Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Lillybee]

I thought that MB really had a hard time remembering his lines today.

[dubbel zout]

39 minutes ago, rur said:

Anna: I hope Jordan gets back soon with that warrant because it sounds like Alexis might be in trouble.  Let's just sit here and keep listening.

Ugh, that was terrible. I almost wanted Alexis to get hurt before Julian confessed, but I realized Anna wouldn't have felt guilty because she's pathological in wanting JusticeForDuke. She'd probably have railed at Alexis for not getting the confession fast or clearly enough.

It's so depressing how unpleasant Anna has become. No wonder FH wants a break.

Avery was awfully chatty today. It cracked me up. 

Edited July 6, 2016 by dubbel zout

[fishcakes]

It sounded like Avery was saying, "I want Mommy! I want Ava!" over and over again.

New Maxie isn't terrible, but she needs to learn to hold her face still. She goes through a lot of bizarre facial expressions when the other person is talking. Also it really undercut the introduction of Claudette to have her first scene not be with Kirsten Storms. It's not as bad as a kidnapped Michael being reunited with Jennifer Bransford's Carly, but it was still pretty lackluster.

Laura and Kevin! Now let's see them with 100% less Spencer.

Watching the previews, I just now noticed how much Kristina and Aaron resemble each other. Their facial features are really similar, to an almost creepy degree, although maybe that's just because I saw the resemblance and then they started kissing. It made me shudder a little.

[Asp Burger]

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No one ever made a big deal about Nikolas being a "prince" before they decided to recast Emily and do Nikolas/Emily and decided Nikolas and Emily should have a corny fairytale theme.

Eh, I don't know. Original Recipe Gia was pretty into it too. She brought it up all the time.  

I thought that MB really had a hard time remembering his lines today.

In other July 6 news, the sun rose in the east and is now setting in the west.  

Edited July 7, 2016 by Asp Burger

[tvgoddess]

Okay, you guys were right. It didn't bother me until today, but this submissive scared of her own shadow Ava kind of sucks. WTF? I hated Ron, but I don't think he'd be writing this BS. I did like every reference to alcohol and the UST between her and Nik. And her "Oh, shame" line. More of that Ava, please.

My favorite part of today was Avery adamantly saying "I want Mommy" and "I want Ava" to Carly. Every single second that the Gruesome Twosome were onscreen was gross, but Avery is always adorable.

Claudette (what's her nickname again? Because I refuse to call her this anymore starting now. Maybe I'll just call her Tess.) actually seemed to liven up Tree just a little bit. Not sure if they have any chem though. I am curious to see if she has any chem with Griffin, but I'm guessing not.

Anna is way past the point of no return. Let's just risk Alexis' safety all because of Justice for Nine Lives. Move the fuck on.

LOL that Ava knows more about Alexis than Sam does.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

5 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Alexis and Julian are connected forever because of this baby and that's never going to change? I thought they were already connected forever because of SAM, their first baby. Remember her?

This writing flaw should have been caught in editing. Or one of the actors should have realized it as an anachronism.

[IWantCandy71]

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 It made me shudder a little

KRISTINA makes me shudder a LOT. There is nothing good about this character. NOTHING.

[Lillybee]

13 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

This writing flaw should have been caught in editing. Or one of the actors should have realized it as an anachronism.

I thought that  they dropped editing to save money.

[Perkie]

22 minutes ago, Lillybee said:

I thought that  they dropped editing to save money.

I thought they dropped logic to save money.

 

is it just me or do the Claudette actress and the nuMaxie actress look a lot alike.  I wonder if that's why they let MB keep her dark hair even though Maxie is a blonde.  

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

Eh, I don't know. Original Recipe Gia was pretty into it too. She brought it up all the time.    

Did she? I wasn't watching much then. Either way . . . it wasn't something that was made much of during TC's original run, at least, not in the "you're a prince so that must mean I'm a princess yaaaaaay" way they have been doing for the past decade and a half.

[jsbt]

Ava loves the mob life. Pretending she wants out of it for her daughter is laughable to me. She's always wanted one thing, power.

[Oracle42]

It's gross that she'd pretend to want out for Avery (especially since Avery's damned father is in the mob too) when she actively pursued it while raising her other pointless child. She can stfu with that bullshit

[tvgoddess]

I mean, it's obvious why they did it, but it's still lame.

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, fishcakes said:

It sounded like Avery was saying, "I want Mommy! I want Ava!" over and over again.

 

 

The twins that play Avery are named Grace and Ava, so I'm guessing that was Grace on today's show calling for her sister, lol.

I can't believe Jason and Sam didn't submarine over to Cassadine Island, thus enabling them to get back to PC before morning.  Show is slipping with the "they are the best!" narrative.  And NOW Sam needs to desperately get back.  Mom accused of murder?  Meh.  Mom pregnant?  Where's the wormhole to PC?

[twoods]

Watched today and actually liked the actresses that play Maxie and Claudette, and Nik as well. Also Nathan and Claudette had chemistry- my expectations are minimal now that I watch this show once every month, but it was there. And Morgan was tolerable yesterday? More of that, please.

The angel of death storyline is intriguing. Sort of.

I have to FF Julian and Alexis because he is downright creepy. I'm afraid he's going to shoot her on the spot once he realizes she set him up. 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Just now, twoods said:

I have to FF Julian and Alexis because he is downright creepy. I'm afraid he's going to shoot her on the spot once he realizes she set him up. 

I'm afraid that Julian is going to strangle her or render her unconscious by hitting her head.

[FilmTVGeek80]

4 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

It's gross that she'd pretend to want out for Avery (especially since Avery's damned father is in the mob too) when she actively pursued it while raising her other pointless child. She can stfu with that bullshit

 

Just because Avery's father is in the mob doesn't mean Ava should want to stay in. At least one non-mobbed up parent may lessen the danger. And did Ava pursue the mob while raising Kiki? I don't remember all the details of Ava's backstory, but didn't she only find out she was a Jerome well into adulthood (maybe only a little while before she debutted on the show?) Wasn't Kiki raised mob, and violence, free?

[TeeVee329]

38 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

And did Ava pursue the mob while raising Kiki? I don't remember all the details of Ava's backstory, but didn't she only find out she was a Jerome well into adulthood (maybe only a little while before she debutted on the show?) Wasn't Kiki raised mob, and violence, free?

I had the same question.  I think Ava's known about her Jerome connections for a long time (hence Kiki's last name being Jerome), but it's always sounded like Kiki's childhood was pretty mob/violence-free.

I don't even remember - why does Ava not want to go back to PC?  Because of the pointless, stupid Huxley shit?

[Asp Burger]

Absolutely, re: more chemistry between the Talking Tree and this Claudette chick than there has ever been between TT and the standard Maxie. I don't think anything could make Nathan great, but the energy is better. I find myself, just in the first day they're on together, buying him as a certain type of taciturn guy rather than the usual cardboard cutout.  

I kind of liked this episode, largely because I eat up with a spoon suspenseful scenes such as the ones involving Julian, Alexis, the wire, and the people in the van, if they're even competently done, which these were. NLG also looked great in that fitted red shirt and very refreshed overall.  

Episode MVP was definitely the little girl playing Avery, though. I will give credit where due: Laura Wright did a great job with her when she was being talkative beyond what was surely hoped for. My favorite part was when Avery started reaching into the holes in that sweater and thinking about how she could ruin it.   

The timing was terrible on the Maxie recast just as it was on the Nikolas recast. The second day the new actress appears, she gets a "surprise ending" scene in which Nathan is startled to find her in Claudette's hotel room, and she isn't identified? Anyone who missed the previous day--and probably a lot of people who saw the previous day and haven't committed NuMaxie's face to memory yet--is just going to register this as some anonymous brunette woman. Maybe they'll think the big reveal is that Claudette has a girlfriend.  

PCPD reacting to the Nikolas/newspaper photo: "We just got a text from Jason Morgan! Get this: AJ Quartermaine is alive!" 

It would have been a sweet callback if Jason had reacted to his text not going through with a super-dramatic "No service!" 

Yeah, Jason and Sam were both being smug bitches. 

Elizabeth has been devastated since Nik's "death"? I haven't seen that. Not in the scenes Sam has been there for, not even in the ones Sam couldn't have seen. I mean...in the first few days this mess was going on, she folded a conspiracy theory into her new favorite sport of Hatin' on Hayden, but now even that has become more about Finn and hospital shenanigans. And even when she was badgering Hayden over Nikolas, there was more "gotcha" smirking than anything resembling grief or devastation.   

Edited July 7, 2016 by Asp Burger

[NutmegsDad]

Little Avery doing ad hoc Ava propping was the best thing for the episode, and with the tight filming and budget, they could get a Baby Wig-on-a-Stick substitute. Suck it, Show.

I swear that Carly and Sonny, at the end of a scene, both cackled like supervillans, with maniacal laughs.

Show is getting lazy (along with makeup cuts) not to have tempNik try to fight Jason. "I beat you up three times (including one time you let me beat you up), so I'm going to order you around and force you to reveal your existence. Subplot over! Yeah, me!"

JUSTICE FOR DEWQ! ALL IS RIGHT WITH THE WORLD! Now all Jordan needs it to show that thumbdrive to the judge--- oh, that's another hot potato that only Sonny and Carly (with Spinelli's help) will be able to save the day.....

Anyone remember the last time Sonny got one of his PCPD stooges to take evidence to exonerate someone.....?

[NutmegsDad]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't even remember - why does Ava not want to go back to PC?  Because of the pointless, stupid Huxley shit?

Probably, since she's not covered by Jason's Dire Warning to Huxley.

I hate what they did with the Jeromes not wanting to be in the mob, only to be forced back in because Reasons, and Ava being Mobster Non Grata thanks to Paul, while, Sonny is sooooooooo reluctant to be in the Mob, because there are 10 other people* much worse who would take over.

* Those ten people are also the list of actresses who weren't available to take over for KSt as tempMaxie, listed previously.

[tvgoddess]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Elizabeth has been devastated since Nik's "death"? I haven't seen that. Not in the scenes Sam has been there for, not even in the ones Sam couldn't have seen. I mean...in the first few days this mess was going on, she folded a conspiracy theory into her new favorite sport of Hatin' on Hayden, but now even that has become more about Finn and hospital shenanigans. And even when she was badgering Hayden over Nikolas, there was more "gotcha" smirking than anything resembling grief or devastation.   

Seriously, ALL of this. She hasn't done anything except gloat. Oh, and make out with SERIAL KILLER.

[dubbel zout]

6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't even remember - why does Ava not want to go back to PC?  Because of the pointless, stupid Huxley shit?

Yes, Ava is afraid Huxley will track her down in PC. Because he couldn't do that before Ava hopped the plane to London, I guess. *rme*

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Anyone who missed the previous day--and probably a lot of people who saw the previous day and haven't committed NuMaxie's face to memory yet--is just going to register this as some anonymous brunette woman.

I saw the previous day, and my first thought was, "Who's that with Claudette?" Heh.

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Elizabeth has been devastated since Nik's "death"?

No one's been devastated, IMO. They're not even convinced he's actually dead, hence the prayer service, or whatever it was. 

34 minutes ago, NutmegsDad said:

Now all Jordan needs it to show that thumbdrive to the judge

You're assuming Jordan will get that far. She'll probably get in a car crash on the way to the judge and the thumb drive is damaged and/or lost. Or the drive won't play properly.

[LeftPhalange]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Yeah, Jason and Sam were both being smug bitches. 

After everything Nik has done to Sam and Jason - including currently letting Jason take the rap for his "murder" - I think they have every right to be "smug bitches." And actually, their reactions have been far more tame than I would like and extremely unrealistic. 

I'm not sure why talking tree thinks he has the right to order Claud out of town, especially since she has dirt on him. STFU, loser. 

I didn't know sitting outside of a suspect's house in a dark van was still something cops did in 2016. 

LOL at Anna pretending to care about Alexis' safety. She's gross as fuck. 

Liez is devastating over Nik's presumed death? Oh. Where is the evidence to support this claim?

Edited July 7, 2016 by LeftPhalange

[rur]

9 hours ago, twoods said:

I have to FF Julian and Alexis because he is downright creepy. I'm afraid he's going to shoot her on the spot once he realizes she set him up. 

 

9 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I'm afraid that Julian is going to strangle her or render her unconscious by hitting her head.

Don't worry: Anna is sitting in the van listening. If he kills her, she'll testify when he's tried for Alexis's murder, unless that occurs before she gets justice for Duke.

Edited July 7, 2016 by rur

[IWantCandy71]

9 hours ago, twoods said:

Watched today and actually liked the actresses that play Maxie and Claudette, and Nik as well. Also Nathan and Claudette had chemistry- my expectations are minimal now that I watch this show once every month, but it was there. And Morgan was tolerable yesterday? More of that, please.

The angel of death storyline is intriguing. Sort of.

I have to FF Julian and Alexis because he is downright creepy. I'm afraid he's going to shoot her on the spot once he realizes she set him up. 

I watched about two minutes of the Tuesday Maxie/Dillon/Claudette stuff and I just wasn't interested. Part of it is subconscious resentment at yet another character coming on sucking up airtime that could go to someone the regular audience already knows and is interested in. I do like Molly Burnett okay, and I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but I don't care. Don't want to see her stay as another character when KSt comes back though-for reasons just stated-this cast is already overblown. Although-Dillon shouldn't have to sit on the sidelines and wait while Kiki has Morgan. And there really isn't any other female in his age group I'd want him around. Wouldn't mind Dillon and Nina dating for fun and company, but that's all I'd tolerate between them.

I ALWAYS FFwd Julian and Alexis. I ain't missing nothing there with either one of them, separately or together. I wish he WOULD shoot her, and then go to jail. Bye to both.

[TeeVee329]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

You're assuming Jordan will get that far. She'll probably get in a car crash on the way to the judge and the thumb drive is damaged and/or lost. Or the drive won't play properly.

Or TJ will show up to yell at her.  Oh, no wait, that's at least two-four weeks off. #eyeroll

[Cheyanne11]

12 minutes ago, rur said:

 

Don't worry: Anna is sitting in the van listening. If he kills her, she'll testify when he's tried for Alexis's murder, unless that occurs before she gets justice for Duke.

Jordan: "OK, we've got enough!"

Anna: "No, wait!  He hasn't confessed to ordering Duke's murder."

Julian confesses to ordering Duke's murder.

Anna: "Let's just get a little more detail.  Maybe Alexis can pull out a whiteboard and have him diagram it."

Me: "I quit you, Anna."

[nilyank]

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I didn't know sitting outside of a suspect's house in a dark van was still something cops did in 2016. 

 

Not just the cops, but the district attorney and the chief of police. Don't they have underlings who are supposed to do that?

Yeah, I don't get why Ava doesn't want to go back to Port Charles. Is it really more important to keep the stupid statue away from Huxley than actually go home and see her daughters.

[Sake614]

I thought when you wired someone and got a confession from the suspect, that the cops immediately came in and arrested the suspect? That's how L&O and NCIS do it! It just made no sense that they'd leave Alexis twisting in the wind while Jordan tries to find a judge to issue an arrest warrant. Although I think Alexis screwed herself when she abruptly pulled away from Julian. I get that she didn't want him to feel the wire, but that knee-jerk reaction sealed her fate.

Meanwhile, if Julian has someone on the inside who can steal the dagger out of the evidence room, what makes them think he can't make the flash drive disappear?

[Cheyanne11]

5 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

 

Meanwhile, if Julian has someone on the inside who can steal the dagger out of the evidence room, what makes them think he can't make the flash drive disappear?

I guess Julian having someone on the inside is enough to make Anna crazy, but Sonny having someone on the inside is just "well, we can't stop him so we might as well bring him into our circle of trust."

This friggin' show...

[Sake614]

But you must remember that Julian ordered a hit on DUKE! And Sonny wants to avenge that death as much as Anna. Because Duke was such a good, kind, decent, loving man who would never hurt a soul...except Jordan because she betrayed him. But then he got a sadz because TJ would be without a mother. So he offered to pay the kid's college tuition to make up for murdering his mother. But you know, none of that matters because Julian is TEH EVIL! And Sonny stands for truth, justice and the American way. Even Carly said how proud she was of him for listening to her plea to end the gun violence ::eyeroll::

[Syndicate]

If Claudette isn't going to make life miserable for Nathan by turning him in for attempted murder then why is she here? Nathan has told Maxie about the whole sordid mess so that part of it has been neutralized. What other avenue is there besides Claudette trying to expose him for attempted murder? Griffin can help her in this endeavor but he's much too pure to participate.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

if Julian has someone on the inside who can steal the dagger out of the evidence room,

I forgot to mention this earlier, but Alexis's gasp when she saw the dagger was hilarious.

Just now, Syndicate said:

If Claudette isn't going to make life miserable for Nathan by turning him in for attempted murder then why is she here?

Not that it matters for GH, but IRL there is a statute of limitations in NYS for attempted murder, 5 years. So Nathan would be in the clear as far as that goes. 

Given what a fun-loving, spicy bad girl she is, Claudette will undoubtably find many ways to make life miserable for Nathan.

[Syndicate]

Statute of limitations? I wonder why Nathan didn't just throw that in her face? Instead, he actually seemed worried that she'd try to expose him to the police.

Edited July 7, 2016 by Syndicate

[Sake614]

The statute of limitations doesn't apply on GH.

[LeftPhalange]

6 minutes ago, Syndicate said:

Statute of limitations? I wonder why Nathan didn't just throw that in her face? Instead, he actually seemed worried that she'd try to expose him to the police.

He's stupid.

[TeeVee329]

20 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Given what a fun-loving, spicy bad girl she is, Claudette will undoubtably find many ways to make life miserable for Nathan.

Claudette: Nathan tried to murder my Thornbirds lover!

Jordan: ...do you not see me having a Snapple and playing Candy Crush on my phone?

Edited July 7, 2016 by TeeVee329

[LegalParrot81]

Okay, it's been two days and Cloddirt is boring as hell.  She and Nuthin' could cure most insomniacs.

I like Avery. 

Can this Julian crap end?  Never cared for the character or honestly, the actor.  Both can go away, permanently.

Edited July 7, 2016 by LegalParrot81
posted the same thing twice in the same space

[P3pp3rb1rd]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

You're assuming Jordan will get that far. She'll probably get in a car crash on the way to the judge and the thumb drive is damaged and/or lost. Or the drive won't play properly.

yeah. Show will need an excuse to call Spinelli up ASAP ("Call a Nerd") to get insta-help with fixing the critical drive....

[Linny]

Claudette looks like Francine from American Dad. I feel bad comparing the actress to a cartoon character, but that's exactly who she reminds me of. New Maxie can stay, as far as I'm concerned. I like the different energy she brings, and her voice is more pleasant to my ears.

[LexieLily]

The PCPD is the most incompetent police department in the world.

[TeeVee329]

Wow, I was happily surprised that Nathan immediately clued Maxie in on "CJ" being Claudette.  I was really dreading weeks of Maxie being in the dark about that.  So point to you, Show.

WhatsHisName claiming to Kristina that he doesn't know anything about Sonny was a big red flag that he's Up To No Good.  Otherwise, who cares about these two?

Oh for fuck's sakes, Sonny paid for the town's fireworks?!?!  These writers are shameless.

Nothing says #GHSummerLoving like a man attacking his wife! #eyeroll

[Lillybee]

How the fuck did Julian's guys disable the van with both Anna and Paul inside it?

[Fellaway]

Where, exactly, does Aaron live?  It looks like he set up a bed and a nightstand on the docks.

Anna and Jordan are the worst police ever, for too many reasons to enumerate from this episode alone.

Hey, just scream, Alexis.  Kristina's just around the corner.

[tvgoddess]

From the way my TL is reacting on Twitter, this episode was beyond distasteful. And that's really saying something with this show.

[rur]

We now know why Alexis and Dianne are such successful lawyers. The PCPD enables them. 

I know all soaps call for an extreme willingness to suspend disbelief, but after today and the disabled van, I think my suspenders might have snapped.

 

*And while I'm ranting and still ticked off, didn't Julian build Alexis a house out by the lake, like her last one, far away from civilization? If so, how in the world could the van be parked just around the corner? 

Edited July 7, 2016 by rur

[lovelynn]

PCPD is the worst. Anna is a joke and I don't know how she can even hope to be redeemed after all she has done in the name of seeing justice for Duke.

I know it's not what I'm supposed to want but I really did just want Julian to pull a murder suicide on the docks and save us all from having to watch their dysfunctional relationship anymore.

CJ hugging a picture of happier times with Nathan. UGH. I'm really hoping she isn't in town to pull a Lisa Niles.

[TeeVee329]

Am I the only one who maybe thought Paul was behind the disabled van somehow?  Or are we really supposed to be forgetting him shooting Sonny, trying to muscle in on the mob, killing Sloane, etc.?

[WendyCR72]

3 minutes ago, lovelynn said:

CJ hugging a picture of happier times with Nathan. UGH. I'm really hoping she isn't in town to pull a Lisa Niles.

I bet that's exactly it. Because the original didn't suck enough. And we saw how that went when Guza warped Patrick and Robin because he fell for BBr/Lisa and extended her stay; the fact that CJ/Claudette is already played by a pet of FV will make this just as horrendous, I'm sure.