- you're beautiful and you're smart and you're kind.

Valerie: You don't want to do this.

Dante: Yeah, I do. There's something between us, Valerie, and don't tell me you don't feel that, too.

 

And then the morning after they had sex, he said "and I reacted [to Lulu's "cheating"] in the dumbest way I could have possibly have", and then she got a hurt look on her face, so after that he said that neither of them were the type of people who would just jump into bed for a cheap screw, and then he gave her another kiss.

 

So on one hand, he was leading her on. On the other . . . even if he had/has feelings for her, even if Lulu HAD been cheating . . . expecting him to just jump into a relationship with her and thinking that relationship is going to be just great is tad bit naive. And Valerie wasn't even around for the water toxin, so I don't know what her excuse for dumbness is.

 

 

Well shit. And Damn. And FUCK.

 

And those were the scenes I fast forwarded, so there you go. But I call Bullshit on that dialogue because it was made up/thrown in to have the show say "See! See! Dante did lead Valerie on!" just so he can look worse in this clusterfuck of a stupidass story and to show that Dante isn't blameless. Not that I'm saying he would be if he'd screwed Valerie without saying those words. I just am not going to believe that he wanted it too, and has been wanting it and him thinking Looloo cheated gave him the perfect excuse to do so.

 

Does that make sense?

 

In short, Dante has to look like MORE of the bad guy than Valerie. Ergh. It all makes sense in my head.

[Bill C.]

Having come in almost literally right before that happened, GHSR, I actually agree with you.  Valerie's not blameless (and I'm typing that under protest from my inner pig, which is declaring that she needs a total pass due to her stupid hotness), but the show had to point out that Dante was the one who initiated it all.  My secondary opinion, though, is that they're doing it in part to make him seem just that much more like his dear old, Shakespeare-reading, Moe Greene-like (insert shot of Alexis side-eyeing her laptop) dad; see also his chat with Jordan.

 

And Dillon's random-as-hell "Enjoy your pancakes!" has automatically become the stealth UCG moment of the past two weeks of this damn show.  I just needed to clarify that.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Bill C.

[TeeVee329]

In short, Dante has to look like MORE of the bad guy than Valerie. Ergh. It all makes sense in my head.

 

Male characters - especially under Ron - too often tend to skate in these situations so I'm fine with the show reminding us of his active role in this happening.

[magnolia11]

 My secondary opinion, though, is that they're doing it in part to make him seem just that much more like his dear old, Shakespeare-reading, Moe Greene-like (insert shot of Alexis side-eyeing her laptop) dad; see also his chat with Jordan.

 

That right there is probably what I hate most about this story.  One of the biggest parts of Dante's appeal as a character (to me) was that even though he shared DNA with the Sperminator, he was, in contrast, a decent human being.  Not that he's on Sonny's level (yet), but it just irks me to see any parallels drawn between their behavior.  I even cringed when Dante destroyed barware last week.

[SlovakPrincess]

That right there is probably what I hate most about this story. One of the biggest parts of Dante's appeal as a character (to me) was that even though he shared DNA with the Sperminator, he was, in contrast, a decent human being. Not that he's on Sonny's level (yet), but it just irks me to see any parallels drawn between their behavior. I even cringed when Dante destroyed barware last week.

Every last character is eventually destroyed by this writing team. Poor Dante held out as long as he could ... before the body snatchers stole his brains and personality.

Perhaps when his offscreen lover Anna finally succumbed to the epidemic of character destruction, Dante just couldn't stay strong anymore ...

[dubbel zout]

I get, in this case, Val wanting to frame Dante as the one who initiated the kiss, which he in fact did.

 

So she should be saying that: "Yes, I kissed Dante. But he made the first move." Again, she's not taking responsibility for any of this. What's next, Dante's penis was in the neighborhood and just happened to fall into her vagina?

 

I know she can't win with Lulu no matter what she says, but Valerie has GOT to stop with the helpless-little-me crap. (It's a personal button for me, so I know I'm overly worked up about it.)

 

Male characters - especially under Ron - too often tend to skate in these situations so I'm fine with the show reminding us of his active role in this happening.

 

Definitely. We need some outside characters to rag on Dante cheating to start balancing those scales, though. The men don't get called names. (Lucky calling Nik a farm animal is the exception to the rule. And that's hardly on par with slut/whore/tramp that the women always get.)

 

I have to stop posting on this story, as it always leads to a rage blackout. Here's hoping it's over before Olivia comes back, or I'm going to have an aneurysm from all the stupidity.

Edited July 22, 2015 by dubbel zout

[LeftPhalange]

I want Valerie to shut up because everything she says and does is wrong. 

[TeeVee329]

I kinda loved Laura shading all over Nikolas and Liz:

 

Nikolas/Liz: I guess we'll never know who Jake Doe is.

 

Laura: Suuure, because big, life-altering secrets are never exposed.  Like, just for instance, abandoning a child and never mentioning him to anyone neeever comes back around, naaah.

 

But of course, as I expected, Nikolas played that exact card with Laura.  And she didn't even slap him!  Boo!

[backhometome]

Carly always makes the most of everything. Sam was more subdued than her and its her dead husbands kid (with another woman).

 

Only good thing Elizabeth did today was tell Carly that Lucky was his father not fucking Jason.

 

Elizabeth really doesn't want Sam/Danny near Jason/Jake. She always gets this bitchy look on her face when Sam interacts with Jake and now with her wanting Danny to know his brother.

 

For some reason I always thought Lucky was older than Nik. But Nik was born first??

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Just saw the previews with Luke pointing the gun at his own chest and closing his eyes. YES! YES! YES!

 

Pull the trigger!!!!

[Harmony233]

Carly always makes the most of everything. Sam was more subdued than her and its her dead husbands kid (with another woman).

 

Only good thing Elizabeth did today was tell Carly that Lucky was his father not fucking Jason.

 

Elizabeth really doesn't want Sam/Danny near Jason/Jake. She always gets this bitchy look on her face when Sam interacts with Jake and now with her wanting Danny to know his brother.

 

For some reason I always thought Lucky was older than Nik. But Nik was born first??

Yeah Nik was born first when laura was an hostage at cassadine island.

[rur]

I kinda loved Laura shading all over Nikolas and Liz:

 

I liked the LWOP that surfaced for a while there, enough so that I decided to fanwank that when she disappears from the screen for a couple months it'll be because she's tired of Helena and has gone off to get rid of her once and for all. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

For some reason I always thought Lucky was older than Nik. But Nik was born first??

 

Yes. Nik was born when Stavros was holding Laura hostage on the Island between '82-'83.

 

Laura was pregnant in 1984--when she and Luke made a brief appearance during the whole gold treasure hunt. I forget the name.

[Bringonthedrama]

Nikolas' play: "Mother, you kept my existence a secret to keep your family together" to get Laura to keep her mouth shut...No words. Good acting from GF with the horror and disgust that this is about ELQ?money (before Nik said he's doing the same thing she did). Lucky was not okay with it, douche, and you know it. You didn't talk to him after he left to know his thinking.

 

Of course Carly doesn't say "I'm your dad's/Lucky's cousin" as a reasonable explanation after Liz's line about Lucky when little Jake wonders why she's crying. It's all "you were so important to my best friend in the whole world" then cries to Sam that Jake looks and sounds just. like. Jason. Um Carly you didn't even know Jason as a child. Gag. 

 

I enjoy watching Genie. So there's that. 

[TeeVee329]

Also?  Oh fuck, Felix.  Why Brad would tell that annoying, busybody, nosy non-friend the time of day, let alone a super secret, is beyond me.

Edited July 22, 2015 by TeeVee329

[tveyeonyou]

Felix drops the soap in the shower?

 

 

[Bringonthedrama]

And Dillon's random-as-hell "Enjoy your pancakes!" has automatically become the stealth UCG moment of the past two weeks of this damn show.  I just needed to clarify that.

The best/only great nuDillon moment so far in my opinion. I love that his delivery made it sound like an F You to his father.  Fabulous. 

[HeatLifer]

I don't know what's worse, no one knowing Jake is Jason or everyone knowing and keeping their mouths shut. I can't take it anymore. Fuck. This storyline has dragged the shit out. I'll see y'all in 2019.

[AuxArx]

I can't help it, I like Felix.  Yes, he's a busy body, but he's not a killer or a lunatic.  Plus, the kid is put together, and this old lady kind of enjoyed looking at shirtless Felix today.  I'm shallow, and I don't care who knows it!

[SlovakPrincess]

There's pretty much no way in hell I believe Laura would keep her mouth shut about this. Aaaaand the Jakeson bus rolls right on over Laura ...

Show, do better. Like, really a LOT better.

[ulkis]

Having come in almost literally right before that happened, GHSR, I actually agree with you.  Valerie's not blameless (and I'm typing that under protest from my inner pig, which is declaring that she needs a total pass due to her stupid hotness), but the show had to point out that Dante was the one who initiated it all.  My secondary opinion, though, is that they're doing it in part to make him seem just that much more like his dear old, Shakespeare-reading, Moe Greene-like (insert shot of Alexis side-eyeing her laptop) dad; see also his chat with Jordan.

 

And Dillon's random-as-hell "Enjoy your pancakes!" has automatically become the stealth UCG moment of the past two weeks of this damn show.  I just needed to clarify that.

 

I mean, you could also read it this way too: Dante tried to kiss her because he wants revenge sex, she rejects, and he's like, how can I get her into bed? I'll talk about how we're connected! Which makes him a pig, but since a week before that episode he laughed off Maxie's warning and told Lulu she had nothing to worry about (in a perfectly sincere way, it wasn't played with any "haha totally lying to myself" by DZ), it seems plausible to me.

[Lillybee]

I wonder if Brad's secret has anything to do with where Jake's kidney came from.