S06.E09: Run Away

[GreatKazu]

I'm maybe wrong about this, but I'm under the assumption that to determine child support, a court would look at tax statements to determine parents earnings and then decide how much the non custodial parent would need to provide. I thought that CS was mostly about being able to provide equal lifestyles at both homes (in addition to obviously providing the necessities for a child)...honestly wondering, if that happened and the courts looked at their records, wouldn't Jo make WAY less than Kail? I'm not sure if I phrased that right, hope it makes sense.

It is based on a calculated formula based on each state's guidelines. The amount of time each child is with each parent is figured into the calculation.  The judge then looks at the amount that has been calculated. The attorneys then present each person's Income and Expense Declaration with attached proof such as what you mentioned, tax documents, pay stubs, and proof of expenses. Other factors such as who pays for health and dental insurance is considered. Since Kail is the primary custodial parent, Jo is the one who will pay child support to her. How much he pays is determined on the above-referenced information.

 

What Jo wants to do is, not involve the courts and just sit with Kail and come to an agreement. It would be no different than going to the court, except it would be more time and money involved because attorneys have to be paid. Jo knows that over time things will change and Isaac's needs will be more. I think Jo wants to do what Cory wanted to do with Leah. Offer her a fair amount of money per month ON TOP of what he is required to pay so that it covers the needs of Isaac. Jo wants to hear what it is that Isaac needs and he can handle it himself to ensure that Isaac's needs are being met.

Edited September 5, 2015 by GreatKazu

[Peachyqueen]

Nvm

Edited September 6, 2015 by Peachyqueen

[GreatKazu]

I see...so I want to know, is Jo (lol...autocorrect to OJ and no) being cool about dealing with it out of court or is he trying to prevent the courts from making him pay more? Or none of the above perhaps...?

I did edit my post to add my thoughts. I can understand not wanting to run to the courts each time something comes up because that is costly. As we saw, Jo can have a conversation with Kail without any drama on her part. She started to get excited and angry, but he calmed her down and let her know that he agrees with her, he just wants to be able to sit with the mother of his son and deal with this matter one on one like adults. As Jo stated, no one can know what a court will order. It might not be beneficial to Kail. Once a judge makes an order, it is done. At least if these two come together to make an agreement, they can make changes to that agreement as the years go by without having to pay an attorney and going to court each time.

Edited September 6, 2015 by GreatKazu

[BravoAddict72]

I just see Kali as the type of vengeful ex who runs to the court every year to try to get child support raised, esp. after Jo and Vee's daughter is born.She just comes off that way to me, but I may be wrong. My husband had an ex like that and I am so glad child support is finally over. I'm not saying Jo shouldn't pay, just that Kali is in a position to take care of her family which a lot of teen moms don't have.

[lezlers]

Engagement and marriage is not a promise for a future. You didn't move in together until your wedding, I've been in a very happy non married relationship for 26 years and he moved in with me and my kids about ten days after we met.

Everybody is different and even if she did get married, marriage isn't the promise of commitment that you seem to think it is. Have you see the US divorce rate?

TOTALLY disagree.  An engagement is, by definition, a promise to marry.  Most people consider marriage "a future."  Just because you didn't do it the conventional way doesn't mean the conventional way isn't legitimate.  An engagement and  marriage is most definitely a promise for a future.  The mere fact that promises can be broken doesn't mean that they cease to exist. 

 

Now if you were to say an engagement and marriage isn't a guarantee of an everlasting future together, that would be another story.  Of course, there aren't any guarantees in life anyway, so by that logic there's no such thing as a promise in any circumstance. 

Edited September 6, 2015 by lezlers

[lilmarysunshine]

Remember, this is Jenelle speaking. This is the girl who said she was going to have an abortion because it wasn't fair to Jace to bring another child into her life without acquiring custody of him first. Then, two hours after having her abortion, she is out boinking Nipples and telling everyone how happy she is to be pregnant. Jenelle's words mean nothing to me. 

Will someone refresh my memory? I have vague recollections of Jenelle and incomprehensible insensitivity regarding her abortion. Was it she was afraid that she was pregnant again or it was remnants of her aborted baby still in her uterus? 

 

Just a vile human being.

[lilmarysunshine]

Call me an old fuddy duddy but I think the appropriate time for Aubree to begin referring to Cole as Dad, would be after his marriage to Chelsea, which would also be the appropriate time to move in together. I'm not such a stickler for convention before you have a child but once you have one and your relationship with their bio-dad ends, you have an obligation to look out for their emotional well-being when it comes to your future romances. If Chelsea was single and wanted to role the dice on moving in with her boyfriend go for it. But as a mom, she shouldn't be writing checks she can't cash. When it's by no means certain you'll even marry this guy, let alone that that marriage will last through your daughter's childhood ya don't have someone move in and let your girl start calling him daddy. Too cruel and a mistake most of these girls seem way to quick to make.  

I'm gonna sit beside you on the fuddy duddy couch. I agree 100%.

 

Why does Aubree know Adam's been in jail? Honestly, I think she's young to even get the concept. What does jail mean to a 5 year old? I'm sure she probably knows he broke a rule and was locked up. That's a difficult concept for a kid who is so young. And often these kids think it is a reflection on them, too. If their dad is such a fuck up, are they, too?

 

I like Chelsea but she needs to STFU when she's talking about grown-up issues with Aubree across the table. She's paying attention to both the phone and the conversation, Chelsea. Guarantee you, too, that she knows A-D-A-M is her dad.

Edited September 6, 2015 by lilmarysunshine

[Mkay]

I would be humiliated if Kail was my parent, spouse or friend in that situation (or any situation, really). But what's Javi going to do? We've seen her flip out when he criticizes or disagrees with her in private, can you imagine what would happen if he said to her in front of Jo, Vee and all the other parents something like, "bae, relax. They're playing 5 year old soccer. Big Papi's got this." She would turn green and double in size.

But according to his tweets, his parents yelled at him exactly like that and it made him focus and play harder. UGH 

[Mkay]

I'm gonna sit beside you on the fuddy duddy couch. I agree 100%.

 

Why does Aubree know Adam's been in jail? Honestly, I think she's young to even get the concept. What does jail mean to a 5 year old? I'm sure she probably knows he broke a rule and was locked up. That's a difficult concept for a kid who is so young. And often these kids think it is a reflection on them, too. If their dad is such a fuck up, are they, too?

 

I like Chelsea but she needs to STFU when she's talking about grown-up issues with Aubree across the table. She's paying attention to both the phone and the conversation, Chelsea. Guarantee you, too, that she knows A-D-A-M is her dad.

It is very possible that Adam has discussed these things  in front of Aubree. Not just Chelsea.  Remember how he dogged Chelsea as they went to get ice cream with his funky new friend?  Did he mentioned jail or being arrested then? We all talked about how he shouldn't do that.  Then he asks Aubree all of those questions about wanting to live with him.  I'm sure Adam and his parents discuss things in front of Aubree about Chelsea.  We just don't always see that side. 

Edited September 6, 2015 by Mkay

[SPLAIN]

It is very possible that Adam has discussed these things  in front of Aubree. Not just Chelsea.  Remember how he dogged Chelsea as they went to get ice cream with his funky new friend?  Did he mentioned jail or being arrested then? We all talked about how he shouldn't do that.  Then he asks Aubree all of those questions about wanting to live with him.  I'm sure Adam and his parents discuss things in front of Aubree about Chelsea.  We just don't always see that side. 

More like, some people choose not to remember Aubree has a father. All this chatter about Aubree has a dad, Cole is not her dad, and yet, Adam is forgotten. It comes off as if only Chelsea talks shit in front of Aubree.

 

Fully agree with your post. Aubree is exposed to other adults in her life. Aubree will see the footage of her dad calling Chelsea the "fat, stretch-marked bitch". Then, there is that lovely remark he made about Aubree being a mistake. There were more ugly remarks made by him in the presence of his daughter. Those are just the ones that stick out in my memory. Who knows what other awful things he has said in front of Aubree. He talks all kinds of shit to his friend with Aubree right there.

Edited September 6, 2015 by SPLAIN

[leighroda]

I have been trying to stay neutral over Chelsea talking about Adam... Partly because I just don't feel like it's my place to judge, but also because it has been widely discussed that mtv orchestrates a good chunk of these conversations, so if Chelsea meets up with a friend when Aubree is present and they tell her to talk about Adam, so she does. I am not saying that makes it ok, she's the mother, she could put her foot down and say she will not discuss Adam in front of aubree... But that's just my theory.

I do feel for aubree though, when I was little my parents got divorced, around 2nd grade so I was old enough to understand what was being discussed. My mom was not really I guess aware I was listening so I was privy to many adult conversations that I never should have. About 2 years my parents got back together but I remember being a little confused about the situation, because I had heard all of these horrible things about my dad...but yet when they got back together I didn't understand my dad had made some positive changes so it left me unsure of if I could trust him. I highly doubt Chelsea and Adam will ever get together, but maybe at some point Adam will grow up, and step up as a father... I just think it would be unfortunate if aubrees trust was damaged any more than it already is by himself. Just to be clear...I don't honestly hold a lot of hope Adam will change, I'm just giving the benefit of a doubt that he could.

[Mkay]

More like, some people choose not to remember Aubree has a father. All this chatter about Aubree has a dad, Cole is not her dad, and yet, Adam is forgotten. It comes off as if only Chelsea talks shit in front of Aubree.

 

Fully agree with your post. Aubree is exposed to other adults in her life. Aubree will see the footage of her dad calling Chelsea the "fat, stretch-marked bitch". Then, there is that lovely remark he made about Aubree being a mistake. There were more ugly remarks made by him in the presence of his daughter. Those are just the ones that stick out in my memory. Who knows what other awful things he has said in front of Aubree. He talks all kinds of shit to his friend with Aubree right there.

Exactly!!!

[Mkay]

Vee tweeted this on Sept 3rd.  The day this episode aired.  So true!  Esp when it comes to money hungry Kail.

 

VetzabeJ. ‏@veebutterflyyy  Sep 3
"Some people are so poor all they have is money"

Edited September 6, 2015 by Mkay

[truelovekiss]

But according to his tweets, his parents yelled at him exactly like that and it made him focus and play harder. UGH

Well that's true. That explains why Javi thinks that yelling is an appropriate form of communication. I guess the moral of the story is if you berate your five year old enough, eventually he'll turn out just like Javi.

Vee tweeted this on Sept 3rd. The day this episode aired. So true! Esp when it comes to money hungry Kail.

VetzabeJ. ‏@veebutterflyyy Sep 3

"Some people are so poor all they have is money"

That's a really good quote, and a fantastic analysis of Kailyn.

[lilmarysunshine]

More like, some people choose not to remember Aubree has a father. All this chatter about Aubree has a dad, Cole is not her dad, and yet, Adam is forgotten. It comes off as if only Chelsea talks shit in front of Aubree.

 

Fully agree with your post. Aubree is exposed to other adults in her life. Aubree will see the footage of her dad calling Chelsea the "fat, stretch-marked bitch". Then, there is that lovely remark he made about Aubree being a mistake. There were more ugly remarks made by him in the presence of his daughter. Those are just the ones that stick out in my memory. Who knows what other awful things he has said in front of Aubree. He talks all kinds of shit to his friend with Aubree right there.

No, it doesn't come off like that. I've yet to meet or a see a single person defend Adam's parenting. lol  There aren't very many Adam apologists in the world. But the truth is that the cameras don't lie and there is no question of whether Chelsea talks shit or not because we see it.  Adam very well might mention his stints in jail and talk crap about Chelsea but that doesn't negate the fact that Chelsea meets up with her friends and starts in on Aubree's dad in front of Aubree. Aubree's probably 2 feet in front of her and she thinks calling him A-D-A-M as if she's 2 is fooling her. A few weeks ago when she was talking crap about him, people said it was wonky editing and they didn't think Aubree was right there with her. Well, she was this time.

 

I think Adam is a total douchebag and I wouldn't blame Chelsea for talking shit about him whenever and wherever so long as Aubree's not around it. I think Chelsea would be insulted to have her parenting compared to Adam's. lol   He does it so it isn't so bad?  I expect more from her because I think she's generally a pretty good mom and is doing a good job raising Aubree. But that's a major mistake, imo, when you parent. (As is bringing in a boyfriend and having her refer to him as "Dad.")

Edited September 6, 2015 by lilmarysunshine

[Maharincess]

Well what exactly are you thinking Vhelsea is going to do? Off herself? Turn to drugs? Neglect her child? She might be bummed about it but I doubt it will send her life into a tailspin.

Yeah, I'm not getting the point of this either. So Chelsea will be upset if they break up....and? I don't understand what that means. Should she never have a relationship again because she will be upset if it ends? I just fail to see how Chelsea having a boyfriend means she isn't putting her daughter first.

Out of every one of these shows, Chelsea is the ONLY one who is doing her relationship the correct way in regards to her daughter.

In my opinion.

I must say that it infuriates me that in 2015 some people still say that people who are in a loving, secure, stable, committed but unmarried relationship are just "playing house". I will put my happy 26 year relationship against any marriage any day.

We have just gotten stronger while every marriage around us has ended in divorce.

I respect that a lot of people believe in marriage, I just wish that respect was returned.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Maharincess

[leighroda]

Vee tweeted this on Sept 3rd. The day this episode aired. So true! Esp when it comes to money hungry Kail.

VetzabeJ. ‏@veebutterflyyy Sep 3

"Some people are so poor all they have is money"

I must say, I did not want to like Vee in the beginning...it had nothing to do with kailyn jealousy or whatever... But really because they met at the rap video, and I thought that was incredibly shady, but Vee has proven to have a good head on her shoulders, I actually like her. I could be conveniently forgetting a situation that she reacted crazy, but I think for the most part she has come into this situation in the best way possible, like in the beginning when she wrote Kail that letter and wanted to clear the air, but of course Kail was a hoesbeast and wouldn't have anything to do with it.

[MrsPatrickBateman]

Obviously Chelsea is leaps and bounds ahead of the other girls on the show. Sadly it's not saying much when it comes to that crew. However I fully believe Chelsea deserves credit for how far she's come. She's done things in her own time but she has accomplished things and Aubree has always been well cared for and loved. Chelsea is a great mom and props to her. However she is on a tv show where people get a glimpse of their lives and make judgments, not just her, all of them. As great as Chelsea is, she isn't perfect and it's ok for people to notice it and voice their opinion about it. To some people 10 months of dating and then moving in and having their child call that person dad without a promise of a future isn't a well thought out decision and that's their opinion. Most everything on this site is people's opinions about what's happening on the show. Chelsea herself puts importance on marriage so obviously for her it is a factor so people weigh in on it. At the end of the day do you think Chelsea really cares? I'm sure she's perfectly happy and doesn't care what randoms have to say about her on the internet. So why can't people just have an opinion on the matter without it being argued or told they're wrong for how they feel? I find it interesting to see other sides and get others opinions.

[mywinston]

"You're trying to pin Kaiser on me!" How does someone "pin" your own baby on you? These two assholes drove erratically all over God's green earth just to avoid taking care of their baby for one night. That scene spoke volumes about how little they give a shit about that kid. He wasn't a magical charm that kept them together so I guess he isn't as important as the gym or sitting in a car crying into your phone. Really sad.

 

Regarding Chelsea talking about Adam in front of Aubree, obviously she shouldn't do it, but obviously MTV is setting up these segments in advance. "Okay, go here and talk about Aubree's graduation and then Adam and then Cole. We need soundbites." And Aubree probably wants to go with her Mom, and she seems pretty close with Chelsea's two friends. She can't just get a babysitter every time. BUT what I do think is funny is when she tries to spell Adam's name. For one, not like Aubree won't be able to guess who A-d-a-m is based on context and the fact that Chelsea's been doing this for years And two, Adam is like, the most phonetically spelled names of all time. It's like trying to hide that you're talking about someone named Dee by spelling D-e-e. All the letters are just the sounds the letters make. Adam and A-d-a-m are nearly identical, it's the most useless thing ever. I actually laugh.

[Shelby]

I don't foresee Chelsea and Cole EVER breaking up. She had such a hard time getting over Adam and he treated her like shit. She's lucky that she's fallen now for Cole, who seems like a pretty decent guy. Yeah. I don't think they're breaking up.

Cole does seem like a decent, if dim, guy. His personality (and helium voice) match Chelsea's and I do hope they stay together.

I agree in that I don't ever see Chelsea breaking up with Cole, but I wouldn't place my bets on a 20-something guy staying with his first girlfriend, her daughter, and her pig FOREVER. However, if someone was going to stay with Chelsea & Co. forever, Cole appears to be malleable enough to do so.

In my opinion (and this Chelsea Love Forum is the only place on PTV I've felt the need to write that), Chelsea would be better off with a father figure boyfriend (Randy's personality type) than someone like herself.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Shelby

[lilmarysunshine]

"You're trying to pin Kaiser on me!" How does someone "pin" your own baby on you? These two assholes drove erratically all over God's green earth just to avoid taking care of their baby for one night. That scene spoke volumes about how little they give a shit about that kid. He wasn't a magical charm that kept them together so I guess he isn't as important as the gym or sitting in a car crying into your phone. Really sad.

 

Regarding Chelsea talking about Adam in front of Aubree, obviously she shouldn't do it, but obviously MTV is setting up these segments in advance. "Okay, go here and talk about Aubree's graduation and then Adam and then Cole. We need soundbites." And Aubree probably wants to go with her Mom, and she seems pretty close with Chelsea's two friends. She can't just get a babysitter every time. BUT what I do think is funny is when she tries to spell Adam's name. For one, not like Aubree won't be able to guess who A-d-a-m is based on context and the fact that Chelsea's been doing this for years And two, Adam is like, the most phonetically spelled names of all time. It's like trying to hide that you're talking about someone named Dee by spelling D-e-e. All the letters are just the sounds the letters make. Adam and A-d-a-m are nearly identical, it's the most useless thing ever. I actually laugh.

She can't tell MTV "Hey, I don't want to badmouth Adam in front of Aubree?"  If the answer is "no," that's reason #14 for me to never do a reality show, especially with my kids. I don't care a whit about fame and money is not that important to me to sacrifice my children. 

[Darknight]

I can kind of give Chelsea a pass. My son is an only child and is always with my husband and myself. I am sure there are plenty of people who think we have too many adult conversations in front of him but we don't think so. So as far as I am concerned I don't think she is doing much harm. I think most parents know their children and know what they can handle (not you Jenelle or Leah). Plus, in my opinion, I don't have a problem with her calling Cole dad. My husband is an identical twin and my son always called his uncle daddy since they look so much alike. We just let it go and he grew out of it. It made it more comfortable for him as a baby.

Who was that random baby Adam's friend was holding at the graduation?

Kali, how much money do you make from the show? And it doesn't cover Issac's expenses? What the heck?? I realize Jo has a responsibility to his child and he does pay child support. But why do you think it should keep getting raised? Come on already. If you were just making minimum wage and really struggling I could see an increase. But you make 6 figures from the show, plus speaking engagements and your book. I am sure you can live just fine on what you have. You have reached a new low in my opinion.

You know Kali just wants to be in control. I wish she paid Jo child support. I bet she would bitch about that.

[Darknight]

Um, no. Not always. Isaac said "daddy" to Javi in the 2014 season finale episode more than once. Kail and Javi also gave a video interview where they said he says it quite frequently to Javi for which Kail doesn't apologize. Jo also supported Kail in that he says Isaac gets confused and he won't get upset at his son for calling Javi his dad.

So what? Chelsea is at fault because she has a great father and mother while Kail ended up with Suzy? Kail has plenty of support. That is, until she spits on those people.

Now if Issac called vee mom.

[politichick]

Didn't Cole and Chelsea say that he would move in when his lease expires in 5 months? Do that would be 15 months of serious dating. I wouldn't be surprised if he proposes by then.

Hopefully With Jo around Issac won't be pushed into sports. As his father said, he is clearly going to be a scholar, not an athlete.

I bet Aubree knows her dads name when she hears it spelled! Lol

[MrsPatrickBateman]

Didn't Cole and Chelsea say that he would move in when his lease expires in 5 months? Do that would be 15 months of serious dating. I wouldn't be surprised if he proposes by then.

Hopefully With Jo around Issac won't be pushed into sports. As his father said, he is clearly going to be a scholar, not an athlete.

I bet Aubree knows her dads name when she hears it spelled! Lol

Chelsea told her friend that Cole's roommate was moving out so they were both going to break their leases. So Cole would be able to move in sooner.

[lezlers]

I just see Kali as the type of vengeful ex who runs to the court every year to try to get child support raised, esp. after Jo and Vee's daughter is born.She just comes off that way to me, but I may be wrong. My husband had an ex like that and I am so glad child support is finally over. I'm not saying Jo shouldn't pay, just that Kali is in a position to take care of her family which a lot of teen moms don't have.

 

I agree with you.  Jo specifically said that he needs to be able to stay afloat so he is obviously concerned that Kail is going to ask for more child support than he can comfortably pay, especially with another baby on the way.  I didn't interpret that convo as Jo wanting to make sure Issac's being taken care of to the point of paying more than a judge would order every month.  I like Jo and think he's a good dad, but come on.  That's a VERY generous way of looking at it.  Also, Kail clearly was talking about reviewing the child support as wanting more.  Considering she clearly isn't in need of money and Jo obviously makes a lot less than her, I thought it was a pretty shitty and petty thing to do.

[radishcake]

Please get back to talking about the show instead of attacking each other's posts and opinions. Any further arguments and we will issue some time outs.  

[truelovekiss]

You know Kali just wants to be in control. I wish she paid Jo child support. I bet she would bitch about that.

She might have to someday, if Isaac moves in with Jo as a teenager. I could see that happening.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I don't think 10 months is a particularly short amount of time to date before moving in. It seems about right. 

And with variables like a child and the occasional but regular presence of tv cameras and film crews, I think living together is an acceptable idea. Not ideal or perfect, but acceptable.  

 

Aubree's reasons for calling Cole dad made me weepy. A close family member of mine died and her children began calling their step mother "mom." It hurts your heart, but they do what they need to.

 

Jenelle is a hot mess. Running away from her child. Literally running away from responsibility. So awfully sad.

 

I just realized that Leah's mom is younger than me. Dawn, Dawn, Dawn. Not overly bright and why be a bitch to your daughter's ex? He has every damn right to know where you are taking his kids. What the hell is the matter with you?  And then to call Leah and freak her out about the situation? That was a bitch move. She definitely doesn't have leah's best interests at heart.  Just another dummy who never grew up and loves the drama.  That's just sad. Did Leah ever have a chance?

[guilfoyleatpp]

Oh and I had to laugh at Kail - my 4 year old started playing soccer recently (like his first practice was two weeks ago) and I was standing on the sidelines saying "GuilfoyleJR! GUILFOYLEJR! KICK THE BALL!" and he stopped what he was doing and said "mama, why are you saying 'guilfoylejr?' what?"

 

OK. I get it. Not going to be Kailyn. 

 

But I didn't like the look she gave Jo when he showed up and I hate that tattoo on her leg. Here's an idea, if your expenses are so enormous, stop getting so many tattoos. 

[Empress1]

And then to call Leah and freak her out about the situation? That was a bitch move. She definitely doesn't have leah's best interests at heart.  Just another dummy who never grew up and loves the drama.  That's just sad. Did Leah ever have a chance?

I wonder if Dawn was maybe not so popular growing up and likes that Leah was, and so tries to relate to Leah more as a friend. (The fact that she was a teen mom may have something to do with that too, feeling like they "grew up together.") That was an "Omigooooood, you won't believe what he did" call, like one 17-year-old would make to another. There is a way to have an adult version of that phone call, between a grandmother and a mother. What Dawn did wasn't that.

I agree with you.  Jo specifically said that he needs to be able to stay afloat so he is obviously concerned that Kail is going to ask for more child support than he can comfortably pay, especially with another baby on the way.  I didn't interpret that convo as Jo wanting to make sure Issac's being taken care of to the point of paying more than a judge would order every month.  I like Jo and think he's a good dad, but come on.  That's a VERY generous way of looking at it.  Also, Kail clearly was talking about reviewing the child support as wanting more.  Considering she clearly isn't in need of money and Jo obviously makes a lot less than her, I thought it was a pretty shitty and petty thing to do.

I agree with this. I liked that Jo was asking Kailyn to talk specific numbers because I wouldn't put it past Kailyn to be like "I need five grand a month" and not be any more specific about it - and I think, just based on Jo's response to Kailyn, that Jo has the same suspicion. And I also think, based on Kailyn hedging on talking numbers (and her tendency to grift and outright steal from people), that she WOULD just throw out an arbitrary high number that Jo's not supposed to dispute. If they talk numbers, like "Tuition is $X, karate is $Y, clothes are $Z, you make $A, I make $B" then they can work out a budget based on cold hard facts that they can both work with.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Empress1

[SPLAIN]

Now if Issac called vee mom.

Kail did mention that she wouldn't be happy. I think I saw her head swelling up as she said it.

 

 

I wouldn't place my bets on a 20-something guy staying with his first girlfriend, her daughter,

Javi did. I post that because it seems like Kail was his first "love" if you know what I mean.

 

By the way, when did Cole say Chelsea was his first girlfriend? I read this at least three times.

Edited September 6, 2015 by SPLAIN

[lilmarysunshine]

We'll see how long Javi stays with Kail and Isaac.

 

That said, my first impressions of Cole are way better than my opinion of Javi. Cole seems to shy away from the spotlight a little whereas Javi is way too Big Papi on Twitter and loving all of the attention. Plus, the fact that Javi fell for Kail makes me give him the side-eye anyway. 

 

 

 

 

[truelovekiss]

Javi did. I post that because it seems like Kail was his first "love" if you know what I mean.

By the way, when did Cole say Chelsea was his first girlfriend? I read this at least three times.

I remember reading that here too, but I don't know where that came from. Same thing with Javi. I do remember Jordan saying Kailyn was his first girlfriend.

[BitterApple]

By the way, when did Cole say Chelsea was his first girlfriend? I read this at least three times.

Chelsea mentioned it several times in conversations with Randylicious and friends. I can't recall the specific episode, but it stood out to me because I thought it was a little weird that a guy his age had never had a steady girlfriend before.

I do take his reluctance to appear on camera as a positive sign though. He isn't a famewhore trying to use Chelsea for his fifteen minutes, which is rare for a Teen Mom boyfriend.

Edited September 6, 2015 by BitterApple

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

Chelsea has mentioned her being cole's first GF also in several intterviews. Fast learning curve for him. :)

[poopchute]

I wonder if Dawn was maybe not so popular growing up and likes that Leah was, and so tries to relate to Leah more as a friend. (The fact that she was a teen mom may have something to do with that too, feeling like they "grew up together.") That was an "Omigooooood, you won't believe what he did" call, like one 17-year-old would make to another. There is a way to have an adult version of that phone call, between a grandmother and a mother. What Dawn did wasn't that.

I agree with this. I liked that Jo was asking Kailyn to talk specific numbers because I wouldn't put it past Kailyn to be like "I need five grand a month" and not be any more specific about it - and I think, just based on Jo's response to Kailyn, that Jo has the same suspicion. And I also think, based on Kailyn hedging on talking numbers (and her tendency to grift and outright steal from people), that she WOULD just throw out an arbitrary high number that Jo's not supposed to dispute. If they talk numbers, like "Tuition is $X, karate is $Y, clothes are $Z, you make $A, I make $B" then they can work out a budget based on cold hard facts that they can both work with.

Question: when one parent has primary custody and they other pays support, is the child support paying parent ever able to say "I'm sorry but I just can't afford these activities"? Like a married couple might say "hmm okay we can afford private school" or "we can't afford karate and soccer and piano lessons and hockey so we have to pick just one" but is Kail able to basically enroll Isaac in any school and sign him up for whatever activity he wants and then Jo just has to pay for half of it, or whatever percentage it is? That seems a little unfair if that's how it goes. I guess the same goes for anything related to the child, like maybe Jo would decide to buy isaacs clothes at target but Kail decides to get them at j crew for kids and then Jo just has to pay for whatever Kail decides? I don't know how it works so maybe this is a dumb question.

[Lemons]

I wonder if Dawn was maybe not so popular growing up and likes that Leah was, and so tries to relate to Leah more as a friend. (The fact that she was a teen mom may have something to do with that too, feeling like they "grew up together.") That was an "Omigooooood, you won't believe what he did" call, like one 17-year-old would make to another.

 

Let's hope this doesn't become Chelsea and Aubrey.  Chelsea is already asking Aubrey about her "boyfriends" at preschool.  And omigooood, she's soooo cute!

[woodscommaelle]

 

Also, WTF with "I told you I'd let you know if I can watch our kid or not?" Where they do that at?

Omg I heart you!!! "Where they do that at???"

I've never heard that phrase until my current job.

[GreatKazu]

Question: when one parent has primary custody and they other pays support, is the child support paying parent ever able to say "I'm sorry but I just can't afford these activities"? Like a married couple might say "hmm okay we can afford private school" or "we can't afford karate and soccer and piano lessons and hockey so we have to pick just one" but is Kail able to basically enroll Isaac in any school and sign him up for whatever activity he wants and then Jo just has to pay for half of it, or whatever percentage it is? That seems a little unfair if that's how it goes. I guess the same goes for anything related to the child, like maybe Jo would decide to buy isaacs clothes at target but Kail decides to get them at j crew for kids and then Jo just has to pay for whatever Kail decides? I don't know how it works so maybe this is a dumb question.

Generally, when it comes to basic expenses such as clothes, food, the necessities, an amount is figured out from the information given to each attorney, an amount is calculated, and the judge determines the final outcome based on that calculation. 

 

Let's go with the $600 figure that Jo supposedly pays. Supposedly, since we don't know for sure as that figure didn't come from actual court records. Jo pays $600 a month towards Isaac's basic necessities. If Kail decides to buy clothes at an expensive store, that is on her to work with the budget. If she spends the entire $600 on clothes, then she is basically stuck to pay the rest of Isaac's expenses. Child support can be used for anything that falls under the needs of the child, not necessarily directly for the child. For example, a parent can use that money to pay the rent or utilities. Those things are necessary for a child to have for day to day living.  We are not naive. We know that some parents use the money for other things that have nothing to do for the child such as Leah possibly using child support for her addiction.

 

I have seen cases where one parent wanted to enroll their child in private school, but the other parent couldn't afford it. The judge told the custodial parent that they just had to work with their own budget. If they can't afford to pay the tuition, then they needed to find another lesser expensive school or send their child to public school. I can't say for sure what the case is with Kail because there isn't enough information to go on. I am skeptical about why she is bringing up child support now. I understand that the needs of a child change as they grow older. I just find this situation to be similar to what Leah pulled on Cory.

 

I have a question about the private school. Is Isaac really in private school? Where is this info? If he is in private school, is it because he has not been vaccinated? Are private schools exempt from having to enforce that students be vaccinated? 

[GreatKazu]

 

Chelsea has mentioned her being cole's first GF also in several intterviews

I read an article where Chelsea was quoted and she said she was his first "real girlfriend". Now, the way I read into it, that means he has had girlfriends, they just were not serious relationships. It reminds me of my husband who told me I was his first real relationship in ten years. That didn't mean he wasn't getting busy and playing the field. He was just enjoying being single since a break-up with his fiancee.

Edited September 6, 2015 by GreatKazu

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

I have a question about the private school. Is Isaac really in private school? Where is this info? If he is in private school, is it because he has not been vaccinated? Are private schools exempt from having to enforce that students be vaccinated?

In the preview clip kail says jo's support doesnt even put a dent in isaac's school tuition.

[GreatKazu]

In the preview clip kail says jo's support doesnt even put a dent in isaac's school tuition.

Thank you, Maddy. 

[Rebecca]

what I do think is funny is when she tries to spell Adam's name. For one, not like Aubree won't be able to guess who A-d-a-m is based on context and the fact that Chelsea's been doing this for years And two, Adam is like, the most phonetically spelled names of all time. It's like trying to hide that you're talking about someone named Dee by spelling D-e-e. All the letters are just the sounds the letters make. Adam and A-d-a-m are nearly identical, it's the most useless thing ever. I actually laugh.

This!!!! I literally laughed that she thought this was effective in concealing who she was talking about. She should really have come up with a code word or name for Adam by now, but that probably wouldn't work for long anyway. I completely agree with whoever said that Aubree is the most intelligent person in Chelsea's home! Chelsea is just not bright (for this and a whole bunch of other things we have seen).

Edited September 6, 2015 by Rebecca

[ghoulina]

Didn't Cole and Chelsea say that he would move in when his lease expires in 5 months? Do that would be 15 months of serious dating. I wouldn't be surprised if he proposes by then.

 

Yea, and I don't think that's unreasonable at all. I really do not see Chelsea as rushing things with Cole. He isn't a huge fan of the cameras and they started dating when they weren't filming, so we haven't seen everything. But I really don't believe she immediately introduced him to Aubree and tried to make him daddy 2.0. If they were being rash and immature about it, Cole would just break his lease and move right in.

 

In the preview clip kail says jo's support doesnt even put a dent in isaac's school tuition.

 

I would be curious to know whose decision it was to send Isaac to private school. If it was solely Kail's, I don't really think Jo should be forced to pay for that. Is private school really a necessity? Are the schools not well there?

[configdotsys]

 

I feel for Vee, too.  Yes, she made the decision to move, yes she made the decision to get pregnant when she knew they were moving but it still has to suck to actually be there and come to the realization of "uh oh, shit just got real."

 

I never liked Vee from the get go. She just rubbed me the wrong way, but I feel really bad for her because I can't imagine what it feels like to be an afterthought. Jo obviously loves Isaac to the point that he does not want to be far away from him, miss out on anything, and be totally involved in his life. He's having another child with Vee and my vibe from him is that that child is just not that important to him.

 

If s/he was that important, he would have had a heartfelt conversation with Vee about how he cannot bear to be far away from his kids... and we should move... I have to be fully involved... and all that jazz. He essentially told her, "I'm going, it's up to you, come or not," so he seemed okay with possibly being a long distance away from the new baby but not Isaac. It makes no sense to me.  

Edited September 6, 2015 by configdotsys

[Rebecca]

I thought the moving for Isaac talk with Vee came before they knew she was pregnant? Plus, I definitely assumed that was a convo just for the show and they had already had plenty of convos about how Jo felt and was thinking about moving. I've seen nothing to indicate Jo won't care just as much about his 2nd child and be a great father to that child. And I don't even like Jo generally.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Rebecca

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

Cole did break his lease and not wait the 5 months. His roommate moved out early so cole did too. It was still about a year after seeing each other at the gas station.

[configdotsys]

I thought the moving for Isaac talk with Vee came before they knew she was pregnant? Plus, I definitely assumed that was a convo just for the show and they had already had plenty of convos about how Jo felt and was thinking about moving. I've seen nothing to indicate Jo won't care just as much about his 2nd child and be a great father to that child. And I don't even like Jo generally.

Maybe my timing is off then but Vee clearly did not want to move away from her family and will likely need them a lot throughout her pregnancy but Jo was all about moving now, rather than coming up with a plan that made things better for everyone, Vee and his new baby included.

Edited September 6, 2015 by configdotsys

[GreatKazu]

 

If s/he was that important, he would have had a heartfelt conversation with Vee about how he cannot bear to be far away from his kids... and we should move... I have to be fully involved... and all that jazz. He essentially told her, "I'm going, it's up to you, come or not," so he seemed okay with possibly being a long distance away from the new baby but not Isaac. It makes no sense to me.  

That is not what happened. Vee found out she was pregnant after the decision to move was made.

 

 

Maybe my timing is off then but Vee clearly did not want to move away from her family and will likely need them a lot throughout her pregnancy but Jo was all about moving now, now making things better for everyone, Vee and his new baby included

When Vee talked about not wanting to move from her family, that was before the pregnancy reveal. Now, she was likely aware she was pregnant during that staged scene, but the conversation was supposed to reflect how she felt before she knew a baby was on board. In other words, that was a conversation she and Jo had before the decision to actually move was set and before she knew she was pregnant. The show just moves pretty quickly with how things transpire because there is only so much that can be shown due to time constraints. Just like the scenes with Leah at the motel, returning home, etc. Who knows how much time passed in between.

 

 

Plus, I definitely assumed that was a convo just for the show and they had already had plenty of convos about how Jo felt and was thinking about moving. I've seen nothing to indicate Jo won't care just as much about his 2nd child and be a great father to that child.

Right. A lot of the conversations that we watch are staged for the cameras. The conversations are real, not scripted, but a lot of the times these cast members have had their conversations about certain topics. The producers just want them to talk about them again as if we are watching them discuss matters for the first time. That is not to say everything is stage, just some scenes. That is why some of the reactions some of these people have don't seem to show any emotion or reactions.

Edited September 6, 2015 by GreatKazu