Episode Discussion: TFGH

[truthaboutluv]

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I liked Kim and Oscar's apartment the first time I saw it, but today it looked like a cheesy bachelor pad on an '80s sitcom.

It was probably the horribly cheesy white Christmas tree. At least that's what was bugging me. 

 

35 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said:

Another day, another chance for Sonny to intimidate a woman. This show.

I'm not sure that's what they were going for but I swear I haven't laughed so loud and hard in days, as I did, during that final scene with Sonny and Carly where I assume we were supposed to be seeing scary, intimidating Sonny warning Carly of the evil he is about to do. Whatever... 

 

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's gross that Nelle is using the baby as a bargaining chip, but I am enjoying her putting the screws to all the smug Corinthii.

Team No One really. Well I guess I sort of feel for Michael, even if he is incredibly dull and bland. But much like the Carly, Ava, Sonny saga, Carly, Sonny and Nelle can all go jump in a fire. 

Catching up with this show while on vacation has been interesting - as in, I'm reminded why I don't watch regularly. The lack of subtlety continues to be astounding. I like how Monica makes this huge leap about Sam's feelings purely off Sam updating her on what's happening which is really the writers' way of telling viewers that's what's happening, rather than putting in any effort to show it.

I also continue to feel zero desire to see Sam and Jason back together and that continues to amaze me as someone who loved Jason and Sam for years. Although to be fair, I don't think I ever got over the hatchet job the show did on them during the infamous Summer of Sleaze. I pretty much checked out around that point and only watched occasionally and really didn't care for them as a pairing as I once did. 

Edited December 13, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[Linny]

Not a fan of Monica joining the "allow me to tell Sam how she thinks/feels" club. That bit about Kim/Oscar being Drew's family was a tremendous stretch, and for someone who claimed she would continue to love and support Drew, it sure does feel like she's biased in Jason's favor.

Perfect, adding Ava's voice to an already adversarial situation is just what this Nelle mess needed. And Sonny seemed eager to threaten a pregnant woman, but I guess it's been a few years since he's had the opportunity and he had to prove he's still willing to stoop so low. I wish Michael, the grown man and CEO, could handle his business without Carly and Sonny's interference, because the lack of boundaries in their relationship is frankly ridiculous.

Ned's shoutout to Tracy was the best bit of the episode.

[ciarra]

Oh, and I forgot Kim Nero -- a gynecologist (or med student) who also didn't know where babies came from.

[seasons]

The more I think about how this young actor is playing Oscar, the more I think that it is actually pretty accurate as to how many teens are today. Especially boys. Kind of that flat affect.

[seasons]

I liked today's scene with Jason and Drew.

Also with Monica and Sam. Monica is more level headed than Alexis. I think.

[mostlylurking]

3 hours ago, ciarra said:

why the astonishment over sexually active people becoming pregnant?  It's like they think it's Powerball jackpot odds. 

Biggest Pet Peeve Ever.  And I have a lot!  Not just in soap land either, in real life!  It astounds me how little average people know about basic biology.

[statsgirl]

Starting with the positive:

I really like how more characters are taking bigger roles on now e.g. Monica talking to Sam and Drew and the rest of the family rather than just propping a character or being the off-screen babysitter.  It got boring always being about Carson and their issues.  As much as I like MT playing Ava, it was nice to get a break from her too.  But now that she's back, I liked her conversation with Julian in which he offered to step back so that she could have her relationship with Griffin and she said no, she would balance them both.  I'm enjoying characters on this show having empathy again, it's been too long absent.

The scene with Jason and Drew was well handled too.  No recriminations or anger, just two non-emotive guys talking.

The bad:

Why is Britt in jail, and no one else is?  Given what they've done, half the cast should be in jail because they've done worse.

I thought Edward's will divided up the shares among the grandchildren.  Drew's existence changes that since now it's four of them instead of just three (Ned, Jason and AJ). But why would Oscar and Michael's baby affect the shares?  They're great granchildren (Oscar) and great-greatgranchildren (Nelle's spawn).

But that's a small aggravation compared to the scene with Sonny, Carly, Michael and Nelle.  As bad as she is, Nelle came off the best in that.  Are Michael and Carly so stupid as to think that if Nelle went to court, she wouldn't get a ton of money out of ELQ CEO and multi-millionaire Michael?  Not just basic child support but support for Nelle too.

The worst was the way MB plays Sonny.  It's not entertaining to see him threatening in his mumbly gummi bear mob way, especially since he seems to be threatening women so much of the time. Sure Sonny, threaten to lock Nelle up.  She may not be popular and PCPD incompetent but someone is going to notice that she's missing.  MB should be playing this as quietly powerful and menacing to contrast with Carly but instead he's as off the rails as she is.

Incidentally, Michael is a grown-ass man in his thirties. Why does he need Mommy and Daddy there to negotiate with his baby mama?

Is there any way The Traitor! The Traitor! is not Dr. Bensch?  The cast of this show is so small, it's got to be him.  Also it takes what looks like a great alternative for Alexis off the table.

Edited December 13, 2017 by statsgirl

[GHScorpiosRule]

38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Are Michael and Carly so stupid as to think that if Nelle went to court, she wouldn't get a ton of money out of ELQ CEO and multi-millionaire Michael? 

Yes. Yes they are.

38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

The worst was the way MB plays Sonny.  It's not entertaining to see him threatening in his mumbly gummi bear mob way, especially since he seems to be threatening women so much of the time. Sure Sonny, threaten to lock Nelle up.  She may not be popular and PCPD incompetent but someone is going to notice that she's missing.  MB should be playing this as quietly powerful and menacing to contrast with Carly but instead he's as off the rails as she is.

Regarding the bolded: ???????????

You were serious? This is the guy who thinks he's Michael Corleone. He's called mooby for a reason. Maurice just SUCKS at playing a mafia Don. He's much better playing a thug. I don't know how anyone takes him seriously.

Edited December 13, 2017 by GHScorpiosRule

[TeeVee329]

39 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I thought Edward's will divided up the shares among the grandchildren.  Drew's existence changes that since now it's four of them instead of just three (Ned, Jason and AJ).

Aw, you forgot Dillon, and Skye!

But as I recall, I think there were different levels in the will we heard Diane read for both the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren.  I remember Tracy being mad because Sam had control of both Jason and Danny's shares.

Edited December 13, 2017 by TeeVee329

[Perkie]

At some point, wouldn't the will shares/stock whatever, stop dolling out to the heirs?  Otherwise every time a baby is born everyone has to redo their percentage.  That makes no sense.  

[OnceSane]

36 minutes ago, Perkie said:

At some point, wouldn't the will shares/stock whatever, stop dolling out to the heirs?  Otherwise every time a baby is born everyone has to redo their percentage.  That makes no sense.  

I think the will stated the shares were to be divided based on living descendants (specifically, grandchildren and great-grandchildren) at the time of Edward's death.  That's why Oscar, Drew and Jason's existences matter.  Nelle's kid shouldn't affect the distribution because s/he didn't alive when Edward died.

[tveyeonyou]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Is there any way The Traitor! The Traitor! is not Dr. Bensch?  The cast of this show is so small, it's got to be him.  Also it takes what looks like a great alternative for Alexis off the table.

I thought I was sitting at a table for one with this theory. I mentioned this quite awhile ago but nobody bit so I figured maybe I was way off. But there really doesn't seem to be any use for him other than the way he was being all creepy with Kiki in the beginning.  Also this is TFGH we're talking about, where sense has no place anywhere unless it happens by mistake.

[movingtargetgal]

When Sonny told Carly to hold back and wait for him to "take care" of Nelle after the baby is born, I thought she was going to have a screaming orgasm in the middle of the Metrocourt.  She had a look on her face that read "I have never been more turned on than I am right now.  Take me you big beautiful murderous mobster.".  They really are a vile couple.

Edited December 14, 2017 by movingtargetgal

[sunnyface]

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Steve and Mo are infinitely better than Roger and Michael.

Wow.

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 3:39 PM, MissL said:

Oh I never saw her before this! I do love her...and covet her skin. 

agree on Oscar. He is ...wow...I've only seen him in a few scenes and I thought I was being judgmental but it sounds like nope I'm not.

Her skin is amazing!  Mine is as pale as hers, but I have some dreaded rosacea.  Her hair is also absolutely gorgeous.  I want what she's having.

[Auntie Velvet]

Just finished today's ep. While Nelle is obviously a cartoon character at this point, I don't like the eye-rolling about her medical condition. I'm no doctor, but it seems to me that when you're pregnant with one kidney, it's no time to be working like a stevedore.  

Edited December 14, 2017 by Auntie Velvet

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, OnceSane said:

I think the will stated the shares were to be divided based on living descendants (specifically, grandchildren and great-grandchildren) at the time of Edward's death.  That's why Oscar, Drew and Jason's existences matter.  Nelle's kid shouldn't affect the distribution because s/he didn't alive when Edward died.

For an international businessman, Edward’s will was written so, so badly. He’d have done better using LegalZoom, FFS.

1 minute ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Just finished today's ep. While Nelle is obviously a cartoon character at this point, I don't like they eye-rolling about her medical condition. I'm not doctor, but it seems to me that when you're pregnant with one kidney, this is no time to be working like a stevedore.  

If Michael wants to keep an eye on Nelle, he could give her a banal job at ELQ. (Or was that mentioned? I’ve seen only the first half of today’s ep so far.)

[Auntie Velvet]

On 12/12/2017 at 3:14 PM, Linny said:

You know, in theory I should be rooting for Nelle against Michael/Carly/Sonny, if only because of the principle that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I can't bring myself to do it. She's nothing but a one-note bad girl whose every word is derogatory, there's no nuance, no glimmer of humanity that makes her worth caring about. I can't derive any satisfaction from her actions even though she's causing Carly distress. We're just spinning our wheels with this character, no matter the situation, and I'm so over it.

Everyone's horrified reactions to Nelle's pregnancy was played perfectly, however. Special love to Dante's "damn, dude, I don't envy you!" attitude toward Michael. I live for Dante's reactions to the crazy drama that surrounds his family, it's always so good.

DZ is so good. He just gives this dubious look to someone, just for a split second, and then I remember this whole storyline from years ago that's been all but buried, but that's a layer that he brings to it.

[ulkis]

I think Kim's apartment looks modern . . . a little too modern . . . feels like they copied a template from a house renovation show.

[movingtargetgal]

33 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Just finished today's ep. While Nelle is obviously a cartoon character at this point, I don't like the eye-rolling about her medical condition. I'm no doctor, but it seems to me that when you're pregnant with one kidney, it's no time to be working like a stevedore.  

I think that under these unique circumstances Michael should be financially supporting Nelle.  Nelle does have only one kidney which makes this a high risk pregnancy, not to mention that Nelles other kidney went to Joss and it saved Michael's sister and Carly's daughter's life.  Michael is a multi millionaire and he can well afford to provide for his unborn child's mother.  He does not need to get her a penthouse.  He offered her the condo rent free and will take care of her medical expenses and expects her to work to support the rest of her needs.  Nelle is limited to the type of work she is qualified for and most likely she would only be able to find a low paying job that will keep her on her feet 40+ hours a week.  This is not healthy for a pregnant woman with one kidney.  Michael should be looking out for the health of his child and it's mother.  Instead of insisting she work Michael should offer to pay for Nelle to go back to school so she can better provide for herself and their child.  It sucks to have to support someone you hate but Michael can well afford this.  At this point it is the best thing for the health of the baby.

Carly can take a seat with her outrage over Michael being trapped in this mess.  She did the same thing when she was pregnant with Michael.  She used Michael to manipulate rich men (Tony, Jason, AJ and Sonny) into supporting her since the day her pregnancy test stick turned blue.  

[CPP83]

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I think Kim's apartment looks modern . . . a little too modern . . . feels like they copied a template from a house renovation show.

 

Considering the budget, or lack thereof, for the show at this point there's a good possibility they were squatting in some unsuspecting person's flat.

I agree that Oscar really does act like a real teen, but man it's boring as hell.

The kid seems like he would light up like a Christmas tree if someone just tossed him a bag of Cheetos and handed him a remote controller to an Xbox console. Heck, at this point that might actually prove slightly interesting with everything else going on.

Jason and Drew spent time together and I swear, if mumbling lines and staring blue steel at something justttt past the camera were Olympic sports, Steve and Billy would both get honorable mentions because the lackluster, half-heated, that check better clear this week, attitudes were on high, imo.

Not that I blame them frankly, I think they keep bringing up how improbable/impossible this memory swap/Jason should die and be replaced by his unknown twin story-line because the actors are still confounded, baffled, and probably angry that this is the best the writers could come up with. It makes Ron's miraculous mask fix-all ploy seem genius.

This show needs less useless bodies with stupid names, show, not more. Stop giving people kids and babies and magical fetuses that people keep lying and say that they want. Cut it out. This show needs to be mowed down by half, at least. Michael needs a baby like he needs to get back with Kiki.

The actress who plays Nelle is quite...different.

Carly and Sonny trying to act morally superior to anyone is so beyond belief that the whole restaurant should have died from hysterical laughing fits.

[Ambrosefolly]

13 hours ago, BF4L said:

I never mentioned those other actors so I don't know why you're bringing them up. I happen to agree with you that they have earned their spot and it is a shame they are not valued by TPTB. My point was Roger and Michael never earned anything on GH. They just have the fortune of having an EP who has a hard-on for OLTL and caters to them in every way despite the fact that they have never given even a decent performance on GH. Steve has been amazing in his return and can emote so much with just his eyes. Michael is like a robot. Mo has also delivered great performances (like during Morgan's death) while the only thing Roger can do is give a smart ass delivery. Like it or not, Jason and Sonny are 2 of the show's most popular and iconic characters in GH history and Franco and Finn are amongst the show's worst. Roger and Michael have contributed NOTHING to justify their continuing presence on the show. If not for Frank (the only EP in the world who actually sees something in those one trick ponies), they'd be the first ones gone. 

 

 

I realize you didn't mention the others. My point behind that are (in my mind) more deserving people that are begging for screen time, but Maurice and Steve are eating it all up again and it didn't matter there was a complete regime change. Like I said, Steve Burton has the benefit of not playing Jason for the last few years, so that contributed to any new energy, and they never knew what to do with Michael Easton's billions of characters. Frankly, I don't think that SB acts that well with his eyes--he benefits from them being incredibly piercing. As for Roger Hogworth-Franco sucks. He was a terrible character when James Franco played him and he is even worse now. Of all the things they could have done with RH, like create a new character or cast him as Valentin, they picked a character that was only memorable because he was played movie star, unlike many moons ago when Liz Taylor played Helena Cassadine, who was tied into an already popular, albeit cheesy, plot. 

I will go as far to say neither Maurice and even less Steve truly earned the vast amounts screen time they continue to get . Sure, Maurice was one half of an extremely regarded Super couple,  but so was Kristin Wagner, Rebecca Herbst, Leslie Charleston (Monica and Alan were a super couple), and Queen of them all, Genie Francis, for which this show wouldn't even be on the air if it wasn't for her. As for SB, he was saved after years of play a milquetoast Q, he got the rare reboot and yes, did rise to the occasion. None of this warranted nearly 2 to 3 decades of dominating the show.  What was their good fortune? JFP, famous for her bad decision making, favoritism and her Harvey Weinstein-like ability to line up Emmy awards partnered with Guza's unleashed id. For over a decade, we got day after day of the Sason Hour featuring whoever was playing Carly and Jason love interest du jour, going well above their minimums, while vets, that didn't have any major health problems were featured less than character played by children. For all the talk of Steve and Maurice being so fucking popular, we got several interviews, mainly from Guza, scratching his head as to why the audience wasn't down for his vision of the Continuing Adventures the Holy Hitman and the Aging Bipolar Casanova. 

So there is my rebuttal. That talent wise, Maurice and Steve don't stand heads and shoulders above Michael and Roger, nor do I believe their long standing dominance was especially earned. Michael and Roger don't deserve it either. No one does. 

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Meh. I lost count of how many vets they let go to make room for the OLTL invasion so I don't feel bad at all those flops are being cut to actually bring one of the show's most popular stars back where he belongs seeing as those he never should have been pushed out to begin with. I'd much rather MB and SB rule the show than ME and RH.

 

 

And I'd rather see none of them rule the show. Frankly, as bad as the show was, I never once missed Steve Burton or Jason Morgan. Not once. They barely tried with recast Dillon, Rebecca Budig should have played Sarah Webber, and now that they are bothering to give Andre and substantial backstory now that he his more likely on his way out, he is acting has vastly improved. 

Edited December 14, 2017 by Ambrosefolly

[Cheyanne11]

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

But that's a small aggravation compared to the scene with Sonny, Carly, Michael and Nelle.  As bad as she is, Nelle came off the best in that.  Are Michael and Carly so stupid as to think that if Nelle went to court, she wouldn't get a ton of money out of ELQ CEO and multi-millionaire Michael?  Not just basic child support but support for Nelle too.

The worst was the way MB plays Sonny.  It's not entertaining to see him threatening in his mumbly gummi bear mob way, especially since he seems to be threatening women so much of the time. Sure Sonny, threaten to lock Nelle up.  She may not be popular and PCPD incompetent but someone is going to notice that she's missing.  MB should be playing this as quietly powerful and menacing to contrast with Carly but instead he's as off the rails as she is.

Incidentally, Michael is a grown-ass man in his thirties. Why does he need Mommy and Daddy there to negotiate with his baby mama?

 

 

Those scenes almost  had me in a rage blackout.  And Michael saying Nelle, like Ava, doesn't care about her child?  That's straight out of the Sonny Corinthos "let's marginalize all my baby mamas" book.  I don't really care about Nelle, but it's a gross statement to say Ava doesn't love Avery--especially given the way Sonny manipple-ated her into not seeing that child. 

Honestly, the second Michael made his bogus offer to Nelle she should've just stood up and said "I'll have my lawyer contact Diane," because the Corinthii are just a bunch of bullying assholes.

[statsgirl]

That line about Ava not caring about Avery really is rage-inducing, especially since the last time Michael saw Ava she was trying to get time with Avery and stumbled into Morgan's memorial.  Do they think if they keep repeating it, it will be true?  Or are they really that stupid?

3 hours ago, OnceSane said:

I think the will stated the shares were to be divided based on living descendants (specifically, grandchildren and great-grandchildren) at the time of Edward's death.  That's why Oscar, Drew and Jason's existences matter.  Nelle's kid shouldn't affect the distribution because s/he didn't alive when Edward died.

That makes sense, although he should have anticipated new relatives popping up since he spread a few wild oats of his own.  And given them non-voting shares that they couldn't sell to outsiders.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

If Michael wants to keep an eye on Nelle, he could give her a banal job at ELQ. (Or was that mentioned? I’ve seen only the first half of today’s ep so far.)

Because they want to punish her for daring to blackmail her baby daddy and his family.  You know, that thing that Carly did when she was Nelle's age.  Sonny and Carly and possibly Michael don't care about the baby much less about Nelle to makes sure it has the healthiest possible beginning.

They're such great heroes of the show.

[ulkis]

17 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Those scenes almost  had me in a rage blackout.  And Michael saying Nelle, like Ava, doesn't care about her child?  That's straight out of the Sonny Corinthos "let's marginalize all my baby mamas" book.  I don't really care about Nelle, but it's a gross statement to say Ava doesn't love Avery--especially given the way Sonny manipple-ated her into not seeing that child. 

Honestly, the second Michael made his bogus offer to Nelle she should've just stood up and said "I'll have my lawyer contact Diane," because the Corinthii are just a bunch of bullying assholes.

The Ava/Nelle remarks were annoying but how is Michael bullying her? He offered to pay for medical bills and to give her the apartment rent free. If she had just asked for something small to support herself rigjt away instead of trying to blackmail him he probably would have given it to her right away.

He should have though told Sonny and Carly to leave, or talked with Nelle someplace else.

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

when you're pregnant with one kidney, it's no time to be working like a stevedore.  

But Carly, yes Carly, told Nelle to get a job.  Because if you want something in life, you have to work for it.  Or maybe find someone who would give you a hotel to run after your divorce settlement. 

Just like Michael being given ELQ CEO designation on a silver platter.   I'm sure any 20-something, with minutes of college, would be offered the same thing. 

It's not as if Michael is poor and can't afford *reasonable support.  The Corinthii just don't want Nelle to have anything.

*Nelle not going out and buying Ferraris every day.

[movingtargetgal]

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

The Ava/Nelle remarks were annoying but how is Michael bullying her? He offered to pay for medical bills and to give her the apartment rent free. If she had just asked for something small to support herself rigjt away instead of trying to blackmail him he probably would have given it to her right away.

He should have though told Sonny and Carly to leave, or talked with Nelle someplace else.

I think that is why Nelle became so difficult.  Sonny and Carly joining Michael in confronting Nelle made her up the ante.  If I were Nelle I would record any meetings/confrontations with Sonny or Carly because they have both threatened her.  Michael will treat her fairly and she know it but she also knows what lengths Carly and Sonny will go to get what they want.  It is Carly and Sonny who are the bullies/psycho murderers in this situation.  I am glad she has Ava in her corner for no other reason than it will make Carly and Sonny's heads explode.  

[Asp Burger]

Sam:  "I think they're dating."  

Monica: "Oh, my...Carly's daughter and Drew's son!" 

Sam: "Should keep things interesting!" 

Viewers: No, ladies. We've seen them together. Trust us.  

[honeydo7]

I remember eons ago on the Young & Restless, the character Jill Abbott was excited to learn she was pregnant. But as her pregnancy progressed, she was dismayed to learn her unborn child would be born with multiple, medical conditions. Self-centered Jill didn't want a  severely, disabled child, so while standing on a ladder decorating the family's Christmas tree she somehow "slipped" off the ladder & miscarried.  Maybe the GH writers could concoct a similar story line for Nasty Nelle. 

[TeeVee329]

8 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Sam:  "I think they're dating."  

Monica: "Oh, my...Carly's daughter and Drew's son!" 

Sam: "Should keep things interesting!" 

Oh yes, Sam, it's always "interesting", and goes well for Monica, when anyone in Carly's orbit gets their hooks into Quartermaines. #eyeroll

[fishcakes]

8 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Sam:  "I think they're dating."  

Monica: "Oh, my...Carly's daughter and Drew's son!" 

Sam: "Should keep things interesting!" 

Viewers: No, ladies. We've seen them together. Trust us.  

This was my favorite bit:

Sam: I don't know if it's my place to tell you.

Monica: We're family. You can trust me.

Sam: Drew has a son. His name is Oscar. He's dating Jos...

Monica: NED! OLIVIA! MICHAEL! DREW HAS A SON! HIS NAME IS OSCAR AND HE'S DATING JOSSLYN!

[dubbel zout]

DIdn't Nelle ask Sonny and Carly to be at that meeting with her and Michael in the first place? If she did, she can't turn around and tell them they're being inappropriate. She's known them long enough to know inappropriate is what they do.

I'd have a lot more sympathy for Drew if we'd seen Jakeson try harder to figure out who he is. He once again is handed an identity and accepts it. I know the memory swap complicates things, but he hasn't set much precedence for digging into his past. He's also kind of throwing up his hands about trying to remember anything. Way to make an effort, Drew. 

I hate to say this, but: Shut up, Monica. Stop badgering Sam about Jason. That said, she's had quite a day, learning about Oscar being Drew's son and therefore a Quartermaine, and then Michael drops the Nelle-is-pregnant bomb. Of course all Olivia can talk about is another baby to spoil. Barf.

15 hours ago, statsgirl said:

That line about Ava not caring about Avery really is rage-inducing, especially since the last time Michael saw Ava she was trying to get time with Avery and stumbled into Morgan's memorial. 

That was gross, and Carly sniping that the custody battle for Michael was because she wanted him to have a decent father should have had lightning turn her to ash in an instant.

The Kim/Oscar talk about his fears that Drew might not like him was well done, especially when Oscar said he was afraid he was too different from Drew so Drew wouldn't like him, and Kim asked him to name a family that were carbon copies of one another. That was really nice, I thought.

[Linny]

Day 2 of Monica making me uncomfortable. I know she wants to protect the Quartermaine legacy, but it's premature to bluntly accuse Kim of being a gold digger. That kind of uncouth reaction seems more befitting of Carly, not Monica. I'm glad she apologized, because that didn't sit right with me.

Cassandra's method of sweet talking/seducing Finn and Valentin grosses me out to the point I can't find anything to like about her scenes. But Anna and Finn's dynamic is actually starting to gel for me. I was amused by their banter today, and it looks like the actors are enjoying themselves, too.

Oh, Drew, first day as a parent of a teenager and he's already learned you will never say the right thing to them. He tried, but he really did inadvertently imply he was okay with not being in Oscar's life.

It felt like we were finally starting to get somewhere deep with Jason and Sam's conversation about her trauma searching for him, but then that came to a weird halt as she focused on her wedding ring. I guess I just want them to have a discussion that is more meaningful than Sam repeatedly stating she loves her husband while Jason looks at her mournfully.

[LexieLily]

Now we know why Lulu was all of a sudden said to have Charlotte on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Morning. Kevin and Laura are getting married on Christmas and I'm not a fan of getting married on a holiday but at least this ensures that her granddaughter will be there. I just hope Valentin and Nina don't crash the wedding under the guise of "Lulu having Charlotte over our agreed arrangement time".

[lovelynn]

21 minutes ago, Linny said:

Day 2 of Monica making me uncomfortable. I know she wants to protect the Quartermaine legacy, but it's premature to bluntly accuse Kim of being a gold digger. That kind of uncouth reaction seems more befitting of Carly, not Monica. I'm glad she apologized, because that didn't sit right with me.

Same. This nonsense could have been directed at Nelle. Calling Dr. Nero a gold digger seemed ridiculous.

Does Carly know that Jason has a nephew yet?

[dubbel zout]

I feel like a bunch of the scenes started a bit abruptly, like we were supposed to know what happened a minute or two before but that got cut.

Finn should sue the MetroCourt for moving him out of the hotel for no reason and without his knowledge, but of course the plot demands he doesn't.

Why does the show insist on forcing connections between two people who just found out they're related? Liking pasta; being blonde; drinking by bringing a glass to your lips; having two left feet, etc. Being blonde is the only genetic trait, and even that is easily changed. It's so lazy and stupid. Put in the forking work by showing the characters learn about each other and develop a natural bond that way. Gah.

2 minutes ago, Linny said:

I know [Monica] wants to protect the Quartermaine legacy, but it's premature to bluntly accuse Kim of being a gold digger. That kind of uncouth reaction seems more befitting of Carly, not Monica. I'm glad she apologized, because that didn't sit right with me.

Monica was way out of line. Kim's a doctor, so she's hardly hurting for money. (Unless this another case of a highly/comfortably paid health professional somehow being poor.) Monica's apology wasn't the greatest, but at least she said she was sorry.

Oscar, this is what happens when you go looking for answers to questions you weren't ready to ask. So maybe dial back the attitude just a little bit. Your mom is being pretty cool about the whole thing.

Oh, dear, the idiotic ballot-box story is rearing its ugly head with a two-fold result: The writers get to make a stolen-election story (how timely! not) and give Lulu her Watergate story. I say no to both.

[ulkis]

That last Finn/Anna scene was painful. FH tried her best but the "banter" was so bad and Easton did terribly. 

What's with all the Spin mentions? Also, Sam and Jason, he doesn't need to call and be comforted, he's fine, jeez.

Ugh, so annoyed at Nina being shoved into this.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

What's with all the Spin mentions? Also, Sam and Jason, he doesn't need to call and be comforted, he's fine, jeez.

Well, Spin did ID the wrong butt. That's got to be traumatic for everyone.

[ulkis]

19 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, dear, the idiotic ballot-box story is rearing its ugly head with a two-fold result: The writers get to make a stolen-election story (how timely! not) and give Lulu her Watergate story. I say no to both.

I think it's a neat way to bring it back. I can't say I was minded over them dropping it but I don't mind them bringing it back up.

[rur]

59 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Now we know why Lulu was all of a sudden said to have Charlotte on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Morning. Kevin and Laura are getting married on Christmas and I'm not a fan of getting married on a holiday but at least this ensures that her granddaughter will be there. 

You're a much more positive person than I am. My first thought was that since we all know GH won't be screened on Christmas day that the wedding would happen off-screen and they wouldn't show anything. 

15 minutes ago, ulkis said:

That last Finn/Anna scene was painful. FH tried her best but the "banter" was so bad and Easton did terribly. 

True this. There's just not enough heat between them to convince me of an attraction. But, to be fair, I've never seen any quick, clever banter on this show, and I'm thinking back to the late '70s and early '80s. I don't think it's something soap writers can successfully do. 

[dubbel zout]

I hate the idea of Lulu being an investigative journalist just because she wants to, and so of course in typical soap fashion she stumbles onto a giant story and blows the lid off this thing.

[tveyeonyou]

15 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I think it's a neat way to bring it back. I can't say I was minded over them dropping it but I don't mind them bringing it back up.

So is this ballot thing going to be the vehicle to bring Nickolas back from being "dead"? Not spoiled, just trying to think like the writers, which I don't suggest doing, it gives you a headache.

[YaddaYadda]

Kim jumped to the weirdest conclusion ever, I find. Drew grew up in an orphanage (somewhere in Upstate, I'm assuming), joined the Navy right after High School, was proud of the work he did, went AWOL, so the logical conclusion is that he might have ended up in Port Charles? That's such a leap, especially if he never expressed that he wanted to find his family.

Monica jumping all over Kim and golddigging was not okay, though I could understand her being a bit on the defensive given her experiences with Carly and now Michael's dealings with Nelle. But she wasn't stupid, she realized something was amiss Kim's story and she called her on it, maybe not the proper way to do it, but still.

I enjoyed Finn/Anna. 

The Drew/Oscar scenes were as awkward as they possibly could get. Sam and Jason was good. 

Yes, Lulu, Nikolas tempered with the election. I'm surprised the writers are circling back to that. Is Nikolas on his way back, or something? 

I don't care for Christmas/NY/V-day weddings. They're for people who are scared of not remembering when they got married. 

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, rur said:

You're a much more positive person than I am. My first thought was that since we all know GH won't be screened on Christmas day that the wedding would happen off-screen and they wouldn't show anything. 

Oh, I am positive in that I am happy Charlotte will be there, but I am also positive that if their wedding wasn't on Christmas and wasn't during a time that Lulu had Charlotte, Valentin/Nina would have been difficult with Lulu in allowing Charlotte to attend her grandmother's wedding. So I am choosing to see the good side.

[Cheyanne11]

Just now, LexieLily said:

Oh, I am positive in that I am happy Charlotte will be there, but I am also positive that if their wedding wasn't on Christmas and wasn't during a time that Lulu had Charlotte, Valentin/Nina would have been difficult with Lulu in allowing Charlotte to attend her grandmother's wedding. So I am choosing to see the good side.

In the past few months, they haven't been "difficult" at all, so not sure why that's always the immediate assumption.  As I recall, Lulu was also stating, as fact, that she would get all the holidays.  Maybe someone off screen just decided it was a tedious plot point that no one needed to see as it was going no where.

[dubbel zout]

6 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't care for Christmas/NY/V-day weddings. They're for people who are scared of not remembering when they got married. 

They're also for cost-conscious executive producers who don't want to shell out for set decorations when they don't have to. Everything is already festive for the holiday. Also, more cast members might be around anyway, so they don't have to pay extra.

[LexieLily]

Valentin bribed the only witness to Nikolas' murder into recanting her statement and used that to bully Lulu into accepting shared custody, making the not-so-veiled threat that he would fight nasty and see to it that Lulu lost, again, and more than likely wouldn't see Charlotte again, if she took him back to court for full custody. I consider that "being difficult".
 

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No, I think it's just a way to give Lulu her article and resolve that dropped plot.

(And possibly have Lulu realize just how haywire Nikolas went, and cutting Valentin some slack.)

 

For murdering her brother and keeping her child from her for eight years? I think not, no matter how off the rails Nikolas went.

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[ulkis]

28 minutes ago, rur said:

You're a much more positive person than I am. My first thought was that since we all know GH won't be screened on Christmas day that the wedding would happen off-screen and they wouldn't show anything. 

True this. There's just not enough heat between them to convince me of an attraction. But, to be fair, I've never seen any quick, clever banter on this show, and I'm thinking back to the late '70s and early '80s. I don't think it's something soap writers can successfully do. 

I think Robert and Luke did it successfully, with each other and others.

Luke and Stefan had tons of great exchanges but I guess that wouldn't be "quick" banter necessarily.

[ulkis]

29 minutes ago, tveyeonyou said:

So is this ballot thing going to be the vehicle to bring Nickolas back from being "dead"? Not spoiled, just trying to think like the writers, which I don't suggest doing, it gives you a headache.

No, I think it's just a way to give Lulu her article and resolve that dropped plot.

(And possibly have Lulu realize just how haywire Nikolas went, and cutting Valentin some slack.)

32 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Kim jumped to the weirdest conclusion ever, I find. Drew grew up in an orphanage (somewhere in Upstate, I'm assuming), joined the Navy right after High School, was proud of the work he did, went AWOL, so the logical conclusion is that he might have ended up in Port Charles? That's such a leap, especially if he never expressed that he wanted to find his family.

She said the DNA test she did on Oscar indicated he had family in Port Charles.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

She said the DNA test she did on Oscar indicated he had family in Port Charles.

To expand on that a bit, the original DNA test was through a genealogy service, which is how Port Charles was looped in.

Do we know whose DNA was matched? Or is that part being ignored/handwaved?