S02.E14: 6 Months Later

[Vinyasa]

just watching it again. Davina and Sean said they spent 10 of 42 nights together.

 

So I guess the honeymoon was 7 nights, so 3 nights in 5 weeks?

[rulesoftravel]

 

The $100 is a he sad/she said thing since it was not actually filmed. My guess is going to be yes since I've never seen a $100 bill come from a NY ATM. He's sheisty.

Atlantic City-gambling casinos.  $100 bills from their ATMs.    That might confirm that he's possibly a gambler.

Edited June 17, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[Snarklepuss]

I think Davina would be more suited to a man with a strong personality, one that is smart and knows that he's getting a very high-maintenance woman. He needs to control that in order not to be controlled by her. She needs someone of her career caliber, someone professional that lives or works in the city. Any man that's soft, or wishy-washy like Sean was will never satisfy her.

 

I agree.  I think she needs a man who knows how to handle her well enough to get her to tweak her maintenance down to a more livable level.  An Alpha male with a soft, playful side.  Like Carrie's "Big".  And yes, I've known men like that......Mr. Snarkle for one, LOL!  Although I am much lower maintenance than Davina, I am sure he could handle her.

[Pepper Mostly]

Thanks to all of you for the great discussion! I've been playing catch up all day. I have just one tiny thing to add--as I was watching I was musing, while watching Ryan D. in action "I bet Goodfellas is his favorite movie." then Jess confronted him with the mystery Valentine's card, and he answered JUST LIKE Ray Liotta does when his wife confronts him about his girlfriend visiting him in jail! "I can't control who comes to see me!" he protests. Ryan says "I can't control who sends me mail!" in the exact same tone and inflection. I laughed like a hyena. Oh Ryan.

 

I'm firmly team Davina right now. I think she's gotten a bum deal. She behaved like a lady and never lost her cool. If she has high expectations, well, so what if she does? Many a single woman has heard "You're too damn picky" more than once. She has a right not to settle. She has a lot of loyal friends and that says something. Where are Sean's friends?

 

Jaclyn is still my fave. What a great girl, I wish her the best.

[Sunnyside]

I think it's 'You're a sucker for watching this...' :) I too have been trying to figure it out (and I HATE it....how can they make this a 'signature' when its unintelligible)

I don't know the song but I think the lyrics are "its all or nothing"

[trashjunkie]

I don't know the song but I think the lyrics are "its all or nothing"

 

Ah! That makes so much sense.  All season I thought it was "it's a love thing" and it bugged me because it was so stupid.

[BunnySlippers]

I can't quote for some reason.

Ryan R's ex does live in Canada. While he didn't cheat on Jaclyn during the six weeks of filming, he did admit to having sex with two other women when the filming was over. Why he told Jaclyn this information is unclear - maybe to make her jealous. It was brought up at the reunion and Ryan denied ever saying it. Was not aired probably because it would look really bad that 2 of the men were possible cheaters.

As far as Ryan's mother, she said on camera she wished Ryan would move out so she could get a renter in the basement to supplement income. Ryan's older brother also lives at home.

Edit above - Ryan's mother said this on camera, however, it was never aired of course.

 

Ryan R disgusts me, and if he's such a player (though maybe you're right, and he was just trying to inflate his appeal to women), I'm doubly upset if it's true that the show didn't have the guys tested for STDs.

 

Thanks for the info about his mother. She seems like such a sweet person; I wish she and her granddaughter hadn't been dragged into this whole thing, and I wish things were easier for her.

 

As much as I hated this season, there will be a void of me getting angry every Tuesday night to these five pinheads.  Why five?  Cause....

 

Jacklyn - Clearly the only class act of the bunch of arrested development head cases.  Notice how she was the only one to come in and great all of the experts one by one and even Kevin.  Yes, she judged Ryan by his appearance and mannerisms 'at first sight' but she always gave him a chance and the second she gave in to him, he pushed her away.

 

Basement Ryan - What a man-child....I don't know what's worse, complaining that she is too aggressive, too buddy buddy (she just MET you for chissakes!!!  I sincerely doubt that he has had experience of other women he has dated falling all over him madly in love the minute she met him) etc, or then trying to blame the distance, his 'responsibilities' to his mother and Kayla, and not knowing he hurt her because she didn't vocalize it (yet we SAW her vocalize it to him in the last few episodes).  I'm sure the producers thought they were getting another Doug and Jamie and while Jacklyn was up to the task of even bettering Jamie, Ryan is no Doug...and never will be. 

 

Davina - I know I am in the minority here but I dislike her even more than Sean (and I do dislike Sean).  And she NEVER did answer the question if she was to blame for anything.  Clearly she thought she wasn't, but then at least say that rather than to attack Sean even further

 

Sean - One thing I agree with Davina is that she, I, nor anyone else knows who this guy really is.  What a creepy enigma

 

Jessica - Also somewhat unlikeable and the $100 stunt was a little too planned and calculated, but she did not deserve the crap that Ryan spouted out during the course of the show.  But I also do love her impersonation of Ryan...although mine is better :)

 

King of all Douches...the Duke of Douche...Ryan - So he tries to rehabilitate his image where it CLEARLY took a beating where even mother douche is crying to him about it, and only manages to make himself out to be a bigger douche than we already thought.   Kevin had the best line...'are you truly sorry about how you acted or sorry how you came off'....clearly it was the latter.  Also, he prides himself on 'telling it like it is' and yet, EVERYTIME he is confronted, he runs away.  He not only did that last night but in the 'trashy' argument at the restaurant and the $100 argument at the apartment.  And ENOUGH about your friggin grandparents.  Hey guess what Ryan, a LOT of us ALSO loved our grandparents but didn't use them as an excuse or as a lifestyle template.  That said, I want a ringtone of Ryan saying 'grandparents'

 

I loved your post!

 

[rulesoftravel]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the $100 bill argument had a more recent airing than the time we saw it on the show.  That seemed pretty recent and pretty raw for both of them.   

Edited June 17, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[BunnySlippers]

I noticed all the way through the season that Ryan R. has a wicked case of manspreading whenever he sits.  He takes up at least 4 feet spreading his legs out.  He can't blame needing to air his balls out -- in my opinion he has none.

 

LOLOLOLOL! :D

[Vicky8675309]

All those article say Ryan D ALLEGEDLY made death threats. I'm sure if any cast said they felt in fear of their life from the un-vetted guys, would be given security from the show. Same as if they said they got death threats from fans. Why didn't she file a police report--don't say security from production was the reason because did she expect them to be with her all her life? or did he put a deadline on his threat and after that time then all is forgiven. She is a media-whore. She also knew that the 100$ was a HOT BUTTON for Ryan so she brought that up to push his buttons in hopes of him exploding on tv. Bitch, please! I need real evidence and not some OTT remark made in the heat of the movement (if a remark was even made---just her word so far and I don't believe her just like I don't believe her when when she claimed Ryan said she looked trashy (I think he said, piercings look trashy but you look good) or that whole closet situation (there were TWO closets and she already had one but wanted more).

where's the proof he is a coke head and a drug dealer? yet so many are ready to burn him at the stake. Ryan is dumb and Jessica totally played him and is trying to get her goal of FAME. What was that goal she had on some article done long before the show aired? Something about everyone knowing her name within X amount of time.

I know I am in the minority about disliking Jessica more than Ryan D. I just wish people wouldn't assume everything she says is the truth and persecute a guy, who may have acted like a jerk at times, just based on what she says. Please wait for objective facts. Also remember the show is highly edited and any of the cast can be shown as more good or more bad then they really are IRL. Also, no person is 100% good/perfect or 100% bad/evil….well at least most people aren't. Also Jessica's cat liked RyanD and he didn't abandon it for 5 days to starve. Interesting that this was the only couple that actually lived together during the experiment.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Vicky8675309

[Liberty]

I know I am in the minority about disliking Jessica more than Ryan D.

 

Like Lordonia said so eloquently in the D & S thread, "it's a matter of shoveling horseshit vs chickenshit".  

[seasick]

how do I say this... well, lets just say that I recognize her type and so based on what she said that she does not embrace the indian culture -- well that set also is very anti-arranged marriage and based on her own parents marriage (which may or may not have been arranged), she would typically run away from that whole scene..... so for her to walk into such a show partly tells me that she waned some fame....  but even if she wasn't in it for the fame, she was extremely unlikeable because she is super judgmental... the only likeable person this season was jaclyn.

Well, Pickle  being Indian yourself you may have a certain different perspective on her reasoning for her detachment from Indian culture. I do not go so far as to say therefore she wanted to be white.

 

I am white and worked with many Bangledesh and Indian people..mostly guys,for many years  and I have to admit, I adored them.  I admit I have a huge bias toward Indians because of that..  I found them all to be so kind, warm, funny, bright, open-hearted, affectionate.. ..I cannot say enough good about them. So these are the qualities I see in Davina.  

 

I, like you,   don't know if her parents' marriage was arranged, but all the guys I worked with were arranged.  I had no idea that this still went on in today's world until I met them.  They all seemed very happy and dedicated to family life;   that's all I can say on that..

 

I can't assume that she would be turned off to arranged marriages because of her background and therefore just do it to be on TV. I think it's too simple to assign the desire for fame to anyone on a reality show. It doesn't always prove it's that and nothing else  

 

My feeling is, for what it's worth, is that Davina was a smart successful, beautiful, stylish Manhattan woman and that some looked at  that image and attached snobbery and judgemental-ism to it, as though she would just naturally look down on others.  I never saw that.  Anger and frustration never looks good on anyone.  That's what I saw and I think she did far better that I would have in keeping her composure with one IMPOSSIBLE human being.

 

I adored Jaclyn too.. and she was part Indian. and I attribute much of her big, warm heart to her culture too..fair or not.

 

I hope we can agree to disagree if we do.  We have each had our own personal experiences that we draw upon.

[Vinyasa]

Jacklyn - Clearly the only class act of the bunch of arrested development head cases.  Notice how she was the only one to come in and great all of the experts one by one and even Kevin.

 

 

Jessica greeted the experts too, didn't she?

[JapMo]

 

All those article say Ryan D ALLEGEDLY made death threats. I'm sure if any cast said they felt in fear of their life from the un-vetted guys, would be given security from the show. Same as if they said they got death threats from fans. Why didn't she file a police report--don't say security from production was the reason because did she expect them to be with her all her life? or did he put a deadline on his threat and after that time then all is forgiven. She is a media-whore. She also knew that the 100$ was a HOT BUTTON for Ryan so she brought that up to push his buttons in hopes of him exploding on tv. Bitch, please! I need real evidence and not some OTT remark made in the heat of the movement (if a remark was even made---just her word so far and I don't believe her just like I don't believe her when when she claimed Ryan said she looked trashy (I think he said, piercings look trashy but you look good) or that whole closet situation (there were TWO closets and she already had one but wanted more).

where's the proof he is a coke head and a drug dealer? yet so many are ready to burn him at the stake. Ryan is dumb and Jessica totally played him and is trying to get her goal of FAME. What was that goal she had on some article done long before the show aired? Something about everyone knowing her name within X amount of time.

I know I am in the minority about disliking Jessica more than Ryan D. I just wish people wouldn't assume everything she says is the truth and persecute a guy, who may have acted like a jerk at times, just based on what she says. Please wait for objective facts. Also remember the show is highly edited and any of the cast can be shown as more good or more bad then they really are IRL. Also, no person is 100% good/perfect or 100% bad/evil….well at least most people aren't. Also Jessica's cat liked RyanD and he didn't abandon it for 5 days to starve. Interesting that this was the only couple that actually lived together during the experiment.

I agree that a lot of posters are thinking the worst of Ryan, but it does look bad for him. I want to see the proof, however. Here's another thing about Ryan...he never really came out and said why it didn't work with him and Jessica. When pressed by Kevin, he pulled out that she was and actress and was acting the entire time. Now I don't remember him ever accusing her of that before this. You could almost see that he made it up on the spot. Why? I'm not suggesting he's being noble, but Ryan doesn't seem to want to air dirty laundry in public. From the get-go and their first argument about the tatoo, he was very uncomfortable arguing in front of the cameras, so he up and left. If you remember last night, he said something to Jessica to the affect 'do you really want to bring that up here'? Even though she's been trashing him, I think he cannot say on camera why he doesn't like her. Now he may have said something in SM, I don't know. But that's what I've always sensed about him, which is strange if he decided to be on the show because he wanted to get on TV. Doesn't he know how reality shows work?

Jessica's stock really went down for me last night. She made a very big tactical error. In her quest to lash out and hurt him as much as possible, she pulled that $100 bill stunt. You could hear a pin drop in that room. Everyone knew how mean, vindictive and childish that was. All she had to do was sit back and let Ryan talk, and she would have looked better than him. After watching that little scene she manufactured, I question why she seems to always hook up with losers who hurt her. Jessica is not a wallflower and she's never been afraid to speak out. She acts meek and mild, but in their blowups she went toe to toe with him. Her MO was to wait to address her unhappiness until the cameras were rolling. And then Ryan would get blindsided, start blustering and then run off. Not condoning him, but as many have said previously, she knows how to push his buttons and she gleefully was doing it last night. Could she be making up some of this stuff or embellishing it. It's a great way to get even with him, and strangely she looks like the type of person who would not go gently into that good night but rather would play little pranks like throwing someone's clothes out the window or calling them 100 times in the middle of the night.

[Wings]

I love your posts, seasick.  

[GeorgiaRai]

It's been all over main stream media.  People, etc.    It's coming possibly from Jessica's attorney.

I understand that there are accusations and claims all over the media - I'm wondering where it's originating.  I haven't seen any sources.  In fact, the People article refers to their source as "rumors".  I'll keep searching for something more.

 

Who is Jessica's attorney (or where is that info given? I'm happy to search for it myself, but I keep coming up empty.) 

[Zung Li]

I understand that there are accusations and claims all over the media - I'm wondering where it's originating.  I haven't seen any sources.  In fact, the People article refers to their source as "rumors".  I'll keep searching for something more.

 

Who is Jessica's attorney (or where is that info given? I'm happy to search for it myself, but I keep coming up empty.) 

Her lawyer is named in this article:

http://nypost.com/2015/06/15/married-at-first-sight-hubby-threatened-to-kill-me-bride/

[Vinyasa]

I think Davina would be more suited to a man with a strong personality, one that is smart and knows that he's getting a very high-maintenance woman. He needs to control that in order not to be controlled by her. She needs someone of her career caliber, someone professional that lives or works in the city. Any man that's soft, or wishy-washy like Sean was will never satisfy her.

 

I doubt a man like that would be attracted to her. But what do I know?

 

Wow, that Dr. Logan  torn Davina up one side and down the other. She really hated Davina and

didn't care that she made it loud and clear.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Vinyasa

[GeorgiaRai]

Great post, Japmo!  ::standing ovation::

 

From the get-go and their first argument about the tatoo, he was very uncomfortable arguing in front of the cameras, so he up and left. If you remember last night, he said something to Jessica to the affect 'do you really want to bring that up here'? Even though she's been trashing him, I think he cannot say on camera why he doesn't like her. Now he may have said something in SM, I don't know. But that's what I've always sensed about him, which is strange if he decided to be on the show because he wanted to get on TV. Doesn't he know how reality shows work?
 

 

My only comment is that I'm not sure this is something Ryan did just because of the cameras.  If I remember right, after the $100 nastiness, Ryan was walking off set & Jess said something like "This is what he always does!"   Makes me wonder if he's uncomfortable with fighting in general and chooses, instead, to walk away until the situation cools down.  Granted, he sticks around long enough for both of them to get make their points and take their shots, but at least he gets to a point where he's ready to let it end.  (This is why I don't buy all the abusive/bad-tempered accusations.)

Her lawyer is named in this article:

http://nypost.com/2015/06/15/married-at-first-sight-hubby-threatened-to-kill-me-bride/

Thanks, mimgming! 

"Celebrity divorce attorney" - lol!!  Interesting that this specifically says he wouldn't comment on the case - so apparently all the "inside information" isn't coming from him. 

[algebra]

I just saw a post supposedly by Jaclyn that while she was in Key West for five days, Basement didn't even feed her cat.

[Kiss my mutt]

How is basement Ryan getting so much ass? I didn't even think his balls had dropped.

[rulesoftravel]

From this article: http://nypost.com/2015/06/15/married-at-first-sight-hubby-threatened-to-kill-me-bride/

De Nino is facing Family Court charges of harassment, menacing and stalking. Court referee Julie Stanton ordered De Nino to stay away from his wife until their hearing on July 13.

 

So, on July 13, we'll know possibly a lot more about this situation.  Me, I'm the kind of person who would take a death threat seriously, even if it's directed to a wannabe reality star.  I'd rather err on the side of caution.     And police reports are not filed on a verbal death threat-that's why the order of protection exists.      Which, we might not have known about if Ryan had not posted it.  Just sayin'.      I think Ryan is very emotionally and verbally abusive.  I would not want to take the chance that his words escalate into action.   If July 13 comes and goes and it's all thrown out-I'll apologize to Ryan (in absentia) for thinking he could actually hurt someone. I'll probably always think he's an immature jerk, though.  

Edited June 17, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[algebra]

How is basement Ryan getting so much ass? I didn't even think his balls had dropped.

He was on TV. That's all it takes.

[sookisooki]

When I told my mother Jess tried out for season one, she insisted she may have been a good match for Jason.

I wish the reunion had a quick update on the first season marriages.

I don't know if she would have worked for Jason because he had such a hard time opening up. Like he had bones in his closet or something. He needed to know that his partner was solid and real.  Jessica didn't seem to possess that depth, maturity and realness to draw Jason out like Cortney patiently did. JMO..

[GeorgiaRai]

If a court-appointed Special Referee is releasing information about a Family Court filing to the media, New York has some very serious defects in their justice system.  I'm hoping that in actuality, some TMZ-type "journalist" simply looked at the docket and could tell (either by courtroom # or file #) which referee Jessica's case was assigned to. 

 

I'm not against anyone taking a threat seriously. I do like to try to distinguish between facts & rumor/opinions, but the way so many of these articles are written makes it (purposely?) hard to do.

Edited June 19, 2015 by GeorgiaRai

[Vicky8675309]

All we have to go on is Jessica's words which the media has run with and has dragged Ryan's name threw the dirt. People see stuff written in articles and assume it to be true even though it is just rumor or something one person claims (could be total bullshit). Ryan has already been judged and found guilty by the press (and social media, etc…) of threatening to kill her, abusing her, theft, gambling, drug abuse, drug dealing, etc. He may have been a jerk at times on the show but I didn't see anything horrible (people say shit when arguing). I found her more disturbing on the show (she constantly threw him under the bus) since she came across as manipulative and fake (playing meek and setting up situations to make him look bad--he didn't need her help with that).

I may be completely wrong but that was my take on the show. My take on what happened after decision day is Ryan is getting screwed over by Jessica and I want proof of what she is accusing him of before I believe her. I don't know why, but the more "poor Jessica" posts I read, the more I like Ryan and dislike Jessica. Sure production offering security kept you from filing a order of protection or police report…until inside info leaked (did she leak it) and suddenly it wasn't good enough for you--people have attempted to explain her timeline but why did she change her mind…whatever…it's all just speculation until facts are presented but as it stands now, I feel sorry for Ryan. I think Jason (last season) tweeted support then got smacked by fans so he is quiet now.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Vicky8675309

[mythoughtis]

I think I agree with a poster that said Davina expected to be matched with 'THE ONE', MR. PERFECT, in the way the old matchmakers from a couple centuries used to do.  When she got Sean, she considered him broken, which maybe he was.  He wasn't MR Perfect, but she wasn't his Ms. Perfect either.  They needed to work together to find areas they could be in agreement on.

I think they were asked how many nights they spent at the apartment, and said 10 or 12.  So I think it's 10 or 12 out of 35, excluding the honeymoon and the weekend away.  Sean probably worked 12 hour shifts plus overtime, so I still can't fault him for staying in Jersey on work days,  the night's prior to work days, and so forth.  It's just the reality of work.

 

There is no way these couples could have been matched in ways that truly considered factors the way the old matchmakers used to do.  Back then they looked at the family backgrounds, living location, religion, and all sorts of factors that would ease someone into a relationship.  The matchmaker knew both families, and knew who might be good fits. There was courting involved, and even then, you could say no.  Even with arranged marriages, the couple is consulted, the families often know each other, and the couple spends time skyping, or visiting with family present.  They often live in the same neighborhood already, so moving and resettling isn't that big a deal.  It's like marrying someone from your hometown vs marrying someone you met at  college from another state. There is not near as many issues if you don't have to relocate.  

These couples didn't go that route, they went the mail order bride route.  Uproot someone, ship them out on a stagecoach to be someone's bride they had never met with nothing more than a one-page fact sheet, leaving their entire lives behind.  That takes courage. 

 

Marriage is a lot of work, and that first year is rough for even couples that have been together a while, or even lived together .To do the first six weeks of marriage with someone you never met and don't really care about.....  A TV show isn't going to generate the commitment level needed. To turn your life upside down for six weeks for a stranger?

 

I really cannot get too upset about Ryan R 'cheating' on Jaclyn if they weren't living together. Yes, technically they were married, but this premise was so stupid, that I just can't see it as 'cheating'.  I just can't see the commitment that should have been there for any of them, and I can't see any of them being so in love that they considered themselves married either. If I was so shallow as to have done this show, I would have had to go to Vegas to renew my vows before I felt married. 

Edited June 17, 2015 by mythoughtis

[Neurochick]

If I didn't know better, I would think that all three couples were put together to create maximum drama.

 

Davina wanted someone to be there for her while Sean couldn't be there; he couldn't even bear to be in Manhattan.  (did he lie about the promotion?)

 

Jessica didn't know how to speak up for herself and used passive aggressive methods to get her point across and Ryan couldn't control his anger.  

 

Jaclyn was a very outgoing extrovert, "a woman of the world," while Ryan was a quiet young man who'd never left his mother's basement.  

 

I mean those relationships were doomed from the start IMO.  

 

I don't think Sean, Ryan D, Ryan R, or  Jessica should have been on this show.  Sean doesn't know who he is, Ryan D needs to control his anger and needs to know that he can't shoot his mouth off all the time (which is why I'm glad Jessica filed the restraining order, teach him that), Ryan R needs to live on his own for awhile, and Jessica needs to learn how to speak up for herself and not be so passive/aggressive.    To me only Jaclyn was the one who seemed to be a grown up.  I'm torn on Davina because I don't think she really got the chance to have a relationship since Sean wasn't even there.  

[GeorgiaRai]

I wish they'd do like the Bachelor and bring back Davina & Jaclyn for another season.  I'd watch them again, and would hope the "experts" could do a better job on the 2nd time around.

[SaucyMommy]

I couldn't take another season of Davina!

[crazychicken]

Does anyone know if its a song or what is being sung, when "Married at First Sight" with the little bride and groom characters appears on the screen?

 

It is played when the show comes back from a commercial.

 

I've been trying to figure this out all season!

I am really disappointed in myself for knowing this as it bothered me too

 

No holding back

No holding back

It's all or nothing

It's all or nothing

And there's no other way

 

I also shouted "NO an idiot can see its a fail" at the intro when the narrator says "At the end of the 6 weeks the couples must decide if the experiment has been a success"

Edited June 18, 2015 by crazychicken

[Bella]

I wouldn't trust these "experts" to match a golden retriever with a tennis ball.

But I wouldn't mind seeing Jaclyn back if new experts took her seriously. Jessica needs to learn to stand up for herself (including walking away from hot-headed jerks) and Davina needs to get over The Notebook before trying again. But otherwise I'd be fine with them returning. OTOH, I don't want to see any of the men again.

[Aethera]

It's very true that we don't know much for sure about the Ryan/Jessica developments. Jessica could be making it all up, Ryan could have truly threatened, harassed and/or stalked her, or the truth could be somewhere in between. The watch could have been his grandfather's, or not. The $100 could have been stolen, or from an Atlantic City ATM. None of us knows for certain.

 

As we've said a lot of times over in 19 Kids - let's not attack each other here, or state our opinions as fact. We are ALL speculating about the situation between Ryan & Jessica. Any participant here, or ALL of them, could be fully or partially lying. Disagreement is fine, but it needs to be RESPECTFUL disagreement. Keep that in mind, and keep cool, please!

[MustInsertOpinion]

If Jessica felt stalked by Ryan, then why was HE the one who wanted to live separately and moved out? She was coming over to HIS apartment (and then finding the card and smashing his grandfather's watch). My experiences with abusers are that they do not want to let you get away from them and try both physically and emotionally to get you to stay.

I'll give her the harassment part, based on his social media comments.

I think he did make the threat, but I view it in another context. He was mad and stormed off. When he would take off during the show, his mouth was running the entire time. I think the nonstop muttering helps him let off steam. I think that is what he was doing when he said he wanted to kill her. He was muttering one of his angry rants to himself in the dressing room, forgetting that he was mic'd. A 30 year old man should be able to control his mouth better than that, particularly when he is saying things that society has a zero tolerance rule for, so I'm not defending that. But I do question if Jessica took that and decided to use it to punish him for being a lousy "husband". If he called her on the phone or showed up at her home making threatening remarks, then that would be a different thing entirely.

I think Jaclyn was pretty forgiving of a man who couldn't be bothered to feed her cat while she was out of town. Was Mookie staying at the shared apt or in Jersey? I could maybe see him not wanting to drive to Jersey if she had a friend closer who could do it.

[rulesoftravel]

 

If a court-appointed Special Referee is releasing information about a Family Court filing to the media, New York has some very serious defects in their justice system.

I'm guessing that NYPost was able to get a copy from someone friendly to the NYPost at the courthouse.      But the July 13 hearing may answer questions.

[princelina]

When the experts and "Kev" were giving their advice about ups and downs in marriage..... I was thinking.. yeah, in a long-term relationship, those things are true. But in the beginning of dating? I don't think so. I don't think people should have to work all that hard in the beginning, and I think a sign of a good relationship is that neither person has to work all that hard. This shows that there is some basic compatibility.

So this idea that these couples who have never seen each other before should have to work so hard just to get along.... doesn't really fly for me.

 

 

Thank you!  It bugs me when I hear real-life people talk about "couples counseling" when they have just been dating for a while - break up, for Pete's sake!  If you need counseling a month or two into your relationship, get out!

 

Of course I realize that's the point of this show - that they have more motivation to make it work, but the other premise is that they are really matched with people to whom they can relate and connect.  And I did see it last year with Doug/Jamie and Jason/Cortney.  And I even could see why Monet and Vaughn had been paired, with her realizing at the end that she doesn't want a guy who expects her to be a "traditional" wife.  And I did think he was kind of a dick at the time.

 

But compared to these fools?  Last season Doug was all about wooing and winning Jamie, and she enjoyed it and fell for his patience and charms.  Jason and Cortney were into each other, doing all of the stupid convo someone posted about previously, because they wanted to get to know each other.  OTOH, we could all tell the minute Vaughn checked out.  (Much like Basement Ryan from this season, actually!)

 

I don't know whether I would get along with Davina in real life or not - but I know I would hate Sean, and roll my eyeballs  at him and make fun of him behind his back for sure, and probably to his face as well (in an oblique, sarcastic way of course.)  IMO both she and Jaclyn were taking the high road and trying to be polite on the show about the disappointing middle-schoolers they were matched with.  I don't follow SM so I only know about her being bitchy there from this site, but whatever.  Here's the type of response I might have given to the VAE (Very Angry Experts):

 

"Yes, I was thrilled with Sean on our wedding day, and really excited to get to know him.  But after being together for the first two days of our honeymoon, it became obvious that he wasn't interested in me at all, was way too hung up on his own anxieties and "bullying" past, and for the cherry on top he acted like a bullying ass to the hotel staff about my ring.  Knowing he could care less about me, why would I worry about "compromising" with someone who doesn't give a shit about me, let alone spend every weekend in BFNJ while he works 12 hour shifts?  You all couldn't even get one camera shot of him giving me a peck when he walked through the door or saying good night, so don't tell me he was interested in any way."

 

I know there are two sides to every story, but sometimes the second side is told by a lying asshole, and has no validity.  With the right examples, you could convince me that Davina is a high maintenance PITA; you could also convince me that she's a nice lady with a lot of friends who was done wrong by this show.  But there's nothing you could say to convince me that Sean is a nice guy, a decent person, someone I'd want to hang around with, (or even someone who's filled with the angst and anxiety he tried to portray.  I call BS on the whole deal.)  

 

Clearly Dr. C is in love with him and Dr. L hates Davina, so I question their judgment about everything else for that reason.  As for the producers - the Survivor producers think we love all things "Hantz" - maybe these ones thought we would love all things "sensitive cute gray-haired whiner" :)  JMHO of course :)

[ethalfrida]

Okay, Princelina needs to be one of the experts on this show!

And I chose to not watch the show because the breakdown/rundown is far more interesting here. Plus I was tired of sucking my teeth, yelling at the tv and sending snark to a panel of people who KNOW that the show was not about doing anything but creating drama.

[Gigi43]

All we have to go on is Jessica's words which the media has run with and has dragged Ryan's name threw the dirt. People see stuff written in articles and assume it to be true even though it is just rumor or something one person claims (could be total bullshit). Ryan has already been judged and found guilty by the press (and social media, etc…) of threatening to kill her, abusing her, theft, gambling, drug abuse, drug dealing, etc. He may have been a jerk at times on the show but I didn't see anything horrible (people say shit when arguing). I found her more disturbing on the show (she constantly threw him under the bus) since she came across as manipulative and fake (playing meek and setting up situations to make him look bad--he didn't need her help with that).

About the supposed March threats, it's Ryan vs. Jessica. But Ryan flipping out at the reunion and A&E then offering her security either happened or it didn't, and people other than Ryan and Jessica can confirm/deny it. I think it definitely happened but no one maybe knows how serious of a threat he meant it, so no one wants to get involved at the risk of maybe having to guess which side too take, that it was just talk or something involving an ongoing situation in which Jessica does need protection from, since risking someones image is better than risking someones life. If this is being blown out of proportion, Ryan still needs to learn to control himself because you can't just threaten people in public and assume for people to guess you're just mad and running your mouth.

I don't watch the Bachelor shows but generally those people break up even before reunions and stuff right? Since two couples did stay married from Season 1, that makes me go easy on any of the six who maybe thought they could find someone, where as those Bachelor shows especially now are proven failures. This season so far is the first MAFS failure. Seems like they rushed whoever signs up for Season 3 before the epic fail of season 2 could really be seen (I'm assuming these people were probably selected/locked into contracts, when the season first started though the marriages just took place.) Whoever signs up for Season 4, if there is one, though either knows what they're getting into or is very stupid.

I'm wondering if the experts get additional money for successful matches. I don't know why they were trying so hard to get Jaclyn and Ryan to stay together.

Ryan and Jac getting back together could be opening the door to A First Year show of them trying to work it out, is how the experts probably see it, which means more TV time for them and I'm sure more money. Edited June 18, 2015 by Gigi43

[algebra]

While I think Davina was high maintenance and very demanding, she wanted a strong man and she got Sean. I can't blame her for being mad at the experts, and she let them know they had made a bad match. And all they could say was they put them together because they'd both been bullied as kids.

On what planet does that make for a good match?

So because she blamed the experts for the bad match, they retaliated by blaming her for not making it work. That's their whole game, if the participants tell the hacks that "you made a good match but we failed," the hacks smile and nod and congratulate them for trying. If the participants state the obvious, that the match stunk, the hacks insist it's the participants' fault.

[rulesoftravel]

 

Ryan and Jac getting back together could be opening the door to A First Year show of them trying to work it out, is how the experts probably see it, which means more TV time for them and I'm sure more money.

Well, that boat sailed and sank with the "experts" on board.

Edited June 18, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[algebra]

I think the 'Spurts were really pissed because this season was such a disaster that the brand has been damaged and the next season is in jeopardy. which means they will have to get real jobs. And the season 1 couples were watching their lifetime of reunion specials circle the drain.

[Lion18]

Even when Jamie was interviewed she said they didn't think he was a good fit for the show. She said he'd never had a serious relationship. I'm compelled to believe Davina was made the villain. I don't know why the experts were so angry with her. Why be angry with her but not the guys? Makes zero sense

Can you tell me when Jamie said these things? When and where was she interviewed? Thanks

[crazychicken]

Can you tell me when Jamie said these things? When and where was she interviewed? Thanks

http://www.wetpaint.com/2015-06-09-married-first-sight-season-2-couples/

Her go to place to comment on other peoples business.

[okerry]

I think it's 'You're a sucker for watching this...' :)  I too have been trying to figure it out (and I HATE it....how can they make this a 'signature' when its unintelligible)

The first few words are, "It's all or nothing." After that, I don't know either. Can't find it on line. And yes, it's very annoying that you can't understand the theme song.

[Lion18]

Article about Ryan and Jac never getting together after reunion

http://www.examiner.com/article/married-at-first-sight-update-did-ryan-and-jaclyn-stay-together-after-reunion

[okerry]

I am really disappointed in myself for knowing this as it bothered me too

 

No holding back

No holding back

It's all or nothing

It's all or nothing

And there's no other way

 

I also shouted "NO an idiot can see its a fail" at the intro when the narrator says "At the end of the 6 weeks the couples must decide if the experiment has been a success"

Thank You! I couldn't figure out that last line to save my life! "And there's no other way . . . " Wow, maybe next time, Show, get somebody who can sing halfway clearly! I can (usually) understand Elton John, but never could make out this theme song LOL!

[sleekandchic]

I'm wondering if the experts get additional money for successful matches. I don't know why they were trying so hard to get Jaclyn and Ryan to stay together.

The way the experts badgered Jaclyn and Ryan R made me uncomfortable. And then when Epstein, usually a bland, virtual nonpresence, focused on Jaclyn with his platitudinous take on marriage (there will be good days and bad days! Happy times and sad times! Days when you'll love, days when you'll hate! OMG! Genius material) -- well, I lost my patience.

Jaclyn handled the onlslaught well. She also was clear that RyanR never met her halfway, but she stopped short of taking the gloves off. I think I know why, too: Kayla and Momma Ryan. Jaclyn said she missed them, and I believe her. Jaclyn didn't want to hurt either the child or the grams.

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It's interesting to read that Jamie Otis didn't think Sean was a good candidate for MAFS.

Edited June 18, 2015 by sleekandchic

[rulesoftravel]

 

And then when Epstein, usually a bland, virtual nonpresence, focused on Jaclyn with his platitudinous take on marriage (there will be good days and bad days! Happy times and sad times! Days when you'll love, days when you'll hate! OMG! Genius material) -- well, I lost my patience.

I lost my dinner.

[sleekandchic]

I doubt that Jaimie Otis is capable of rational thought based on her support of Ryan right after the order of protection came out.

Oh I forgot....good people do bad things, right? Dolt.

If production goes ahead with a new season of MAFS: The First Year that will be a boon to Jamie and season one others, right? Unless we're gonna be treated to six "hot" singles slogging through jail cells and ERs and vodka raves? Basements and pharm sales and model shoots in a guy's bathroom? Oy. :)

[Snarklepuss]

The way the experts badgered Jaclyn and Ryan R made me uncomfortable. And then when Epstein, usually a bland, virtual nonpresence, focused on Jaclyn with his platitudinous take on marriage (there will be good days and bad days! Happy times and sad times! Days when you'll love, days when you'll hate! OMG! Genius material) -- well, I lost my patience.

 

I know, Epstein's platitudinous comments came out of left field!  Did he not even listen to all that was being said?  This was not even a relationship at this point let alone a marriage with any give and take!  Plus he addressed Jaclyn like she was the one who needed to hear it, like she's the one with the problems that have been ruining the relationship.  He said that after listening to Ryan pretty much admit he didn't want a relationship with her, and Jac saying they hadn't been in touch in months because of that, too!  It just boggled the mind.  What freaking planet is he on?