Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Oracle42]

I think Liz needs time in a box, to think about what she's done. Can we call  Viv Alamain from DOOL to see what can be done about that?

I cracked up, it was very much like. "wait? I am lying to get all of this, and he's defaulting back to the whole "Can't be with you, gotta kill for a living, see ya toots" 

I just… How is this her happy ending? He's not her best friend, he's not the man who chose to spend his life with her, he's not even the best sex she's ever had - how is this worth it for her?

[Daisy]

I just… How is this her happy ending? He's not her best friend, he's not the man who chose to spend his life with her, he's not even the best sex she's ever had - how is this worth it for her?

 

(shrug) I don't know. like. I never really got the idea/notion that she was still pining away for Jason. (again, I stopped watching pretty much after Liz went all "I can't be known as not perfect, gonna kill myself because I slept with Nik and Lucky found out") so maybe there was something there that I don't know? 

And TeeVee mentioned this as a joke (ie - Carly's reaction) - but to me - this whole entire storyline would make more sense if it was Carly. Carly has loved Jason for ever, and this "best friend" thing to me has always been something Carly clung to so she could always be a part of Jason's life. I could easily see Carly making that speech to Nik, saying,everything she said - and it would even make more sense because - she hates Sam. She doesn't like the Quartermaines, everything is compounded because MIchael left to go to the Quartermaines, so in her twisted little head, she's taking Jason as compensation. (which would also echo back to the Jason has memory loss, sleeps with Carly, Carly lies, they split up. and it is super compounded because of everyone involved)

 

It being Liz... meh. except that "Liason" can happen until you know. they break up coz danger, danger. 

 

And i honestly feel people keep forgetting that Liz flat out told Robin that she doesn't like having sex, but Nik makes her feel things that she didn't think was possible since her rape. so why is she all dewy for Jake? 

[ulkis]

And i honestly feel people keep forgetting that Liz flat out told Robin that she doesn't like having sex, but Nik makes her feel things that she didn't think was possible since her rape. so why is she all dewy for Jake? 

 

I think it's more like people ignore that line, because it was a line that made no sense for her character, said during a terrible storyline.

[peachmangosteen]

Dante has single-handedly saved these last two eps for me.

 

I fast forwarded like 85% of this ep so I can't really comment on it.

 

I think the only real reason I'm still watching is because I'm excited about the live shows. They better be as bad as I want them to be!

[ulkis]

Dante has single-handedly saved these last two eps for me.

 

He's getting good writing lately. I have to wonder if it's so everyone doesn't hate him when he has sex with Lulu's nubile young cousin all over their apartment.

 

Don't they know that Lulu's squints and lip contortions will take care of that on their own. (ER's tics are really standing out to me the past couple of days.)

I think the only real reason I'm still watching is because I'm excited about the live shows. They better be as bad as I want them to be!

 

I'm still mad that they won't have Bryan Craig in them so they can live up to their fullest potential to be disasters. Why must we be punished for Bryan's outbursts too?!?!

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I think it's more like people ignore that line, because it was a line that made no sense for her character, said during a terrible storyline.

 

Kinda like people ignore her stories for the past decade by claiming it is bad writing? The only characterization taken into account  for this particular character is the first year she dropped into town. Everything else is the writers are out to get the actress/character.  

Edited May 13, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[ulkis]

Kinda like people ignore her stories for the past decade by claiming it is bad writing? The only characterization taken into account  for this particular character is the first year she dropped into town. Everything else is the writers are out to get the actress/character.  

 

No. I'm just talking about the one awful storyline, which was horrible for both Liz and Nik, and more specifically, that one line which was quoted. In fact, if all the stories Liz has had after her first year in town are accounted for, and not ignored as bad writing, then that line makes even less sense, because Liz clearly liked sex before she had it with Nik.

Edited May 13, 2015 by ulkis

[peachmangosteen]

I'm still mad that they won't have Bryan Craig in them so they can live up to their fullest potential to be disasters. Why must we be punished for Bryan's outbursts too?!?!

 

Sigh. I'm so disappointed that he's not gonna be in them. That would've been gold. It would've been fun UCG as opposed to the rage-inducing kind we're gonna get from RoHo. Do we know if MB is in the live eps? He better be!

[jsbt]

God, I hope so. There's only a handful of people on this show I can see totally breaking and calling out "line?", but God bless him, Maurice is one of 'em.

 

Another is William deVry, but I think of him much less fondly.

[magnolia11]

Sigh. I'm so disappointed that he's not gonna be in them. That would've been gold. It would've been fun UCG as opposed to the rage-inducing kind we're gonna get from RoHo. Do we know if MB is in the live eps? He better be!

 

I'm hoping for a Nathan/Sloane scene myself.

[ulkis]

Ryan Paevey was on extra and he said he thinks NLG is the one most likely to mess up her line, heh.

[Perkie]

 

Why was Sabrina crying when she found out Duke died

Sabrina was engaged to Patrick, and had a relationship with Duke and Anna via him and Emma

[fishcakes]

Olivia is a huge hypocrite about mobsters, and she always has been. I liked when she acknowledged it last week, when she kicked Julian out of the hotel because he's a criminal and he said something like "Oh, but it's okay for Sonny to have an office here?" She replied "Yes, it's called a double standard!" I hate that she has those double standards, but I enjoyed her openly admitting it. Rarely seen self awareness by one of these characters.

 

The best part of that for me was that she told Julian to have Alexis explain it to him.

 

The whole, "will no one think of the chilllldren?" trope is boring me. Michael took Avery out of revenge, not because he's worried about her safety. And I know this because he renamed the kid A.J. Quartermaine.  And who, exactly, does Olivia think is going to hurt Baby Boy Jerome? Julian's enemies are Sonny, who's not going to hurt Olivia's baby unless it turns out the baby is an undercover cop, and Sonny's minions, who are not exactly winning any Enforcer of the Month awards. Like, say Shawn went rogue and decided to kidnap Olivia's baby; he'd probably just end up bringing a potato from her kitchen to the safehouse and then telling Sonny not to worry because the baby is perfectly fine and naps all the time.

 

I'm starting to enjoy Hayden in how much she DNGAF. Also, she's completely right about Liz and Nik being so much worse than herself in regards to Jake. And honestly I like Evil Nik too; I just wish he were being evil over something more interesting than an ELQ takeover.

Edited May 14, 2015 by fishcakes

[peachmangosteen]

I'm hoping for a Nathan/Sloane scene myself.

 

Oh shit this has to happen!

 

Ryan Paevey was on extra and he said he thinks NLG is the one most likely to mess up her line, heh.

 

I can see that. She would definitely do it on purpose at least.

[LeftPhalange]

LeftPhalange, I love that you have started calling Liz, Liez. Though the first few times I thought it was a typo lol. Very fitting name. 

 

I can't take credit for the "Liez" nickname, I saw someone else here use it first. I do hope that it will eventually become her official nickname.

[Oracle42]

No. I'm just talking about the one awful storyline, which was horrible for both Liz and Nik, and more specifically, that one line which was quoted. In fact, if all the stories Liz has had after her first year in town are accounted for, and not ignored as bad writing, then that line makes even less sense, because Liz clearly liked sex before she had it with Nik.

 

I don't remember the exact line but there are lots of people who enjoy sex for the intimacy as opposed to just enjoying the physical act. I can see Liz being one of the former. Nik would even make sense to me as the exception - they know each other very well, he doesn't think of her as fragile/saintly, and he wouldn't have the same hang-ups related to sex with her that Lucky might have

[GHScorpiosRule]

Sabrina was engaged to Patrick, and had a relationship with Duke and Anna via him and Emma

Nope. The real Duke showed up around the same time as Robin in December 2013. By that time the wedding had been cancelled and there was no relationship with Duke. Now Faison on the other hand...

Edited May 13, 2015 by GHScorpiosRule

[Daisy]

I don't think anyone is going to do anything stupid. you know if anyone does, they'll not work for two months LOL

[Oracle42]

And TeeVee mentioned this as a joke (ie - Carly's reaction) - but to me - this whole entire storyline would make more sense if it was Carly. Carly has loved Jason for ever, and this "best friend" thing to me has always been something Carly clung to so she could always be a part of Jason's life. I could easily see Carly making that speech to Nik, saying,everything she said - and it would even make more sense because - she hates Sam. She doesn't like the Quartermaines, everything is compounded because MIchael left to go to the Quartermaines, so in her twisted little head, she's taking Jason as compensation. (which would also echo back to the Jason has memory loss, sleeps with Carly, Carly lies, they split up. and it is super compounded because of everyone involved)

I can kinda see Carly doing this except her chem with BM's Jakeson seems more familial (little brotherish) than sexual.

Does Carly hate Sam more than any other woman Jason has dated?

Edited May 14, 2015 by Oracle42

[sacrebleu]

Again, I have to wonder about the show's terrible pacing. Too many characters, too many stories, many of which disappear for weeks at a time. Is Ava still in a Silas induced death fakeout coma? 

 

Have we seen Morgan or Kiki since the drugging reveal?  

 

Did Britt just sneak out of town?  Will there be any follow up to the Brad/Lucas proposal?

[Ambrosefolly]

Does Carly hate Sam more than any other woman Jason has dated (other than SWSNBN)?   

Haven't seen the show, but I doubt it. Robin is number 1, while Liz follows close behind, even if she vowed never to say a bad word about her. 

[dubbel zout]

And i honestly feel people keep forgetting that Liz flat out told Robin that she doesn't like having sex, but Nik makes her feel things that she didn't think was possible since her rape. so why is she all dewy for Jake?

 

I wank it (heh) that Nik reawakened some of those feelings, and now she can fully enjoy sex again.

 

LOL at Sonny and Julian and their little time out from threatening each other for new-father talk.

 

"You don't take out a rival boss because you feel insulted." Then why the hell do you take out a rival boss?

 

The whole, "will no one think of the chilllldren?" trope is boring me.

 

For real. No rival mobsters have hurt Sonny's kids in years; he does it all by himself because he's a hothead. STFU, Olivia.

 

Valerie is a waste of time. Hook her up with Dante or get rid of her.

 

Poor Dante. He's the only sane person in town.

Edited May 13, 2015 by dubbel zout

[CPP83]

Or she could come back from maternity leave married to Johnny and let him be Dante's step-dad, cause that would be hilarious.

 

 

 

Oh I would have paid some sweet, sweet money to have seen that happen the first go around, heh. 

 

I could have just seen Johnny messing with Dante by calling him such names as "Sport" or "Jr" and Dante threatening to plant some kind of incriminating evidence in his vehicle just so he could arrest him.    

 

And of course Johnny would have hammered Sonny at every turn about "their" son.

 

Johnny: You know Sonny, Dante is a really good kid.

 

Sonny: Don't ahhh don't you mention my uhhh my son's name.

 

Johnny: Don't you mean "our" son Sonny?

 

Sonny: SHADDDUPPPPAAA YOUUU!

 

Johnny: Guess who packed his lunch for work today? I even left a Post-it note on his sandwich!    

 

Although now that I think about it, Sonny was married to Claudia, first Johnny's sister until she was "revealed" later as his mother, still a WTELF turn around imho, but that meant Johnny went from being Sonny's brother-in-law to his step-son, which also would have made Dante, being Johnny's step-son, Sonny's new step-grandson as well as being his actual biological kid...

 

*Shudders*   

 

I do think though that Ned would be a great addition into Dante's life in a fatherly role, at least he's a billion steps up from Sonny, Though doesn't Dante have a kind of tricky past history with Ned's daughter?

 

 

 

The whole, "will no one think of the chilllldren?" trope is boring me

 

 

 

Amen. Olivia is being such a twit right now I want her to choke on her own hair. It's ridiculous how they want to keep trying to make this so called mob war out to be some huge deal when really it just isn't.

Edited May 14, 2015 by CPP83

[Tiger]

I just… How is this her happy ending? He's not her best friend, he's not the man who chose to spend his life with her, he's not even the best sex she's ever had - how is this worth it for her?

Didn't you get the memo? It's time for the villains to get their happy endings!

Seriously, when Snow & Charming arrested The Author, I'm pretty sure that instead of escorting him to jail, they took him to the GH writers room.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Tiger

[Harmony233]

Again, I have to wonder about the show's terrible pacing. Too many characters, too many stories, many of which disappear for weeks at a time. Is Ava still in a Silas induced death fakeout coma? 

 

Have we seen Morgan or Kiki since the drugging reveal?  

 

Did Britt just sneak out of town?  Will there be any follow up to the Brad/Lucas proposal?

I was thinking the other day does poor bobbie even know about Brad and Lucas?

[WendyCR72]

I cracked up, it was very much like. "wait? I am lying to get all of this, and he's defaulting back to the whole "Can't be with you, gotta kill for a living, see ya toots"

 

Somewhere, the bitch that is Karma is pointing and laughing at Liz.

[OnceSane]

Haven't seen the show, but I doubt it. Robin is number 1, while Liz follows close behind, even if she vowed never to say a bad word about her.

Yeah, Robin is definitely number 1 and Liz is number 2. Sam and Carly seem to be frenemies these days; though if Carly had another chance to bang Jason, she'd run over Sam with fifty trains to get to him. Hell, she'd run over Morgan and Joss too.

[dubbel zout]

Carly would bomb the world if she had even the slightest chance to bang Jason.

[OnceSane]

True.

[CPP83]

Don't they know that Lulu's squints and lip contortions will take care of that on their own. (ER's tics are really standing out to me the past couple of days.)

 

 

Tell the truth.

 

There was one scene where one eye squinted closed while the other opened wide and her mouth twisted a bit and I thought...wow...they actually left that in.

 

Will Lulu and Liz both have a breakdown at the exact same time and will they then go out on a killing spree? I really wouldn't mind the spree part myself, the herd on this show needs to be cut down big time.   

 

 

I was thinking the other day does poor bobbie even know about Brad and Lucas?

 

 

 

Who?

Edited May 14, 2015 by CPP83

[ulkis]

Although now that I think about it, Sonny was married to Claudia, first Johnny's sister until she was "revealed" later as his mother, still a WTELF turn around imho, but that meant Johnny went from being Sonny's brother-in-law to his step-son, which also would have made Dante, being Johnny's step-son, Sonny's new step-grandson as well as being his actual biological kid...

---

I do think though that Ned would be a great addition into Dante's life in a fatherly role, at least he's a billion steps up from Sonny, Though doesn't Dante have a kind of tricky past history with Ned's daughter?

 

 

Someone pointed out that Avery and New Baby Jerome are first cousins, as well as both being half-siblings to Dante. The show was bad before but Ron has really over connected everyone.

 

Brook Lynn drugged Dante to get him into bed (Carly was paying her to try to seduce Dante) but Dante has never really acknowledged it, and Carly got herself off the hook. Lulu was pissed but I think she's long moved on from it as well.

[OnceSane]

The show could really use a good plague.

[FilmTVGeek80]

 

The whole, "will no one think of the chilllldren?" trope is boring me. Michael took Avery out of revenge, not because he's worried about her safety. And I know this because he renamed the kid A.J. Quartermaine.  And who, exactly, does Olivia think is going to hurt Baby Boy Jerome? Julian's enemies are Sonny, who's not going to hurt Olivia's baby unless it turns out the baby is an undercover cop, and Sonny's minions, who are not exactly winning any Enforcer of the Month awards. Like, say Shawn went rogue and decided to kidnap Olivia's baby; he'd probably just end up bringing a potato from her kitchen to the safehouse and then telling Sonny not to worry because the baby is perfectly fine and naps all the time.

 

It's possible for people to have multiple motivations. Of course Michael wanted revenge on Sonny, but that wasn't his only reason for wanting AJ. As Dante pointed out today, stuff like what's happening now is why Michael wanted to keep her safe and it's why I don't blame Olivia for not wanting Julian to have anything to do with her kid. Unlike Liz, who's so desperate for Jason's dick that she'll rationalize anything, even putting her kid's lives at risk. It's not about Sonny or any of the mobsters purposefully going after their rival's loved ones. Their loved ones can get hurt just by standing next to them. Michael ended up with a bullet in his head just because he was with his father at his warehouse.

 

 

Olivia's situation is entirely of her own making.

 

And once again when I see that the rationale that Olivia is the worst of the worst in this storyline because this is her fault, I think - So what? Is Olivia's kid supposed to suffer because she made a phenomenally stupid choice of bedroom partner? The deed is done. Olivia can't invent a time machine and change what happened. She has to move forward and try to make the best decision for her kid to protect it. 

 

I mean isn't that one of (although there are several to choose from) the reasons that Carly is considered by many to be such a horrible mother? It's not just that she knowingly, and willingly, brought a murdering mobster like Sonny (and Jason) into Michael's life, but that despite the numerous kidnappings and shootings and presumed deaths and bullets to the head, she never choose to put her kids first and get them out of that life. The one right thing I think Carly has ever done as a parent is putting Morgan in that military school and hiding him from Sonny. But even after doing that, she refused to cut Sonny and Jason out of her life, even after Jax left her because of it. If she ever choose to put her kids first ( including Joss, because I'm sure if Sonny ever asked her to marry him, she'd move Joss right in) I wouldn't be criticizing her and saying she had no right to protect her kids just because she voluntarily started the situation.

 

 

If we go by the premise that Olivia is right to keep the new baby away from bio-father Julian because he's a mobster, then IMO it naturally follows that she should discourage Dante from having any kind of relationship with his bio-father. Yes, Dante is a grown man and can make his own decisions, but there's no logic in the logic that says a known mobster doesn't have the right to fuck up an innocent baby's life but does have the right to fuck up another adult's.

 

I think there is logic to it. You always want to protect your kids, no matter how old they are, but your adult children can protect themselves and make their own decisions. It's not about them having the right to fuck up the kid's life, but trusting your kid to protect themselves. It's like Alexis with Sam. I thought it made absolute sense that she wanted to protect Sam from Jason, but eventually she had to let go and just respect her daughter's choice.

 

There were a lot of stupid lines said in today's episode. Olivia's about Sonny being a thousand times the man Julian is. Eh, they both kind of equally suck. I think Anna's line about Duke having more scruples than Julian because he called off the hit was stupider. The only reason Duke called off the hit was because Anna got back together with him.

 

I did love Dante's conversation with Sonny, even though he should have saved his breath because Sonny is a moron.

 

I actually kind of enjoy Hayden. I loved the look on her face after Lulu called her a tramp and asked why Nik was keeping her around and Hayden just spit out that she was good in bed and Lulu got all flustered. I did enjoy Lulu talking on and on about poor Elizabeth and what Hayden did to her and how she was lied to. It just makes me really hope that Liz gets it with both barrels from everyone once her sick Jason lie is exposed.

[Oracle42]

Monkey Virus 2015!!

[yowsah1]

Does Carly hate Sam more than any other woman Jason has dated (other than SWSNBN)?   

 

Weren't Carly and SWMNBN besties?  (I was GH-Free during the Drab Four era, but I could have sworn that was the case).

 

 

Poor Dante. He's the only sane person in town.

 

And doesn't he know it!

 

Will Lulu and Liz both have a breakdown at the exact same time and will they then go out on a killing spree?

 

They could steal a 1966 Ford Thunderbird and hit the road THELMA AND LOUISE style.

[ulkis]

I did love Dante's conversation with Sonny, even though he should have saved his breath because Sonny is a moron.

 

Yeah, at first I was like "why is he even bothering?" but then I realized that's how the scene was played. Years ago Dante would have gotten way angrier and yelled a bit more. Today he was just like, "I know this is pointless but I gotta get out something for principle's sake . . . okay Sonny don't do it . . . Morgan almost spent life in prison because he was emulating your life of revenge . . . who's Morgan? What's emulating mean? Well . . oh nevermind. Try not to kill anyone. Please? Maybe? okay. sigh. bye."

Edited May 14, 2015 by ulkis

[Lillybee]

I  do think that Dante knows that Sonny is not a good man who happens to be a mobster. Dante may be the only one on this show who fully realizes what Sonny is capable of doing. I loved that Dante called him out on killing AJ.

 

Any bets on what Olivia will name baby Jerome. I am betting either Contanzo (in honor of Connie) or Guido.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Lillybee

[IWantCandy71]

The show could really use a good plague.

 

 

*nods*

It's why I hope GF's return is short. There are already too many annoying characters on canvas, and too many quality performers being misused or wasted.

 

If I were NIk, and I wanted to truly steamroll right over ELQ, I'd wait until Luke left Tracy at her most vulnerable. Then I'd hire  a suave, mysterious guy to be my legal counsel or just corporate spy or whatnot. Then I'd make sure this guy got Tracy's attention.

 

If the man turned out to be Paul Hornsby or a new character played by Richard Steinmetz, all the better, because Jane was smoking hot with both of them. Plus, there's the added love/hate factor with Tracy and Paul(love on Tracy's part, anyway) and they have a kid together. Plus, you know....Dillon would actually have a reason to come back other than as a plot point. Can you just imagine the dynamic? At least Paul would have history on the show with a few people already.

Oh, well. Wishful thinking at this point.

Edited May 14, 2015 by IWantCandy71

[P3pp3rb1rd]

There is little I feel like commenting on lately. Show is managing to ruin Julian for me by having him act so neanderthal about the baby. He's almost resorted to grunts and chest beating.

 

 

Yes I never thought Julian is evul enough to be a mob leader; he's always reminded me more of a world famous golf or tennis pro who decided to retire in PC. It's very strange to see Julian ruffled about anything (especially a baby) until you remember that Sonny has just been depicted as a mob lord who is murderously upset by separation from his baby daughter. Why are the two major mob bosses suddenly into baby rabies? It's ludicrous. Are these hysterics supposed to soften their mob-boss personas? Even if Julian's son survives, it will be many years before he grows into a consigliere.

 

Olivia has got on my last nerve. By sleeping with another mob boss without protection, she made her own fate and her child's. Her abundant energy and wakefulness are particularly annoying, since childbirth is a very tiring process and she didn't sleep that night either. Is she operating purely on adrenalin?

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Olivia in the kitchen busily working off some of her stress over a big pan of lasagna layers.

Edited May 14, 2015 by P3pp3rb1rd

[ulkis]

I  do think that Dante knows that Sonny is not a good man who happens to be a mobster. Dante may be the only one on this show who fully realizes what Sonny is capable of doing. I loved that Dante called him out on killing AJ.

 

I think Dante may be the only person who likes Sonny who realizes what he's capable of doing, but doesn't like it. There are others who do too, but they either don't like him or/and are bad themselves (Julian, Anna) or they like him, but are also mostly on board with his crap (Carly).

[IWantCandy71]

Weren't Carly and SWMNBN besties?  (I was GH-Free during the Drab Four era, but I could have sworn that was the case).

 

 

 

 

 

 

If SWMNBN is Courtney, then yes. They were BFF's.

[Tiger]

If SWMNBN is Courtney, then yes. They were BFF's.

IIRC, Cop!Killa only was on opposite TB and JB; she had been kidnapped by Hells before LW took over. I don't think Spenthaw's Mutter & LW's Carly ever shared a scene together, which made that unintentionally hilarious eulogy about staring at snowglobes even better.

[dubbel zout]

She has to move forward and try to make the best decision for her kid to protect it.

 

Why does Olivia think running away is the answer? Ultimately, as is Sonny's wont, he ended up hurting Dante anyway. Julian knows Olivia's son is also his; does she think he won't find her? I think it makes a lot more sense to sit down with Julian and try to work something out that both of them can live with. It's not fair to keep Julian away from his kid. If both of them would put their egos and overreactions aside, I think they could come to a decent arrangement. For one thing, they can stop screaming that they have a kid together.

 

If SWMNBN is Courtney, then yes. They were BFF's.

 

Only because she was Sonny's sister.

Edited May 14, 2015 by dubbel zout

[IWantCandy71]

IIRC, Cop!Killa only was on opposite TB and JB; she had been kidnapped by Hells before LW took over. I don't think Spenthaw's Mutter & LW's Carly ever shared a scene together, which made that unintentionally hilarious eulogy about staring at snowglobes even better.

 

Oh, I thought they just meant Carly the character. But you're right, Man Hands was dead before LW took over the role.

[Ambrosefolly]

IIRC, Cop!Killa only was on opposite TB and JB; she had been kidnapped by Hells before LW took over. I don't think Spenthaw's Mutter & LW's Carly ever shared a scene together, which made that unintentionally hilarious eulogy about staring at snowglobes even better.

 

They actually did. When CopKilla with Nik, but he was staring at Emily (who was having a dating Sonny) at the MetroWhore, LW's Carly comforted her while she was crying.

[IWantCandy71]

Why does Olivia think running away is the answer? Ultimately, as is Sonny's wont, he ended up hurting Dante anyway. Julian knows Olivia's son is also his; does she think he won't find her? I think it makes a lot more sense to sit down with Julian and try to work something out that both of them can live with. It's not fair to keep Julian away from his kid. If both of them would put their egos and overreactions aside, I think they could come to a decent arrangement. For one thing, they can stop screaming that they have a kid together.

 

 

Only because she was Sonny's sister.

 I remember reading Maurice was never happy about the Courtney character. IDK if it's true or not.

They actually did. When CopKilla with Nik, but he was staring at Emily (who was having a dating Sonny) at the MetroWhore, LW's Carly comforted her while she was crying.

Really? Oh, yes. She died during the monkey virus, right? Which was Feb sweeps 2006 and LW debuted Nov 2005 sweeps.

Edited May 14, 2015 by IWantCandy71

[CPP83]

The deed is done. Olivia can't invent a time machine and change what happened. She has to move forward and try to make the best decision for her kid to protect it

 

 

 

 

I don't think Olivia has made a good decision in regards to this baby since she first found out about him.

 

She decided to go along with the dumbest of all plans to lie about who the child's father really was. Now she's shrieking about running away with the baby, again another terribly conceived idea with long te, consequences.

 

Olivia can want to protect the baby, but she hasn't come up with a single idea so far, imho, that would actually do that for the long term that won't potentially blow the poor kid's life to smithereens.

 

There are ways to handle having a child with a mobster, especially in court, but Olivia is acting as if she has "only" one or two options or else she may as well buy the kid a baby sized bullet proof vest and a bomb shied for the stroller.

 

To me she is just being incredibly ridiculous and annoying.   

 

Not to mention that I am of the school of thinking that she has no right to act as if this is just "her" baby. She did not make him by herself so she can't just act as if he is hers and hers alone now.

Edited May 14, 2015 by CPP83

[rur]

Oh, I thought they just meant Carly the character. But you're right, Man Hands was dead before LW took over the role.

 

IIRC, though, the character of Carly arranged the wedding of Jason and Courtney. But I also think that at the time she was married to Sonny, so in retrospect it might have just been a way for her to create another reason for her to be close to Jason.

[IWantCandy71]

IIRC, though, the character of Carly arranged the wedding of Jason and Courtney. But I also think that at the time she was married to Sonny, so in retrospect it might have just been a way for her to create another reason for her to be close to Jason.

Don't most of Carly's plaaaans generally involve Jason or Sonny in some way? So yeah you're probably right.

I just remember really, REALLY not liking Courtney Matthews. I LOL'd when Helena knocked her out and just kicked her off the pier.

She lived, but for a moment, I was giddy.

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And TeeVee mentioned this as a joke (ie - Carly's reaction) - but to me - this whole entire storyline would make more sense if it was Carly. Carly has loved Jason for ever, and this "best friend" thing to me has always been something Carly clung to so she could always be a part of Jason's life. I could easily see Carly making that speech to Nik, saying,everything she said - and it would even make more sense because - she hates Sam. She doesn't like the Quartermaines, everything is compounded because MIchael left to go to the Quartermaines, so in her twisted little head, she's taking Jason as compensation. (which would also echo back to the Jason has memory loss, sleeps with Carly, Carly lies, they split up. and it is super compounded because of everyone involved)

 

Can you take over as head writer? I mean, just based on this idea, alone. It would make so much more sense for Carly to be doing this. So much more. (And I enjoy Carly, but I know who she is.)

 

It's possible for people to have multiple motivations. Of course Michael wanted revenge on Sonny, but that wasn't his only reason for wanting AJ. As Dante pointed out today, stuff like what's happening now is why Michael wanted to keep her safe and it's why I don't blame Olivia for not wanting Julian to have anything to do with her kid. Unlike Liz, who's so desperate for Jason's dick that she'll rationalize anything, even putting her kid's lives at risk. It's not about Sonny or any of the mobsters purposefully going after their rival's loved ones. Their loved ones can get hurt just by standing next to them. Michael ended up with a bullet in his head just because he was with his father at his warehouse.

 

And once again when I see that the rationale that Olivia is the worst of the worst in this storyline because this is her fault, I think - So what? Is Olivia's kid supposed to suffer because she made a phenomenally stupid choice of bedroom partner? The deed is done. Olivia can't invent a time machine and change what happened. She has to move forward and try to make the best decision for her kid to protect it. 

 

I mean isn't that one of (although there are several to choose from) the reasons that Carly is considered by many to be such a horrible mother? It's not just that she knowingly, and willingly, brought a murdering mobster like Sonny (and Jason) into Michael's life, but that despite the numerous kidnappings and shootings and presumed deaths and bullets to the head, she never choose to put her kids first and get them out of that life. The one right thing I think Carly has ever done as a parent is putting Morgan in that military school and hiding him from Sonny. But even after doing that, she refused to cut Sonny and Jason out of her life, even after Jax left her because of it. If she ever choose to put her kids first ( including Joss, because I'm sure if Sonny ever asked her to marry him, she'd move Joss right in) I wouldn't be criticizing her and saying she had no right to protect her kids just because she voluntarily started the situation.

 

I think there is logic to it. You always want to protect your kids, no matter how old they are, but your adult children can protect themselves and make their own decisions. It's not about them having the right to fuck up the kid's life, but trusting your kid to protect themselves. It's like Alexis with Sam. I thought it made absolute sense that she wanted to protect Sam from Jason, but eventually she had to let go and just respect her daughter's choice.

 

There were a lot of stupid lines said in today's episode. Olivia's about Sonny being a thousand times the man Julian is. Eh, they both kind of equally suck. I think Anna's line about Duke having more scruples than Julian because he called off the hit was stupider. The only reason Duke called off the hit was because Anna got back together with him.

 

I did love Dante's conversation with Sonny, even though he should have saved his breath because Sonny is a moron.

 

Thank you for all of this. You know how, sometimes, you read an internet comment, and feel this total catharsis? Yeah, that just happened. 

You know what else was stupid? I can't remember if it was today's episode, or yesterdays, but it was Sonny, insisting that he protect Jordan (as well as Carly) because there was a failed hit on her life, when he's the dirty crook who ordered the hit by proxy (i.e. making Duke feel he had to carry it out). I mean, I know he has to keep up appearances, or whatever, but Mo didn't play it like that. I think, in that moment, I swear Mo thought Sonny was being honorable and protecting Jordan.

Edited May 14, 2015 by General Days