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51 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Unfortunately there are no smart characters on the show anymore.

This is a show where Sonny has to be the smartest one in PC, so therefore there are only dumb ones left/

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9 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think she meant that she had her career to fall back on. I think she meant that her and Maxie's friendship being severed would be for nothing. Whether she actually means it is another argument, heh.

 

Does it matter if she means it?  It's still a pathetic argument.  She makes it sound like she's doing some greater good for the world with her girl reporting. 

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9 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't think she meant that she had her career to fall back on. I think she meant that her and Maxie's friendship being severed would be for nothing. Whether she actually means it is another argument, heh.

I think it looks weird that Maxie is so chummy with Peter when she knows that he didn't pull the article. Yeah, he said it wouldn't make a difference, but not pulling it should still look shady to her. I guess the "OH GOSH HE'S NATHAN'S BROTHER" anvil wouldn't hit as hard otherwise.

Oh, this is definitely leading up to creating the greatest emotional damage possible when Maxie learns the truth. 

However, right now, I understand why Maxie feels differently about Peter and Lulu's roles in Nathan's death.  

For now, all Maxie knows about Peter is that, while his paper did publish the article, he was also the one who shared the awful moment when Nathan was shot and the one she sees as having saved her life and her baby’s life.  That’s a dramatic bonding moment – one which opened the door to her letting him support her more going forward.  As well, as she said to him, he did NOT offer the usual platitudes about grieving; and this approach appears to have allowed her to feel comfortable going through part of this this process with him.  This happens. 

Re Maxie's different reactions to Lulu and Peter SO FAR in this story, I think it's important to remember that Maxie had very different relationships with each of them at the time of the shooting.

Peter was her boss's boss - a man she barely knew - just someone she saw at the office. On the other hand, Lulu was her best friend - someone Maxie should rightly expect to respect her feelings and her privacy about important issues. 

Lulu did neither! By her own admission to Dante, she failed to do three things :

Consider the danger to Nathan
Listen to Dante's good advice
Think about Maxie's feelings (as a best friend should have done).

So, I can see why, right now, Maxie is reacting so strongly to this feeling of betrayal by Lulu and isn't putting the blame as much on Peter - YET!!  

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The episode was interrupted for 10 minutes because of the bridge collapse in Florida.  How did the Maxie/Lulu conversation end?

I really thought Ned was going to set a trap for Harvey, but he's the one that ended up looking like an idiot.  Poorly written segment in my opinion.

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25 minutes ago, BlueMax said:

How did the Maxie/Lulu conversation end?

 

Alexis showed up and Maxie said she wants to take out a restraining order against Lulu. Lulu, intrepid girl reporter, then stomped off to work because if she didn’t go back to work ‘this would all be for nothing.’ Or words to that effect,

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On 3/16/2018 at 9:13 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

Does it matter if she means it?  It's still a pathetic argument.  She makes it sound like she's doing some greater good for the world with her girl reporting. 

I think she just meant on a personal level. I don't think it sounded like she meant it would be for the greater good.

As to whether she means it, I just threw that in there for anyone who was about to say she didn't really care about the friendship. I think she does care about it, but obviously mileage varies.

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17 hours ago, Aurora2 said:

Re Maxie's different reactions to Lulu and Peter SO FAR in this story, I think it's important to remember that Maxie had very different relationships with each of them at the time of the shooting.

Peter was her boss's boss - a man she barely knew - just someone she saw at the office. On the other hand, Lulu was her best friend - someone Maxie should rightly expect to respect her feelings and her privacy about important issues. 

Yes, I get that Lulu was her best friend and Peter didn't know Maxie, which is why I didn't mention him proposing to do an article about Faison in the first place. But there was no reason he couldn't have pulled the article, even if he suggested it wouldn't have mattered. It should make Maxie wary.

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1 hour ago, BlueMax said:

I really thought Ned was going to set a trap for Harvey, but he's the one that ended up looking like an idiot.  Poorly written segment in my opinion.

Ugh, I know. Ned playing dumb about knowing there was a natural gas deposit was completely stupid. Maybe Michael really is the one in the family with the business brains.

44 minutes ago, ulkis said:

It should make Maxie wary.

It should, but I think @Aurora2 is right that the bonding experience of Peter being in the room when Nathan was shot is the bigger factor right now. And that he's not insisting she grieve a certain way. But I also think you're right, @ulkis, that Maxie isn't wary so that there's maximum Drama! when it's finally revealed who Peter really is.

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IMO, Maxie hasn't given Lulu the tongue-lashing she truly deserves. It reminds me of the way Lies was treated after the fact that she hid JakeDoe/Jason's identity for her own selfish reasons -- she certainly deserved several bitch-slaps from Sam, Monica, and others, both literally and figuratively. Lulu Spencer, Girl Reporter, has really skated so far, and I hope that ends. YMMV.

Also, shouldn't BJ/Bear look at least 20 years older than the murderhobo, since he was dating Betsy?

(Kinda easy to tell which characters I'm not fond of, innit?)

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32 minutes ago, TheMediaHo said:

Also, shouldn't BJ/Bear look at least 20 years older than the murderhobo, since he was dating Betsy?

(Kinda easy to tell which characters I'm not fond of, innit?)

The actor who plays BJ is 15 years older than Roger Howarth, so that works OK for me.  It's funnier that poor Billy Miller is a decade younger than RH and SBu and Franco/Jason/Drew are all supposed to be the same age.  Kudos to that plastic surgeon who put him back together.

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3 hours ago, BlueMax said:

I really thought Ned was going to set a trap for Harvey, but he's the one that ended up looking like an idiot.  Poorly written segment in my opinion.

I assume the entire point of this story is Franco getting a hero edit. Drew might get to sidekick so that FV can expand the number of people willing to interact with the murderhobo from Liz, Jake and Scott

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Look at that Mommy Sam and Mommy Liz are off on a hunt for their giant man babies Drew and Franco who can't be left unsupervised or unaccounted-for for longer than a few hours before both of them lose their ever-loving s*** and think the worst and start blaming each other and then blame the other guy for killing the other one because yeah that makes tons of sense what the f*** is going on who thought this made sense who thought this was a good idea to put on the screen and why does this keep happening why are these characters put front and center to act like total nincompoops?

When Ava is the voice of reason in the room you have a problem and Nelle is a total giant stupid idiot for not listening to common sense and doing whatever the f*** she is with her plan to try to get at Carly because far better adversaries have tried to take that she beast down and failed and there's no way that whimpy ass little girl is anywhere near strong enough or capable enough or smart enough to do anything. I am so not looking forward to the scene where Michael tells her that he's going to go on a date and she's going to lose her s*** all over the place and start freaking out and that's only going to tie into her being more determined to get back at Carly and all this b******* is his going to keep going and going and going

Sometimes I really hate Maurice not because of his laziness as Sonny but sometimes like today when he actually can act his ass off in his scenes with Mike playing a son basically begging his dad to trust him to love him enough to take care of him once he's unable to take care of himself and both actors are crying and showing some really powerful emotions and it's heartbreaking and it's real and it's genuine and it pisses me off that he won't do this all the time and most of the time he just plays a lazy greasy lump on the couch who Rants and Raves and Wags a gun in someone's face whenever he gets pissed off.

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Oh and one more thing did Nelle actually smear her own blood AKA her DNA and genetic markings all over that sweatshirt that now she's going to use and actually put into Carly's hands. She is going to allow Carly to own something that is now covered with her genetic prints that will totally tie back to her once all of this is revealed as a stunt and will totally blow up in her face. Cows are smarter for reals.

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"Mike isn't the only one who's going to suffer from this disease." Oh, trust us, Stella, we know. Sonny's pain will be of utmost importance in this situation, just as it is in everything else. Stella's so much more likeable when utilized like this, offering wisdom and support.

No surprise that Maxie's baby is healthy, but it's nice to get confirmation. Peter's either dumb or just banking on Griffin's adherence of doctor/patient confidentiality, because he's given him all the pertinent information to his real identity. I laughed at Maxie catching Peter off guard by claiming he was at the hospital for a vasectomy, that was great.

I still can't make heads or tails of Nelle's scheme, nor why I should care about this at all, considering Carly hasn't been bothered by it in weeks. Everything involving Nelle is always so clunky and lame.

Did we really need another day of MIA Drew and Franco and another round of Liz and Sam sniping at each other? Jesus, this pacing is terrible.

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Oh, GOD. Of course Sonny makes the meeting about Mike all. about. Sonny. Sonny's whole attitude of exasperation was gross.

6 minutes ago, Linny said:

Stella's so much more likeable when utilized like this, offering wisdom and support.

This is a great use of Stella. (Anything that doesn't involve her sniping at/about Jordan is a great use of her.) I'd like to see her be more involved in the Charles Street stuff, but maybe that's down the road. 

I thought for sure the doctor would tell Maxie about the Huntington's right there in the waiting area. LOL. I also thought LWB/FS's snippiness to Griffin at the end (when Griffin was talking about letting siblings/other family members know) was the wrong read for that.

30 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Way to build momentum off your (dud of a) soap disaster, Show, this week was super boring.

I know. They go to all the trouble of spending some dough—not much, but more than a regular episode costs—on an event that's supposed to shake up things, and we get nothing.

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Did Nelle's hair look the way it did today just to emphasize the fact that she's kind of crazy?  Because if so, her hair nailed it. 

Usually there's at least one story I'm sort of interested it, but at the moment there's absolutely nothing.  Don't care about Anna/Peter/Heinrich.  Don't care about Maxie's baby. Don't care about Mike/Sonny.  Don't care about Nelle. Don't care about Drew/Franco. And the earthquake ended up being a big fat nothing.  I'm at the point I get to every once in a while where I just say screw it and take a break from the show. 

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1 hour ago, TV Mercenary said:

Oh and one more thing did Nelle actually smear her own blood AKA her DNA and genetic markings all over that sweatshirt that now she's going to use and actually put into Carly's hands. She is going to allow Carly to own something that is now covered with her genetic prints that will totally tie back to her once all of this is revealed as a stunt and will totally blow up in her face. Cows are smarter for reals.

I was thinking the very same thing when Nelle smeared her own blood on that sweatshirt.  The conclusion I came to was, the show thinks we viewers are as dumb as a box of rocks.  I can picture the writers gloating about how Carly will be all 'gotcha' when she has the blood tested and what a stunning, twisty plot line this is.  Gah.

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What was the other thing Nelle put on the scarf? Was that coffee? (I was distracted by the NELLE IS CRAZY music blaring.) Is that supposed to freak Carly out? Probably all of the scarves at their house are covered in blood and coffee!

Anna's hair looks great. Too bad Anna and the adventures of the off screen WSB are kinda silly. It sounds dumb for Anna to always be talking about some off screen WSB person.

Ava's nervous laughter with Nelle was funny. I was so hopeful when Nelle was holding the scissors for a crazy hair cut. But nope, she just went to work on the scarf.

Previews: Pipe down Olivia.

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Nelle is bland and a dumbass and also a nutjob. Great combo for a character! Like no one will suggest to test the DNA on that blood and it's not going to come back as belonging to a pregnant woman. 

Did they finally find something for aunt Stella to do that's not being abrasive and in Jordan's face? Finally. She's far more compelling in her role as a social worker than she is in the role of screeching banshee.

What is Griffin going to do with the DNA test after it comes back? He is bound by doc/patient confidentiality. I don't know how much of Griffin's kicked puppy face I can take. 

I still don't care for Nina, but that red dress looked really good on her. MS wears her clothes well, she's just one of those people, I guess.

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17 minutes ago, ulkis said:

What was the other thing Nelle put on the scarf? Was that coffee? (I was distracted by the NELLE IS CRAZY music blaring.) Is that supposed to freak Carly out? Probably all of the scarves at their house are covered in blood and coffee!

And riddled with bullet holes.

Yeah, this scheme is so dumb.  I mean, we know Carly isn't actually going to get taken down a peg let alone at all, but the show can't even make the pointless journey entertaining.

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1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

Yeah, this scheme is so dumb.  I mean, we know Carly isn't actually going to get taken down a peg let alone at all, but the show can't even make the pointless journey entertaining.

Are we supposed to think Nelle's schemes are going to work? Because they are laughably inept, and the show is hitting the Nelle-is-unhinged angle pretty hard (music, bringing up she was in an institution more than once). 

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So of course Carly is going to be right and Nelle is full-on crazy.  Because Carly always has to be right.  Why doesn't the show just have Carly bride-shop for Michael and pick him out someone she deemed acceptable.  He'll go along with it because he's still basically an SLS, Carly will be happy and we'll be saved from her squawking about a woman she doesn't approve of.

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6 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So of course Carly is going to be right and Nelle is full-on crazy.  Because Carly always has to be right.  Why doesn't the show just have Carly bride-shop for Michael and pick him out someone she deemed acceptable.  He'll go along with it because he's still basically an SLS, Carly will be happy and we'll be saved from her squawking about a woman she doesn't approve of.

I think Carly always having to be right was just an unfortunate side effect. Nelle is full on crazy because the audience (the online one at least) hated her. They tried to sell a Michael/Nelle romance with Bobbie scheming against the lovers. It didn't work.

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32 minutes ago, ulkis said:

They tried to sell a Michael/Nelle romance with Bobbie scheming against the lovers. It didn't work.

Bobbie came off like a mean girl. It was so bad, not to mention embarrassing to watch.

I don't think CD is cut out for the young male romantic lead role. He hasn't been able to sell any of Michael's relationships for me. I always get the feeling he's really uncomfortable with that, which I get, but that's part of his job.

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I don't think he seems uncomfortable. I want to flat out say he just doesn't really have chemistry, but his love interests have ranged from horrible to mediocre.

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If Elizabeth had sat on her ass and not cared a whit about the serial killing rapist being missing, I would have called fowl and that would have not been MY girl.  Elizabeth is still wearing the creeps engagement ring and we all know that there are no willing women on this show that will step up and take the clown off her hands.  I HATE that RoHo and MSt were able to weasel out of Frina!

Elizabeth and Sam should have told Jordan the connection between Jim, Drew and Franco.

Elizabeth and Sam looked lovely.

Still hate that giant Peter is going to end up as Anna's son.  Boo.

Ava is the sane one in the room and Nelle is dumb, AF.  Ava needs to get her kid back from CarSon and let it be shown that Morgan was the father and Carly messed with the paternity tests.

Why bring on another newbie in the nurse when we just saw Serena six months ago?!  

Griffin needs to be edgier, because MC can play that role.

I am still loving nuMike!  WoJo for the win!

Finally.  Stella is not ranting and frothing at the mouth due to her grown fiftyish nephew and his girlfriend.

Anna and Jordan has such a good vibe when they worked together under RC.

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5 hours ago, TV Mercenary said:

Look at that Mommy Sam and Mommy Liz are off on a hunt for their giant man babies Drew and Franco who can't be left unsupervised or unaccounted-for for longer than a few hours

In Sam and Liz' defence, the guys have been missing since yesterday, and havent't been heard from since.  I'd be worried too.  

 

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

What was the other thing Nelle put on the scarf? Was that coffee? (

I'm pretty sure it was sooty ashes, like from a fireplace.  I'm assuming Nelle wants Carly to believe that Morgan survived the crash, and so she's making the scarf looked like it survived the explosion.  

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2 hours ago, ulkis said:

I want to flat out say he just doesn't really have chemistry, but his love interests have ranged from horrible to mediocre.

This is also true, to be sure. Michael hasn't had a love interest who isn't problematic in some way—helping him get over his rape trauma, trying to scam him, foisting a baby that isn't his onto him, trying to scam his family, etc.

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4 hours ago, ulkis said:

What was the other thing Nelle put on the scarf? Was that coffee? (

I'm pretty sure it was sooty ashes, like from a fireplace.  I'm assuming Nelle wants Carly to believe that Morgan survived the crash, and so she's making the scarf looked like it survived the explosion.  

That makes a lot more sense than coffee, LOL. But  the ashes should in a bag or something other than a coffee mug.

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9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

But  the ashes should in a bag or something other than a coffee mug.

I assumed Nelle grabbed a coffee cup from the Q kitchen and scooped up some ashes from one of the eleventy fireplaces around the mansion.  

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Anna and Jordan has such a good vibe when they worked together under RC.

Despite the failure of the earthquake trimming the bloated cast, I think that the writers did a good job with the police commissioner during the crisis and Vinessa Antoine rose to the occasion - until Friday's episode.  So Anna offers Jordan a lead on the murder of one of her officers and Jordan said that she was to busy dealing with the damage from the earthquake  - but not too busy to deal with Sonny's dad or chat with her boyfriend.   Meanwhile, despite the earthquake's 'devastating damage' the only PC citizens that are seen wandering around the halls of the hospital seem to be Maxie, Nina, and Faison's son (who is getting a blood test from a random neurosurgeon).  The only action in the hospital seems to be Sam snipping at Liz about her serial killer fiance and Liz snipping at Sam about her serial killer ex-husband.  TFGH.

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Ummm... WTF with Anna and Nelle's pageant hair on Friday??

Also, just FYI Nelle, Chapter 1 of "Revenge Plots for Dummies" suggests you not smear your DNA all over the prop you are going to use against your victim. Jesus God! 

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9 hours ago, apbr said:

I know it's an unpopular opinion but, at the moment, the only characters that are evoking sympathy from me, other than Maxie, are Ava and Franco.

Pull up a seat, there's plenty of room at the table.

I too know it's an unpopular opinion but it's not our fault the writers suck so bad they make me spite-like these characters. I'll add Mike to list, it's bad enough he has to suffer thru Alzheimers but having to deal with Sonny on top of it? He's basically doing everything that shouldn't be done when you're taking care of someone with Alzheimers, nice way to make him feel even worse by questioning what he does or doesn't remember, especially in front of other people.  I'm sure there's a ton of people ready to defend Sonny's behavior, but I don't care. He's an annoying little punk with a Napoleon complex who thinks everything in the world is about him.

I hate that little prick. (And yes I'm cranky because I barely slept last night, but I still hate Sonny.) 

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I've always thought Sonny was terrible to Mike. Yes, Mike left the family and had a gambling problem, but it's not his fault Adela married Deke. That's on her and her alone. The way the show has Sonny use all of that against Mike and to excuse Sonny's behavior for years is pathetic and shows Sonny's immaturity. Human beings are weak. Mike having Alzheimer's could be the start of Sonny realizing and accepting this and finally forgiving Mike for all of it, but of course the show won't go there. Instead we'll get Sonny taking in Mike and paying for his care, all the while patting himself on the back for being Mr. Magnanimous. It will be all about Sonny (as always) and how he's affected, but we won't see him change because of it.

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Did Adela hook up with Trevor before Deke? I've always been slightly fuzzy when it comes to her timeline. Wasn't there something with an evil staircase in her past (predating Stairs with Carly, Sam, and now Drew)?

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11 hours ago, TheMediaHo said:

Did Adela hook up with Trevor before Deke? I've always been slightly fuzzy when it comes to her timeline. Wasn't there something with an evil staircase in her past (predating Stairs with Carly, Sam, and now Drew)?

Adela went to work for Trevor and got involved with him when Sonny was either 4 or 5 years old. They all went away to Martha's Vineyard. While Adela was already pregnant with Ric, Sonny was being fussy with her on the top of the steps because he didn't want to put on I think a raincoat. That causes Adela to accidentally fall down the steps and almost lose the baby.

 

Trevor who had claimed to love Adela gave her an ultimatum: marry him, raise their child together and give up Sonny for adoption OR keep Sonny and give him her baby when he was born so that Trevor could raise him with his wife.

Adela had Ric, gave him to Trevor, kept Sonny and met Deke a few years later. Not that Trevor treated Ric in any loving way.

 

The woman had lousy taste in men and Mike is actually the best one in the pack.

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I wasn't watching when Franco first came on the scene.  I started watching back in the 2000's because I very barely but kind of knew the guy who was playing Lucas at the time.  I got to see Sam come on the scene and hated her.  I have seen only 3 Carlys and TB was the first one.  I stopped watching a little after they killed off Alan because it pissed me off.  I started watching again for no real reason right around the time Alexis and Julian got married.  So, that was my first exposure to Franco.  I was cracking up about his comments at the wedding to the guy who was holding all of them hostage. He pointed out that there was no reason to hold all of them hostage because only one was needed.  He mentioned that Julian was a normal choice but it was his wedding so that's not cool.  Then he said Sonny was usually a good choice because he was a generally horrible human, but that he was in a wheelchair so he had to get a pass.  I decided then I liked Franco because he called a spade a spade.  The fact that he hated Sonny, Jason, and Sam was an added bonus.  Anyway, today, when he was saying that Jason could open the door just by staring at it with his blue eyes had me chuckling.  It's like he is able to say the things I am snarking on. I get people hate him and there are definitely times he annoys the crap out of me, but he is also pretty amusing at times.

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I think he has good lines sometimes . . . but more often than not I think his funny scenes are cringe-inducing. Not as much as his dramatic ones can be though.

But hey, if, anyone likes Franco like away. Who wants an echo chamber?*

*I only want one sometimes. ;) 

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Wasn't Griffin all judgey-judgey of Brad (!) back when Brad was being framed for fudging Dr. Michael Easton's drug tests?  So I was kinda annoyed with his attitude today when he wanted Brad to run some shady tests and Brad wasn't really having it.

I am so, so, soooo sick of Liz.  Every word out of her mouth is how awesome Franco is, how wonderful, how she has the utmost faith in him, blah blah blah get a hobby blah.

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It's very grating to see Anna chuckle over Jason flouting the law like it's no big deal and doesn't go against the career she's devoted her life to. I'm also going to pass on her pleading him to not press for her motives in the Henrik investigation, because it should really just be a given that he's not privy to her thought process and she doesn't owe him any explanations.

I wasn't bothered by Griffin until he acted appalled that Brad wouldn't be working all night to give him the results of the DNA test. Dude, he's helping you with your shady business, you can allow him him a night with his husband without going into a snit.

Ouch, that was some thick symbolism of Drew missing his wedding ring because it's a part of him and he never takes it off. These scenes still feel endless to me, though I'll admit I was amused by Franco's crack about Jason's misty blue eyes.

Okay, I guess the reasonable Liz from last week was an aberration, and we're again stuck with the Liz who barely pauses to breathe in between singing Franco's praises. Fantastic.

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20 minutes ago, Linny said:

I wasn't bothered by Griffin until he acted appalled that Brad wouldn't be working all night to give him the results of the DNA test. Dude, he's helping you with your shady business, you can allow him him a night with his husband without going into a snit.

It's also aggravating to me but not surprising that there was zero acknowledgement that Griffin entered this show as Lucas' (who?) med school buddy, that these two were supposed to be friends.

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45 minutes ago, movingtargetgal said:

GH was preempted in NH because Trump was in town giving a speech.  What happened during the last half hour?  Is it worth sitting through a bunch of commercials and watching it On Demand?  

Not really.

Shouldn't Maxie question Peter as to why he is keeping evil Lulu employed?

Shut up, Olivia.

So they took Drew's wedding ring and threw it in the wastebasket for Sam to find? So stupid. They should have wrote it that Drew dropped it in the hallway on purpose or something.

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6 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Shouldn't Maxie question Peter as to why he is keeping evil Lulu employed?

Maxie should be questioning a lot of things about Nathan's death and Peter's sudden appearance/friendship, but like Lulu, Anna and Alexis before her, women under this regime are stupid and can't figure out things for themselves.

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