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2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

And by the same token, imagine how confusing it was for a generation of women who had expected to be home makers to suddenly be thrust into a world where  families could live on one paycheck any more and they realized they had better learn to make a living.

Except that in lots of cases, women have always had outside jobs, albeit "women's" jobs, like nurses, teachers, clerks, secretaries, seamstresses, maids, housecleaners etc etc. I personally never understood women who depended solely on men to support them and their children, and then were up s*** creek if the men took off or died, but as you said, it was the societal expectation that women stay at home with their children.

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29 minutes ago, Bastet said:

My dad, who was the sole "breadwinner" for the family, went through a period where he worked long hours six days a week due to a big project/looming deadline.  At one point in there, he was home on a Saturday, and I remarked, "I keep thinking it's Sunday, because you're here."  I didn't mean anything beyond that simple statement, but I later overheard him sharing it with my mom, feeling guilty about his recent prolonged absence.

Once, after he'd retired, we were sitting around a campfire after my mom had gone into the motorhome for the night, and he expressed concern that he'd missed too much of my life because of work - my mom spent so much more time with me.  I assured him that was not the case.  In my whole life, there were only two times he had to miss something I really wanted him there for (my tenth birthday, and a HS volleyball game against our rival school).  Because those were anomalies and I knew at the time he was as disappointed as I was, they made me sad, but didn't cause me to be upset with him, just that circumstances caused the issue.  (His boss gave me a present for that birthday, a book, in which he wrote a nice little note apologizing for having to take my dad out of town on my birthday.)

No, he wasn't there for every game the way my mom was, but I didn't need either of them there for every game; being there for all but one of the big ones was plenty.  He came to all my school plays, spelling bees, etc.  He knew my friends.  He went to Meet the Teacher nights.  He played with me, helped me with homework.  All the stuff my mom did; he didn't do as much of it as she did, but he certainly didn't treat raising me like her job with which he sometimes graciously helped.

The three of us had dinner together almost every night, and went out to dinner every Friday night.  He took three weeks off every summer for us to go on vacation.  We took the motorhome out for the weekend once a month.  It was plenty!  He spent more time with his family than a lot of men of his generation did, but he wasn't looking at it in comparison to other fathers, but to my other parent.  Well, of course she spent more time with me, since she didn't have an outside job!  I never felt like she was a better parent/he was less of one because of that; if I made a list of the 50 best and worst things about each of them as parents, working/being home wouldn't appear on either one's pro or con list. 

Circumstances limit our choices, but we still have them.  The attitude about it all and how the time is spent mean a lot more to a kid than the amount of time.  "You were never around because you chose not to be" is a completely different experience than "I know we both wish you could have been around more" and thus yields a completely different dynamic between parent and adult child.

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Except that in lots of cases, women have always had outside jobs, albeit "women's" jobs, like nurses, teachers, clerks, secretaries, seamstresses, maids, housecleaners etc etc. I personally never understood women who depended solely on men to support them and their children, and then were up s*** creek if the men took off or died, but as you said, it was the societal expectation that women stay at home with their children.

All the older working women in my family, mostly teachers, were all fired from their jobs when they got married. It wasn't until the sixties that you saw married working women in middle class families.

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43 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I love this post.

All the older working women in my family, mostly teachers, were all fired from their jobs when they got married. It wasn't until the sixties that you saw married working women in middle class families.

Yes, I should have made that clear. Women in working class families have always worked outside the home, which sounds like they don't also work inside the home!  In fact, the premise that there were no jobs during the Depression is incorrect. There were lots of jobs, but they were "women's work" jobs, and middle class men thought that beneath them, and actually sat around doing nothing. Your post about your father was lovely. You are blessed to have had a loving, stable, family growing up.

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On 6/30/2021 at 7:42 PM, Bastet said:

Exactly.  Animal lifespan is the bane of having pets, so that speaks to how rewarding it is -- we sign up to get our hearts broken over and over again (the 20th loss is every bit as hard as the first) because the unconditional love they give us, the joys of sharing a life with them, and the comfort that comes from knowing we provided a great home to a dependent creature makes that pain worth enduring for all we get in exchange. 

That is true, and I have, several times. I have decided that my last pet, my cat, who I had for 18 years, and lost 15 years ago, and still miss, would be my last one. I am of an  older age now and can't go through the pain again, even if my living situation was right for a pet, which it isn't. Does anyone agree, or is everyone braver than I am?

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15 minutes ago, susannah said:

That is true, and I have, several times. I have decided that my last pet, my cat, who I had for 18 years, and lost 15 years ago, and still miss, would be my last one. I am of an  older age now and can't go through the pain again, even if my living situation was right for a pet, which it isn't. Does anyone agree, or is everyone braver than I am?

I agree, I lost my Baby Boo 3 years ago, he was a rescue and lived with me for 12.5 years. I just can't bring myself to actually get another cat. I feed the ferals but will not bring one inside. 

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4 hours ago, susannah said:

They were not expected to be hands on with the children, weren't in labor/delivery rooms, didn't change diapers or do all the other childcare.

I have a funny story about that and my Dad. My Mom worked as a waitress a few nights a week so my Dad did have to do some of the hands on child care. It was the early-mid 50s, I was probably around 3 and my brother was a baby. We lived in one small suburb of KC and my Grandparents lived in the next town over, it wasn't a suburb then, but now it's the 2nd largest city in Missouri, area wise. But there was probably close to 20 miles between our house and my Grandparents. My Dad worked for Frito, long before it was purchased by Lay Potato Chips. He drove a big truck, about the size of a UPS truck, only one seat, no a/c, he opened both doors in the front to get air moving. Anyway, my Dad never could handle poopy diapers, he was ok with wet ones, but you know the kind of messes infants can make. I take after my Dad on this one and one of the reasons I'm happy I never had children. My brother pooped, made quite the mess, my Dad tried, but couldn't change it. He bundled my brother up, put him in his car bed (remember those?) bundled me up, put us in the truck and drove to my Grandparents to have my Grandmother change the baby. I only heard this story from my Mom long after my Dad had died, but it makes me smile and a little teary. 

To another subject, about doctors knowing your history. You would think so. I go to a teaching clinic and might see several different doctors, especially if my primary is not in and I need to be seen quickly. My history is in my records, but they don't always have time or take time to read through all the history. So, they ask questions pertinent to whatever ailment I'm there for. If it's something major, I may have to tell the doctor about something or other in my history.

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21 minutes ago, friendperidot said:

Anyway, my Dad never could handle poopy diapers, he was ok with wet ones, but you know the kind of messes infants can make.

That's a funny story. There are ads on now where a father is changing a poopy diaper and act a bit like they deserve a medal for braving such a horrible task. Newsflash for them, mothers and grandmothers don't enjoy it one bit more. I would hope your grandmother told your dad that, and she shouldn't have done it for him!

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7 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I always took "Cats in the Cradle" to mean that the apple sometimes unfortunately doesn't fall far from the tree, and that the son learned those behaviors from his Dad. 

 

Exactly.  "He'd grown up  just like me."

6 hours ago, susannah said:

Except that in lots of cases, women have always had outside jobs, albeit "women's" jobs, like nurses, teachers, clerks, secretaries, seamstresses, maids, housecleaners etc etc. I personally never understood women who depended solely on men to support them and their children, and then were up s*** creek if the men took off or died, but as you said, it was the societal expectation that women stay at home with their children.

I have a friend who is about 60 years old.  No credit in her name.  Everything is in her husband's name.  They had some financial issues in the past, but have since cleared things up.  I have been trying to get thru to her that she needs some credit, even if it's just a little $1,000 limit card, in her name.  Something happens to her husband, she's definitely gonna be up the creek.

5 hours ago, chessiegal said:

He was going to different specialists for different ailments. I think he honestly didn't know what he was taking.

I keep a running list of all of my and Mr. Max's medications for every time we go to a new doctor.  Even if they're all in the same network, under the same insurance plan, they never seem to have the list of medications that you gave to the doctor who referred you to the new doctor.

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7 hours ago, Bastet said:

My dad, who was the sole "breadwinner" for the family, went through a period where he worked long hours six days a week due to a big project/looming deadline.  At one point in there, he was home on a Saturday, and I remarked, "I keep thinking it's Sunday, because you're here."  I didn't mean anything beyond that simple statement, but I later overheard him sharing it with my mom, feeling guilty about his recent prolonged absence.

Once, after he'd retired, we were sitting around a campfire after my mom had gone into the motorhome for the night, and he expressed concern that he'd missed too much of my life because of work - my mom spent so much more time with me.  I assured him that was not the case.  In my whole life, there were only two times he had to miss something I really wanted him there for (my tenth birthday, and a HS volleyball game against our rival school).  Because those were anomalies and I knew at the time he was as disappointed as I was, they made me sad, but didn't cause me to be upset with him, just that circumstances caused the issue.  (His boss gave me a present for that birthday, a book, in which he wrote a nice little note apologizing for having to take my dad out of town on my birthday.)

No, he wasn't there for every game the way my mom was, but I didn't need either of them there for every game; being there for all but one of the big ones was plenty.  He came to all my school plays, spelling bees, etc.  He knew my friends.  He went to Meet the Teacher nights.  He played with me, helped me with homework.  All the stuff my mom did; he didn't do as much of it as she did, but he certainly didn't treat raising me like her job with which he sometimes graciously helped.

The three of us had dinner together almost every night, and went out to dinner every Friday night.  He took three weeks off every summer for us to go on vacation.  We took the motorhome out for the weekend once a month.  It was plenty!  He spent more time with his family than a lot of men of his generation did, but he wasn't looking at it in comparison to other fathers, but to my other parent.  Well, of course she spent more time with me, since she didn't have an outside job!  I never felt like she was a better parent/he was less of one because of that; if I made a list of the 50 best and worst things about each of them as parents, working/being home wouldn't appear on either one's pro or con list. 

Circumstances limit our choices, but we still have them.  The attitude about it all and how the time is spent mean a lot more to a kid than the amount of time.  "You were never around because you chose not to be" is a completely different experience than "I know we both wish you could have been around more" and thus yields a completely different dynamic between parent and adult child.

I had a similar experience with my own Dad.  He was home like clockwork every evening because he didn't have the sort of jobs that kept him late every night.  He worked for the US Army Reserve after several stints in active duty all the way through my childhood and only retired from that in the early '70s, when he went to work for a non-profit organization.  So he never made much money but he was definitely around when it counted.  Of course he had to go away for two weeks every few months with the Army Reserve, and he did work a half day on Saturdays at the non-profit for a few years, but I never felt like he wasn't around enough.  Ironically he was away with the Reserve out in NJ when I was born.  I came a couple of weeks early and he didn't have enough time to make it back from the base to be there in time for my arrival.  My mother never regretted that, though.  Both were WWII veterans and took their service very seriously.  I guess they brought me up to value that as well because I never questioned it when he went away.  I was always very proud of my Dad.  OK, I'm getting choked up now so I'll stop...

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2 minutes ago, madmax said:

Even if they're all in the same network, under the same insurance plan, they never seem to have the list of medications that you gave to the doctor who referred you to the new doctor.

On the other hand, the group most of my docs belong to NEVER delete a med you may have taken in the past. So even though I'm no longer taking it, it's still listed there. It's so stupid. I give them an updated list every time I go to the doc and they still won't delete the old stuff - even the recalled stuff, like Zantac.

Pets: I can't imagine my life without cats. Right now, Stella's snug up against me in the recliner, trying to ignore the fireworks outside.  But... I think Stella and Bosco will be my last cats. Chances are any new cats will outlive me and I don't want that to happen.

Women & Finances: As my brother ages, he's getting less mentally astute. He's handled the family finances the entire 52 years they've been married. SIL told me a few years ago that she's gonna take over the finances while he's still around to tell her what's going on. She doesn't want to be one of those widows who knows nothing.  She hasn't mentioned it since - I wonder if Joe ever relinquished control.  He's SO "old fashioned," he still pays all his bills by check & mails them. (I write two checks in 3 years - one for each of the cats' rabies registration. I do everything else online.) 

My childhood family was lower middle-class with Dad being the sole breadwinner. He was a local truck driver - never did long-distance driving - and was home every evening. He sometimes managed to have a delivery somewhat close to home near lunchtime, so he'd come home for lunch occasionally, but those were the only times he was home during the weekdays. He always had weekends off, but he was rarely available to attend school events that mostly happened during the day. I never felt neglected - he was at work & couldn't come to a play. Mom, on the other hand, was a relentless PTA mom.  The high school I attended did not have a PTA and I was SO glad of that.  She had ended up being President of every PTA of every school I attended until then. Being the "stay at home" Mom, she was always available to drive or chaperone field trips. As I said... relentless.  Bwaahahahaha.

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2 hours ago, madmax said:

I have a friend who is about 60 years old.  No credit in her name.  Everything is in her husband's name.  They had some financial issues in the past, but have since cleared things up.  I have been trying to get thru to her that she needs some credit, even if it's just a little $1,000 limit card, in her name.  Something happens to her husband, she's definitely gonna be up the creek.

That is just scary.

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16 hours ago, susannah said:

That's a funny story. There are ads on now where a father is changing a poopy diaper and act a bit like they deserve a medal for braving such a horrible task. Newsflash for them, mothers and grandmothers don't enjoy it one bit more. I would hope your grandmother told your dad that, and she shouldn't have done it for him!

That reminds me of a Monk episode where he was taking care of a very young child who was a potential witness to a murder and he called 911 when the kid pooped his diaper.

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From the annoying thread, the continuation of my first world problem of fruit fly infestation:

I've tried the cider vinegar/dish soap trick, among other things. So far, the best thing that's worked is the spider in the bathroom. His/her web has caught a bunch of 'em.  If I could only get the spider to move to the kitchen, where the most of them are!

The "Terro" traps seem to work and they smell strongly of vinegar. I've run out of their solution, so I suppose I'll try that vinegar/soap thing again and put it inside the commercial traps.  The Raid traps aren't worth the space they take up.

Wish me luck.

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25 minutes ago, Prevailing Wind said:

From the annoying thread, the continuation of my first world problem of fruit fly infestation:

I've tried the cider vinegar/dish soap trick, among other things. So far, the best thing that's worked is the spider in the bathroom. His/her web has caught a bunch of 'em.  If I could only get the spider to move to the kitchen, where the most of them are!

The "Terro" traps seem to work and they smell strongly of vinegar. I've run out of their solution, so I suppose I'll try that vinegar/soap thing again and put it inside the commercial traps.  The Raid traps aren't worth the space they take up.

I've tried traps, not much success. The only thing that I've found that helps is fly paper strips hanging from the ceiling. I put them near a light source in the room. We get houseflies as well as the fruit flies and the best thing for those is yelling at everyone to shut the d**n door, they're letting the flies in.

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I have no problem with the "sky raisin" type of housefly. Stella can knock 'em out of the air with one blow  (and then, to my dismay, eats them.)  Cats are really good for vermin control unless the flies are too small.  I have noticed many dead fruit fly bodies in the globes of the ceiling fixtures. I've tried leaving the lights on to lure them... but they're STILL here.

 

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40 minutes ago, Prevailing Wind said:

I have no problem with the "sky raisin" type of housefly. Stella can knock 'em out of the air with one blow  (and then, to my dismay, eats them.)  Cats are really good for vermin control unless the flies are too small.  I have noticed many dead fruit fly bodies in the globes of the ceiling fixtures. I've tried leaving the lights on to lure them... but they're STILL here.

 

I had a cat that was addicted to moths. We used lay odds on how quick she would get 'em.

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2 hours ago, Prevailing Wind said:

From the annoying thread, the continuation of my first world problem of fruit fly infestation:

I've tried the cider vinegar/dish soap trick, among other things. So far, the best thing that's worked is the spider in the bathroom. His/her web has caught a bunch of 'em.  If I could only get the spider to move to the kitchen, where the most of them are!

The "Terro" traps seem to work and they smell strongly of vinegar. I've run out of their solution, so I suppose I'll try that vinegar/soap thing again and put it inside the commercial traps.  The Raid traps aren't worth the space they take up.

Wish me luck.

I've been having gnat problems. They are so annoying and in front of my face.

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10 hours ago, Prevailing Wind said:

From the annoying thread, the continuation of my first world problem of fruit fly infestation:

I don't think any insect infestation is a "first world" problem. It's a health issue.

On 7/1/2021 at 1:09 PM, icemiser69 said:

I think my mom has a few of those.  They are really nice.

I used to collect Pocket Dragons.  They were cute.

I checked those out. They are cute!!

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The gnats, or fruit flies might have been drain flies.  

 

My first flying story is humiliating.   My local airport is big, but only has one commercial gate.    I set off the sensors, I had metal in my shoe soles, but didn't realize it.    So, I could either get patted down and wanded right next to the gate, in a see through booth, or opt for another room, for speed I opted for the booth by the gate.    The people who worked at the military post where I did had to fly for official travel through that airport too.     So as I was getting wanded, and patted down, tons of the other passengers were going through the gate, and they would glance over where I was.     Some would do a double take, and wave, or elbow the guy next to them, and some would recognize me, and then look away.    The TSA lady actually asked me if I knew everyone on the flight, and it was about 90%. 

The second story is about food on planes.   I was flying out of Atlanta, and it was a big plane, just the one size down from a 747, and packed.    I recognized a loud, obnoxious voice of a man I used to work with a long time ago.    So I buried my face in one of those in-flight magazines, and just peeked around the edges, because I was terrified that I would end up with him on my row.   

 He waltzed by with a giant bag from one of the fast food places in the terminal (Atlanta), that was after the security lines.     The entire plane reeked of his burgers, and other stuff.    He was a bunch of rows behind me, and you could hear him yakking constantly.      About an hour later, one of his seatmates came forward, and complained to the flight attendant about him annoying everyone, so he finally quieted down.     

When we landed at the destination, I knew I wasn't that far ahead of him, and that airport used the big people movers to take you to the main terminal, so I rushed as much as I could to make sure I was on a carrier in front of him.   I barely made it, and you never saw anyone move faster to the baggage claim, and leave the airport.   Of all of the people to be on the same plane with, he was one of the most irritating.  

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On 7/6/2021 at 6:42 AM, Bruinsfan said:

My parents had an infestation of those tiny gnats/flies, and after months of trying the vinegar traps, bug bombs, and such, the only thing that actually worked was digging up their kitchen floor and replacing the compromised underground pipe that they were getting in through.

There is a plant they seem to like outside my front door. I open the door and in they come. Then I read why they get in your face. Apparently they like your eye secretions and now I'm so grossed out.

I had the shots back in January. The first shot didn't hurt right away but by the next day I thought my arm was going to fall off.  I had a bit of a fever and there was a "bullseye" at the injection sight.  The whole area was VERY tender and the skin felt like a second degree sunburn. Couldn't even have clothes touch it. Was like that for about 3 days. I got the second shot 3 weeks later and none of that happened. 

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Just now, icemiser69 said:

I have never had shingles.  I did have a horrible, absolutely horrible, case of the chicken pox when I was sixteen or seventeen.  I do have a friend who has had shingles and her doctor told her that it is possible to get shingles more than once..  Even though she has had shingles, she did get both of her shingles shots after that.

I just have this little spot on my back, smaller than dime. It only flares up when I'm stressed.

On 7/7/2021 at 8:50 AM, ABay said:

People still shop at malls?

 

3 hours ago, Moose135 said:

Not really since Covid, but before that, yes.

(From discussion in the Favorites thread)

I'm still not doing much in-person shopping other than groceries, but in non-pandemic times, yes, I still went to the mall.  Not to "go to the mall" like when I was a teenager, wandering around for hours, having a snack, going in and out of stores.  But go to the mall because that's where a store I want something from is?  Maybe pop into another store I like in the same section of the mall to see if anything strikes my fancy since I'm here anyway?  Yes.

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32 minutes ago, Bastet said:

 

(From discussion in the Favorites thread)

I'm still not doing much in-person shopping other than groceries, but in non-pandemic times, yes, I still went to the mall.  Not to "go to the mall" like when I was a teenager, wandering around for hours, having a snack, going in and out of stores.  But go to the mall because that's where a store I want something from is?  Maybe pop into another store I like in the same section of the mall to see if anything strikes my fancy since I'm here anyway?  Yes.

Before the internet, I had been catalog shopping since the late seventies when I got my first checking account. There used to be an order form in the catalog where you wrote in the item number, size, color and figured the shipping and tax (if applicable) and you sent a check. My favorites were the French Boot Shop in NYC and Victoria's Secret (don't snicker, they had the best jeans). Later, after I married, it was for home furnishings like The Pottery Barn and doo dads from Lillian Vernon. Oh, and seed and bulb catalogs.

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I go to the mall because of a particular store - LensCrafters for prescription glasses (which I won't need after Sept. 2nd because I'm having my second cataract surgery - so weird not to be wearing glasses since I've worn them since 4th grade (60 years) and once I was fully Covid vaccinated, I went to the Apple store to get a new iPad - I wanted them to transfer everything from my old to new.

I've got to get the shingles shots. My husband got his first, and they do make you wait awhile for the second. 

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I worked at our mall here in town a few years ago-first at the bookstore that was in there, and then I did a temp job at a tax place that was in there as well. There were still customers, but yeah, as time went on and more of the stores left they started to dwindle away. Now the place has been turned into a recreation center, so... 

My mom got both of her shingles shots last year and each one knocked her out pretty good for a day or two. She said those hit her harder than either Covid shot did. 

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2 hours ago, Bastet said:

 

(From discussion in the Favorites thread)

I'm still not doing much in-person shopping other than groceries, but in non-pandemic times, yes, I still went to the mall.  Not to "go to the mall" like when I was a teenager, wandering around for hours, having a snack, going in and out of stores.  But go to the mall because that's where a store I want something from is?  Maybe pop into another store I like in the same section of the mall to see if anything strikes my fancy since I'm here anyway?  Yes.

One of my jobs is at a mall, and people definitely shop at malls, although this seems to be how they do it. I don't know that kids hang out at the mall like they did back at the day (although my mall isn't the one in the area to do that at, since there is a bigger one not far away), but people definitely go to the mall as an outing.

"They" say that zoomers are going to bring back mall shopping, but who knows.

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31 minutes ago, nokat said:

I hope that's not true. They tend to show up around your waist. I had only three blisters show up on my waist and it was so painful.

You can get the shingles vax if you have had the shingles.  You can't get the shingles vax if you currently have an outbreak of shingles.  I wish mine had shown up on my waist!  Or really, anywhere except my face.  The entire right side of my head hurt to the touch, but I only had a few blisters at my temple.

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